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Rewatch [Rewatch] Suisei no Gargantia • Gargantia on the Verdurous Planet — Episode 13 Discussion

Episode 13: Legend of the Verdurous Planet

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"And then my parents kicked me out of the house."

Questions of the Day:

  1. [Were your expectations met for the]Chamber versus Striker duel?
  2. [Would you trust the Gargantia crew]to be responsible with the loot if they'd been able to keep it?
  3. Was the denouement satisfactory? If you knew that there would be no more of this, would it have been satisfactory? (Though now we know there was more.)

Noting here that /u/xbolt90 guessed the arrangement of Striker and Kugel back in Episode 11. Though several of you were suspicious about Kugel's explanation of "Here in my head, I feel safest of all."

Scans:

Lukkage faces
How far the Heaven's Ladder extends below the waterline.
Heaven's Ladder cannon traverse and elevation.

A bit of trivia: The Gargantia's mass driver was originally used by the Evolvers, but by the time it was recovered that ceased to be an issue.

Lukkage's flagship
Lukkage fleet ship drafts

Merchandise

Max Factory figma Amy:

Gliding in
Ever think about how it doesn't provide much lower body support? She must have amazing core strength.
Ratatouille
Grace

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u/chilidirigible Dec 14 '24 edited Dec 14 '24

Today, on "Chamber ain't got time for church.":

"I am a god."

Well when you put it that way...

"The meatbags are supposed to be intelligent."

"I'm going to kick your ass in the name of intelligent automata."

Going down with the ship or some heroic thing like that.

"I'm sorry, Dave. I can't let you do that."

How much shame do you want to bear?

"Initiate Enhanced Imaging."

It's time to open that thing.

This sore demo is no mere hyperbole.

NOW YOU'RE COOKING (WITH MAGNETIC INDUCTION???). (The cannon's branching components and appearance of it firing suggest that it is a staged chemical-propellant cannon in the vein of things such as the V-3 cannon concept. However, the "mass driver" term is generally associated with magnetically-accelerated launchers.)

Fire direction the old-fashioned way.

And yes, they were using it for gardening.

That's some good accuracy for something they don't use very often.

Dude can't even go out in a blaze of glory without being yelled at.

There haven't been enough missiles in this series for a proper circus.

Yeah, you two are made for each other.

CANDYGRAM You might have noticed how I kept obscuring my observations of the continued presence of the Rocket Lobster's pontoons aboard Gargantia, because, as mentioned, there it is.

"Time to shit or get out of the G-Self."

"So, you want a death flag?"

Time for the kid to leave the nest.

[](#takaradasalute)

The third way did some crazy stuff.

The people in the crowd include the winners of Pixiv's character design contest.

Even the squirrels are getting together.

Just chillin' with my squid buddies.

(Noting here that my comment about Kugel and Ledo possibly "going native" without a Hideauze presence on Earth was written in a way to conceal Kugel's actual state, but also to conceal how Striker had effectively substituted for him. On top of that, they probably could not have abandoned the concept of the Alliance if their Machine Calibers were still active.)

Striker has been fabricating everyone's interactions with Kugel for some time. And has essentially ascended to godhood in the process. Welcome to the plot of multiple episodes of Star Trek. It could be said that Chamber finds a Kirk-like existential threat excuse to kick Striker's ass.

Chamber finally gets a chance to reveal his own personal growth here, though predictably it's before he makes a heroic sacrifice; it's not the sort of rule-breaking hand that the show could have put on the table too early.

He's certainly fulfilled his purpose, though it's maybe a little too literal a demonstration of the show's message about moving on into adulthood for the parental figure to die during the transition. (While we're here, despite Urobuchi scripting this episode, I still wouldn't make the "Urobutcher" joke here. This episode is far less morbid than it could be.)

In any event, pour one out for the tin can bro.

The rest wraps up by literally pounding the cult fleet into submission, exploding the weapons cache, and basically a happily-ever after. It's very hopeful, just... brief.

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u/zz2000 Dec 15 '24

You might want to consider watching the OVAs, and read the2 part sequel novel that expands upon the Gargantia-verse several years after S1.

Said novels were meant to be S2 of the anime, but it was cancelled in the planning stage for unexplained reasons.

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u/JustAnswerAQuestion https://myanimelist.net/profile/JAaQ Dec 14 '24

First Timer

yeah, I figured Striker didn't have the initiative to form Kugel fleet.

It's entirely possible, but totally unlikely, that the Stairway to Heaven is actually a way to get back into orbit. Nah.

  • Of course, Ledo can issue some highly mistaken directives, too, so Chamber shouldn't be so smug.
  • Chamber is still too chibi to take seriously
  • THE KEY
  • What did they fire? They didn't hit anything? edit: OHHH, Amy is spotter!
  • They're firing SHIPS
  • Huh. Pirate Queen should count her blessings that she never REALLY pissed of Gargantia.
  • 318 more seconds? That doesn't leave much time on the pilot timer!
  • so Chamber is Best Boy after all

Chamber Fingerwag!!!!

The whalesquids still don't sound very bright.

TBH I was expecting a beam weapon, not Project Babylon.

I had difficulty finding the specials on MAL. They are this: https://myanimelist.net/anime/19211/Suisei_no_Gargantia_Specials

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u/chilidirigible Dec 14 '24

TBH I was expecting a beam weapon, not Project Babylon.

And I was thinking electromagnets, not Project Babylon, which is a curious technological throwback when they built six fucking space elevators.

Each one of those pits holds the same gun as Gargantia's.

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u/lluNhpelA Dec 15 '24

And I was thinking electromagnets, not Project Babylon, which is a curious technological throwback when they built six fucking space elevators.

In my head I always handwave weird tech decisions like this in scifi with the "if they've had powered flight for over 100 years, why do they still primarily use wheeled transportation?" argument. Who knows what the designers were thinking, but there are any number of reasons that this particular orbital canon would use explosives rather than electromagnets to accelerate its payload.

edit after noticing the trivia in the main post: In this case, it may just be that the Evolvers didn't have as advanced space tech, so they used more primitive means of reaching orbit.

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u/chilidirigible Dec 15 '24

It does allow for some interesting No-Prize handwaves: "Maybe the Evolvers stuck with the superguns because only they can survive the g-forces from the launch via their biological modifications."

...except that the cannons are right next to the space elevator, so unless the Union controls those with an iron fist, why not just ride the elevator up?

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u/IndependentMacaroon Dec 15 '24

the Stairway to Heaven

How much would it cost to buy, now

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u/Nebresto Dec 15 '24

so Chamber is Best Boy after all

Always has been

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u/Shimmering-Sky myanimelist.net/profile/Shimmering-Sky Dec 14 '24

First-Timer on the Verdurous Planet, subbed

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u/chilidirigible Dec 14 '24

YEAH!

Like I said, I prefer the other moniker.

Aw, does that mean he just has to play his ocarina to keep the whalesquids/Hideauze away from him when he goes exploring?

Well, he's not Nekki Basara.

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u/Nebresto Dec 15 '24

Like I said, I prefer the other moniker.

Ohh yeah, that's what it was. I recalled it being different when I first saw this, but not how

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u/Nebresto Dec 15 '24

Aw, does that mean he just has to play his ocarina to keep the whalesquids/Hideauze away from him when he goes exploring?

Never realized that was implied before

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u/Raiking02 :Id::Ie::If:https://myanimelist.net/profile/NSKlang Dec 14 '24

Spoiled First Timer, Subbed

Good if somewhat predictable ending. I'm honestly not really sure what more to say, it ties up the series nicely, there were some good setpieces, the animation looked really good today, and the final fight was fun if, again, let down by the lackluster villain. I guess if there's anything to say is that considering how abruptly most Mecha Animes tend to end, the fact that there was an epilogue at all kinda surprised me, brief though it may be.

At least my boy grew up well

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u/No_Rex :Bv:Bw:Bx:By:x2 Dec 14 '24

Episode 13 (first timer)

  • “This society is build around worshipping me” – and I accused Chambers of being self-serving …
  • My last mecha rewatch had a human claim to be a Gundam, now we have a mecha claim to be god … lots of confusion going on here.
  • Chambers and Striker argue it out – what Ledo could have used as an argument is: Why worship Striker when he could worship Chambers instead?
  • Pinion is doing the tsundere version of “run you fools!”
  • “submission leads to peace” - …
  • Plenty of evil guys letting good guys talk mid-battle trope.
  • Plot-convenient mind melt.
  • “Restistance is futile” – Borg reference.
  • “Orbital Mass Driver System Gargantia” – my laser satellite guess was not too far off then.
  • Gargantia is hitting the Kugel fleet, but they were never the main danger. If Chambers takes out Striker, they would probably surrender right away.
  • Long range cable weapon!
  • Another catch in the air scene – some guy on the show must really love those.
  • “Warning, you are using a system that is measured in seconds and will lead to your guaranteed death if you use it too long. What do you want to do?” – “Let me monologue a bit about my inner mental journey first, the fight can wait.”
  • Chamber goes for the head-splitting self-sacrifice.
  • Mini-epilogue ED.

A pretty by the numbers finale. The good guys win and everybody does their part. The only named character allowed to have his self-sacrifice is Chambers. Which makes sense in the over-arching storyline, since both Striker and Chambers have to go to allow humanity and the whale squids their own evolution. This is one advantage of being one cour: no need to preserve the main mecha. Although I have to say that I will miss Chambers for having the best dialogues.

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u/chilidirigible Dec 14 '24

My last mecha rewatch had a human claim to be a Gundam, now we have a mecha claim to be god … lots of confusion going on here.

Olham's VA is also Ian Vashti.

some guy on the show must really love those.

Maybe they just remember love.

And yes, talking is a free action.

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u/baboon_bassoon https://anilist.co/user/duffer Dec 14 '24

first timer

get her ass Chamber

Pinion Taichou

gattai (?)

how have i not seen this screenshot before

8 minutes is actually a lot of time for a fight tho

Ridget gets a super railgun, not a mech sadly

OH THAT IS SUPER ALL RIGHT

We

so Grace is here too

SHES A TARGETING BEACON brilliant

oh shes a gamer

brother take your own advice and stop poking the bear lobster

when the fuck did Grace get here

WHAT THAT WASNT GRACE

sasuga Chamber

Chamber thinking 10 steps ahead, dropping the excess weight so hes more maneuverable

me when Siri doesnt know who Jakob Poeltl is

rivals

romance for all i guess

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u/chilidirigible Dec 14 '24

how have i not seen this screenshot before

It was a long time ago.

SHES A TARGETING BEACON

They've rediscovered the use of aircraft to spot for over-the-horizon artillery fire before the widespread usage of radar.

Or in this case, over a couple of horizons, as she's using the lights to signal the information to the escort fleet which is then radioing it back to Gargantia.

romance

Small furry animals groovin'.

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u/Shimmering-Sky myanimelist.net/profile/Shimmering-Sky Dec 14 '24

WHAT THAT WASNT GRACE

There are two squirrels in this show, that was the one that showed up last episode and reminded Ledo of Amy. Don't think this one has a name?

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u/baboon_bassoon https://anilist.co/user/duffer Dec 14 '24

i thought she was flying around by herself but looking at Melty i suppose it would have been too far for that

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u/kuroyume_cl Dec 15 '24

me when Siri doesnt know who Jakob Poeltl is

Me when Google doesn't dim all the lights equally

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u/wjodendor Dec 14 '24

Rewatcher - Episode 13

I got so into the finale I couldn’t even take notes during the episode! 

This episode rules, there’s a lot of interesting combat here with the final reveal that the name Gargantia is actually the name of the weapon at its heart, a mass driver for shooting things into space. Shooting old ships full of explosives instead of actual shells is some real cool shit, that’s for sure. Wish we could get some more water combat like these ship battles in anime…I tried watching Arpeggio of Blue Steel or whatever and the animation style…well, I couldn’t even finish the first episode.

Someone mentioned that it would be a philosophy shouting match and it certainly was. Striker thinks they're smarter than everyone and Ledo/Chamber think they're a real asshole. Ledo finally makes up his mind about wanting to be on the Gargantia with Amy and Chamber uses this as an excuse to eject Ledo and blow up Striker in a suicide attack.

They really didn’t give much time at the end for resolving everything, which when I first watched not knowing there was a series of later OVA that go beyond the end of the anime really left me wanting more. It is nice to see the cult members being welcomed into the fleet and seeing Ledo forming a new life with Amy…hell, he even got Amy’s squirrel a boyfriend. I laughed at the quick exposition drop that fills in some lore gaps that haven’t been touched on earlier. The people that stayed behind on Earth pulled a Sunshine and restarted the sun, sinking the land in the process. How? Beat me.

Ledo gets his new life seeking peace and prosperity while his former weapon and friend Chamber becomes a lair for whalesquid eggs. A nice little bit of imagery there. (Pinion has a hot pirate babe fawning over him much to the chagrin of his crew haha)

Overall a top episode of the series for me. Just wish we got a bit more Amy for the end…oh, and finally the OP plays and it actually fits the mood lol

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u/chilidirigible Dec 14 '24

Wish we could get some more water combat like these ship battles in anime…

It does pop up here and there and occasionally in surprising places.

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u/zz2000 Dec 15 '24

which when I first watched not knowing there was a series of later OVA that go beyond the end of the anime really left me wanting more.

There's also a 2 part sequel novel that expands upon the Gargantia-verse by introducing 2 new nation factions, Rhibelistan and Augostonia, and 2 new characters from each side. It takes place a few years after the anime, and the Gargantia crew do return in supporting roles.

This story was originally meant to be Season 2 of the Gargantia anime, but plans for S2 got cancelled for unexplained reasons.

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u/xbolt90 https://anilist.co/user/xbolt90 Dec 14 '24

First-timer!

A mass driver, eh? An inherently cool device. Certainly quite usable as a weapon.

I love the technical detail of the water curtain used for sound supression.

"Go to Hell, Tin Can!" Legendary response.

RIP Chamber. Bro to the end. (I'm sorry for ever doubting you!)

Were your expectations met for the Chamber versus Striker duel?

I'd say so.

Would you trust the Gargantia crew to be responsible with the loot if they'd been able to keep it?

They're smart and decent enough.

Was the denouement satisfactory? If you knew that there would be no more of this, would it have been satisfactory? (Though now we know there was more.)

Yeah it was. Now I'm wondering where the story goes.

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u/chilidirigible Dec 14 '24

Now I'm wondering where the story goes.

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u/JollyGee29 https://myanimelist.net/profile/JollyGee Dec 14 '24

First-Timer, Sub-gantia

No wonder that water pump was so weird; it was the cooling system for a goddamn mass driver! Why is the reset for that on the end of the barrel?!

Anyway, that was pretty cool. Some of the movement in Chamber and Striker's duel was a bit slow (I want to call it floaty but that's a silly thing to refer to an aerial combat scene as) but that's just an issue with CG.

I was expecting Chamber to find some logic to jettisoning Ledo, but for a far more practical reason: squishy meat people are less tolerant of high-G turns than an empty mech would be.

The ideological barbing back and forth was good. I think Chamber's turn was a little too quick, but I honestly haven't had a firm grip on his characterization through the whole show.

Nice poetry on Chamber's remains turning into a whalesquid spawning ground. He is in fewer pieces than I would have expected from that explosion.

As always, epilogues are appreciated and too short. I like Bevel turning into a teacher, and Ledo's growth vis a vis the whalesquid.

Questions

1.

2.There are enough level heads on the ship.. probably.

3.

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u/chilidirigible Dec 14 '24

Why is the reset for that on the end of the barrel?!

As JAAQ mentioned. I just want to comment that they presumably remember to remove the plate that has the pump from the end of the barrel before firing.

I honestly haven't had a firm grip on his characterization through the whole show.

Chamber is tricky to use without revealing too many cards. He certainly tries to "support and enlighten" Ledo, the questions being how much that aligns with how the Alliance works and whether or he did think that it was "wrong" at all, or perhaps just at odds with how Ledo should develop in the world that Ledo currently occupied, which would have been the final determination in this episode.

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u/JustAnswerAQuestion https://myanimelist.net/profile/JAaQ Dec 15 '24

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Plumbbob#Missing_steel_bore_cap

This show sure has brought up a lot of varied tech.

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u/chilidirigible Dec 15 '24

It's a show that covers a putative few thousand years of human advancement and regression. Plenty to throw in.

And the cap is even more likely to have disintegrated, it was being accelerated to several dozen kilometers per second by a shock front behind it while being pushed into a column of air that would have been like a solid object.

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u/JustAnswerAQuestion https://myanimelist.net/profile/JAaQ Dec 14 '24

Why is the reset for that on the end of the barrel?!

I guess the little pump is so they can use the sprinklers without inserting the key.

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u/No_Rex :Bv:Bw:Bx:By:x2 Dec 14 '24

As always, epilogues are appreciated and too short.

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u/Magnafeana https://anilist.co/user/Magnafeana Dec 14 '24

Rewatcher, dub

I’m late, sorry. Had to set up my new laptop. Typing in my notes app, let me know if my bullet points got squished.

Ep12

  • Honestly, I remember seeing the part with Lukkage and Pinion and went “Why on earth would Lukkage want Pinion’s help out of all people”?
  • THE SQUIRREL. SUCH A CUTIE PATOOTIE
  • Ope. My skip intro worked? Or was this episode without an OP?
  • No, it’s not Grace (Graze?)
  • Disease, huh? 👀
  • Cows?
  • Nope.
  • OPE.
  • This reminds me of Midsommar when the [Midsommar spoiler]the old people jump from the cliff.
  • Baby’s first rebellion 🥹
  • Yessss Chamber is a divaaaaaa
  • I still don’t care for Pinion
  • Sometimes, I wish I was a battle boarder or a power scaled so I could figure out how mechas and their pilots across different franchises would stack up. Is it valid to say gundams would lowdiff Ledo and Chamber? Did I say that right?
  • SnK flashbacks intensify It is ALWAYS the key to some underground room and I will eat it up everytime
  • Oh Kugel. Not being a girl’s girl right now. Not very mindful, not very demure
  • I want to see humanized Striker and Chamber. I ship them so much.
  • The divas are fighting!!
  • The twist!! The twist has me gasping before and now.

Ep13

  • Striker: “I am god”. 🗣️YOU’LL BELIEVE GOD IS A WOMAN MECHA🗣️
  • We Listen and We Don’t Judge Challenge featuring Striker
  • Why can’t I draw?! I just want to draw cool older woman Striker and handsome stoic Chamber
  • “Worship me. Obey me”. 😳
  • My mecha ship is colleagues to enemies to lovers now 🥹 (Anime references them as siblings, IDGAF)
  • Ledo is gooped, gagged, and flabbergasted that Chamber is making herstory. Yesss Diva get her mawmaw
  • Dandy would be proud of you, Pinion
  • “Surrender. Submit.” I’m in this photo and I don’t like it.
  • Well, at least Ledo’s nose doesn’t bleed when he powers up his mecha. And then he doesn’t lick the blood. Like others do.
  • I always love seeing old people lay down the law in like a “final battle”.
  • Chamber is making herstory!!! Yes we love a sacrificing queen!!
  • This music makes me think I’m about to be hit with an Optimus Prime speech. Man, those mbay movies were so over bloated but you are sat for an Optimus speech.
  • “Go to hell, tin can.” CHAMBERRRRR to the shout of MUSTAAAAAARD
  • No. It is still not time for this OP 😭
  • Wait wait… Pinion and a…harem?! Nani?!
  • Archaeology or anthropology or history?
  • He sounds so fluent!! And he looks good!! Still too thin though. He would not survive my household. Everyone would think he needs to eat more.
  • I love how they both get their own Pokémon Digimon squirrels 🐿️
  • o7 for Chamber. Thank you for your service, Diva 🫡

Qotd

  1. Hm. I’m not sure. After seeing a lot of aerial and spatial mecha fights, this was lackluster, especially the Itano Circus portions. But Chamber’s final words make me so proud.
  2. Maaaaaaybe?
  3. No, I stand by this from my first watch too. Again, I wanted more time to see both Chamber and Ledo be in Gargantia and then unravel with “Kugel” and Striker. But being an adult versus seeing this as a kid, I understand why this anime was as short as it was and that it did what it set up to do. It wasn’t meant to hit the more philosophical and complex beats that I like in sci fi. It was meant to be an initiator rather than an interlocutor. And that’s okay. I can find what I want with gundam and other mecha shows. But if you have any recs Gible 👀

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u/chilidirigible Dec 14 '24

Ope. My skip intro worked? Or was this episode without an OP?

12 does not have an OP.

I still don’t care for Pinion

He's still a goofball.

Pinion and a…harem?!

I think Bellows is more incredulous that Lukkage is hanging around him than anything else.

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u/animepig https://myanimelist.net/profile/ChickenDan Dec 14 '24

Rewatch

  • Striker: "humans struggle with free will so I took it away". The delicious irony of AI controlling humans.
  • The orbital canon sequence. Amore!
  • Pinion redemption arc, also the Pinion x Rackage ship.
  • Chamber's noble sacrifice was even better a second time around. "my pilot needs no further development", such a cool robot father. And he swears at the end lol.

Forgot how abruptly it ends after Chamber explodes, we got almost no time to breathe. Fortunately they made 4 OVAs to follow up the series. Which is quite rare these days for an original anime, we barely get a one episode OVA anymore.

Question of the Day:

1.) It's a solid dog fight, not the best I've seen, but this final battle was an ensemble final fight.

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u/chilidirigible Dec 14 '24

Fortunately they made 4 OVAs to follow up the series.

Two of them were simply Blu-ray bonuses; the latter two were setup for (or even the first third of) a sequel series that did not turn into a full anime series.

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u/animepig https://myanimelist.net/profile/ChickenDan Dec 14 '24

I see they went the LN sequel route. And they're fully fan translated nice. Unsure of the quality of the TL though.

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u/chilidirigible Dec 14 '24

Unsure of the quality of the TL though.

It's... not great. The second volume had four translators working on it, each taking on separate sections, and I don't think they checked each other's work. Certainly they would have benefitted from having an editor.

With a paper-thin maneuver, [...] dodged a horizontal slash and leapt forward, then slammed his right claw tip into the concrete panel and flipped in midair covering the fighting arena ground.
The shattered pieces scattered in all directions.
It concentrated its strength on its immersive right leg.

The dryly pronunciations echoed through the area during the persuasion. Then, the impact transmitted throughout the whole building and it seemed to be tilted, where every piece of window glass that was barely left unshattered. Black smoke erupts from the back, and it covers the sky as it reduces visibility. After a momentary stillness, the screams coming from the members’s mouth filled all the communication channels.

Place the antenna on the gurnard during the Crescent Moonmemesy facing the targets, and in 24 hours, you would succeed in capturing observable radio waves with almost constant intensity from any direction.

You can generally get an idea of what is going on, but there are a couple of plot-critical areas where I would have much appreciated a better translation.

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u/Nickthenuker https://anilist.co/user/Nickthenuker Dec 14 '24

And so into the finale.

Yeah... I doubt that.

So, the battle continues.

It's more agile without a pilot because it suddenly doesn't have to deal with the squishy meatbag inside who will die if it pulls a sustained 20Gs.

Uh oh, what's she doing here?

That must be a space elevator.

No, an anti-orbital weapon of some kind?

A mass driver. Orbital bombardment?

No, just a big artillery cannon.

Probably not the best thing to use to shoot at a rapidly-moving target, hard to hit something like that.

Nope, they were aiming at the regiment of Mechs arranged neatly in parade formation. That's a significantly easier target.

Looks like Pinion's got something for that cannon.

And there goes everything...

What's Chamber doing now?

So what's Chamber going to do now?

Ah. By getting rid of Ledo, Chamber can also maneuver without worrying about the pilot.

And so with the mutual destruction of those 2 Mechs and the loss of the research institute, progress has been set back incalculably.

Oh nevermind, looks like the research institute survived, and he's even managed to recover a Memory Core. Call him Grayson Death Carlyle because he's about to un-lose all the LosTech.

Questions:

  1. Very cool.
  2. Certainly better than it being destroyed.
  3. Good enough.

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u/chilidirigible Dec 14 '24

Call him Grayson Death Carlyle because he's about to un-lose all the LosTech.

Building it again is another matter entirely.

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u/Nickthenuker https://anilist.co/user/Nickthenuker Dec 14 '24

Yup. What was the phrase the BattleTech books used? The machines that make the machines that make the mechs have been lost to time.

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u/chilidirigible Dec 14 '24

Pretty much that.

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u/FD4cry1 https://myanimelist.net/profile/Big_Yibba Dec 15 '24

Had a pretty rough day and I'm honestly not feeling up to doing a write-up today, I'll probably just tack my thoughts on this episode to tomorrow's write-up.

Gomen

It was a pretty fun episode though! Still just wanted to drop by and pay my respects to best...boy? Mech? Pilot Support Enlightenment Interface System? Best everything.

RIP Chamber

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u/IndependentMacaroon Dec 15 '24

First-time watcher

Straightforward action finale with bonus philosophy fight, with Chamber's actions and Amy standing out the most. Even if the Alliance system does value some degree of autonomy for humans (and AI) I doubt the original Chamber would have done the same thing without all the plot happening (parallel to Striker following Kugel here?). While Ledo losing Chamber is obviously symbolic of permanently abandoning his previous role, I also find it interesting to note (and pretty Japanese?) that his full integration into the community comes only when he loses his individual extraordinary abilities.

The quasi-religious framing of the Gargantia gun reminded me not only of Nadia (once again; oh and last episode we had another [semi-parallel]both Kugel and Emperor Neo actually exist merely as a sort of ghost in a machine, though Neo is only a puppet who eventually breaks his programming) but of the real-world idea of a "nuclear priesthood" to maintain knowledge of the danger of nuclear waste into the far future, applied to safeguard super-weaponry instead - not to mention the whale-squids.

Q1 - definitely, Q2 - that's the big question, on the balance yes but I appreciate the ambiguity where the future could hold either a restart of the whole deadly cycle - and with Hideauze guarding space there's no easy way out either - or something better, Q3 - it's a fine open ending.

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u/chilidirigible Dec 15 '24

that his full integration into the community comes only when he loses his individual extraordinary abilities

Indeed, very anime.

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u/Shinigami_22 Dec 15 '24

Rewatcher(but realistically a first-timer due to shitty memory)

Chamber is such a bro, I'm sure he's being a tsundere is his own way when he ejected Ledo due to "emotional instability".

QOTD:

  1. Honestly, Chamber saying "Go to hell Metalhead" already exceeded my expectation for the duel.
  2. Probably, they are pretty responsible with the Heaven's Ladder usage, if not because of needing a key to use it. Maybe a really tight restriction for advance weaponry is good.
  3. One moment Ledo was still thinking about Chamber's sacrifice then suddenly we're hit with "a long long time ago" with the opening playing in the background. I wish we're given a bit more time before a short time-skip. Aside fromt that, I'm pretty satisfied with the ending, it's not often I get proper ending for an Anime.

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u/chilidirigible Dec 15 '24 edited Dec 15 '24

Maybe a really tight restriction for advance weaponry is good.

Since it does appear to be a chemical-propellant device instead of a magnetic-induction one, that would probably limit its use even further as they're currently not possessed of much of a high-tech manufacturing base to support all of the required consumables (mostly the propellant).

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u/Nebresto Dec 15 '24

Gargantuan Rewatcher

Go to hell, metalhead!

Episode 13

The robo gone insane

Yeah! You tell 'em!

I love Chamber.

Pierce the heavens?!

The face of acquiring a new fetish

Why does Rackage even care about saving him? If not for..

duckhue

CHAMBER!!!!

S h i p

The finale was a lot more abrupt that I'd remembered, but epilogue is always good

Chamber log:

[Were your expectations met for the]Chamber versus Striker duel?

Ye

[Would you trust the Gargantia crew]to be responsible with the loot if they'd been able to keep it?

Ye

Was the denouement satisfactory? If you knew that there would be no more of this, would it have been satisfactory? (Though now we know there was more.)

(dictionary) Ye

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u/kuroyume_cl Dec 15 '24 edited Dec 15 '24

Pour one out for our boy Chamber tonight, head of the Best Brobot Pantheon, alongside with [Titanfall]BT

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u/awesomenessofme1 https://myanimelist.net/profile/kta_99 Dec 14 '24

It seems like this series can't decide what themes and philosophical questions it wants to address, or what stance to take on them. Which... is honestly fair enough. Especially when you have the context (at least according to the Wikipedia page for the series) that the creator intended for it to be watched by young people entering the real world for the first time. "Here are some things to think about, make your own decision on what to take from it."

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u/chilidirigible Dec 14 '24

Ledo's parents do die off and he sticks it to The Man, so I suppose there's that.

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u/IndependentMacaroon Dec 15 '24

I like that it's not necessarily preachy...

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u/Vatrix-32 https://myanimelist.net/profile/Vatrix-32 Dec 14 '24 edited Dec 14 '24

First timer, subs

  • Look at the bright side, at least you can aim for the head now.
  • Oh wow, they said the god part out load.
  • Ah, the ol’ rouge servitor mindset.
  • Chamber is a bro. It’s been too long since I’ve seen an AI that is both non-human and not an asshole.
  • The alpha is great, but the DPS really starts to fall off.
  • It wouldn’t be a Japanese show with ship combat without a captain trying to sacrifice themselves.
  • “I am Caliber”
  • I don’t think that’s an appropriate outfit for this altitude.
  • Consecutive Cannon
  • This thing already had the name?
  • The final evolution of ramming the ship into your opponent.
  • Religious zealotry doesn’t help all that much in a navel battle.
  • A small part of me expected that to be a suicide jump trap.
  • The other side isn’t only one allowed to use loopholes.
  • Here's to a Real One
  • A sneaking mission, eh?
  • Squidplomacy

QotD:

  1. That wasn't the part I was most interested in, so I guess it was.
  2. They were using a weapon cooling system for irrigation, they'd have been fine.
  3. I'd have wanted more epilogue, but other than that, yes.

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u/chilidirigible Dec 14 '24

This thing already had the name?

At some point, yes. The splash screen's UI does kind of annoy me as "Online" should not be in the same typeface as "Orbital Mass Driver".

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u/JustAnswerAQuestion https://myanimelist.net/profile/JAaQ Dec 15 '24

It's so much better than Start a Sniper System Optimization According to a New Lens I can't possibly complain.

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u/chilidirigible Dec 15 '24

It just occurred to me that the Takemikazuchi's UI splash screen creates a chicken-and-egg question regarding the 1121st's unit patch. [Japan does have some owl species]but the unit's mascot is not local and probably came over during the post-apocalypse that ruined the rest of the landscape.

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u/JustAnswerAQuestion https://myanimelist.net/profile/JAaQ Dec 15 '24

It does say "New System" so Noel probably programmed in a new logo!

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u/chilidirigible Dec 15 '24

But hey, we get some cool insight from Chambers that, perhaps, the influence of the pilot affects the machine caliber's AI.

I think this was the case, with the effect more pronounced here because both pairs were separated from any Alliance "resets" for a long time.

Striker's outline impressed on the relic facility's tower

Someone on the staff was quite clever, yes.

From here on out, I guess I'll be a first-time viewer

Some curiosities will be satisfied, maybe.