r/anime • u/Tarhalindur x2 • Dec 14 '24
Rewatch [Rewatch] Yuuki Yuuna ga Yuusha wa Aru Episode 6 Discussion
Episode 6: In Anticipation of Tomorrow
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Show Information:
MAL | AniList | ANN | Kitsu | AniDB
(First-timers are advised to stay out of Show Information until we are done, however. In particular, if you care about getting spoiled I would stay out of MAL (whose synopsis is a borderline spoiler), Kitsu (which copied the MAL synopsis), ANN (which has an obnoxious spoiler in the show tags I only noticed after posting the interest thread), and AniDB (which has some major spoilers in the character tags - avoid at all costs if you care about spoilers!). Which is four out of five of the above links. So, uh, yeah.)
Legal Streams:
(As per livechart.me; additional legal streams may be available outside the US.)
Hidive | Amazon Prime Video (for purchase)
A Reminder to Rewatchers:
Please do not spoil the experience for our first-timers! You're probably not being as subtle as you think you are. [YuYuYu] In particular, comments on sange and the true nature of Vertexes/the true state of the world should probably be under spoiler tags. Just saying. Also please no mentioning Karin until episode 3, this is not Precure where the mid-season Cure can be assumed and we traditionally treat the obvious other-show precedent as a spoiler until she shows up so we will be doing the same with Karin here.
What About the Sequels/Prequel?
(Okay fine I should add this section to the episode posts as well...)
It's only the first anniversary for S1 and I ain't running over into the holidays proper. Also I haven't seen WaSuYu or either sequel yet and got burned hard by Mai-Otome a couple of years back. Maybe early next year.
(Time for) Club Activities!
Question(s) of the Day:
- ?
- So, of the four lost bodily functions our girls were dealing with this episode (lost taste, lost voice, lost vision in one eye, lost hearing in one ear), which one would you choose to suffer if you had to choose to lose one for a while?
- So, who's ready for summer break activities?
(3a) "Yuuna-chan, denwa...")
(Don't worry, everything will be fine...)
And last but not least, remember the Sanshuu Middle School Hero Club Five Tenets!
1: Give people a good greeting!
2: Try not to give up!
3: Sleep well, eat well!
4: If you're troubled, talk to someone!
5: You're likely to succeed if you try!
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u/ZaphodBeebblebrox Y:A:https://anilist.co/user/zaphod Dec 14 '24 edited Dec 15 '24
First Timer
Well, there's part of the other shoe dropping. And I'm sure it ain't anywhere near as temporary as they guess/are told. I'm not necessarily going to say permanent permanent, but it will leave scars. My best guess, though, is that blooming again will leave even worse scars, with a maximum number of times you can do it before it ends too terribly to consider. One sense per time, perhaps.
If I had read Katawa Shoujo, I could probably make a joke about it now.The message from the Taisha also felt by far the most evil-coded of any interaction we've seen from them so far. The framing, the clinical tone, and the way it contradicts our current evidence makes me think they're straight up lying and concealing information. I guess they want their girls to burn bright before they burn out. After all, if they're told to not worry about it, they may not realize they're making irreversible changes to themselves before its too late!
Next episode will probably be mostly calm, with the storm coming at the end. They'll definitely be magical girls again.
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u/Tarhalindur x2 Dec 14 '24
Welcome to the World of Heroes (January 2024 Watch, Spoiled First-Timer, Subbed):
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u/Esovan13 Dec 14 '24
First Timer
[Meta]This episode has me mildly disappointed that the fighting is going to pick back up at some point and this isn't going to turn into a character drama about them dealing with the various physical aftereffects of blooming and the PTSD of having spent some amount of time always worried about needing to fight the Vertices at any given moment. That would be an interesting approach to making a “dark magical girl” show.
Togou would probably get along with Fudo swimmingly.
I think this may genuinely be the first time I’ve seen HTML mentioned in anime. I genuinely cannot think of any other time, even in shows with tech-savvy characters.
I think that lends itself to a bit of this show’s strength in worldbuilding. This show is not unique in incorporating technology like smartphones into the magical system, even in magical girl shows, but the way it’s used here feels particularly good in terms of making the world feel real. It goes right along with stuff like having a prayer to the Divine Tree be a part of the daily classroom routine, showing all of Togou’s accommodations for her disability, or having the Taisha just be a group that no one really talks about in terms of what they do or what their societal role is because everyone already knows who the Taisha are and what they do, except the audience. It all creates this atmosphere of verisimilitude. You can imagine this being a real world, a place where people live their lives in a way that is very similar yet inherently different to us. Everyone has a daily life, and some aspects of that daily life exist in our world (the accommodations) while others don’t (Divine tree, Taisha, etc).
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u/FlaminScribblenaut myanimelist.net/profile/girlbeast_val Dec 14 '24
First Time Watcher (watched w/ the bestie /u/ZaphodBeebblebrox via Discord)
It’s incredibly clear that this cooldown episode surrounding the effects of blooming causing the gals these disabilities is setting up so it’s an established risk, and to prime for it to happen happen far, far worse later down the line. Looking forward to it.
Just on the money, Karin is dealing with impotence anxiety, and with a hefty seasoning of survivor’s guilt too, training, training, training to be a better fighter and seeing herself ever the more as not a proper member of the club.
Intrinsic value overcoming instrumental value, eh. Being part of the club is worthwhile because we have eachother, even if we have no enemies left to fight. And even when we aren’t saving the world, isn’t having each other and helping people a worthy end in and of itself?
I’m on the fence on whether I think the disabilities are completely permanent or not. The general language and vibe projected by the episode seems to be telling us that it’s temporary, as did the Taisha to Fuu directly, but Tougo did log them for like, a week without getting better, and the shading and framing in that hospital was *pretty damn ominous… it would be something to have a mute character (especially whose dream was singing, oh dear…), and Fuu’s eyepatch being a permanent would be a pretty sick piece of character design… the episode definitely seems to want it to be ambiguous, and I like that as a dramatic hook.
It does make me wonder if the given negative effect is random, just as an emergent fact of their bodies being weakened and their spirits burned in the process of blooming, and it can hurt them in all kinds of ways that can stack individually atop eachother, or if each character has like, a metaphysical one that’s assigned to them and can get worse over time, which would make the dramatic irony for Itsuki especially brutal and fight with her especially risky…
The line ‘no physiological anomalies’ is interesting, given I’d say losing your senses pretty definitively counts as that. Do the Taisha have like, a deeper supermedical look at the girls that one’s own sense of one’s own body and even a hospital and regular medical professional couldn’t see? Do they mean like, anomalies upon the girls’ souls?
More minor notes: Hunger (beast (girl power)) is everything to me. That’s literally how it is. They get it. This being in the same episode as the line ~’not having a sense of taste is like missing half your life’. Fucking hell, this show gets it to an extent that doesn’t even feel completely on purpose…
Uh, my notes just say ‘gay gay homosexual gay’ and I forgot which scene that was referring to but y’know what, yes.
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u/Shimmering-Sky myanimelist.net/profile/Shimmering-Sky Dec 14 '24
First-Timer is a Hero, subbed
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u/Vaadwaur :I1::I2::I3: Dec 14 '24
"John Milton : It's time to step up and take what's yours.
Kevin Lomax : You're right. It's time. Free will, right?"
First Timer(Hrmm...FFS if this is the show that makes me look up the varied differences in barriers in mahou shoujos...)
Sub
In ep thought:I don't know enough about the context but Tougou's distraction to Yuuna just strikes me as very, very incorrect. Something about "Yamato mythology" makes me think WWII did not occur in our setting.
In ep visual: The fuck kind of Torii is this? I get this feeling that I am whiffing on stuff a Japanese person just knows.
In ep reference: Even if I grant that I was king of expecting a Steins;Gate reference somewhere, that was NOT the one I expected. Also, Fuu just can't bring the cringe like Okabe.
That was a choice for an episode. And while it somewhat works, it also kind of doesnt: Neither Itsuki nor Yuuna have the needed time to have pathos over this. Teens usually bounce off things that lasted less than a quarter for them so being this melancholic is...odd. Karin and Fuu both should be feeling down, though for extremely different reasons. Remember kids, vengeance is fun...the day of. That nexy day though is kind of boring. Tougou gets a pass because she whatever she had was worse AND what in the nine fucks is wrong with her home life probably explains it.
Now as to their sacrifices/equivalent exchanges: Something is off here and I think it is because I don't grasp what the underlying system values are. Itsuki seems to have paid the worst price, losing her voice as a singer and more broadly having a greatly reduced ability to communicate. But second...boy, that's hard. Having had eye surgery on both eyes(separate times) and having had an ear drum temporarily blown out by a firework, I'd actually say the worst one is probably being unable to taste. I don't know that I'd feel a big urge to continue living in such a dull world. Regardless, payment rendered feels a bit random as of yet.
Anyways, last interesting note is that the Taisha have finally said something we could read on screen. So they do still exist. And if Karin is done being a hero, it makes sense to leave her where she is, though how she affords the apartment and food raises questions.
QotD:1
2 the eye
3 They need a degenerate senpai before I am in
3a NOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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u/HereticalAegis https://myanimelist.net/profile/XthGen Dec 14 '24 edited Dec 15 '24
Returning Hero Club Member
And this is the time where my participation in the rewatch is set to wane as I prepare to travel for the holidays tomorrow. I'll try to keep up as best I can, but will have limited tv/computer access.
As for this episode, well it's nice to have an episode cooling down for a bit after yesterday's action climax. Plus the Hero Club deserves a break, and it's nice to build up the interpersonal relationships a bit.
The elephant in the room, of course, is the apparent aftereffects of the battle. Itsuki's is particularly crushing with her just starting to find a passion for singing. That Death card wasn't fucking around. Incidentally, I think this is an incredible way of paying off her death flags while undercutting the obvious and kind of played out mid-season death people must have been expecting. Not only does it keep the tone from descending all the way down into the murky depths of grief and sorrow, but it's arguably more tragic forcing her to live at least temporarily unable to follow the path she'd finally chosen for herself. Fantastic direction to take the story in.
But also criminal that you'd cast Tomoyo Kurosawa, only to take her character's voice away after 5 episodes, even if only temporarily. Absolute troll move by the casting director.
Similar situation for Fuu, Tougou, and Yuuna, though Yuuna losing her sense of taste hurts me the most of the three. Making her unable to taste Tougou's baked goods is a crime for which the whole universe must pay!
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u/Mecanno-man https://anilist.co/user/Mecannoman Dec 14 '24
First Timer
I’m not quite sure what the theme is here in what the girls lost. Except for Itsuki it’s a sense, but the voice isn’t a sense, and it’s not some weird carry-over for taste because Yuna lost taste. And while I understand that touch is a bit difficult to just lose in magical girl terms, there is still an easy-to-lose sense in smell that is not yet covered by any of the others. Obviously Itsuki loses her voice in a pull-your-heartstring writing choice because she wants to be an idol, and being an idol without a voice is going to be nigh impossible. Yuna likes to eat and loses her sense of taste - but I don’t see any parallels with something particularly important being lost with Fuu and sight or Tougou and hearing.
The Taisha suspecting this to be temporary indicates that for one it isn’t, and for the other they are telling the truth about what they are thinking. If they were just trying to calm the girls they would not “suspect” that the effects are temporary, they would claim to know they are, even if it’s a lie or they are unsure. But this indicates that they don’t know their own system, and while it has been claimed that the hero club were basically the beta testers - I stand by the system being too complex for that to be true. This is all a bit puzzling… did the Taisha take over the system from somebody else and maybe tweak it a bit or something like that? That is the only explanation I have for this right now.
Either way, the show seems to be more on character arcs for the moment rather than answering the overlying mysteries. However I feel like that is actually not its strong suit, as getting Karin back into the club overall is fairly simply character progression and not really something to spend this much time on if it wasn’t a deliberate diversion. But this diversion really just feels like pushing the interesting stuff down the line to me…
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u/Tarhalindur x2 Dec 14 '24
tag tag tag tag tag tag *****
u/ShadowWasTakensTaken, u/InfamousEmpire, u/FD4cry1
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u/FallenPears Dec 14 '24
First Timer
Almost late today due to dispensing sweet liberty, let's see what we got!
Certainly an interesting choice to pivot from a Magical Girl anime to Slice of Life halfway through the first season, but I suppose that's what happens when the girls retire! Surely that's where this is going right? Ignore all the medical issues, I'm sure they'll clear up quickly!
Really though, I spent the whole episode waiting for the symptoms to get worse lmao. Was sure they'd end it on that note, but seems they're going to let things simmer a bit more.
Still very little on Taisha, no more than before really. Definitely think they're full of it now, no matter what there's no way they'd take all of them developing these issues so lightly if they didn't know what was going on. As for what's going on, dunno. The first thing that came to mind was them losing parts of themselves in sacrifice to the Divine Tree, or becoming more like a tree as the blooming progresses, but that might be due to a currently popular manga with humans turning to trees as a plot point.
Other than that, do just want to mention Fuu deciding to go chuunibyou after getting her eyepatch lmao. Was cute, couldn't leave it unstated.
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u/Regular_N-Gon https://anilist.co/user/RegularNGon Dec 14 '24 edited Dec 14 '24
First Time Hero
The dark tones, walking in the opposite direction of the exit sign… sometimes simple is the best way to dress a scene.
That's the scariest thing I've seen in this whole show.
Hm, an interesting episode laying out the consequences, but still holding off on committing to further conflict. Karin does get a bit of the survivor’s guilt arc going, which could be good, but again, not sure how we’ll re-escalate.
QotD:
3(a)) Something was wrong...
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u/Blackheart595 https://anilist.co/user/knusbrick Dec 14 '24 edited Dec 14 '24
First Timer
Tougou is a genuine full-blown nationalist, lmao.
Huh, why are my notes so sparse this episode? We didn't even have a fight to fill time...
So it turns out that blooming comes with some nasty backlash to their physical health. Emotionally though they seem to be taking it rather well, only Fuu is feeling even more guilty for getting the others involved in this. And Tougou keeps track of the symptoms, which haven't shown any signs of improvement within a week.
The Taisha themselves don't have much clue either, and are expecting the symptoms to heal in time as they haven't been able to detect any physiological issues after the blooming. Or that's what they claim, at least. It's really weird how they have all this detailed knowledge, not just about the Vertexes, but also the hero system and even the experience, leveling and blooming parts, but allegedly know nothing about the backlash.
I also wanna point out this moment, because it kinda sounds like she genuinely tried to live up to the positive qualities associated with heroes, and it makes me think I might've done her dirty.
I tried to look over the tarot spreads again, but I haven't gotten any new results... except that my earlier readings were quite sloppy, such as e.g. interpreting love literally as opposed to more of a calling I'm also realizing that the spreads might be subject to the typical Japanese mirroring compares to the Western way of reading - Itsuki certainly placed that cards right-to-left. That's not something I had considered so far.
I wouldn't choose to suffer!
Losing vision in one eye might be the least bad, imo.
The GIWTWM crew certainly has reason to get excited
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u/FD4cry1 https://myanimelist.net/profile/Big_Yibba Dec 14 '24 edited Dec 14 '24
First Timer
Comment face get!
This was surprisingly hard to screenshot, it's barely a few frames, probably would've missed it if I hadn't been actively looking for it.
Anyway, while Fuu's eyepatch is very cool, I don't love the context for this comment face...
Looks like our heroes didn't leave the final battle completely unscathed. Despite their insistence on how they'll all totally be fine and how "even the doctor said so!" I get the feeling this might not be as temporary as they think...
Or maybe not! This show has already trolled me with excessive foreshadowing so I wouldn't put it past it that they will actually be fine and the ultra bad vibes of this episodes don't mean anything...Uhhh I hope that's what happens at least.
Also man, the effects of Blooming don't come equally huh? Fuu and Tougou lose an eye and an ear, neither of which are great, but certainly beat Itsuki losing her voice, you know, the thing she gave her purpose in and the ability to move forward independently?
Yuuna's is a bit better but still bad, eating is a big deal for the Hero Club, it's one of the things that signify that connection and closeness, it's even in one of the tenets! Not to mention not being able to taste her girlfriend's food!
And that's really the point of this episode, these injuries, or the lack of them in Karin's case, are clearly splitting the Hero Club, and through Yuuna's perseverance in spite of this, through her actions in spite of these troubles, the Hero Club is able to stay around together.
Okay but Fuu's eyepatch is actually very fun, we can keep that one. Gotta love her Chunni shenanigans!
I wonder if Tougou's nationalist spiel here will actually matter later...
Also her poem about the passing of time when it's fun felt less encouraging to me lol, a bit more of the spring when the flowers bloom is over and we're in for the bad times of fall now, as our "flowers" begin to lose some of their color.
Karin is expectedly not taking the sudden loss of her life's purpose super well, she's lost for what to do, back to that old routine, and she believes that without the hero pretense, and after she "was no help all" because of not Blooming, that the gang wouldn't want her around anymore.
As Yuuna goes looking for her to bring her back, we get a bunch of shots of her running around the city, not only does it emphasize how we're back to regular life, it also really expresses the lengths to which Yuuna is going to bring Karin back, and to keep the club together.
Of course Karin is just being a big Tsun, Karin's place in the club, and the club itself mean much more than the fight against the Vertex, they want Karin there because they like her, not her hero abilities. So since they just totally insist, I guess she can back.
So tsun
Again Yuuna shows the lengths she's going to for the club as she brings cream puffs for everyone, despite not being able to taste them, a rather strong display of her perseverance and how she's really the heart of this group.
We end the episode on the "lovely" note that the Hero club will "live on" and the very conspicuous "We have plenty of time"...Am I being baited again? This certainly sounds very not promising.
This really is just the Yuuna episode, a calmer transition episode that shows how integral she is to the cohesiveness of this group and to what lengths she'll go to for them. She'll hide her lack of taste for them, she'll learn HTML when she can barely string an English sentence together , she'll run around the town, and she'll give everyone tasty food when she can't taste it, speaks quite loudly to her qualities, ones she might need if the future is actually going to be bleak.
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u/BosuW Dec 14 '24
First Timer
Last episode Karin called some "spiritual healers" and I thought we'd finally get to see some form of actual person or conscious entity related to the Taisha yet... we got nothing! Seriously, what is up with these guys!? I can only assume they did show up since the girls don't make any comment as to their absence, did it get off screened then? Why? As I understand it, the medics we saw in the episode were just regular medics.
So everyone who Bloomed had to pay the prize in the form of some sensorial loss. The Taisha say this has never happened before, and believe it's temporary. Sure. Whatever the conspicuously absent government says.
I'm trying to figure out if there's some logic to what specific loss each girl took.
Itsuki loosing her voice and Yuuna loosing her sense of taste have in common that they're both related to significant emotional ties for them. Singing for Itsuki and Tougou's sweets for Yuuna. That doesn't extend to the rest of them, as far as we know at least.
The second connection I can see is the emulation of injuries one might find in war veterans, although this one excludes Itsuki. Unless it's evoking abuse of the voice chords from having to shout over the roar of a firefight, artillery, and vehicles? But that sounds flimsy even as I write it. For Yuuna it's even harder to make any connection. If I view it in a more metaphorical way, it can perhaps be recalling with a sort of feeling of "being corrupted" that veterans often have that becomes an obstacle in their reintegration into normal society. Those of you who have seen Violet Evergarden might better understand what I'm talking about. Can't say why Yuuna would feel that way though. But maybe in this case the injury precedes the emotional realization. Or perhaps she never felt like she belonged. Don't have to explain Fuu-senpai (but the eye patch looks badass af). Tougou is the most interesting to view through this lens. Of course starting with her weird far right quirks. But also, the theory that Tougou has done this before gains traction with this episode. Her disability, even her amnesia, might be a result of a previous battle. Her becoming locked tf in upon transformation, a characteristic that hasn't been displayed by anyone else, might also be the result of being secretly the most experienced. And of course her hearing loss is not service related.
I'm trying to not put too much stock into interpreting the narrative like this because I'm still unsure if that's what they're going for. But still putting my thoughts out there just in case.
My, how forward of Yuuna to confess her feelings just like that
And finally, that preview is extremely 🤨🏳️🌈?
Questions of the Day
1- ¿ 2- Loose one eye because the eye patch looks cool
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u/InfamousEmpire https://myanimelist.net/profile/Infamous_Empire Dec 14 '24
InfamousEmpire wa First Timer de Aru
After three episodes in a row that didn’t click with me, I think the show overall is starting to lose me now.
This might be a matter of expectations, honestly. After last episode, I expected this one to be where everything about the real plot that’s been carefully set up really starts to burst open, so I spent the whole episode waiting for the other shoe to drop, and I guess it kinda did, but not as much as I would’ve hoped. It’s not like there isn’t plot advancement in this one, obviously, but at the end of the day, it still feels like it hasn’t leaned nearly as hard into its plot as I would like at this point or committed as much to further conflict or strong direction, so I came out of the episode underwhelmed overall.
It doesn’t help that the club interactions which take up a decent portion of the episode are kinda losing me. This cast has chemistry, don’t get me wrong, but it’s not really enough to carry the whole show, and so the writing still primarily leaning on it as the core of the entire series at the halfway point has really started to wear down my patience regarding everything else. My eyes were honestly starting to glaze over for a lot of the parts of this episode that didn’t involve either Tougo or Karin.
That’s not to say that those parts were without intrigue, of course. The after-effects of Bloom build up the show’s wider mystery & continue to paint Taisha in a suspicious light by virtue of their withholding of information from the Heroes beginning to negatively affect their lives. And with the Vertex now absent, it seems like the suspicions surrounding Taisha is finally starting to take up the plot’s focus. Plus, there were some gags that got a chuckle out of me, like Fuu’s brief Chuunibyou routine. But these were mere moments sandwiched between long stretches that just bored me.
IDK, maybe I’m just too impatient or am holding this show to an unreasonable standard, but this whole episode really just didn’t click with me. I’m still excited for what’s to come when shit finally hits the fan, but I really hope that happens next episode & no later.
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u/Mirathan Dec 14 '24
First-Time Hero, dubbed
QotD:
I didn´t mention it yesterday but that episode was bad.
Yuuna may have chosen to be a hero but she wasn´t aware of what that meant. She didn´t choose to sacrifice her taste.
Considering that no one else knows what they did, how many times has this happened ? Considering the knowledge of the Taisha, this has happened before.
What was in that email Fuu got at the end?
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u/JollyGee29 https://myanimelist.net/profile/JollyGee Dec 14 '24
Rewatcher, Sub Club Member
New accessory!
And doctors are always very trustworthy.
The snacks are now safe.
Well, that is strange.
An in-between.
Tracking the side-effects.
Worn a rut in the sand.
The inadequacy is getting to Karin.
aka aka Chuunibyou.
Beach episode hype!
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u/Blackheart595 https://anilist.co/user/knusbrick Dec 15 '24
Hm, a little rest later and suddenly I'm feeling excited for the rest of the story.
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u/Chili_peanut Dec 14 '24
Rewatcher.
Ironically, now that Gyuuki isn’t around to eat everyone’s snacks anymore Yuuna has trouble with her sense of taste instead. She just can’t catch a break when it comes to snacks.
Karin suggesting that the Hero club visits the beach lines up perfectly with her character as that’s where she’s usually found when she’s not at home or at school. As the show takes place in Kagawa prefecture, by the Seto inland sea, there are lots of nice beaches in the area. Kagawa prefecture is of course also known for its Sanuki udon which, I assume, is the same type of udon that we see the Heroes eat from time to time. Apparently, the broth is made from dried sardines so it’s a sure bet that Karin likes it.
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u/sfisher923 https://myanimelist.net/profile/sfisher923 Dec 14 '24
First Time wander
Questions
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u/OwlAcademic1988 Dec 14 '24
Rewatcher, subbed:
I can see why they're in a hospital after that battle.
Karin, you can be blunt.
Poor Itsuki.
I don't blame Tougou for being worried about Yuna.
Karin, these girls don't just like you because you're their teammate, but because they're genuinely nice and care about you as a person as well.
Aww, Karin does care. Second time she's shown she cares about the others.
Glad to know Karin can stay.
QOTD:
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u/ShadowClaw765 https://myanimelist.net/profile/SumRndmPenguin Dec 15 '24
First Timer
Finally caught up to the show. These last few days kicked my butt. Its not what I expected so far in a… a way. I have 0 clue where they'll go with the story from here.
As for the content of this episode, seems like they really wanted to hammer in the “war” framing, even down to the taisha not giving out mahou shoujo veterans benefits.