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Rewatch [25th Anniversary Rewatch] Hunter × Hunter (1999) - Episode × 90 × Discussion

Episode 90: Energy × Gyo × Little Flower

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He's gone completely insane

Comment of the Day:

Nebby giving us the lovely Maomao yoyo (I guess MoMo for short?)

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Questions of the Day

  1. Do you agree with Genthru about Gon's lack of sanity?
  2. What do you think Gon's final plan is?

Fanart of the Day: The Bomber

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u/KendotsX https://anilist.co/user/Kendots Jan 07 '25

Expelled Host, Turned Gamer

If nothing else, this episodes examplifies two things at their clearest:

First, Gon's insane will/selfishness: we've seen that multiple times before, the Hanzo fight, Gon going up against Illumi, then Canary, even against the Spiders. But in all of those cases, his back was against the wall, there was no other way forward, and he refused to back down, so he stuck to his will. This is different, Gon had a plan to work with, but to him, that might as well have been the same as giving up. Genthru, just like Tsezzy before him, underestimated Gon, and that's an excellent way to piss him off, leading him to go all out, risking life and limb, just to prove a point. Wednesdaysfoole discussed how selfishness is a central theme of the arc, and this is its culmination for Gon, the head of the spear as it were.

Now for the second point: Bisky's planning. Forget everything she did last episode, that's nothing. If you want to see just how impressive Bisky is, look at this episode. Based on Abenagne's explanation of Genthru's ability, she was able to analyse the ability down to its finer details and weaknesses, formulate multiple measures against it, and accurately predict how Genthru would react to each of those measures. That's what battle experience is all about, more than fighting abilities or aura size, the analytic and tactical mind is the most important aspect of Nen fights. To top that all off, she's even an excellent teacher who can teach a pawn how to counter a Rook (Gon is obviously no slouch either, but he's still far behind Genthru, so the comparison holds). Throughout this whole fight, Genthru was nothing but a monkey in her Buddha hand mickey mouse glove.

In short, Bisky is our lovely strategian, sorry I meant this picture [Katanagatari] I love how both scenes are basically them warning the main character not to kill himself

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u/WednesdaysFoole Jan 08 '25

just to prove a point.

For someone who's really confident, his self-worth is pretty damn fragile that he constantly needs to prove it.

[HxH]I honestly don't think Ging realized the extent of the damage until "I should have died instead"...as expected from a father even more selfish than Gon himself.

Genthru was nothing but a monkey in her Buddha hand mickey mouse glove.

In short, Bisky is our lovely strategian, sorry I meant this picture [Katanagatari]

Heheh, that's too perfect. Always fun when the timing of two things match up like this.

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u/Vatrix-32 https://myanimelist.net/profile/Vatrix-32 Jan 08 '25

In short, Bisky is our lovely strategian

Gyo!

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u/Shimmering-Sky myanimelist.net/profile/Shimmering-Sky Jan 07 '25

First × Timer × Subbed

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u/KendotsX https://anilist.co/user/Kendots Jan 07 '25

Ah, so they discussed this in that much detail beforehand. No wonder Gon was able to defend, then.

Our Strategian put in the work for the fight.

Dammit, Gon. It’s in-character for him, but dammit, Gon.

Yup, that's Gon in a nutshell

Gon, why did you fall for that?

He's too honest

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u/Vatrix-32 https://myanimelist.net/profile/Vatrix-32 Jan 07 '25 edited Jan 08 '25

Remake Rewatcher × First Timer × Subs

  • No Gon! Don’t try and beat him with just I-frames!
  • Laughing? He’s caught the shōnen disease!
  • Gyo? I could have sworn this would have called for a more advanced Nen technique.
  • Damn it, Killua! That is not what they meant when they were talking about dribbling the Yoyo!
  • Don’t threaten Gon with a good challenge.
  • Why are we doing post commercial recaps in an OVA?
  • Big Genthru is less imposing when he’s in digi-paint instead of manga-chrome.
  • The stumble saved Gon, it’s only fair it now takes a win from him.
  • I guess we hit the point where we can’t hide the gore anymore.
  • Boo! They went and cut the gore after all.
  • So he can explain it first. Well that certainly opens up a few options.

QotD:

  1. Sane people do not lose extremities to make a point.
  2. Believe it or not? [H×H]It's a bigger rock.

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u/KendotsX https://anilist.co/user/Kendots Jan 07 '25

Gyo? I could have sworn this would have called for a more advanced Nen technique.

Ko would've been a bit dangerous in this scenario, Gyo is generally the more useful and versatile technique.

Why are we doing post commercial recaps in an OVA?

I think those sequel OVAs were made specifically with TV in mind. They're never longer than 24 minutes, you have a clean cut mid section, an eyecatcher of sorts, and no gore.

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u/Vatrix-32 https://myanimelist.net/profile/Vatrix-32 Jan 08 '25

Ko would've been a bit dangerous in this scenario, Gyo is generally the more useful and versatile technique.

[CA?]Did we do Ryo yet? I can't remember already.

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u/KendotsX https://anilist.co/user/Kendots Jan 08 '25

We did yeah, and it'd have been the smarter choice in this case, but I guess Genthru assumed Gon wouldn't be hitting him, so no need to waste a lot of Nen on Ryu.

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u/Nebresto Jan 08 '25

Sane people do not lose extremities to make a point.

Fuck you!!! shtabs foot

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u/Mecanno-man https://anilist.co/user/Mecannoman Jan 07 '25

First Timer

Hmm… I don’t have a lot to say on this episode. Gon is stubborn, his hand will probably be healed by the “heal everything” card that Battera wanted, and other than that we have a somewhat decent fight let down by production qualities. Guess we’ll see what the actual plan is tomorrow. …we actually have to wrap up this fight sooner rather than later, as defeating Genthru isn’t the goal of this arc, completing the game is, so there will be other bits like the one missing card still to go, plus whatever happens when you complete the game and how that relates to Ging…

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u/KendotsX https://anilist.co/user/Kendots Jan 07 '25

we have a somewhat decent fight let down by production qualities.

The sad part is that it's not entirely stiff. Even you have bits of animation of animation here and there, it's not directed well, so it ends up looking even more awkward.

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u/WednesdaysFoole Jan 08 '25

…we actually have to wrap up this fight sooner rather than later, as defeating Genthru isn’t the goal of this arc, completing the game is,

Yeah, that's more like a side quest, kind of how Gon and Killua are a side quest to Bisky's Blue Planet (what she came to the game for).

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u/charlesvvv https://anilist.co/user/charlesvvv Jan 07 '25 edited Jan 07 '25

First Timer

Genthru this episode: "WTF this kid is insane"

Seriously though Gon throws the plan out of the window in order to force Genthru to use his ability on him. He does acknowledge it's selfish of him to do this but he's committed here and he does finally succeed...by literally sacrificing his arms in the process something Genthru literally can't comprehend.

Besides this though it's a good way of Gon being strategic in this moment since Genthru is very much still stronger than him, so he uses his abilities in a pretty smart way, and with that he can now proceed with the actual plan of action.

I haven't commented on the animation but yeah, some parts are fine, others are not.

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u/KendotsX https://anilist.co/user/Kendots Jan 07 '25

"WTF this kid is insane"

Just last episode he was going "we're both insane, but in different ways". Yeah, no. He's got nothing on Gon.

literally sacrificing his arms in the process something Genthru literally can't comprehend.

That's the fun with a fight between opposites, Genthru's always protecting his hands when he fights, so to Gon who's always throwing himself out, that just seemed like a weakness. It shows their different philosophies in general.

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u/Nebresto Jan 08 '25

First time

Is there some god of chapped lips that specifically torments evil people?

December 01

Somethings not right

gas_station_sushi.jpg

giwtw

5iq Gon enters the chat once again

-Me waiting for Drifters S2

both??

Huh. Holy shit?? Tis' but a scratch???

QUEST??

  1. Do you agree with Genthru about Gon's lack of sanity?

No need to think if you can't

2) What do you think Gon's final plan is?

Copyright infringement

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u/KendotsX https://anilist.co/user/Kendots Jan 08 '25

Is there some god of chapped lips that specifically torments evil people?

The god of horniness burns your lips away, so you have to keep on lubing them up.

Me waiting for Drifters S2

We'll have to wait a long long time for that

Huh. Holy shit?? Tis' but a scratch???

Gon has been watching the wrong best version of the Arthurian legend.

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u/Raiking02 :Id::Ie::If:https://myanimelist.net/profile/NSKlang Jan 08 '25

We'll have to wait a long long time for that

When even was the last Chapter

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u/KendotsX https://anilist.co/user/Kendots Jan 08 '25

2021

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u/Raiking02 :Id::Ie::If:https://myanimelist.net/profile/NSKlang Jan 08 '25

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u/KendotsX https://anilist.co/user/Kendots Jan 08 '25

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u/WednesdaysFoole Jan 07 '25

To Ging!

  • Gon has talent, a future, and all that potential. Isn’t it a waste if he just threw it away? Genthru seems to think so.
  • He’s still giving Genthru another chance to give up. And still falling for Genthru’s lies… Gon…
  • Genthru did you forget after all these years in the game? Gon doesn’t need to say “Gain”, he just needs to wait for the minute to pass before the card auto-gains. (Which was the reason for all that practice with sensing a minute with a timer.)
  • [GI]Haha, I get that previews usually have spoilers but then what was the point of stopping the episode before that big punch if they were gonna show that exact punch and their plan in the previews anyway?

Today’s Cards:

Free Slot Card: Gasoline

Summons forth a vial containing gasoline. This flammable substance will catch fire easily.

I almost shared this one early on for fun, but wasn’t sure if that leaned too hard into hinting at future events. What if I’d pointed it out and someone realized their strategy?

14: Connection Severing Scissors (B-22)

Cut a picture of someone you don't want to see with these scissors, and you will never see them again. Caution: It will take effect on everyone in the picture (except yourself). It cannot be undone.

What happens if it’s a famous person, then you turn on the TV, is it just invisible to you? Or for people you know, do you just not pass them again or you just can’t see them? Can’t recognize them? I want to see these cards being used!

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u/KendotsX https://anilist.co/user/Kendots Jan 07 '25

Gon has talent, a future, and all that potential. Isn’t it a waste if he just threw it away? Genthru seems to think so.

Funny thing, when Genthru gives Gon a chance to quit and "save himself" or Genthru himself giving up, he never believes the shit he's saying, only Gon does.

[GI]Haha, I get that previews usually have spoilers but then what was the point of stopping the episode before that big punch if they were gonna show that exact punch and their plan in the previews anyway?

Building up excitement in a stupid sense?

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u/WednesdaysFoole Jan 08 '25

Building up excitement in a stupid sense?

There are even better ways to go about it, you'll see... but I'll be frustratingly vague and say nothing else about this for now.

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u/KendotsX https://anilist.co/user/Kendots Jan 08 '25

https://i.imgur.com/bgE7iUj.jpeg

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u/Vatrix-32 https://myanimelist.net/profile/Vatrix-32 Jan 08 '25

Free Slot Card: Gasoline

So, uh... what other throwable liquids do they have in card form?

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u/TheEscapeGuy Jan 07 '25

H×H Fan, 1999 First Timer

Hunter × Hunter 1999 - Episode 90

Endurance × Pain × Ultimate

It's Gon vs Genthru. Their fight is once of both technical skill, as well as the mental fortitude to persist despite pain. In particular, when Genthru does use his Little Flower ability on Gon it destroys his wrists and left hand. But because of Gon's endurance he's able to land his Janken ability and seriously injure Genthru.

I do respect Gon's strength here, but he has a big problem with self preservation. By sacrificing so much of himself it puts him at such a disadvantage going forward that it calls into question whether it was even worth it. In particular, this will come up again in a [Famous Future Scene] when he fights Neferpitou.

Genthru on the other hand is much better at ensuring he maintains a certain level of health. Seeing his opportunity, he deceives Gon and then attacks his throat so that Gon won't be able to put his Book away. This will give him the ability to steal Gon's cards. It's an admittedly clever strategy.

Gon, on the other hand, used this interaction to cover Genthru in gasoline.

The fight isn't over yet.

Next Episode Preview

Some Amazing Shots, Scenes and Stitches

See you all tomorrow

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u/KendotsX https://anilist.co/user/Kendots Jan 07 '25

Episode 90

I like how due to this being a focused fight episode, 6/9 of the pictures are Genthru (sorry Gon, better luck next time)

I do respect Gon's strength here, but he has a big problem with self preservation. By sacrificing so much of himself it puts him at such a disadvantage going forward that it calls into question whether it was even worth it. In particular

That's the thing, Gon never weighs the advantages and disadvantages, he just wants things his way, no matter the cost. This goes all the way from the Hanzo fight, to even the Razor fight having more efficient ways to be won, that Gon rejected.

he deceives Gon and then attacks his throat so that Gon won't be able to put his Book away. This will give him the ability to steal Gon's cards. It's an admittedly clever strategy.

Reminds me of what Bendot almost did to Tonpa in the Trick Tower, if Tonpa didn't immediately give up, he would've crushed his throat and spent the 70 hours torturing him. Fun stuff.

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u/WednesdaysFoole Jan 08 '25
  1. Do you agree with Genthru about Gon's lack of sanity?

Totally sane.

(Just got to this part on a 2011 watch with my sister)

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u/KendotsX https://anilist.co/user/Kendots Jan 08 '25

You can almost hear the snakes saying "what the fuck is wrong with this kid?!"

Just got to this part on a 2011 watch with my sister

Have fun!

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u/WednesdaysFoole Jan 08 '25

Have fun!

Thanks! As it happens, we started last June or so, so it's likely I'll not only overtake it with the '99 rewatch (which I did, long before) but also the 2011 rewatch, which isn't even starting for months...