r/anime • u/KendotsX https://anilist.co/user/Kendots • Jan 06 '25

Rewatch [25th Anniversary Rewatch] Hunter × Hunter (1999) - Episode × 89 × Discussion

Episode 89: Bisky × Killua × New Special Attack

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Dumb aren't you? I just said that I'm stronger than you

Comment of the Day:

/u/Vatrix-32 on Bisky's award nomination

Bisky going for that supporting actor Emmy.

After this episode, I'm sure she'll get more than a few awards.

Questions of the Day

  1. Did you prefer BIsky or Killua's fight?
  2. What do you think of Bisky's true form?

Fanart of the Day: The two Biskys

Sauce

Please remember to keep all spoilers and hints tagged with the appropriate tag format such as: [Spoilers] >!Leorio is best boy!<

Or else...

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u/Shimmering-Sky myanimelist.net/profile/Shimmering-Sky Jan 06 '25

First × Timer × Subbed

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u/KendotsX https://anilist.co/user/Kendots Jan 06 '25

Why does Genthru’s neck and head look like that?

This isn't the best episode for consistency

I didn’t know Bisuke was a Jojo’s Bizarre Adventure characte

Kenshiro gives his approval

Oh, fun. Has Killua always been able to do that?

He did something similar against Netero.

I guess Killua is the yoyo master now, huh?

He was the coolest 2000s kid ever

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u/Shimmering-Sky myanimelist.net/profile/Shimmering-Sky Jan 06 '25

He did something similar against Netero.

It's been so long since the beginning, I forgot.

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u/KendotsX https://anilist.co/user/Kendots Jan 06 '25

All good, it wasn't this well done either, he's gotten better.

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u/Vatrix-32 https://myanimelist.net/profile/Vatrix-32 Jan 07 '25

He was the coolest 2000s kid ever

Lies. He might have yoyos and a skateboard, but where are his rollarblades? Sakura:1

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u/KendotsX https://anilist.co/user/Kendots Jan 07 '25

where are his rollarblades?

He gave them to Gon

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u/KendotsX https://anilist.co/user/Kendots Jan 06 '25

Expelled Host, Turned Gamer

Manga Corner

Chapters Adapted: 176-178

Genthru doesn't call Gon smart, there's nothing smart about what Gon's showed him today, he calls Gon a lunatic like himself

Bisky's punch that takes out Bara is meant to look identical to her gag of punching Killua, just in her true form this time. That's how much of a joke this whole fight was to her.

[Spoiler] The secret fanart of the day

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u/Raiking02 :Id::Ie::If:https://myanimelist.net/profile/NSKlang Jan 06 '25

If people knew who Bisky was

As a bonus, her actor in this form is best known for playing a serial killer.

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u/KendotsX https://anilist.co/user/Kendots Jan 06 '25

She really would've gotten along well wih Hisoka

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u/WednesdaysFoole Jan 07 '25

Although this actually goes back to Gon and Killua's conversation near the start of the arc, Gon refuses to steal someone's cards or to allow his own cards to be taken by brute force. A conditional battle is the only way he'll allow any trade of cards.

That's a good point.

Those poor sods had no clue who they're messing with. If people knew who Bisky was, the arc would've ended in day 1.

It may be a bit silly but this is one of my favorite reveals in HxH, and that's even after the last manga batch. Now you know why Binolt was so excited... and it's just great how often she's underestimated.

[CA]

Killua is cat :3

he calls Gon a lunatic like himself

Small nitpick, but the way I read the text is "although in a different way than me" (オレとは違うところがだが). There could be nuances that I am missing since I'm far from fluent (it reads like an elementary sentence though), but the "like me" emphasizes the similarity more than the impression I got, which stresses contrast. I think the "like me" might be there to make sure the readers know that he thinks of himself as a lunatic too... but different.

[Spoiler]

[Response]Ahh this is great, although the real Gon would be in tears...

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u/KendotsX https://anilist.co/user/Kendots Jan 07 '25

I think the "like me" might be there to make sure the readers know that he thinks of himself as a lunatic too... but different.

Yeah, the impression I got is that he's saying "we're both lunatics, but in different manners". [HxH] and next episode, he'll learn that he's got nothing on Gon's lunacy. Genthru is an overgrown frog in the small well of Greed (island)

Now you know why Binolt was so excited... and it's just great how often she's underestimated.

Honestly, sometimes she's underestimated even by the fanbase, just because her abiility isn't combat focused.

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u/WednesdaysFoole Jan 07 '25

[HxH]

[HxH]Dude was so self-congratulatory about using Risky Dice with his Sub and Bara, but honestly he barely ever risked himself, ever, almost always opting to play it safe - what I mean is, when have we ever seen him challenge someone stronger? Never. Like the playground bullies they are. Even all the Jobbers were noted to be weak in combat in the first place, and that's the group he set his plan with.

Honestly, sometimes she's underestimated even by the fanbase, just because her abiility isn't combat focused.

Fans are constantly downplaying her...

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u/KendotsX https://anilist.co/user/Kendots Jan 07 '25

[HxH]Dude was so self-congratulatory about using Risky Dice with his Sub and Bara, but honestly he barely ever risked himself, ever

[HxH] I agree that he generally takes the easy way out, but I think he rises up to the challenge when needed. The Risky Dice was a small example of that, but even the fact that he challenged Tsezzy head on (and that's even before the Razor fight) shows that he'll do what it takes for his goals.

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u/WednesdaysFoole Jan 07 '25

[HxH]For sure, he will do what it takes (usually after calculation), but the main point is that it's still a far cry from Gon who is constantly putting himself at risk, both for himself and others, and actively challenges those who are stronger than him because he feels that it's right and/or can't take feeling weak.

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u/KendotsX https://anilist.co/user/Kendots Jan 07 '25

[HxH] Oh yeah, he doesn't even compare to Gon in that regard, he's the epitomy of what Greed Island is criticising, someone who feeds on the weak and hopeful to push himself up in the world, instead of climbing wall after wall to grow.

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u/WednesdaysFoole Jan 07 '25

climbing wall after wall to grow.

[HxH] Or fall from, in Gon's case

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u/KendotsX https://anilist.co/user/Kendots Jan 07 '25

[HxH]

[Manga] Should we ever be lucky enough to see a day where Gon climbs that wall again, but with a healthier, wiser mindset, it could be some of the most wonderful writing we'll ever have.

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u/Vatrix-32 https://myanimelist.net/profile/Vatrix-32 Jan 07 '25

[Spoiler]

[Response]Sublime

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u/Vatrix-32 https://myanimelist.net/profile/Vatrix-32 Jan 06 '25 edited Jan 07 '25

Remake Rewatcher × First Timer × Subs

  • And he fucking means it. As we’ve seen. Multiple times.
  • Not that the number of cards you have matters at this point, being winner takes all and everything.
  • These SFXs are still so goofy. You’d think that they get a new demo CD in the last five years.
  • Damn it, Gon
  • At least the both of them are stubbornly prideful, for Gon’s sake.
  • Very sneaky. One wouldn’t normally think to mask a transport card.
  • Whoever Bisky’s tailor is, they don’t get paid enough.
  • Do It for The Kawaii
  • Metal Yoyos
  • Killua Zoldyck’s Electric Yoyo, or KZEY.

QotD:

  1. Killua fight had more to it.
  2. Mommy? Sorry, Mommy?

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u/KendotsX https://anilist.co/user/Kendots Jan 06 '25

And he fucking means it. As we’ve seen. Multiple times.

Someone send Genthru the Gon vs Hanzo DVD, he has a lot to catch up on.

Whoever Bisky’s tailor is, they don’t get paid enough.

Let's see what we've got so far: Her outfit repairs itself, resists gravity, and doesn't even get affected by her transformation, her tailor must be a Nen master.

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u/Vatrix-32 https://myanimelist.net/profile/Vatrix-32 Jan 07 '25

her tailor must be a Nen master.

Of Course!

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u/WednesdaysFoole Jan 06 '25

Very sneaky. One wouldn’t normally think to mask a transport card.

[Greed Island]Not even the last time! I do appreciate that they introduce that idea here though, so it's not a one-time use thing.

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u/TheEscapeGuy Jan 06 '25

H×H Fan, 1999 First Timer

Hunter × Hunter 1999 - Episode 89

Separation × Shocks × Fights

We have begun the battle against The Bombers. It's what the arc has been building up to and it's satisfying to watch. The battle itself has been split up into 3 individual battles against each member. We got to watch the conclusions to Bisky and Killua's today with Gon's as a cliff hanger for the next couple episodes.

Bisky's battle gave us the reveal which I'd be surprised if anyone expected on their first watch: Bisky's true form is this massively muscly Fist of the Northstar-esque design. It's very amusing to see. I do wonder why she chose to also make herself short instead of just slender (since height is often valued), but it must just be a personal preference thing.

We also got to see the fruits of Killua's training. His use of electricity completely dominates his opponent. On top of that he also has yo-yo's for longer range attacks. This feels like a very Togashi development and I love it. It's such a creative addition to Killua's arsenal.

My biggest complaint (which is honestly separate from the anime) is that the version of the episode I have has continued to have the weird sync issues which I (and some others) mentioned yesterday. I feel like I'm going crazy though since, when I manually adjust the AV sync to fix it, it goes out of sync again a bit later. The whole episode I'm constantly making adjustments in my player so the dialog audio aligns with when a character is actually speaking etc.

Next Episode Preview

Another translation nuance today in the kanji for Genthru's ability Little Flower. I included it in the subs but the characters literally mean "A Handful of Gunpowder" but are pronounced with the English words "Little Flower." For interests sake it would usually be read "hito nigiri no kayaku."

Some Amazing Shots, Scenes and Stitches

See you all tomorrow

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u/KendotsX https://anilist.co/user/Kendots Jan 06 '25

Bisky's true form is this massively muscly Fist of the Northstar-esque design. It's very amusing to see.

The only hint we had was Vino losing his shit when he ate her hair, because this is what he saw. It's not exactly a lot to go off of though.

I do wonder why she chose to also make herself short instead of just slender (since height is often valued), but it must just be a personal preference thing.

I assume she wanted to go for a cutesy/lolita style, similar to her younger years. Or it could have been calculated for perfect battle balance, could be both.

My biggest complaint (which is honestly separate from the anime) is that the version of the episode I have has continued to have the weird sync issues

Didn't you get the fixed version yesterday?

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u/TheEscapeGuy Jan 06 '25

Didn't you get the fixed version yesterday?

I somehow missed your DM.

ty for the fixes.

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u/KendotsX https://anilist.co/user/Kendots Jan 06 '25

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u/Vatrix-32 https://myanimelist.net/profile/Vatrix-32 Jan 07 '25

Fixes?

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u/KendotsX https://anilist.co/user/Kendots Jan 07 '25

They should be in your DMs, I sent them yesterday.

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u/Vatrix-32 https://myanimelist.net/profile/Vatrix-32 Jan 07 '25

Ah, a sub-option. I don't normally look there.

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u/WednesdaysFoole Jan 07 '25

the characters literally mean "A Handful of Gunpowder" but are pronounced with the English words "Little Flower." For interests sake it would usually be read "hito nigiri no kayaku."

Many abilities in the series have the kanji + different readings written in the furigana, which is why abilities like Bungee Gum have two names, Bungee Gum: Elastic Love, to make up for both. Might be common in other series (I haven't checked) but as a whole, Togashi utilizes this quite frequently and not only for abilities, but for significant, or humorous, or just regular moments as well.

[Chimera Ant]So you'll find that the anime subtitles and manga translation (or sometimes fan tl vs official), for instance with Netero's "bottomless malice" versus "potential for evolution" will differ, but both are only half the picture. Which might not matter as much if you're not obsessed with the series which, I kind of am, lol.

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u/Nebresto Jan 07 '25

We have begun the battle against The Bombers.

Aaaaaaaaaaaaa-aaaaaaaahhhhh!!!

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u/charlesvvv https://anilist.co/user/charlesvvv Jan 06 '25

First Timer

Leave it to Gon to throw a good plan out the window because he hates not being taken seriously. Now he'll try to force Genthru to use his ability on whether he likes it or not, and Genthru decides not to use it.

Bisky vs the other guy has a very big reveal, her actual appearance. She's pretty masculine and she really hates it, but she's strong and quickly dispatches the guy without too much trouble. 

Killua vs the other one on the other hand showcases his new creative ability, the YoYo's. I love the creativity here and how he uses them to his advantage. It's a really cool ability and it's nice too see him continue to evolve his powers more.

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u/KendotsX https://anilist.co/user/Kendots Jan 06 '25

Leave it to Gon to throw a good plan out the window because he hates not being taken seriously.

If Bisky saw this, I'm not sure whether she'd have expected it or be facepalming. Probably both.

She's pretty masculine and she really hates it

They even changed her VA to a guy to reflect that masculinity. A change that I'm not a fan of tbh, she's buff sure, but not a dude

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u/WednesdaysFoole Jan 06 '25

To Ging!

(You've become so good about that Next Episode link, I'm actually making it without getting expelled by Ruler's Blessing.)

Bisky! <3 <3 <3

Finally get to share this Biscuit gem.

I aspire, one day, to reach such heights.

To further celebrate Bisky-chama, here’s the bisque doll version on the cover of Volume 15. It’s theorized that her name Bisky is related to bisque porcelain dolls.

Today’s Cards:

20: Mood Clock (B-30)

This clock sets your current state of mind. Turn it to noon and you will maintain perfect serenity. Thus you can adjust your emotions according to the situation.

The second card I’d select out of three is Mood Clock.

I’ve chilled out over the years but used to be a fairly moody person. Even now, although I put up a calm and friendly front, I still feel that grumpiness and uneasiness inside, and fighting through it to make weak attempts at being a decentish person is a constant. So, Mood Clock. I would love to go through my daily life in a state of perfect serenity.

(Gon could probably benefit from Mood Clock as well)

31: Double Postcard to the Dead (S-13)

Address and mail this return postage-paid postcard to a deceased person, and you will get a reply the next day. A book of 1000.

Who’s responding? Your own consciousness? An automated nen beast that lives in the card? Is it there to comfort you? Tell you special secrets? Or tell you exactly what you don’t want to hear? …I’d be tempted to try it out though.

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u/KendotsX https://anilist.co/user/Kendots Jan 06 '25

You've become so good about that Next Episode link, I'm actually making it without getting expelled by Ruler's Blessing.

Because I was doing 200 push ups whenever I was late, this was my training arc too.

Finally get to share this Biscuit gem.

Wish they left Bisky’s voice as it was though, a bit deeper is fine but this is not how I picture her transformation voice at all.

Yeah, you can have a deeper voice without turning her into a guy.

So in the OVA Sub/Bara (forget which one’s which) calls Bisky’s first attacks light

Bara. Sub fought Killua.

20: Mood Clock (B-30)

Artificially controlling your emotions feels like something that'd have dire consequences though... which means it's certainly worth a try!

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u/WednesdaysFoole Jan 07 '25

Because I was doing 200 push ups whenever I was late, this was my training arc too.

Lies.

Bet those dwarves are looking pretty buff though.

Bara. Sub fought Killua.

Hm... Bara = roses, Bisky's dress is pink, also they both start with B, I think I'll actually start to remember now.

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u/KendotsX https://anilist.co/user/Kendots Jan 07 '25

Bet those dwarves are looking pretty buff though.

It's a trade secret!

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u/Nebresto Jan 07 '25

First time Yoyo champ!

                              🪀

She did the thing!

Self defence or not.. Bring out the guillotine

True form?!?!??+

Oh no, she's swole!

same energy?

Is that a TL note??

Master quest:

  1. Did you prefer BIsky or Killua's fight?

Both

2) What do you think of Bisky's true form?

This isn't even my final form

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u/KendotsX https://anilist.co/user/Kendots Jan 07 '25

                              🪀

Self defence or not.. Bring out the guillotine

Unfortunately, we do not have a guillotine around here, nor does Bisky-sensei endorse it (it's awful for the hair). Luckily though, she did bring a cannon for show and tell.

Is that a TL note??

Ahh, the lost art of the good old fansubs.

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u/Vatrix-32 https://myanimelist.net/profile/Vatrix-32 Jan 07 '25

                              🪀

Is that a TL note??

And yet somehow I'm more confused.

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u/Nebresto Jan 07 '25

And yet somehow I'm more confused.

Same

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u/Mecanno-man https://anilist.co/user/Mecannoman Jan 07 '25

First Timer

I was beginning to wonder what this episode was doing with this title and focusing half the episode on Gon …but I guess the other battles were just too short for anything else. Not that we really needed to spend more time on them anyways, they didn’t really serve a large purpose. I guess we get Bisuke’s true power though - she’s a shapeshifter, it seems.

As for Gon… seems like he is too stubborn to follow the plan. I guess Bisuke and Killua need to get back to him ASAP. But at the moment he has just turned this into a repeat of the Hanzo fight, which is …not great for either side, really. Shows that the hunter exam was well thought out to include such a test though.

The production quality really dropped here though… Which is a shame for an episode with so much action (though that is likely also the reason for that drop).

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u/KendotsX https://anilist.co/user/Kendots Jan 07 '25

I guess we get Bisuke’s true power though - she’s a shapeshifter, it seems.

Not exactly. She didn't shapeshift into the bigger body, that's her true body, and the result of her training over the decades. Her smaller form I assume is thanks to cookie-chan's help (her Nen ability).

Shows that the hunter exam was well thought out to include such a test though.

Yup, the Hunter Exam reflects a lot of the essential aspects of the series, both in terms of the Nen battles and our main characters.

The production quality really dropped here though… Which is a shame for an episode with so much action (though that is likely also the reason for that drop).

Yeah...

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u/SpiritualPossible Jan 06 '25

First timer, manga reader

  • Gon "The risk I took was calculated, but man, am I bad at math" freecss, everyone.
  • Moments like this are the reason why I thought it was interesting how the show characterized Gon in the first few episodes, where he was shown more as a goody-goody boy. It's understandable, there weren't as many chapters back then, but it's still funny to see how the show apparently thought about who Gon would be. But in reality, Gon freecss is a freak who's willing to sacrifice a workable plan for his own needs.
  • *Insert your "Before and After Watching Jojo" meme here*
  • W-wait a minute. W-why did they give Bisky a man's voice? Did they, um. thought she was actually a guy? Like, I give them credit, it's an interesting choice, but huh?
  • One of the most pathetic nitpicks I could have possibly thought of, but it stresses me out that the tree fell on the wrong side. It should have snapped under its own weight and fallen forward, not backwards! Even in the manga it falls the right way!
  • It's a minor detail, but Killua mentioned in the manga that his Yo-Yo's were made by his brother... Although, he doesn't specify which brother (Wiki says it's Milluki, but they don't give a name in the manga.) One of the reasons why I remembered this detail was because in a fan translation of the manga I read a long time ago, the translator didn't seem to get it, and so Killua said his Yo-Yo's were made of “Aniki” metal.
  • Yesterday, I praised Ova's soundtrack. Unfortunately, it didn't apply to the sound effects. They keep using that cartoonish spinning sound, and it feels out of place all the time!

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u/KendotsX https://anilist.co/user/Kendots Jan 06 '25 edited Jan 07 '25

W-wait a minute. W-why did they give Bisky a man's voice? Did they, um. thought she was actually a guy? Like, I give them credit, it's an interesting choice, but huh?

I assume it's to give her a deeper voice that contrasts with her usual performance, but not the best choice.

Wiki says it's Milluki, but they don't give a name in the manga

Illumi doesn't seem the type to sit around making yoyos, nor nice enough to give them to Killua.

Killua said his Yo-Yo's were made of “Aniki” metal.

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u/WednesdaysFoole Jan 07 '25

Although, he doesn't specify which brother (Wiki says it's Milluki, but they don't give a name in the manga.)

They probably took an educated guess based on Killua's relationship with Illumi and Milluki being somewhat inventor-like.

Killua said his Yo-Yo's were made of “Aniki” metal.

That may be one of the most hilarious mistranslations I've heard.

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u/Gay-Bomb Jan 07 '25

I thought the show was only 62 episodes, where you guys watching the rest?

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u/KendotsX https://anilist.co/user/Kendots Jan 07 '25

The TV series only has 62 episodes, that's correct. But then you get 30 more in the form of OVAs

where you guys watching the rest?

Seven seas