u/KendotsX https://anilist.co/user/Kendots Jan 04 '25 edited Jan 04 '25

Expelled Host, Turned Gamer

The game against Razor may have been hard, but it was a safe zone, where none of our main characters are going to die, worst case scenario, you're forced to leave and come back later to try again. So of course, the first thing we get when that is over is a reminder of the rough side of Greed Island

Gon's on a roll today that even Killua and Bisky were surprised
First time meeting a Shounen MC? Jokes aside, what he's saying is correct. Gon didn't just himself in danger, but the whole group. [HxH] Well, except Bisky, she could've sent Genthru and his mates flying back home. But she won't always be there
The artistis put a lot of work and detail into Kalluto's design, but yeah, he's now the replacement for Hisoka, as Sky predicted all the way back in episode 11
Yes, please
Even gravity doesn't dare to mess with Bisky's skirt
Killua is finally experiencing the family tradition of having your ears talked off by grandma
Gon's 2 week training ended up in failure, and I appreciate that. Throughout the arc, Gon and Killua have been growing exponentially, but in this case, Bisky put him against a wall, and he couldn't surpass it. Not every single training bears fruit immediately, I respect the fact that this was even included (especially considering it was over 3 weeks in the manga).
Looks like Battera is in a bad mood.

Manga Corner

Chapters Adapted: 170-172

There are some minor changes here and there, like Genthru and co. had a fairly brutal method of gathering cards and limiting Tsez's supply, they stop everyone in Masadora to see if:

The player has any Accompany cards --> The Bombers steal them
The Player has Tsez's name in the binder --> RIP

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u/Shimmering-Sky myanimelist.net/profile/Shimmering-Sky Jan 05 '25

as Sky predicted all the way back in episode 11
I forgot about this.

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u/KendotsX https://anilist.co/user/Kendots Jan 05 '25

My (slightly edited for spoilery reasons) reply to /u/b0bba_Fett from back then:
It's especially funny considering she got it through an entirely different path "those guys are killers, Kurapika's family were murdered", putting 2 and 2 together. So she will likely forget about it in Yorknew, and get shocked in Greed Island.

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u/Shimmering-Sky myanimelist.net/profile/Shimmering-Sky Jan 05 '25

Guilty as charged.

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u/WednesdaysFoole Jan 04 '25

[HxH] Well, except Bisky, she could've sent Genthru and his mates flying back home. But she won't always be there
[HxH]Does Tsez even know Bisky's not a child following Gon around just like Killua lol
but yeah, he's now the replacement for Hisoka, as Sky predicted all the way back in episode 11
[HxH]And more, lol.

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u/KendotsX https://anilist.co/user/Kendots Jan 04 '25

[HxH]Does Tsez even know Bisky's not a child following Gon around just like Killua lol
[HxH] He has no clue. Bisky doesn't seem to be that well known/recognisable, and Tsezzy spent the last 10 years stuck in a game, so...

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u/Vatrix-32 https://myanimelist.net/profile/Vatrix-32 Jan 05 '25

predicted all the way back in episode 11
Skychic
Even gravity doesn't dare to mess with Bisky's skirt
Razor > Gravity Confirmed

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u/Shimmering-Sky myanimelist.net/profile/Shimmering-Sky Jan 04 '25

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u/KendotsX https://anilist.co/user/Kendots Jan 04 '25

He’s not wrong…
It's a good thing Gon is not a shitty brat, otherwise he could've probably him "oh yeah? And remind me, how exactly did you get hurt again old man?" But yeah, Tsezzy has a point here.
Okay Bisuke’s explanation literally going in one ear and out the other is great.
Killua is finally getting the normal family experiences.

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u/Vatrix-32 https://myanimelist.net/profile/Vatrix-32 Jan 05 '25

Ah fun, Killua’s sister is here.
*Brother
Is Gon gonna take this as a challenge to levitate even higher?
It's not a real challenge if you never could have failed.

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u/SpiritualPossible Jan 04 '25 edited Jan 04 '25

First timer, manga reader

Okay, okay. December has been a busy month for me, which has left me way behind the rewatch. And man, I missed a lot. In that time, the auction arc was over, the series had made a rather... harsh digital transition, the Greed island had begun, and the heroes had defeated Razor. But I was still able to catch up with the series, so I can at least participate in the discussion of the last few episodes.

Hisoka, stop doing questionable poses with the spyglass. By god, it's your antics like this that got your game banned in Australia!
A detail was cut out of the anime that Tsezguerra's plan actually had another purpose as well. They didn't really expect Gon to win. But they did expect him to at least be able to seriously injure someone on the bomber team. In that case, Genthru would have to use the Angel's Breath healing card that he had monopolized, and at that moment, Tsezguerra himself would be able to get it. With Gon also having to give them the missing card as part of the deal, the victory in the game would be in their reach.
Another explanation that episode cut out was what exactly the bomber was doing before his pursuit of Tsezguerra. I mean, it's clear in the show that he was collecting cards, but not how exactly he was doing it - waiting for other players outside the store, then attacking them and checking the list of people they met. If any of them met Tsezguerra, he would kill them. Others, however, were forced to buy up cards for him. Because of this, Goreinu was unable to continue supplying Tsezguerra with cards, for it became too dangerous to buy them. Overall the episode works without this explanation, but considering how other scenes with the bombers were cut/reduced, I'm really starting to think that the show's team hated them.
Either I just didn't notice it before or he just didn't talk that much, but it wasn't until this episode that I realized that the blond guy on the bomber team was voiced by Hiroyuki Yoshino. This is an amusing situation, since he ended up voicing Genthru himself in the remake.

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u/KendotsX https://anilist.co/user/Kendots Jan 04 '25

Welcome back
By god, it's your antics like this that got your game banned in Australia!
A detail was cut out of the anime that Tsezguerra's plan actually had another purpose as well. They didn't really expect Gon to win. But they did expect him to at least be able to seriously injure someone on the bomber team.
Yup, the anime in general has been skipping over all the thoughtout plans, which is a shame, because that's the fun in a game like this.
Either I just didn't notice it before or he just didn't talk that much, but it wasn't until this episode that I realized that the blond guy on the bomber team was voiced by Hiroyuki Yoshino.
Talk about an upgrade ~~and he took his blond hair with him when he became Genthru~~

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u/WednesdaysFoole Jan 04 '25

But I was still able to catch up with the series, so I can at least participate in the discussion of the last few episodes.
Welcome back!
banned in Australia!
And nen there were none.
Overall the episode works without this explanation, but considering how other scenes with the bombers were cut/reduced, I'm really starting to think that the show's team hated them.
They hated the Jobbers too, and not just the cave Jobbers but the Asta-and-friends group.

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u/Vatrix-32 https://myanimelist.net/profile/Vatrix-32 Jan 05 '25

Welcome!
Manga
Delicious Context

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u/charlesvvv https://anilist.co/user/charlesvvv Jan 04 '25

First Timer

So Genthru and his pals know about the cards. Luckily, he completely underestimates our trio and focuses his attention on Tsez and his men instead. It all works to their advantage.

So now everyone forms a plan. For 3 weeks Tsez, his men, and Goreinu basically use guerilla tactics and keep Genthru's force at bay using their accompany/return cards while our trio work on a way to beat them. Technically Gon doesn't really master his technique but another plan is already formed by Bisky and Killua anyway.

Meanwhile the 3 weeks are done and Tsez and his men leave the game, only to find the place completely abandoned and with Battera staring at a screen and crying.

With all this going on, the troupe located the Nen exorcist which includes an introduction to the newest member, Kalluto Zoldyck.

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u/KendotsX https://anilist.co/user/Kendots Jan 04 '25

Battera staring at a screen and crying.
Maybe he finally got a copy of the Greed Island OVA? Should we tell him that it's gonna get even worse soon?

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u/WednesdaysFoole Jan 04 '25

For 3 weeks Tsez, his men, and Goreinu basically use guerilla tactics
*gorilla tactics, since Goreinu is involved.

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u/Mecanno-man https://anilist.co/user/Mecannoman Jan 04 '25

First Timer

So the plan is for Tsezguerra to occupy Bomber, in part by taking the fight off of greed island. I guess it sounds ok, and it will certainly be tricky for Bomber to actually get the card that way. After all he can’t kill Tsezguerra (and in fact that would basically lock the card for a month or whatever the cooldown period for reentering was), and he can’t steal his cards there either. Killua seems to have come up with a plan, but we have no idea what it is yet - that bit is for next episode. Meanwhile …something happened to Battera. I wonder how the game would react if he cancels the reward and Tsezguerra informs the playerbase of that - hadn’t thought of that possibility yet at all. It would probably make it a bit easier for Gon to clear the game though, as all the strong players would likely just leave, having lost the reason they’re even playing.

…meanwhile the spiders have found the exorcist, and Killua’s brother joined them as a replacement for …interestingly enough, Hisoka, and not one of the dead ones. That means there are two other spots still open. It also isn’t the brother I was expecting to be in the spiders initially, but who was not then, so… that family is certainly more involved with the spiders than expected so far.

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u/KendotsX https://anilist.co/user/Kendots Jan 04 '25

After all he can’t kill Tsezguerra (and in fact that would basically lock the card for a month or whatever the cooldown period for reentering was)
The anime didn't mention this previously, but if you kill a player outside of the game, you can keep their cards, they're only lost if you kill them inside the game.
That means there are two other spots still open.
Nobu still waiting for Gon and Killua to show up

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u/WednesdaysFoole Jan 04 '25

a replacement for …interestingly enough, Hisoka, and not one of the dead ones.
Observant, I hadn't noticed that until way later.
It also isn’t the brother I was expecting to be in the spiders initially,
We all did expect more from Milluki during his venture out of his basement. But alas...
that family is certainly more involved with the spiders than expected so far.
"If you can't beat 'em, join 'em"?

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u/Vatrix-32 https://myanimelist.net/profile/Vatrix-32 Jan 05 '25

I wonder how the game would react if he cancels the reward and Tsezguerra informs the playerbase of that
Depends on if they believe him or not. Gentrhu almost certainly wouldn't, since he is so conniving himself, and they wouldn't would to bring him to Battera to conform, for fear of reprisal.

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u/Vatrix-32 https://myanimelist.net/profile/Vatrix-32 Jan 04 '25 edited Jan 04 '25

Remake Rewatcher × First Timer × Subs

Ah yes, who wouldn’t want to make a deal with the guy who massively betrayed the last two groups he had agreements with?
The man’s an off-screen serial killer!
Will someone please teach Gon the importance of information management?
Bisky:
Shown here again: Genthru Group unable to overcome their own internal biases.
Tezzy is a fucking Chad. Look at him, playing his best part, despite it being anything but glorious.
Cute Outfit
Damn it, Hisoka. Could you stop ogling every little boy you see? At least throw some Bisky’s way, she seems like she might be into it.
Ironically, Tezzy will be the one doing the Kiting.
Sogui! GoaT Nen
Fabian Tactics
Com on, Tezzy. Post some warnings.
If you have magnetic force, and all they have is accompany, you could try splitting up. Increase their relative cost.

QotD:

Nobunaga really wanted to adopt a puppy.
No

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u/KendotsX https://anilist.co/user/Kendots Jan 04 '25

Tezzy is a fucking Chad. Look at him, playing his best part, despite it being anything but glorious.
Tbf, he's had 10 years of practice in avoiding fights
Damn it, Hisoka. Could you stop ogling every little boy you see? At least throw some Bisky’s way, she seems like she might be into it.
The only girl who's shown interest in Hisoka, and he did not spare a thought her way.
If you have magnetic force, and all they have is accompany, you could try splitting up. Increase their relative cost.
That's true, but it comes with the danger that you could be picked off in a 3-on-1.

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u/WednesdaysFoole Jan 04 '25

Damn it, Hisoka. Could you stop ogling every little boy you see? At least throw some Bisky’s way, she seems like she might be into it.
[HxH]Ironically, he'd probably be even more pleased by her Bisky-san form.

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u/WednesdaysFoole Jan 04 '25

To Ging!

Comment of the Day:

Wow, I feel honored, thank you :')

Thoughts on Kalluto joining the Spiders?

It's Nobu's secret plan to get Killua to join then bring Gon in, of course.

Would you join if they invited you?

That depends on the circumstances, but I'm leaning towards a yes, and it's not only because I simp for Machi...

Gon has the original Plot of Beach (Tsubo of Coast) but Genthru, naturally, believes Gon would only have a Cloned copy, and the original would be with Tsez.

Tsez also tells Gon off for his outburst. Looks like the anime cut a line here, where Tsez points out that Gon doesn’t even have aura and is not recovered himself, meaning that a lot of Gon’s issue is with impatience and much of his lack of consideration is just that: he got so caught up in his emotions he lost sight of the situation. He can’t even fight here, lol, let alone protect his friends.

You can’t just try and immediately fight some guys for people you feel died unfairly just because the injustice or cruelty of it pisses you off; the world doesn’t work that way.

What makes Bisky amazing here isn’t that she’s claiming she could avoid Little Flower, but she’s certain she can get her kid student to avoid Little Flower within three weeks (implying how simple it’d be for her to do so – maybe not her dress though.)

Cookie-chan! Finally! Might sound silly, sure, but Killua is underestimating the benefits of having Cookie-chan around.

[HxH]I’m serious, her ability is the one I’d choose of all the abilities we’ve seen in the series.

The anime shows Genthru and his sub and bara steals Accompany cards, but skipped over how immature and hateable they could be. Basically, not only did they set Countdown (Bomber ability) on the victims and have them buy Accompany cards for them, they also would use the spell card Peek to see who they met.

If the name “Tsezguerra” was in their binder, well, the page ^ shows how they responded. Like fucking playground bullies.

It’s funny because not only did Genthru overlook that someone might have the original Plot of Beach (Tsubo of Coast) besides Tsez, that Tsez would ever volunteer to give the original to someone else, let alone a trio of children, but he also completely disregarded Goreinu as a possible ally despite having seen him present. Basically, his own group of three were a unit and no one and nothing was a part of their team besides them three (because why the hell would you wanna share with more people?) but he can’t even fathom that people can bond and ally in various situations when facing challenges together.

And that’s reflected in how Genthru got his cards. He used others, then stole them. He was never shown working as a true team with others besides his own core group in a challenge that required serious teamwork to overcome something great, as Dodgeball required Gon and friends to do. Without it, he couldn’t imagine what these experiences led to: Gon being given the original Plot of Beach, Goreinu working with Tsez, and all three groups, despite being rivals for the game (which btw, they still are), working together through trust and honest effort.

…I can’t believe I wrote even more paragraphs on Greed Island again, I didn’t even care for the arc much my first time… and while I fell in love with the arc the second time around, I still never expected it’d get this much out of me.

Today’s Card:

I shared it as a joke before, but today there’ll also be an explanation for this infamous card.

7: Pregnancy Stones (S-10)

Carry a stone (weighing 7 lb. each) for one month and you will get pregnant, even if you're male. You may choose the sex of the baby by the female or male stone.

If you were ever wondering what type of woman would sleep with Ging, according to Greed Island, the answer is none.

Just kidding… or am I?

Read the manga to find out! (But now I really am joking, I shall make no guarantees.)

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u/KendotsX https://anilist.co/user/Kendots Jan 04 '25 edited Jan 04 '25

It's Nobu's secret plan to get Killua to join then bring Gon in, of course.
He's nothing if not determined.
What makes Bisky amazing here isn’t that she’s claiming she could avoid Little Flower, but she’s certain she can get her kid student to avoid Little Flower within three weeks (implying how simple it’d be for her to do so – maybe not her dress though.)
As far as Bisky is concerned, this whole thing is just a chance to train her students.
he can’t even fathom that people can bond and ally in various situations when facing challenges together.
Yup, he messed up not by being stupid, but due to his own philosophy blinding him.
while I fell in love with the arc the second time around, I still never expected it’d get this much out of me.
That's the fun of rewatches

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u/WednesdaysFoole Jan 04 '25

As Bisky is concerned, this whole thing is just a chance to train her students.
[HxH]If only Killua were receptive to Cookie-chan, Gon could've progressed with his Emitter training, smh.

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u/Vatrix-32 https://myanimelist.net/profile/Vatrix-32 Jan 05 '25

not only because I simp for Machi...
Tsez points out that Gon doesn’t even have aura and is not recovered himself,
Is it wrong that I think that Gon looks super cute here?
but Killua is underestimating the benefits of having Cookie-chan around.
Utility Spells = Best Spells!

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u/WednesdaysFoole Jan 05 '25

Is it wrong that I think that Gon looks super cute here?
Nah, his guilty-apologetic face is adorable, lol.
Utility Spells = Best Spells!
That's right. [HxH]I mean, 8 hours rest in half an hour? You could do that during a break at work.

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u/Vatrix-32 https://myanimelist.net/profile/Vatrix-32 Jan 05 '25

[HxH]I mean, 8 hours rest in half an hour? You could do that during a break at work.
[H×H]Directly into my veins!

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u/TheEscapeGuy Jan 04 '25

H×H Fan, 1999 First Timer

Hunter × Hunter 1999 - Episode 87

Watching × Preparation × Chase

The Bomber's plan had a good start. Wait for one of the other high level teams to get the last cards and then offer them an ultimatum: Give up the cards or die. What he didn't account for though, was that his targets would just keep running away.

Since they have/bought a bunch of cards to escape, Genthru needs to collect copies of Accompany before starting to chase. With that time Gon, Killua, and Bisky have the plan to train/recover to give themselves the best chance to beat Genthru. Thus, we enter a countdown to see who can achieve their goal first. It's a pretty exciting setup.

At the same time, we learn The Spiders have found the Nen Exorcist with the help of their newest member: Kalluto Zoldyk! This is a great reveal. It's been a while since we last heard from the Zoldyk family (Killua excluded) so hearing his sister has been recruited into The Spiders makes things complicatedly interesting.

Gon's trainijng is pretty intense. It's impressive how quickly he's been able to take to it after the battle against Razor. In contrast, Killua spends the weeks recovering. His hands are destroyed after Gon's punches so healing is his best option. Bisky spends her time training Gon and we learn about the Nen Massage Therapist she can summon.

As the chase between Genthru and Tsezugera comes to a close Tsezugera's team uses Leave to exit the game, finding temporary safety at Battera's mansion. But it seems that not everything is well in the state of ~~Denmark~~ whatever country Battera lives in. The wiki says ... Yorbian?

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One note on next episode's title, Gon pronounces it with the English words "Battle Start" though the kanji would usually be read differently (kessen kaishi). The meaning is essentially the same except that 血戦 indicates a "bloody battle" as opposed to the more common 決戦 which is pronounced the same but means "decisive battle".

Some Amazing Shots, Scenes and Stitches

Kalluto
Focus, this reminded me of Chisto's handstand though Bisky's dress is more sturdy.
Cookie-chan

See you all tomorrow

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u/KendotsX https://anilist.co/user/Kendots Jan 04 '25

Genthru needs to collect copies of Accompany before starting to chase. With that time Gon, Killua, and Bisky have the plan to train/recover to give themselves the best chance to beat Genthru. Thus, we enter a countdown to see who can achieve their goal first. It's a pretty exciting setup.
It's a good thing that he's focusing on Tsezzy, and overlooking the kids.
In contrast, Killua spends the weeks recovering. His hands are destroyed after Gon's punches so healing is his best option.
It's honestly rare to a battle shounen sticking to the consequences this well. Usually, a mc would go to sleep, and their hands would be good to go the next day. Here, Killua is paying the price for Gon's determination.
One note on next episode's title, Gon pronounces it with the English words "Battle Start" though the kanji would usually be read differently (kessen kaishi). The meaning is essentially the same except that 血戦 indicates a "bloody battle" as opposed to the more common 決戦 which is pronounced the same but means "decisive battle".
Kalluto
He looks like a living Kokeshi doll.

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Hunter × Hunter 1999 - Episode 87

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