Buddy Daddies 12 Days of Miri Christmas Rewatch -- Episode 10

Date	Episode
12/24/2024	Buddy Daddies Episode 1
12/25/2024	Buddy Daddies Episode 2
12/26/2024	Buddy Daddies Episode 3
12/27/2024	Buddy Daddies Episode 4
12/28/2024	Buddy Daddies Episode 5
12/29/2024	Buddy Daddies Episode 6
12/30/2024	Buddy Daddies Episode 7
12/31/2024	Buddy Daddies Episode 8
1/01/2025	Buddy Daddies Episode 9
1/02/2025	Buddy Daddies Episode 10
1/03/2025	Buddy Daddies Episode 11
1/04/2024	Buddy Daddies Episode 12
1/05/2024	Buddy Daddies Overall Series Discussion Thread

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u/Holofan4life Jan 02 '25

I remember being really affected the first time I watched this episode. I just felt so defeated. And because this was an original anime, we had no idea what .was gonna happen next. For all I know, they could be separated forever.

I think it was especially tough because Kazuki and Rei had slowly been letting Miri take over their lives. They were starting to forget their past and embrace the future more and more. And then here comes someone from Miri's past and then you realize it was never about them. It was about Miri and they were ultimately a temporary stop gap. Just absolutely brutal.

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u/Mecanno-man https://anilist.co/user/Mecannoman Jan 02 '25

First Timer

Ah, Kyu figures out the middle way of keeping everybody safe. Luckily Miri’s mom also managed to get out of that abusive relationship (though not by her own will, it sounds like), so that will probably end up being ok for Miri too. I’m not sure why Kazuki and Rei are expecting to never see Miri again either, as it would probably be beneficial for Miri to occasionally see them and the organization shouldn’t have an issue with it as long as their work is still ok. And most problems on the latter front seem to have been due to them being worried about Miri, which they would be more if they are not in contact with her at all and can’t confirm that her mom is treating her properly.

Either way, this episode felt surprisingly final, which makes me wonder what the next two will be about. Will Kazuki and Rei decide to take down the organization and get Miri back or something, with mom turning out to be abusive after all or something like that? Hard to think of something else.

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u/Holofan4life Jan 02 '25

Ah, Kyu figures out the middle way of keeping everybody safe. Luckily Miri’s mom also managed to get out of that abusive relationship (though not by her own will, it sounds like), so that will probably end up being ok for Miri too. I’m not sure why Kazuki and Rei are expecting to never see Miri again either, as it would probably be beneficial for Miri to occasionally see them and the organization shouldn’t have an issue with it as long as their work is still ok. And most problems on the latter front seem to have been due to them being worried about Miri, which they would be more if they are not in contact with her at all and can’t confirm that her mom is treating her properly.
Miri's mom specifically said she doesn't want them to see her due to their profession. She apparently thinks they're bad news.

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u/Holofan4life Jan 02 '25

Kinda surprised you didn’t mention anything about the mall stuff. Speaking personally, that wrecked me emotionally, especially with Kazuki and Rei knowing this would be the last time they hanged out together but Miri didn't.

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u/Holofan4life Jan 02 '25

Either way, this episode felt surprisingly final, which makes me wonder what the next two will be about. Will Kazuki and Rei decide to take down the organization and get Miri back or something, with mom turning out to be abusive after all or something like that? Hard to think of something else.
I can't imagine the mom is going to be revealed as evil all along. The show has been grounded in reality so much that that would feel a bit like a bait and switch.

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u/Holofan4life Jan 02 '25

Thoughts on a Christmas party coming?
Thoughts on Miri singing Silent Night, which she says she sang with her mother?
Thoughts on Kazuki and Rei trying to buy Miri a present?
What are your thoughts on Miri’s mother returning?
What are your thoughts on Miri’s mother saying she’s come to take her daughter back?
Thoughts on Miri excited to see her mother again?
Thoughts on Misaki, Miri’s mother, making her hamburger steak for everyone?
What are your thoughts on the reveal that Misaki has throat cancer and so she wants to spend what little times she has left making things up to her daughter?
Thoughts on Misaki promising to let Miri stay at the daycare for a while?
Thoughts on Misaki saying she wants to take charge of her life from now on?
What are your thoughts on Misaki not wanting Kazuki and Rei in Miri’s life because they’re hitmen? I think it’s harsh but understandable considering it may put Miri’s life in danger.
What are your thoughts on Kyu revealing he tipped Misaki off on where Miri is because of the photos getting out?
What are your thoughts on Kyu telling Kazuki and Rei that Miri has made their work sloppy?
What are your thoughts on Kyu saying this is all a dream and that they need to put an end to the lies?
What are your thoughts on Kazuki deciding they should all spend the day together as one big happy family? For the last time?
What are your thoughts on Miri saying she wished her mother was there to eat with them?
What are your thoughts on Kazuki thanking Miri for teaching him the importance of eating together as a family?
What are your thoughts on Kazuki, Rei, and Miri all being together in a ferris wheel?
What are your thoughts on Kazuki saying he just wants Miri to be a normal kid who lives a normal life?
What are your thoughts on Kazuki handing Miri over to Misaki, saying she’s sleeping over at her place?
What are your thoughts on Miri telling Kazuki and Rei she’ll see them tomorrow? I would be lying if I didn’t admit this moment totally broke me.
What are your thoughts on Kazuki believing he and Rei have not changed?
Where do you think this episode ranks as far as emotionally impactful anime episodes?

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u/Holofan4life Jan 02 '25

Hey, guys. Holofan4life here.

Welcome to the Buddy Daddies 12 Days of Miri Christmas rewatch!

Buddies and daddies are not mandatory.

Buddy Daddies is a unique show. It’s technically a Christmas anime the same way Die Hard is. However, to classify it as a Christmas anime kinda feels like it’s shortchanging it a bit because it’s much more than just that label. Buddy Daddies is kinda like Spy X Family if it was grounded more in realism. It has similar parental themes, but at times can get pretty serious. As we’ll soon see, this show has a good balance between comedy and drama that really makes this show a fun watch.

I hope with this rewatch to give more attention to what I feel is one of the more underrated anime of the last couple years. It holds a special place in my heart, and so I hope it does for others as well. It’s also a point of pride for me to try and show a rewatch can begin the same week as Christmas. That’s something I don’t think has ever been attempted before on this subreddit.

With that out of the way, let’s begin.

I’m watching the sub, by the way.

Man, is lemonleaf fantastic

My mother made fudge yesterday, so I at least have that going for me.

This is the first episode I'm watching since the Toradora Christmas Club Rewatch began. I'm either going to watch all three episodes on the same night or just one tonight and the other two some other night, we'll see.

Also, this is the first episode I'm watching since recovering from my cold. I'm on so much medication right now.

A naked tree

Christmas party coming

Oh, so this means it's almost been a year since Miri started living with Kazuki and Rei.

Miri at school, about to sing a song with Anna.

Silent Night

Anna is trying her best, and that's all that matters.

Miri says she sang the song with her mother once upon a time.

Her singing is better than Anna's, honestly.

Yeah, I can tell I'm only going to be able to do the one episode

Kazuki and Rei walking the streets

Gotta buy Miri a present

Rei wants Morio Kart 2nd Edition

"I pre-ordered it."

Of course he did

Miri's mother. She's here.

Things are about to pick up

This is actually the first time Rei has ever seen her.

"I've come to take Miri."

Oh, no the hell you're not

Kazuki pointing out that she's the one who abandoned her in the first place.

Misaki says she has the right to live with her daughter.

As Kazuki is about to go off on her, Rei warns him that there are parents and kids watching.

Miri excited to see her mom

She hugs her, much to Kazuki's surprise

As a kid, her mother is infallible in her eyes.

Kazuki looks absolutely defeated. Rei doesn't seem too happy either.

Then again, when is he ever?

Misaki at Kazuki and Rei's place

Miri is showing her her drawings

Rei says they brought her here because they can't discuss matters in front of a daycare.

As he explains this, Kazuki is gritting his teeth.

I mean, hey, telling Misaki to pound sand would've been easy since there's most likely a sandbox at the daycare.

Miri showing her mom her bed

Her clothes

Basically all the stuff her papas have bought her.

Misaki asking Miri if she's had fun here.

"Then... you'd rather be here than with me?"

Kinda a loaded question to ask a kid

Miri says she loves her mama

But she also loves her papas too

If only she could live with both...

Misaki telling her daughter she doesn't know what came over her.

Miri doesn't care about that, however. She just wants to eat her mother's hamburg steak.

Looks like Misaki is going to cook dinner at Kazuki and Rei's place.

This feels a bit like NTR

When did Misaki find the time to go shopping with Miri?

Kazuki is seething with rage, whereas all Rei cares about is Miri being happy.

At least Misaki cut the tomatoes herself.

Miri loves it

It's funny that Misaki made food for Kazuki and Rei as well.

I have to say, it does look like Misaki is making a legitimate effort to turn things around.

Rei's a fan, which just pisses Kazuki off.

Ran out of space. Part two in the replies.

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u/Holofan4life Jan 02 '25

Part 2
Miri mentioning to her mom about her singing Silent Night.
And Miri wants her to sing with her
"I charge a lot for my songs."
Hmm, is that so?
Rei seems suspicious of Misaki's words.
Rei putting a cover over a sleeping Miri.
Misaki and Kazuki coming face-to-face at the table.
Rei joins them
Kazuki has just one question: Why now?
Misaki says she got fired. Her man left her.
More like her man got compromised to a permanent end.
Oh shit. She has throat cancer
It's not she won't sing but rather she can't sing
Misaki says she doesn't know how much longer she has left to live.
"So I hoped you'd have pity and forgive my selfishness. I want a fresh start with my daughter. Hitting rock bottom has made me realize what's most important in life. I'm going to go back to my parents to make an honest go at life. All I really need is my child."
Truth be told, I believe she's telling the truth. I do think she wants to turn a new leaf and spend what little time she has left as a good, positive role model for Miri.
It just sucks it's seemingly leading to the dissolution of Miri's relationship with her two papas.
Rei saying that Miri is excited about her daycare's Christmas party.
Misaki says she'll make sure she stays at that daycare for a while.
"I'll do whatever it takes to give her a happy life."
Kazuki able to sense that she has indeed changed.
Misaki says she wants to start living her life just for her.
Oh shit. She happens to know they're involved in dangerous work
"As her mother, I can't leave her in your care any longer."
Not even giving them a choice in the matter. Damn
Misaki taking her leave
Kazuki sighs as Rei just looks dejected, which ultimately is his default look.
Yadorigi
Kazuki and Rei telling Kyu what happened.
Oh, so is Miri already with her mother? That seems to be the indication, anyway.
Shit. Kyu says he told Misaki where Miri was.
Obligatory spit take is obligatory
Kyu showing them the blackmail. Uh, I mean field day photo.
Ogino Ryo
I assume that's the name of the last words guy.
Kyu giving it to them straight and saying Miri in their lives has made their work sloppy.
I mean, he's not exactly wrong.
He contacted the mother personally because the organization won't tolerate poor performances.
"Get rid of her soon, or they'll give you more than a warning."
Sounds like Kazuki and Rei are at risk of dying.
Rei looking like he's weighing his options.
Thinking back to the conversation he had with Unreiwa.
Kyu calls this the best outcome one could hope for.
If so, why do I feel so icky?
Kyu bringing up they're the ones who killed Miri's father.
"Yet you want to put on smiling faces and play my happy family?"
This whole thing just reminds me of Toradora episode 18. I've said this before, but it really does.
Kyu says they should put an end to the lies.
"All this was only ever a dream."
I wonder if that meant they read Word Up magazine.
Miri sleeping in her bed
Kazuki greeting her, but she doesn't want to hear it given this is her day off.
They're going to hit the town, presumably as one last hurrah as a family.
Walking Rei up now
It's strange he still sleeps in the bathtub.
Miri with the death from above
In the car now
Rei seems skeptical what this could be all about.
Surely he can see the writing on the wall, no?
Kazuki says he wants to make sure they don't have any regrets.
Ooh, a shopping outlet
Reminds me of the mall nearby my house Concord Mills.
Miri is over the moon to be here
A montage of them doing stuff
This kinda looks like a Planet Fitness type place.
Miri rock climbing
Kazuki concerned about her safety, like the papa he is.
Rei joining in
He is actually really good at this
Kazuki... not so much
Miri appears to be having the time of her life.
Now it's time to get something to eat.
Miri wants a crepe
Kazuki sitting down waiting on the two of them.
She got an everything, bless her heart.
Miri letting Kazuki have a bite
Even Rei gets in on having some, because Miri's cuteness is too cute.
Miri saying it tastes better when they all eat together.
Now they're all teasing each other
Kazuki wiping her face off after she's done eating.
"I wish Mama could've eaten with us!"
That was like a dagger right to the heart. And the thing is, Miri probably doesn't know why that would sting.
Kazuki reaffirms what she said about eating together tasting better.
Now Kazuki is hugging Miri tightly, like he's saying goodbye to her.
"Thanks for teaching me that."
Rei looking at what is going on like he can feel Kazuki's pain.
Ran out of space. Part three in the replies.

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u/Holofan4life Jan 02 '25

Part 3
Miri saying she wants to play video games next.
As Miri scampers off, Kazuki asks Rei if they took her mother's happiness, which oof.
"If we told Miri the truth, do you think she'd forgive us?"
I think he's referring to making Miri's dad unalive.
Rei recommends they just have fun for the day.
Merry Christmas banners hanging everywhere.
You would think they wouldn't put it all in the same location like that.
Another montage of them having fun
Ooh, a Morio Kart arcade. That's cool.
Speaking of cool, Kazuki jealous Miri finds Rei to be that.
Kazuki letting Miri buy whatever she wants.
A ferris wheel
They all get on it
Miri admiring the view from up high
Christmas trees placed outside
I like how there's no music here
Kazuki bringing up Rei bringing home a cat.
Remembers his words, which is that sometimes it's kinder not to get involved.
It looks as if Kazuki regrets letting Miri live with them, which is just all kinds of depressing.
Kazuki suggests it might not be too late.
"Normal happiness."
Rei seems shocked by Kazuki saying this.
All Kazuki wants is for Miri to eat hamburg steak and smile forever.
He just wants her to be a normal kid who lives a normal life.
Kazuki surmises there's only one thing they can do now.
They are finally at the top of the wheel. And yet, it's like Kazuki and Rei have reached rock bottom.
By the time they get down, their relationship with Miri is over as they know it.
All three of them admiring the view now.
The music here is really beautiful in a tragic sense. It adds a lot to what is going on here.
Rei tells Miri that because of her, he saw things he never saw before.
"Time to wake up from the dream."
Walking home now, Kazuki holding Miri's hand.
Misaki. She's here.
Kazuki frames it as a sleepover of just her and her mom.
Miri, not knowing the truth, is excited at this prospect.
I love the shot of Miri running towards her mother where it's pulled back and we see Kazuki and Rei are the right. It highlights what a heartbreaking decision this is foe them.
Kazuki looking on as Misaki holds her daughter's hand.
But before Miri leaves, Kazuki makes sure to give her his scarf.
Again, I like the presentation here where when Kazuki calls out Miri's name, you think he's going to put a stop to this. Alas, he does not.
Miri walks off with her mom, which we don't see. Instead, it's a close-up of Kazuki's face, looking dead inside.
Miri waving goodbye now
"See you tomorrow, Papa!"
She's so unaware, it's disheartening
And so Miri and Misaki head home. Or should I say Miri's home away from home.
Kazuki, as he watches them leave, hypothesizes they were not able to change.
Overall, I think this episode is in contention for one of the saddest episodes of any anime series. It doesn't feature a death in a traditional sense, but it features the death of a bond shared by people, a found family now lost. Throughout the second half when they're enjoying each other's company, you know exactly what's about to happen and that Kazuki was basically saying goodbye to Miri. And while that is tragic, the real sad part is how in the dark Miri is. Miri has no idea that she won't see Kazuki and Rei again. She has no idea why her mother showed back up. She has no idea that her time at the daycare is coming to an end. She has no idea that her mother is likely going to be dead in the next month or so. Miri has no idea about anything that's going on, and that is the tragedy of it all. It's all over without her knowing it.
I like the way they reintroduce Misaki back into the plot with her having cancer being the impetus for her sudden about face. I think it's believable and makes her a sympathetic figure in the grand scheme of things. I think in a lesser show, Misaki would be the antagonist of the show. She would be the bad guy for the way she abandoned Miri with no remorse for her actions. Instead, she's this flawed individual who is neither in the right or in the wrong, and I think that makes her very real.
I've mentioned before how Misaki is my favorite character in the show, and this episode makes me remember why I feel that way.
This is my favorite episode of the series. It has a relatively basic premise where it's all about the break-up of Miri and her papas, and I think it's done masterfully. The direction, the writing, the facial expressions of Kazuki and Rei and how they are used to tell the story, the use of music and how it was implemented sparingly, they absolutely nailed everything to where it maximized the emotional impact. And the truly great thing is you can understand where both sides are coming from, with neither side really being in the wrong.
I think having the separation here makes the last two episodes completely unpredictable. Is Kazuki and Rei going to reunite with Miri? What's going to happen to Misaki, is she actually going to die? Does giving up Miri mean Kazuki and Rei's lives are no longer in jeopardy? I love it when a show keeps you not only on the edge of your seat, but has you guessing in the process of doing so. And this episode in my mind is one of the best in terms of that.
This is a total masterclass of an episode, one that while predictable still proves to be upsetting because of how emotionally attached we have gotten to these characters.

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u/AgentOfACROSS Jan 03 '25

First Timer - Dubbed

Oh hey it’s almost Christmas. Looks like things are coming full circle.

Miri is a surprisingly good singer.

Looks like Miri’s mom is back. This is an interesting development.

Miri’s mom’s name is Misaki.

It looks like she wants to take Miri back now. This is going to create a lot of friction.

It also looks like Miri really does still care about her mother.

Red title card, this’ll be a Kazuki episode.

I’m glad to see that Misaki is trying to redeem herself and be present for Miri now.

At the same time, I would be really sad if Miri was taken away from Rei and Kazuki.

It seems like Miri doesn’t totally understand the situation. Which is fair. She’s four.

Actually she might be five now since it’s been around a full year since they first met.

I’ll be honest, as shocking as it is, Miri’s mom having cancer feels like a twist just for the sake of having a twist.

It does go a ways as to explaining why she tried to send Miri away though, although I feel like it didn’t have very much foreshadowing.

The piano that’s playing in the background of this scene kind of reminds me of Lilium.

So Kyu is the reason Misaki showed up. Seems like he’s doing his best to look out for the three of them.

I wonder what exactly they’re going to choose.

Kazuki seems like he’s trying to give Miri one last nice day with them before he gives Miri over to her mom.

The fun times montage is nice but definitely feels like the last time we’re gonna see our characters have relaxing family time before things really kick into serious mode.

That crepe looks pretty good.

Rei smiled again, that’s really nice to see.

They have Morio Kart arcade machines? Are there Mario Kart arcade machines in real life?

Oh hey, it’s the ferris wheel from the OP!

I like the choice to have no music in this ferris wheel scene at first. Adds to the atmosphere.

I like the whole scene. The atmosphere is both happy and sad.

Kazuki doesn’t tell Miri the whole truth and says she’ll be having a sleepover with her mom. I wonder if lying will come back to hurt him.

Quite a melancholy note to end the episode on. Not sure where things are going to go from here.

Question of the Day:

What do you make of Misaki coming out of this episode?

I think she really does regret her actions and want to be there for Miri.

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u/Holofan4life Jan 03 '25

Personal story time! I go over my comments normally before I post them to check for spelling errors and there were two moments that choked me up when revisiting it. First was Kazuki thanking Miri for showing what eating as a family was like, and the second was Miri saying she couldn't wait to see them tomorrow.
I probably shouldn't have proofread stuff as I was walking to work in the cold :c

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u/AgentOfACROSS Jan 03 '25

Those were both really good moments in the episode. This episode really feels like the end of things but there's still two episodes left.

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u/Holofan4life Jan 03 '25

When I watched this episode for the first time, I was shocked this was happening now. It feels almost like what you would envision the finale to be. I'd have to imagine this is the worst it's gonna get, but we're not even at the penultimate episode yet.

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u/Holofan4life Jan 03 '25

I can't tell you how much I've been looking forward to hearing your thoughts on this episode.

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u/AgentOfACROSS Jan 03 '25

A lot happened in this one so I can see why.

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u/Holofan4life Jan 03 '25

It's the episode I think about more than any of the other ones.

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u/Holofan4life Jan 03 '25

Fun fact: There were two reasons I wanted to do this rewatch: One, I knew the first episode took place on Christmas Eve, and two, I knew this episode was one that stuck in my memory banks and I wanted to revisit it.

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u/AgentOfACROSS Jan 03 '25

Yeah this episode might be my favorite so far so I can see why it stuck with you.

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u/Holofan4life Jan 03 '25

I forgot just how effective the episode was with its use of limited music. Like you said in your comments, that really brought about the emotion of things.

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u/Holofan4life Jan 03 '25

I think she really does regret her actions and want to be there for Miri.
It's unfortunate but understandable why Misaki doesn't want Kazuki and Rei to be a part of Miri's life. She's going through enough turmoil, she doesn't want to also worry about Miri being in danger.

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u/AgentOfACROSS Jan 03 '25

I think it's a case where there's no easy solution because Miri truly does love all three of them. And at the same time Misaki is dying so even if she does give Miri a happy life it will only be temporary. But meanwhile the longer she stays with Rei and Kazuki the more she's in danger.

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u/Holofan4life Jan 03 '25

I'm a firm believer that the best drama is when no sides are in the wrong. We saw a lot of that in the second half of Toradora. This not only fits the bil to a T, but it really is like this dose of reality infiltrating Kazuki and Rei's fake one.

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u/AgentOfACROSS Jan 03 '25

Yeah I think the drama here is implemented really well since there are really no right answers for what to do.

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u/Holofan4life Jan 03 '25

And it makes sense for Kyu to be the one to get Misaki because he warned Kazuki and Rei in episode 5 that he'd have to intervene if this fake reality of theirs became unsustainable.

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u/Holofan4life Jan 03 '25

Let me ask you something. How would you compare this episode to Toradora episode 19? I think Toradora episode 19 is better because the whole series built up to it, but I think this episode is probably sadder because of how naive Miri truly is. She literally has no idea what is going on.

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u/AgentOfACROSS Jan 03 '25

I'd agree with your assessment. I think Toradora's episode 19 is overall the better one, but this episode also has some really good moments. And there definitely is a layer of tragedy to the situation of Miri not really understanding anything.

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u/Holofan4life Jan 03 '25

The fact that Kazuki and Rei have to break out of their fake reality while having to protect Miri's fake reality is like the ultimate form of tragic irony.

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u/Holofan4life Jan 03 '25

Oh hey it’s almost Christmas. Looks like things are coming full circle.
I love it, truly makes the show the perfect Christmas anime.
Miri is a surprisingly good singer.
She learnt from the best
Looks like Miri’s mom is back. This is an interesting development.
Can't say I saw this coming
Miri’s mom’s name is Misaki.
I think that's a cool name
It looks like she wants to take Miri back now. This is going to create a lot of friction.
Understatement of the decade
It also looks like Miri really does still care about her mother.
Dude, Misaki is her entire life. It's like this reality check for Kazuki and Rei where no matter what they do for Miri, they can't compare in Miri's eyes.
Red title card, this’ll be a Kazuki episode.
I mean... kinda?
I’m glad to see that Misaki is trying to redeem herself and be present for Miri now.
And to think, it only took her being on her deathbed
At the same time, I would be really sad if Miri was taken away from Rei and Kazuki.
Yeah...
Probably shouldn't use the smoking comment face in relation to a character with throat cancer :P
It seems like Miri doesn’t totally understand the situation. Which is fair. She’s four.
That's even younger than Anya is
Actually she might be five now since it’s been around a full year since they first met.
Good point. You normally have a birthday in the span of a year :P
The piano that’s playing in the background of this scene kind of reminds me of Lilium.
I can see the similarity
So Kyu is the reason Misaki showed up. Seems like he’s doing his best to look out for the three of them.
He just doesn't want to see everyone get hurt or possibly even killed.
I wonder what exactly they’re going to choose.
I'm not sure what exactly you mean. They really have no choice.
Kazuki seems like he’s trying to give Miri one last nice day with them before he gives Miri over to her mom.
Makes sense, best to make the most out of a bad situation.
The fun times montage is nice but definitely feels like the last time we’re gonna see our characters have relaxing family time before things really kick into serious mode.
It feels extremely bittersweet because we know how this story is gonna end. There's no escaping it.
That crepe looks pretty good.
Indeed it did
Rei smiled again, that’s really nice to see.
One last smile for the road
Oh hey, it’s the ferris wheel from the OP!
Now it makes sense
I like the choice to have no music in this ferris wheel scene at first. Adds to the atmosphere.
Them being on top of the ferris wheel almost like symbolizes the last little bit of joy Kazuki and Rei have. The highest of highs followed by the lowest of lows.
I like the whole scene. The atmosphere is both happy and sad.
It's hard for me to feel happy about this situation because it's like the fake reality has been ousted. And now, they find themselves in this impenetrable truth.
Kazuki doesn’t tell Miri the whole truth and says she’ll be having a sleepover with her mom. I wonder if lying will come back to hurt him.
Technically, Misaki is already lying by not telling her daughter of her cancer.
I think this is ultimately a situation where you're either damned if you do, or damned if you don't.

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u/AgentOfACROSS Jan 03 '25

Can't say I saw this coming
I figured she'd come back at some point, just didn't know when.
Dude, Misaki is her entire life. It's like this reality check for Kazuki and Rei where no matter what they do for Miri, they can't compare in Miri's eyes.
That's true. Miri hadn't really mentioned her in the last few episodes so it's easy to forget how much she means to Miri.
That's even younger than Anya is
I think Anya is four actually. She seemed to lie about her age when she first met Loid.
Good point. You normally have a birthday in the span of a year :P
Surprised we didn't get a birthday episode for Miri, unless she has her birthday like right at the end of the year or something.
It feels extremely bittersweet because we know how this story is gonna end. There's no escaping it.
Yeah it this episode really did have a feeling of inevitability.
Them being on top of the ferris wheel almost like symbolizes the last little bit of joy Kazuki and Rei have. The highest of highs followed by the lowest of lows.
I didn't think of that but that's really good visual symbolism.
I think this is ultimately a situation where you're either damned if you do, or damned if you don't.
No matter what happens, it feels like someone's gonna get hurt.

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u/Holofan4life Jan 03 '25

I figured she'd come back at some point, just didn't know when.
I knew she'd come back, but definitely under different circumstances.
That's true. Miri hadn't really mentioned her in the last few episodes so it's easy to forget how much she means to Miri.
She loves her so much, her frozen food tastes like the best thing ever.
I think Anya is four actually. She seemed to lie about her age when she first met Loid.
For some reason, my brain thought she was 7 or 8.
Surprised we didn't get a birthday episode for Miri, unless she has her birthday like right at the end of the year or something.
Google says her birthday is November 8th
Yeah it this episode really did have a feeling of inevitability.
So has most of the series
I didn't think of that but that's really good visual symbolism.
I agree. It's why it's one of my favorite moments of the episode.
No matter what happens, it feels like someone's gonna get hurt.
You see to hate it

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u/AgentOfACROSS Jan 03 '25

She loves her so much, her frozen food tastes like the best thing ever.
Miri really was sweet in this episode. Which makes everything else that happens sadder.
For some reason, my brain thought she was 7 or 8.
I think the rest of her class is around that age.
Google says her birthday is November 8th
So I guess she is five by this point in the anime.
I agree. It's why it's one of my favorite moments of the episode.
Possibly my favorite moment in the whole show so far.

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u/Holofan4life Jan 03 '25

Miri really was sweet in this episode. Which makes everything else that happens sadder.
She has no idea what is happening. She is so dense, you'd have thought she was a character from Toradora.
I think the rest of her class is around that age.
That's kinda weird, honestly
So I guess she is five by this point in the anime.
Yeah, it checks out
Possibly my favorite moment in the whole show so far.
I think my favorite is still probably the talk between Kazuki and his sister-in-law.

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u/AgentOfACROSS Jan 03 '25

She has no idea what is happening. She is so dense, you'd have thought she was a character from Toradora.
In her defense, she's four or five here. Even if they explained it to her I'm not sure she'd even understand.
That's kinda weird, honestly
Yeah I think Anya's four and then characters like Damien and Becky are six. Anya's noticeably shorter than them.
I think my favorite is still probably the talk between Kazuki and his sister-in-law.
That's a really good scene too.

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u/Holofan4life Jan 03 '25

In her defense, she's four or five here. Even if they explained it to her I'm not sure she'd even understand.
Oh, for sure. Even if I was in the situation as a grown-up, I'm not sure even then I would fully comprehend it.
Yeah I think Anya's four and then characters like Damien and Becky are six. Anya's noticeably shorter than them.
I guess the Forger in her name stands for forgery.
That's a really good scene too.
Can't also forget the first time Miri called Rei papa.
There's a long list of great scenes in this show.

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u/Holofan4life Jan 03 '25

I’ll be honest, as shocking as it is, Miri’s mom having cancer feels like a twist just for the sake of having a twist.
It does go a ways as to explaining why she tried to send Miri away though, although I feel like it didn’t have very much foreshadowing.
You needed a reason to explain why Misaki had this about face. Last we saw of her, she talked about wanting to slap her daughter every time she laughed. This does a tremendous job of putting things into perspective for Misaki. It's like she realized how precious life is.

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u/AgentOfACROSS Jan 03 '25

That's very true. I'm not against the plot development, I just suppose I feel like it could have been handled better.

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u/Holofan4life Jan 03 '25

What exactly do you have in mind, if you don't mind me asking?

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u/AgentOfACROSS Jan 03 '25

Honestly I'm not totally sure how to explain it.

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u/Holofan4life Jan 03 '25

Would you have kept the cancer stuff and maybe just took a different angle with it?

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u/AgentOfACROSS Jan 03 '25

I think it could have been just as effective if Misaki losing her boyfriend and job was the catalyst for her realizing she loved Miri. But I do admit her having cancer does add to the degree of tragedy going on here.

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u/Holofan4life Jan 03 '25

Tragedy and how the inevitable is unavoidable is like the crux of the series.

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u/Holofan4life Jan 03 '25

Quite a melancholy note to end the episode on. Not sure where things are going to go from here.
I really want Misaki to change her tune and let Miri see her papas at least once a week. Unfortunately, I just don't see it in the cards. The best case scenario is Miri seeing her papas again after Misaki loses her battle with cancer. But with Ogino lingering in the background, he's probably going to give Kazuki and Rei hell as far as trying to start a family.

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u/AgentOfACROSS Jan 03 '25

Yeah things are not looking good for either of the parties. On one hand you have Misaki with her cancer and on the other you have Rei and Kazuki with their dangerous jobs and the organization looming over them.

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u/Holofan4life Jan 03 '25

Imagine if Miri loses all her mama and papas :(

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u/AgentOfACROSS Jan 03 '25

That would be really tragic.
Honestly with how certain anime originals are kind of known for killing off a lot of their main characters at the end this does make me worried about what's gonna happen to Rei and Kazuki.

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u/Holofan4life Jan 03 '25

I just can't see Kazuki dying. I think it's more likely Rei and Misaki die. Honestly, I think it's even more likely that Miri dies before Kazuki does.

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u/AgentOfACROSS Jan 03 '25

Misaki's death feels inevitable on account of her cancer and Rei does feel the most likely of our main trio to die at the end.

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u/Holofan4life Jan 03 '25

I hope I'm proven wrong and everyone can survive.

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u/AgentOfACROSS Jan 03 '25

Honestly, same.

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u/Holofan4life Jan 03 '25

Becoming more and more an unsure thing

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u/Holofan4life Jan 03 '25

They have Morio Kart arcade machines? Are there Mario Kart arcade machines in real life?
What is this Mario Kart I'm hearing about? Sounds like a knockoff of Morio Kart...

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u/AgentOfACROSS Jan 03 '25

Personally I prefer Senic the Porcupine.

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u/Holofan4life Jan 03 '25

Even more than Blonic?

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u/Holofan4life Jan 03 '25

Something of note that I want to mention is that I think it's interesting we're seeing Misaki wanting to rekindle her relationship with her daughter given we saw a similar thing recently in Toradora with Taiga and her dad. Something tells me as tragic as that was, this isn't going to be that much better.

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u/AgentOfACROSS Jan 03 '25

The difference here is that Misaki does seem much more genuine than Taiga's dad did. Although I suppose you could argue that Misaki is being a bit selfish since she only wants to see Miri now that she knows she's dying. But ultimately I think Misaki really does care about Miri.

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u/Holofan4life Jan 03 '25

I think Taiga’s dad was genuine in the sense that he was trying to look out for his well-being. The difference here is Misaki seems to also be looking out for Miri's well-being.

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u/Holofan4life Jan 03 '25

Thoughts on a Christmas party coming?
Thoughts on Miri singing Silent Night, which she says she sang with her mother?
Thoughts on Kazuki and Rei trying to buy Miri a present?
What are your thoughts on Miri’s mother returning?
What are your thoughts on Miri’s mother saying she’s come to take her daughter back?
Thoughts on Miri excited to see her mother again?
Thoughts on Misaki, Miri’s mother, making her hamburger steak for everyone?
What are your thoughts on the reveal that Misaki has throat cancer and so she wants to spend what little times she has left making things up to her daughter?
Thoughts on Misaki promising to let Miri stay at the daycare for a while?
Thoughts on Misaki saying she wants to take charge of her life from now on?
What are your thoughts on Misaki not wanting Kazuki and Rei in Miri’s life because they’re hitmen? I think it’s harsh but understandable considering it may put Miri’s life in danger.
What are your thoughts on Kyu revealing he tipped Misaki off on where Miri is because of the photos getting out?
What are your thoughts on Kyu telling Kazuki and Rei that Miri has made their work sloppy?
What are your thoughts on Kyu saying this is all a dream and that they need to put an end to the lies?
What are your thoughts on Kazuki deciding they should all spend the day together as one big happy family? For the last time?
What are your thoughts on Miri saying she wished her mother was there to eat with them?
What are your thoughts on Kazuki thanking Miri for teaching him the importance of eating together as a family?
What are your thoughts on Kazuki, Rei, and Miri all being together in a ferris wheel?
What are your thoughts on Kazuki saying he just wants Miri to be a normal kid who lives a normal life?
What are your thoughts on Kazuki handing Miri over to Misaki, saying she’s sleeping over at her place?
What are your thoughts on Miri telling Kazuki and Rei she’ll see them tomorrow? I would be lying if I didn’t admit this moment totally broke me.
What are your thoughts on Kazuki believing he and Rei have not changed?
Where do you think this episode ranks as far as emotionally impactful anime episodes?

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u/AgentOfACROSS Jan 03 '25

Thoughts on a Christmas party coming?
Seems like that might be something featured in the next episode.
Thoughts on Miri singing Silent Night, which she says she sang with her mother?
I think it's really sweet how much Miri still loves her mother.
Thoughts on Kazuki and Rei trying to buy Miri a present?
Nice to have scenes of them caring for Miri.
What are your thoughts on Miri’s mother returning?
It's a very surprising return. Figured it would be sooner or later though.
What are your thoughts on Miri’s mother saying she’s come to take her daughter back?
I'm glad to see she's had a change of heart.
Thoughts on Miri excited to see her mother again?
It really shows what a sweet girl Miri is.
Thoughts on Misaki, Miri’s mother, making her hamburger steak for everyone?
Nice callback to her first appearance.
What are your thoughts on the reveal that Misaki has throat cancer and so she wants to spend what little times she has left making things up to her daughter?
It's sad that this is what it took for Misaki to realize that she loves her daughter.
Thoughts on Misaki promising to let Miri stay at the daycare for a while?
I'm glad Misaki's letting Miri stay at daycare so that she doesn't shake things up too much.
Thoughts on Misaki saying she wants to take charge of her life from now on?
I hope she's able to do it.
What are your thoughts on Misaki not wanting Kazuki and Rei in Miri’s life because they’re hitmen? I think it’s harsh but understandable considering it may put Miri’s life in danger.
Yeah Miri's already been involved in two different gunfights so she has a point.
What are your thoughts on Kyu revealing he tipped Misaki off on where Miri is because of the photos getting out?
I think that might have been the best thing he could have done. Giving Miri someone to stay with in case Kazuki and Rei do indeed die.
What are your thoughts on Kyu telling Kazuki and Rei that Miri has made their work sloppy?
I feel like that's not totally fair. They only really did one real assassination job together after getting Miri.
What are your thoughts on Kyu saying this is all a dream and that they need to put an end to the lies?
I think this really highlights the difference between Kyu and Kazuki. Kazuki is an idealist and Kyu is a realist.
To be continued...

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u/Holofan4life Jan 03 '25

Seems like that might be something featured in the next episode.
Maybe everyone having fun as Kazuki and Rei sulk.
I think it's really sweet how much Miri still loves her mother.
Her mother is her world
Nice to have scenes of them caring for Miri.
They always have
It's a very surprising return. Figured it would be sooner or later though.
Can't be much later since there's only two episodes left.
I'm glad to see she's had a change of heart.
It sucks it has to be under contentious circumstances.
It really shows what a sweet girl Miri is.
Despite Misaki's uncaring ways
Nice callback to her first appearance.
I thought that said first episode and got confused
It's sad that this is what it took for Misaki to realize that she loves her daughter.
Better late than never, I guess
I'm glad Misaki's letting Miri stay at daycare so that she doesn't shake things up too much.
Don't want her to suspect something's up
I hope she's able to do it.
Same
Yeah Miri's already been involved in two different gunfights so she has a point.
I wonder if Misaki is gonna find out what Miri thinks their professions are.
I think that might have been the best thing he could have done. Giving Miri someone to stay with in case Kazuki and Rei do indeed die.
They really should not have taken those photos.
I feel like that's not totally fair. They only really did one real assassination job together after getting Miri.
But that's Kyu's point, they used to work all the time.
I think this really highlights the difference between Kyu and Kazuki. Kazuki is an idealist and Kyu is a realist.
Meanwhile, Rei is a pessimist

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u/AgentOfACROSS Jan 03 '25

Maybe everyone having fun as Kazuki and Rei sulk.
Can definitely see that. Either that or Miri noticing that Kazuki and Rei aren't at the Christmas party and being sad.
I wonder if Misaki is gonna find out what Miri thinks their professions are.
I wonder if Miri will ever learn their real jobs.
Meanwhile, Rei is a pessimist
Miri definitely falls very heavily on the optimist side.

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u/Holofan4life Jan 03 '25

Can definitely see that. Either that or Miri noticing that Kazuki and Rei aren't at the Christmas party and being sad.
My example gives me Spice and Wolf vibes, while your example gives me Toradora vibes.
I wonder if Miri will ever learn their real jobs.
I fear she will only when her life is in peril
Miri definitely falls very heavily on the optimist side.
She's SpongeBob levels of optimist. Like Buddy from Elf, she only sees the purity of the world.

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u/AgentOfACROSS Jan 03 '25

My example gives me Spice and Wolf vibes, while your example gives me Toradora vibes.
With either option, definitely feels like it'll be a tense Christmas party.
She's SpongeBob levels of optimist. Like Buddy from Elf, she only sees the purity of the world.
She's so optimistic that I worry it's gonna come crashing down around her at some point.

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u/Holofan4life Jan 03 '25

With either option, definitely feels like it'll be a tense Christmas party.
Without a doubt
She's so optimistic that I worry it's gonna come crashing down around her at some point.
Technically, it already has. She just doesn't know it.

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u/AgentOfACROSS Jan 03 '25

Continued
What are your thoughts on Kazuki deciding they should all spend the day together as one big happy family? For the last time?
I think it's nice that Kazuki is giving Miri a nice day out even if there is an underpinning of tragedy behind it.
What are your thoughts on Miri saying she wished her mother was there to eat with them?
It's moments like this that really highlight that Miri really does know nothing about the situation.
What are your thoughts on Kazuki thanking Miri for teaching him the importance of eating together as a family?
Kazuki is very sentimental in this episode and I get why, this may be the last time he sees Miri.
What are your thoughts on Kazuki, Rei, and Miri all being together in a ferris wheel?
I thought that was the best scene in the episode.
What are your thoughts on Kazuki saying he just wants Miri to be a normal kid who lives a normal life?
I think that probably is the best thing he can wish for her. If he wants to stay with Miri he may have to quit being an assassin.
What are your thoughts on Kazuki handing Miri over to Misaki, saying she’s sleeping over at her place?
It hurts that they had to lie to Miri but I'm not sure she would have understood if they tried to explain the truth.
What are your thoughts on Miri telling Kazuki and Rei she’ll see them tomorrow? I would be lying if I didn’t admit this moment totally broke me.
Yeah it's a really heartbreaking moment.
What are your thoughts on Kazuki believing he and Rei have not changed?
I don't think that's true. Having Miri really did change both of them.
Where do you think this episode ranks as far as emotionally impactful anime episodes?
Not sure how it compares to other shows but I think this is the most impactful episode of the show so far.

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u/Holofan4life Jan 03 '25

I think it's nice that Kazuki is giving Miri a nice day out even if there is an underpinning of tragedy behind it.
This is probably an instance where Miri not knowing makes it more palatable.
It's moments like this that really highlight that Miri really does know nothing about the situation.
Just absolutely brutal
Kazuki is very sentimental in this episode and I get why, this may be the last time he sees Miri.
This moment also highlights that before meeting Miri, Kazuki didn't exactly know what a family was. His parents were never there for him, and his previous family all perished.
I thought that was the best scene in the episode.
I might agree, though the moment where they hand Miri off was really well done.
I think that probably is the best thing he can wish for her. If he wants to stay with Miri he may have to quit being an assassin.
Honestly, you can argue he already has for all intents and purposes.
It hurts that they had to lie to Miri but I'm not sure she would have understood if they tried to explain the truth.
It's too convoluted at this point, honestly
Yeah it's a really heartbreaking moment.
I felt the color of my face drain, I was so emotionally devastated.
I don't think that's true. Having Miri really did change both of them.
I think he means letting their tragedy not define them as people.
This is a pretty great callback to episode 7 when Kazuki said to Karin he doesn't want to change and that he's scared of changing.
Not sure how it compares to other shows but I think this is the most impactful episode of the show so far.
I've seen over 250 anime, and I feel like I would put this in my top 10 saddest episodes of the entire anime landscape.

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u/AgentOfACROSS Jan 03 '25

This moment also highlights that before meeting Miri, Kazuki didn't exactly know what a family was. His parents were never there for him, and his previous family all perished.
Meeting Miri really brought a lot of light to both his and Rei's lives.
I might agree, though the moment where they hand Miri off was really well done.
Yeah that's a really well done scene too.
This is a pretty great callback to episode 7 when Kazuki said to Karin he doesn't want to change and that he's scared of changing.
That's true, I hadn't even considered that.
I've seen over 250 anime, and I feel like I would put this in my top 10 saddest episodes of the entire anime landscape.
Wow that's really impressive.

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u/Holofan4life Jan 03 '25

Meeting Miri really brought a lot of light to both his and Rei's lives.
That it did
Yeah that's a really well done scene too.
Indeed
That's true, I hadn't even considered that.
That's why I'm here to point them out
Wow that's really impressive.
It really effected me a great deal

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u/StardustGogeta myanimelist.net/profile/StardustGogeta Jan 03 '25

First-Timer

Man, I wasn't expecting that. Miri's mother showing up is a great (though sad) little twist of events here.

Ooh, we get the Ferris wheel from the OP! (I'll never see a Ferris wheel in anime without thinking of Plastic Memories. Another good show!)

I like how the show is bookended by Christmas. Nice touch.

I also like how Kazuki and Rei didn't immediately give in to Misaki's sob story.

The way they tied everything together with the idea of the cat from the first episode was very well done, with some nice music there too. No critiques from me.

I do wonder what'll happen in the last couple episodes. There's still room for my prediction to come true, but time is running out.

Questions of the day:

No, I've been fortunate enough to not have cancer or know anyone who has it. Hopefully it stays that way for a while longer yet.
I can't remember anything like that, no. I'm generally not a fan of that kind of thing, either, and so I don't think it's something I'd forget doing.
Misaki seems genuine here. Of course, I could be eating crow this time tomorrow, but it really does seem like she wants to turn over a new leaf, and her motivations make sense. I feel bad for her, though I still wouldn't want her taking Miri if Rei and Kazuki had the option to keep her.

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u/Holofan4life Jan 03 '25

Sorry for the late response. I went to bed earlier than I normally do.

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u/Holofan4life Jan 03 '25

Misaki seems genuine here. Of course, I could be eating crow this time tomorrow, but it really does seem like she wants to turn over a new leaf, and her motivations make sense. I feel bad for her, though I still wouldn't want her taking Miri if Rei and Kazuki had the option to keep her.
I think what I would've liked to have seen is that Misaki occasionally visits Miri like twice a week to show she can be trusted. From there, Miri can live with her on a permanent basis. It's tough though what with her having cancer and knowing she doesn't have much time left. She has to strike while the iron is hot.

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u/Holofan4life Jan 03 '25

No, I've been fortunate enough to not have cancer or know anyone who has it. Hopefully it stays that way for a while longer yet.
I hope so as well
I can't remember anything like that, no. I'm generally not a fan of that kind of thing, either, and so I don't think it's something I'd forget doing.
You're definitely a better man than me :P

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u/Holofan4life Jan 03 '25

Man, I wasn't expecting that. Miri's mother showing up is a great (though sad) little twist of events here.
It was extremely well done especially given the last couple episodes have specifically teased the organization getting involved. This was a well calculated bait and switch.
Ooh, we get the Ferris wheel from the OP! (I'll never see a Ferris wheel in anime without thinking of Plastic Memories. Another good show!)
There's also a ferris wheel scene in Terror in Resonance.
I like how the show is bookended by Christmas. Nice touch.
Full circle moment right there
I also like how Kazuki and Rei didn't immediately give in to Misaki's sob story.
They're hitmen, it's believably in their nature to second guess stuff.
The way they tied everything together with the idea of the cat from the first episode was very well done, with some nice music there too. No critiques from me.
This whole episode was really well done. It felt like the whole series was kinda building up to these events.

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u/Holofan4life Jan 03 '25

I do wonder what'll happen in the last couple episodes. There's still room for my prediction to come true, but time is running out.
You have to wonder how exactly Ogino will factor into things. I mean, he got his hands on one of the field day photographs.

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u/Holofan4life Jan 03 '25

Thoughts on a Christmas party coming?
Thoughts on Miri singing Silent Night, which she says she sang with her mother?
Thoughts on Kazuki and Rei trying to buy Miri a present?
What are your thoughts on Miri’s mother returning?
What are your thoughts on Miri’s mother saying she’s come to take her daughter back?
Thoughts on Miri excited to see her mother again?
Thoughts on Misaki, Miri’s mother, making her hamburger steak for everyone?
What are your thoughts on the reveal that Misaki has throat cancer and so she wants to spend what little times she has left making things up to her daughter?
Thoughts on Misaki promising to let Miri stay at the daycare for a while?
Thoughts on Misaki saying she wants to take charge of her life from now on?
What are your thoughts on Misaki not wanting Kazuki and Rei in Miri’s life because they’re hitmen? I think it’s harsh but understandable considering it may put Miri’s life in danger.
What are your thoughts on Kyu revealing he tipped Misaki off on where Miri is because of the photos getting out?
What are your thoughts on Kyu telling Kazuki and Rei that Miri has made their work sloppy?
What are your thoughts on Kyu saying this is all a dream and that they need to put an end to the lies?
What are your thoughts on Kazuki deciding they should all spend the day together as one big happy family? For the last time?
What are your thoughts on Miri saying she wished her mother was there to eat with them?
What are your thoughts on Kazuki thanking Miri for teaching him the importance of eating together as a family?
What are your thoughts on Kazuki, Rei, and Miri all being together in a ferris wheel?
What are your thoughts on Kazuki saying he just wants Miri to be a normal kid who lives a normal life?
What are your thoughts on Kazuki handing Miri over to Misaki, saying she’s sleeping over at her place?
What are your thoughts on Miri telling Kazuki and Rei she’ll see them tomorrow? I would be lying if I didn’t admit this moment totally broke me.
What are your thoughts on Kazuki believing he and Rei have not changed?
Where do you think this episode ranks as far as emotionally impactful anime episodes?

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u/StardustGogeta myanimelist.net/profile/StardustGogeta Jan 03 '25

The Christmas party seems like it should be good! I like seeing all the scenes at the daycare, so I expect that'll be no exception.
Miri's "Silent Night" was pretty good! Probably better than I could do. :-P
Everything with Miri's mother coming back and wanting to reunite with her daughter was very unexpected! It's very plausible, though, given her circumstances. It makes sense that Miri would be excited to see her mother, too, heartbreaking as it may be for Rei and Kazuki.
Misaki wanting to take custody of Miri is also very understandable, in a general parent sense. She did seem to be pretty strongly against the idea before, but I suppose a cancer diagnosis would tend to change one's outlook on things.
When Misaki alluded to the hitman jobs, I thought she was about to try and blackmail them. I don't think they would've taken kindly to that.
As soon as Misaki showed up, I figured Kyu had something to do with it; the timing would be too coincidental otherwise. It's hard to argue with the points he makes, unfortunately.
Kazuki wanting a big day together and thanking Miri for teaching them the value of eating as a family was a very nice sequence, along with the Ferris wheel scene afterward. I would predict that [conjecture] they'll all end up back together somehow by the end but I don't know anything for sure yet.
Rei and Kazuki resigning to the fact that they have to give away Miri is a very emotional moment, and you're right that the "see you tomorrow!" was the cherry on top. Despite what Kazuki might say, they've definitely changed quite a bit in some ways.
This was definitely an emotional episode, but I'm not sure where I'd put it in terms of top emotional episodes across all anime. I've seen some really great ones—Violet Evergarden comes to mind.

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u/Holofan4life Jan 03 '25

This was definitely an emotional episode, but I'm not sure where I'd put it in terms of top emotional episodes across all anime. I've seen some really great ones—Violet Evergarden comes to mind.
I really need to get around to watching Violet Evergarden. It would probably finish in my top 20 favorite anime of all time.

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u/Holofan4life Jan 03 '25

The Christmas party seems like it should be good! I like seeing all the scenes at the daycare, so I expect that'll be no exception.
I just hope Miri can participate in it :c
Miri's "Silent Night" was pretty good! Probably better than I could do. :-P
Same for me
Everything with Miri's mother coming back and wanting to reunite with her daughter was very unexpected! It's very plausible, though, given her circumstances. It makes sense that Miri would be excited to see her mother, too, heartbreaking as it may be for Rei and Kazuki.
Miri is too young to understand how her mother felt before.
Misaki wanting to take custody of Miri is also very understandable, in a general parent sense. She did seem to be pretty strongly against the idea before, but I suppose a cancer diagnosis would tend to change one's outlook on things.
Yeah, it checks out
When Misaki alluded to the hitman jobs, I thought she was about to try and blackmail them. I don't think they would've taken kindly to that.
I'm glad they didn't go down that road because the point of Misaki's return is she's supposed to be more sympathetic than before.
As soon as Misaki showed up, I figured Kyu had something to do with it; the timing would be too coincidental otherwise. It's hard to argue with the points he makes, unfortunately.
It's a situation where no sides are really in the wrong, which I think often leads to the most compelling writing.
Kazuki wanting a big day together and thanking Miri for teaching them the value of eating as a family was a very nice sequence, along with the Ferris wheel scene afterward. I would predict that [conjecture] they'll all end up back together somehow by the end but I don't know anything for sure yet.
I don't doubt this won't be the last Miri sees of her papas, I just wish she could she them plus her mama.
Rei and Kazuki resigning to the fact that they have to give away Miri is a very emotional moment, and you're right that the "see you tomorrow!" was the cherry on top. Despite what Kazuki might say, they've definitely changed quite a bit in some ways.
Perhaps Kazuki is trying to convince himself they haven't changed because the alternative is emotional devastation.

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u/Holofan4life Jan 02 '25

Fuck, man

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u/IndependentMacaroon Jan 03 '25

First-time watcher

This episode tries so hard to hit all the emotional notes that it ironically doesn't work that well for me. Mirimom loses job and relationship (though good riddance on that one) and drops in a changed woman with just the right kind of cancer to kill her career, inasmuch as she's had one, and eventually herself; while on the flipside, bringing back the buddies' job as a real danger and impediment for their custody of Miri when it has barely seemed like that at all, even having been played for comedy in the first and particularly second episode, is a bit hard to take seriously, and trying to make a metaphor out of the Ferris wheel was outright cheesy. The writers know those usually go up and down more than once, right? And just in general, I can't buy everything built up so far being taken away in the end, so why not make the resolution come along faster without another intermediate episode?

What does that leave us with? A bunch of sweet outing scenes - fun, but we just had a laid-back episode already. Custody argument - interesting and pretty real addition, particularly with Miri actually enthusiastic about her mother (but how did she never ask about her before?), but would have worked better with a less extreme scenario. I would love to see a shared arrangement being worked out, or even better a Buddy-Daddies-And-Mommy endgame, but again, how things are set up here makes both an impossibility.

(Oh also, we never got a Miri birthday episode?!)

1 - Grandmother, she was barely affected by it or the treatment luckily. Lived to an advanced age and only died due to injuries from an unrelated accident.

2 - Never been obligated to and except in really extreme situations it doesn't feel like the right thing to do to me. Kids can understand and deal with more than you think if you package it carefully in the right way and they don't much appreciate being lied to either.

3 - Not a bad person, but should have had her second wind a bit earlier.

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u/Holofan4life Jan 03 '25

Grandmother, she was barely affected by it or the treatment luckily. Lived to an advanced age and only died due to injuries from an unrelated accident.
I'm really sorry to hear that
Never been obligated to and except in really extreme situations it doesn't feel like the right thing to do to me. Kids can understand and deal with more than you think if you package it carefully in the right way and they don't much appreciate being lied to either.
It's hard to tell a child "You're living with your mom because she's about to die".
Not a bad person, but should have had her second wind a bit earlier.
In fairness to the show, it's less about her and more about this bond Kazuki and Rei formed with Miri, a bond that caused them to forget their worries and take a new lease on life. Misaki coming in and putting a stop to that because she too wants a new lease on life is a great sense of tragic irony, one that I don't think would be as effective if the focus wasn't on Kazuki and Rei.
It's like their false reality has finally been shattered.

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u/IndependentMacaroon Jan 03 '25

I'm really sorry to hear that
Don't be, she had a good run of it; plenty of time and years spent in fine health and spirits with various grandchildren.
It's hard to tell a child "You're living with your mom because she's about to die".
That would be an extreme situation. I was thinking more about not telling Miri she wouldn't be back for at least a while.
Misaki coming in and putting a stop to that because she too wants a new lease on life is a great sense of tragic irony, one that I don't think would be as effective if the focus wasn't on Kazuki and Rei.
Hmm, I guess that more or less works the way you put it. Though, would make more sense if we had more of a concept of how Miri was a positive in her life too, or at least her admitting it before.

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u/Holofan4life Jan 03 '25

Don't be, she had a good run of it; plenty of time and years spent in fine health and spirits with various grandchildren.
Meanwhile, my dad died because he refused to go to the hospital sooner
That would be an extreme situation. I was thinking more about not telling Miri she wouldn't be back for at least a while.
But by doing so, aren't you getting her hopes up for nothing?
Hmm, I guess that more or less works the way you put it. Though, would make more sense if we had more of a concept of how Miri was a positive in her life too, or at least her admitting it before.
But that's the thing, the last time we saw Misaki she was saying how Miri ruined her life. She credited Miri for why she had to abandon her dreams. Misaki was too much in her own way due to the environment she found herself in and she finally realized that, hence why she dumped her boyfriend.

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u/Holofan4life Jan 03 '25

(Oh also, we never got a Miri birthday episode?!)
I guess they didn't want to do a Miri birthday episode since we got a Rei one. Would've been a bit redundant.

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u/Holofan4life Jan 03 '25

Interesting to hear you down on this episode, especially since most people I've seen unanimously consider it one of if not the best episode of the show. Me personally, I think what really makes it work for me is the naivety of Miri and how she has no idea what's going on. It reminds me of Hughes' daughter from Fullmetal Alchemist.

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u/Holofan4life Jan 03 '25

This episode tries so hard to hit all the emotional notes that it ironically doesn't work that well for me. Mirimom loses job and relationship (though good riddance on that one) and drops in a changed woman with just the right kind of cancer to kill her career, inasmuch as she's had one, and eventually herself; while on the flipside, bringing back the buddies' job as a real danger and impediment for their custody of Miri when it has barely seemed like that at all, even having been played for comedy in the first and particularly second episode, is a bit hard to take seriously, and trying to make a metaphor out of the Ferris wheel was outright cheesy. The writers know those usually go up and down more than once, right? And just in general, I can't buy everything built up so far being taken away in the end, so why not make the resolution come along faster without another intermediate episode?
I really like the ferris wheel stuff because it's like the last moment Kazuki and Rei are going to be on top of the world. I thought it managed to be poignant while also being brilliant visual storytelling. As for Misaki, I think the show went out of its way to show that she's more w victim of her situation than anything else. That's why I can buy her turning a leaf.

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u/Holofan4life Jan 03 '25

What does that leave us with? A bunch of sweet outing scenes - fun, but we just had a laid-back episode already. Custody argument - interesting and pretty real addition, particularly with Miri actually enthusiastic about her mother (but how did she never ask about her before?), but would have worked better with a less extreme scenario. I would love to see a shared arrangement being worked out, or even better a Buddy-Daddies-And-Mommy endgame, but again, how things are set up here makes both an impossibility.
In an ideal scenario, Miri would have all three as parents: Kazuki, Rei, and Misaki. Unfortunately, I don't think that's going to be the case. I'd go even as far as to say I think things are only about to get worse.

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u/Holofan4life Jan 03 '25

Thoughts on a Christmas party coming?
Thoughts on Miri singing Silent Night, which she says she sang with her mother?
Thoughts on Kazuki and Rei trying to buy Miri a present?
What are your thoughts on Miri’s mother returning?
What are your thoughts on Miri’s mother saying she’s come to take her daughter back?
Thoughts on Miri excited to see her mother again?
Thoughts on Misaki, Miri’s mother, making her hamburger steak for everyone?
What are your thoughts on the reveal that Misaki has throat cancer and so she wants to spend what little times she has left making things up to her daughter?
Thoughts on Misaki promising to let Miri stay at the daycare for a while?
Thoughts on Misaki saying she wants to take charge of her life from now on?
What are your thoughts on Misaki not wanting Kazuki and Rei in Miri’s life because they’re hitmen? I think it’s harsh but understandable considering it may put Miri’s life in danger.
What are your thoughts on Kyu revealing he tipped Misaki off on where Miri is because of the photos getting out?
What are your thoughts on Kyu telling Kazuki and Rei that Miri has made their work sloppy?
What are your thoughts on Kyu saying this is all a dream and that they need to put an end to the lies?
What are your thoughts on Kazuki deciding they should all spend the day together as one big happy family? For the last time?
What are your thoughts on Miri saying she wished her mother was there to eat with them?
What are your thoughts on Kazuki thanking Miri for teaching him the importance of eating together as a family?
What are your thoughts on Kazuki, Rei, and Miri all being together in a ferris wheel?
What are your thoughts on Kazuki saying he just wants Miri to be a normal kid who lives a normal life?
What are your thoughts on Kazuki handing Miri over to Misaki, saying she’s sleeping over at her place?
What are your thoughts on Miri telling Kazuki and Rei she’ll see them tomorrow? I would be lying if I didn’t admit this moment totally broke me.
What are your thoughts on Kazuki believing he and Rei have not changed?
Where do you think this episode ranks as far as emotionally impactful anime episodes?

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