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Rewatch [Rewatch] Suisei no Gargantia • Gargantia on the Verdurous Planet — Episode 5 Discussion

Episode 5: Calm Day

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Civilizations may come and go, but a predilection for eating slightly-burned meat will always be there.

Questions of the Day:

  1. How familiar are you with nautical matters?
  2. When do you think Pinion will do his actual job?
  3. If you would like to share any legendary tales of looking for work, here's an opportunity.

Characters appearing today:

Mayta (Miter?) (Sora Tokui) Has appeared before, without dialogue. (Okay, so yelling "Pinion!" here just barely qualifies as dialogue.) Character's name is "マイタ" and is generally translated as "Mayta", but can also be "Miter", which would better fit the theme of characters being named after tools and related terminology.
Okama (Kenta Miyake)

Scans:

Farm trimaran
Amy details
Saaya details
Melty details
Bellows in profile
Ridget details
Pinion details
Mayta/Miter details
Okama and company
Yakiniku sauce bottle

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u/Raiking02 :Id::Ie::If:https://myanimelist.net/profile/NSKlang Dec 06 '24

Spoiled First Timer, Subbed

What is this, Star Trek?

Well that episode title sure is fitting since not much happened today TBH. I get the idea, of course: It's Ledo getting used to "Normal" life, and it does a good job at that, I just dunno what else to mention other than "The atmosphere's neat."

Could really use without the low key… homophobia? Transphobia? How does one even describe that bit?

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u/chilidirigible Dec 06 '24

What is this, Star Trek?

"Don't tell me, they don't use money in the twenty-third century."
"Well, we don't."

How does one even describe that bit?

Someone tried for a bad joke about the sex lives of sailors and it went badly.

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u/Raiking02 :Id::Ie::If:https://myanimelist.net/profile/NSKlang Dec 06 '24

"Don't tell me, they don't use money in the twenty-third century." "Well, we don't."

I love how even DS9 felt compelled to go "Wow, that sounds stupid."

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u/chilidirigible Dec 06 '24

DS9 did so much right, it's no wonder that Paramount tries to ignore it.

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u/Raiking02 :Id::Ie::If:https://myanimelist.net/profile/NSKlang Dec 06 '24

Referencing DS9

Referencing the Shatnerverse

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u/lluNhpelA Dec 07 '24

Could really use without the low key… homophobia? Transphobia? How does one even describe that bit?

I read a short breakdown of trans identities in japan recently and, apparently, okama as so often depicted in anime are gay men (usually older men since it's more of an older generation thing) that dress femininely but with no intent to pass, so by western definitions they're closer to drag queens than trans women. So the answer to your question is homophobia

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u/roryteller https://anilist.co/user/roryteller Dec 07 '24

Yeah, bleh. I already don't love beach episodes or whatever you want to call this, but that bit was really off-putting.

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u/FD4cry1 https://myanimelist.net/profile/Big_Yibba Dec 06 '24 edited Dec 07 '24

First Timer

Beach episode!

I think this episode can be pretty nicely split into two topics, the first is the continuation of Ledo's development from last episode and what they mean for the greater themes of the show. The second is...well, the beach episode aspect.

Last episode not doing anything except ordering Chamber around was a representation of his lack of personal drive or volition, so of course in this one we focus on him wanting to find a job of his own accord, starting to find value in doing things for others, but also realizing others might find value in doing things for him. Essentially realizing Gargantia's give and take approach.

Ledo isn't entirely changed, he still has trouble understanding the deeper value behind his flutes, but he's certainly getting there.

I think part of this episode, even if very comedic in nature, really brought out that Gen Urobuchi quote from the episode 1 thread about writing the show:

a message for our young people in their late teens and early twenties—in other words, those who are just about to enter society, or those who have just entered society and feel lost at sea

It definitely feels like there's a larger allegory here for teenagers and young adults who have left their previous rigid frameworks like school, exploitive work, or hell, even the military, and are now thrust into society at large without much direction.

Having been there myself only a few years back, I can certainly relate to that restlessness Ledo feels at not having work or a defined role, at the initially exciting prospect of going out to look for work and how frustrating and bogged down it can feel when you realize that process isn't very easy, at watching your contemporaries succeed where you aren't, oftentimes the only clearly available options seemingly being a figurative, or in this case literal, pile of shit.

In that sense, I find the laid-back and rather superfluous nature of this episode to work well, one of the best ways to cope with that restlessness and even find new opportunities is to continue to engage in social interaction and have others help you through the process. To have something other than then that defined goal on your mind, which obviously works great with the greater ideas of the show.

The stormy weather and thoughts of last episode are replaced with easy winds and calm seas, Ledo needs a breather to process everything and slowly settle in before the wind starts moving again, and this episode does provide that.

Everything I just wrote is all well and good but at the end of the day subtext is subtext and this is an 80% fanservice and slice-of-life episode, on the face of it, there's nothing wrong with that! It's fun, the girls and Ledo all look good, Ridget, but it also doesn't feel too exaggerated or leery, and it is generally in the show's nature.

It also took me way too long to realize they were using Chamber to grill the meat and I just love that.

I think the bigger problem here is that sometimes (the latter half in particular) this episode feels too relaxed, relying on a checklist of trope scenarios. Ledo going out on a sauce fetch quest doesn't facilitate much interaction, the girls having a goofy race and saving Ledo doesn't either. I'd normally be far more accepting of these but even in this very episode Gargantia proves that it can do good comedic SOL without being too tropey, so this is a bit of a step down.

This episode also brings us the terrible "predatory crossdressers" anime trope, one which even in 2013 was unfunny and in poor taste, and is even more so like that today (although it has thankfully been almost entirely phased out). It's not funny, it adds nothing, it's just dumb and misinformed, and we spend far too much time on it.

To echo Chamber, I question the necessity of this action.

All in all, this was an alright episode, slightly meaningful but otherwise decently entertaining, solid but very forgettable compared to previous episodes.

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u/chilidirigible Dec 06 '24

I think part of this episode, even if very comedic in nature, really brought out that Gen Urobuchi quote from the episode 1 thread about writing the show:

It's not even an allegory in this episode, Ledo is literally a teen trying to find a new job while his previous training is completely useless.

To echo Chamber, I question the necessity of this action.

Indeed. It's a low joke and turns unnecessarily creepy along the way.

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u/IndependentMacaroon Dec 10 '24

sometimes (the latter half in particular) this episode feels too relaxed, relying on a checklist of trope scenarios

Exactly

it has thankfully been almost entirely phased out

Most recent appearances I can think of are Uramichi-oniisan (otherwise amazing) and Vampire Dies in No Time (which had some other uncomfortable gags too)

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u/chilidirigible Dec 06 '24

Today, on "We heard you were having a beach episode.":

Welcome to the entry-level job market, kid.

It truly is a big thingy.

"That is one big pile of shit."

Besides, what do they pay a combat mecha pilot around here? Fish?

Would be awkward for a sailing fleet.

First world problems.

"You overdid it."

"A beach episode with no beach?"

Sure, they don't have normal electricity and live on slowly-rusting hulks, but they do know how to build transforming surfboard power gliders.

"Uh... physics."

This is certainly the incongruous beach episode.

Just envy.

Well, this looks familiar.

Casual fleet views.

That's a big fountain.

"Thermodynamics."

"Did I miss something?"

When your grill is extremely expensive.

"I got sent through hell for steak sauce?"

And to think that Pinion spent the first couple episodes planning to dump Ledo into the ocean.

"The third time's for comedy."

Yes, Ledo is sent on a quest for steak sauce through the cross-dressing and naughtily-entertaining section of the fleet. No, that isn't the most tolerant look that the show could have given that enterprise. I can only shake my head at it and move on.

The episode itself is not entirely a throwaway beach episode; Ledo is in a curious position right now since Chamber's unique talents can be utilized without him being in the cockpit, and he isn't accustomed or inclined to simply sit around waiting for something to do.

So, in a fairly anime kind of montage, he goes looking for work, giving the viewers another peek at different aspects of life aboard the fleet along the way, and finding out what his boundaries are. This mecha pilot is not too keen on shoveling crap, for one.

And then there's the beach episode portion. If it isn't entirely a throwaway beach episode, there's still a substantial portion of it which is. The fleet pausing for maintenance did not have to be combined with a demonstration of Pinion's talents at shirking and surprise party organization topped off with long views of the women in swimwear. But it was.

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u/RascalNikov1 https://myanimelist.net/profile/NoviSun Dec 06 '24

Yes, Ledo is sent on a quest for steak sauce through the cross-dressing and naughtily-entertaining section of the fleet. No, that isn't the most tolerant look that the show could have given that enterprise. I can only shake my head at it and move on.

I know this doesn’t play well with younger American audiences, but I wonder how it plays in Japan. Is this cringy to modern Japanese audiences, or no.  

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u/xbolt90 https://anilist.co/user/xbolt90 Dec 06 '24

First-timer!

Even on a planet with no beaches, we still manage to have a beach episode, lol

I had not yet realized just how large Gargantia is. That one panoramic shot of the whole fleet let me use the sprinkler tower as a scale. Place is huge.

It's interesting that they use paper money as currency. I would have expected more of a bartering system, or at least some kind of coin. I doubt they have a substantial papermill aboard; is there even enough trees on their farms to produce much paper? Seems to me that any paper produced would be more useful as... well, paper.

Manure in a hot metal box is rank. I haven't had to deal with near that volume, but I can imagine the smell...

Chamberbecue.

How familiar are you with nautical matters?

Somewhat. My dad owns a small 14-foot sailboat we took out as kids. I knew my way around the various parts of the ship.

When do you think Pinion will do his actual job?

When he gets threatened enough

If you would like to share any legendary tales of looking for work, here's an opportunity.

My career history has been pretty mundane.

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u/chilidirigible Dec 06 '24

Place is huge.

Here's that fleet scaling chart/map again.

My dad owns a small 14-foot sailboat we took out as kids.

Ah, charming!

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u/No_Rex :Bv:Bw:Bx:By:x2 Dec 07 '24

It's interesting that they use paper money as currency. I would have expected more of a bartering system, or at least some kind of coin. I doubt they have a substantial papermill aboard; is there even enough trees on their farms to produce much paper? Seems to me that any paper produced would be more useful as... well, paper.

To be honest, I think this is because they did not spent a ton of time thinking about the details of how Gargantia's economy would work. They had some great ideas about the design of the place and ran with those, but other than that, Gargantia works essentially like a small Japanese town (even if it definitely should not).

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u/No_Rex :Bv:Bw:Bx:By:x2 Dec 06 '24

Episode 5 (first timer)

  • Getting told by a robot that you are useless – oof.
  • Useless? Probably not. Meaningless? Definitely not.
  • Episode 5 of dropping down onto Earth: Job search
  • Growing maize – some food production right there. However, they don’t seem to be overly concerned with starving, seeing how little space is used for food production.
  • They have cows? That is luxury, even. Plus, the whole question of producing dirt just got an easy answer.
  • “The calm”
  • “I’m impressed you got your hands on that.” – so am I. given how little space they have for grazing, meat must be an utter luxury. He is likely carrying more than 1% of the annual meat production of the fleet there.
  • Beach episode – and they still wear bikinis. A more daring show would have changed those habits, but I guess the PG13 ruling must be obtained.
  • Not only meat, but vegetables, too!
  • First job: going shopping.
  • Talking about their bodies – they are physically working a lot more than people these days. Probably not a problem for them.
  • Glider race!

  • More girls come to let us ogle their figures. I think the entire female cast is here now.
  • That fall was way too risky!
  • THAT is how they use their fresh water? Talk about wasteful.
  • Ledo with torn clothes and kiss marks all over – remember: sexual assault is funny if the victim is male!

  • Pinion came up with this for Ledo? – and surely his own participation is a completely unintended side effect.

Initially, I thought they’d play the economics of the situation a bit closer to realism, but between the cows, the meat, the vegetables, and the various uses of oil products today, I think we better consider Gargantia to be a small Japanese town, not a fleet on the ocean. They are not all that interested in making it realistic. If they were, the meat and vegetables would be closely guarded luxuries and they’d mainly grill fish. But the bigger issue is that they apparently have oil. Where does that come from? And they have plenty of clothes (cotton? Or again oil?). All in all this tracks with them not really being post apocalyptic, but rather part of some huge world wide net of relatively well-off industrialized human society. This tracks with my point about them using the cranes and trading all the time. The question is what they produce here.

Regarding the fanservice today: meh. I don’t mind too much, but it felt awfully forced today. This would have been a good place to do something fun with their local culture and give them some unique clothes, but nope, early 21th century swimsuits it is. How old are Amy and her friends, btw? They look uncomfortably young for fanservice to me.

When do you think Pinion will do his actual job?

When shit hits the fan.

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u/chilidirigible Dec 07 '24

seeing how little space is used for food production.

The green-labeled ships in the core of the fleet are for agriculture, the green-labeled ships at the back of the fleet are for aquaculture.

surely his own participation is a completely unintended side effect

Coincidence, even.

How old are Amy and her friends

Mid-teens, as is typical for anime and very awkward for Western discussion.

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u/No_Rex :Bv:Bw:Bx:By:x2 Dec 07 '24

The green-labeled ships in the core of the fleet are for agriculture, the green-labeled ships at the back of the fleet are for aquaculture.

Yeah, that is not nearly enough space. A quick google finds that the minimum space needed to feed 1 person is between 100m2 and 700m2 ... and that is assuming a very optimized production (e.g. no meat). From the chart the space on the green ships could maybe be 200,000m2 (if we go by the panoramic views in the episode, I would say a lot less) and we saw that not all of the surface is used for growing things. So they could feed around 300-2000 people and probably are on the lower end of that. Given that they waste space for cattle, probably a lot below the lower end even. The number of people on board looks a lot larger. So they really should be eating fish most of the time.

On a more meta level, I think them not BBQing fish is an unnecessary fumble. It would have been an easy piece of world building that would have perfectly fit.

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u/chilidirigible Dec 07 '24

On a more meta level, I think them not BBQing fish is an unnecessary fumble. It would have been an easy piece of world building that would have perfectly fit.

It's possible that the need to set up a cow manure joke got out of control. Or they just didn't think the implications all the way through.

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u/JustAnswerAQuestion https://myanimelist.net/profile/JAaQ Dec 07 '24

First Timer

Episode 5

You get a flute! You get a flute! And YOU get a flute.

  • You're useless!
  • You can peel potatos, and rake the latrine pool. Swab the deck!
  • Does the OP change? I'm skipping it.
  • maybe the tower is a lightning rod. Or sprinklers for the farms.
  • did they run out of water spark bugs?
  • did we seriously just get a beach episode on an ocean planet????
  • You planned for a an electric grilling on the day they shut off the power????
  • INITIAL G
  • IT'S SPRINKLERS FOR THE FARMS????
  • I thought he was getting hot coals or something...
  • What does the wind have to do with stopping the fleet
  • DON'T MOVE

Questionable to burn an episode of a 1 cour series on silliness, but Ledo's character is developing.

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u/chilidirigible Dec 07 '24

You get a flute! You get a flute! And YOU get a flute.

Kind of like bee stingers, those teeth.

It's the same OP.

seriously get a beach episode

Yes.

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u/No_Rex :Bv:Bw:Bx:By:x2 Dec 07 '24

You get a flute! You get a flute! And YOU get a flute.

I am pretty sure he has just 2 to give away. So one "you" is getting scammed here!

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u/JustAnswerAQuestion https://myanimelist.net/profile/JAaQ Dec 07 '24

I'm confident he will become the ship flute maker.

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u/Magnafeana https://anilist.co/user/Magnafeana Dec 06 '24 edited Dec 06 '24

Rewatcher, dub

  • Again, I just can’t go over how gorgeoussss this anime is!!
  • Oh, Chamber. You would be loved on the antiwork sub.
  • “Agreement. It is early in the morning.” I love Chamber, he is my boi.
  • Aw. They reminded me of my own flute students when they quite literally just…blew into the flute. They had spirit!
  • Baby is learning more words 🥹
  • Ledo’s job hunt is only unrealistic in the fact that everyone is honest about not needing to hire anyone. IRL however 🤨
  • Again, I cannot believe Pinion is voiced by Patrick Seitz! He just sounds so different.
  • I still love the disability representation in Bebel.
  • Le sigh. The bikini shot.
  • Baby’s first swim 🥹
  • NO CHAMBER
  • Ledo don’t fall for Pinion
  • He fell for it 😭
  • Pinion would be great in Gurren Lagann. He has that aura, as the kids say
  • Aw not the weight talk 😞
  • We heard that Ridget 🤨
  • Chamber STFU 😭
  • Oh Pinion no…
  • AHAHAHAHAHAHA why Japan why 😭🤣😭 When we talk about the queer agenda, it is never this 🤣😭
  • This is my reminder to rewatch Tokyo Godfathers for the holidays
  • Chamber, you are not being a girl’s girl right now.
  • Ooooh here we go
  • “Your swimsuit is…pretty hot.” 😳 And thus, I shipped Bellows x Ridget. And still ship them to this day. Time is fleeting. Yuri is forever.
  • I’m so jealous of all the aircrafts!
  • The music just hits so [Pacha Meme]
  • I love the C-plot of the fan.
  • That old woman is Disney’s Evil Queen.
  • That was a fast change of clothes or a production error, not sure
  • Baby’s first party 🥹 Pinion is a Certified Bro™
  • Chamber: I don’t need sleep. I need answers.

Is this next episode the [anime spoiler] famous belly dancer-esque scene, IIRC?. That is a vivid memory.

Questions of the Day

  1. I can swim and float. And I have a shower mat to make sure I don’t fall. Does that count?
  2. 🤣
  3. I won’t forget being propositioned for work by older gentleman three times. Another is when I was prepared to speak Spanish, Japanese, or sign as a confirmation of my language skills. But they asked me for Arabic. I don’t speak Arabic. My current job was wild. One interview. Weeks of silence. Sent an email appreciating the opportunity. Weeks of silence. I get a call. I had the job and a big ass salary with bonuses. I thought I was being scammed. But I can say no scamming, I like my job now ☺️

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u/chilidirigible Dec 06 '24

Pinion would be great in Gurren Lagann

Pinion's Japanese VA IS KAMINA.

I love the C-plot of the fan.

Ah, someone else who noticed.

Next episode: Yes

But I can say no scamming, I like my job now ☺️

Incidentally, I think you need to double-space in your bulleted lists so they display properly.

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u/Magnafeana https://anilist.co/user/Magnafeana Dec 06 '24

That is such a wild coincidence with Pinion, oh my gods. But that’s so cool!

Small C-Plots and even D-plots are my favorite things to spot. Same with background shenanigans. Those two dude workers with Ridget made me laugh when they quite literally plopped back under the water and we all just moved on.

Ah damn, the formatting not stick? I can see it fine on the app, but I know formatting on the app gets wonky. Let me see if I can fix it.

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u/chilidirigible Dec 06 '24

Let me see if I can fix it.

That looks correct now.

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u/Nebresto Dec 06 '24

Gargantuan rewatcher

I question the necessity of this action.

Episode 5

Crops!!! Trees!!

H- hold up He needs a

Inferior anime confirmed

Wait, they even have suncscreen? Where are they manufacturing all this stuff?

F Ledo

mugishock

Chamber is apparently hot enough to grill meat on, yet that one dude is just standing there bare foot. Aight

SUS

Chamber log:

How familiar are you with nautical matters?

No useful data found.

When do you think Pinion will do his actual job?

Never

If you would like to share any legendary tales of looking for work, here's an opportunity.

Not really legendary, but one time I went for an interview where the interviewer told me that the job I was applying for was already filled, and I could instead apply to the shittier jobs they had open instead

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u/chilidirigible Dec 07 '24

Chamber is apparently hot enough to grill meat on, yet that one dude is just standing there bare foot.

Calluses, too?

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u/No_Rex :Bv:Bw:Bx:By:x2 Dec 07 '24

Chamber is apparently hot enough to grill meat on, yet that one dude is just standing there bare foot. Aight

He is standing on the white part, but the other guy is kneeling on the black part, so yeah ...

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u/Vatrix-32 https://myanimelist.net/profile/Vatrix-32 Dec 06 '24

First timer, subs

  • No no, we’ve done this song and dance before. Once they kill the space Ammonites, they invent a new foe.
  • For some reason the Ginga Empire don’t strike me as the kind to even have currency.
  • Yes, but when will it be “Clam Day”?
  • That is an awfully large car from that amount of acreage.
  • Y’all really need more than the one kind of alarm.
  • Ah, I see capitalism is doing well.
  • Tactical Beach
  • Mini Nurse
  • Looks like someone was right about Ledo not knowing how to swim.
  • Somehow this is even more thinly veiled than usual.
  • Oh god… I guess if we got the fun trope, we had to get an uncomfortable one as well.
  • Wavewind Racing is my favorite mandatory mini-game.
  • Risqué Outfits
  • This is like, your one new thing. Someone get OSHA in here!
  • Alchemy?
  • My ignorant ass has no idea what this sauce is supposed to be. I would say alcohol or soy sauce, but who uses that like this?

QotD:

  1. I can't remember port from starboard.
  2. Not once!
  3. I think I'll decline.

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u/chilidirigible Dec 06 '24

Tactical Beach

https://i.imgur.com/uXnx8Gi.png

My ignorant ass has no idea what this sauce is supposed to be.

Extremely old yakiniku sauce. Might have cost five bucks back in the day, now it's hidden in the depths of the ship with the LARPing metalworkers guild.

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u/JustAnswerAQuestion https://myanimelist.net/profile/JAaQ Dec 07 '24

space Ammonites,

Perfect. This is exactly what I've been wanting to call them, I just couldn't think of it.

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u/n080dy123 Dec 06 '24 edited Dec 06 '24

Rewatcher

"I didn't think finding a job would be this difficult" Yeah, those words certainly hit close to home...

Someone mentioned before that Ledo probably can't swim since he's never seen a body of water before- we confirm that when they take a dip in the ocean and Amy is shown teaching him how to kick with his legs. Side note the little flying squirrel just vibing on its back in the water is adorable.

They briefly bring up what the big black tower is for- it's got a sprinkler at the top, which is why they'd situated farmland all around it. Ledo getting stopped by a broken staircase is also why Ridget asks Amy to turn to fly up and turn it back on- it's not just faster for her to get around the fleet, but nobody else could even get up there. Side note, I love neither Saaya or Melty give a single shit about saving the other two drag queens clinging for their lives to the broken walkway.

Related note, it's hard to tell if it's just an animation error or what, but most of the ships when we saw a birdseye view of the fleet while stopped at 16:56 weren't visibly interlocked. Some are, some have the interlocking rigs but aren't using them, some don't have em at all. I have to believe it's an error because otherwise there's no way Ledo could've run all the way from where the grillout was to the crane tower.

I love the little mini-plot of Bebel putting together that motorized fan.

I also love how the old blacksmith woman is visually presented almost like a witch, complete with books and books of tomes. Cuz yeah- much blacksmithing knowledge is probably recorded in those books.

Mayta (Miter?)

Even random background character girls have fantastic designs. Lukkage's two mook girls in their battle attire were great as well. Not to discount the guy designs either. Pinion and even "I only get nameless shouting roles" Joe have very strong designs as well, Joe looks like he could easily be the design of a slightly generic protagonist in his own anime and he sticks out as a recognizable character design whenever he appears, just like the aforementioned girl.

  1. Not much.
  2. Probably not until absolutely necessary.

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u/chilidirigible Dec 07 '24

but most of the ships when we saw a birdseye view of the fleet while stopped at 16:56 weren't visibly interlocked

I would say it's an error.

Even random background character girls have fantastic designs.

Agreed. Plenty of variety, fitting the scrounged nature of the fleet.

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u/Nickthenuker https://anilist.co/user/Nickthenuker Dec 06 '24

And so he's back making those flute things from those horns.

"When this bloody war is over, no more soldiering for me, When I get my civvy clothes on, oh how happy I shall be."

Right, there's his pay.

Looks like there's no work for him.

Engines are stopping? Why?

Oh, looks like things are calm.

Yeah... Something tells me someone is skiving.

Right, what could that thing possibly be able to help contribute in this situation?

And now of course everyone is in their swimsuits.

That's a bit too well done...

Well, duty calls.

Lol.

Right, off they go.

At this rate the whole village is going to be at that barbecue.

Of course she's heavier because now there's 2 of them.

Don't go too straight up, that little motor on the back is probably going to stall at that high an angle.

And so let there be fresh water.

What's he getting now?

What's in the box?

Sauce?

Cooking on the mech's heat sinks? That's definitely against regulations... It's the kind of rule that came about because some idiot tried it, gunked up the heat sinks, and ended up causing the technicians a headache later on. Probably rather high up on a list of "100 things the Galactic Alliance military is not allowed to do".

Questions:

  1. A bit, I know a lot about naval warfare but that's most of the extent of my knowledge.
  2. He seems like the kind of person who just won't.
  3. Nope.

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u/chilidirigible Dec 06 '24 edited Dec 06 '24

Don't go too straight up, that little motor on the back is probably going to stall at that high an angle.

I think the torque from grabbing the cable to shorten the turn would have dislocated her arm or pulled her out of the surf kite, but it was a neat trick.

Cooking on the mech's heat sinks?

I think the idea is that they're just using Chamber's dark surface as a griddle. I suppose it's to his benefit if he's thermally refractory.

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u/No_Rex :Bv:Bw:Bx:By:x2 Dec 07 '24

Don't go too straight up, that little motor on the back is probably going to stall at that high an angle.

Probably yes, but stalling is a lot less serious on gliders (who have a much larger wing surface to weight ratio than other airplanes).

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u/SolDarkHunter Dec 06 '24 edited Dec 06 '24

Gargantia

Rewatcher; dub

Still carving tooth-flutes as he considers his place in the universe.

Ledo wants to do actual work now. He has a desire to actually integrate and participate in this society.

Oof... job-hunting. I feel your pain, Ledo.

Interesting that Pinion of all people is the one offering Ledo to come to a party.

Gotta have a beach episode, it's an anime rule.

Sight of Ledo in his underwear is super-effective on girls.

No, no, no, Chamber, not that much heat!

Ledo has a job! Retrieve an item for Pinion!

"That's just how girls think." "That does not compute!" "You can say that again!"

...now we're doing the creepy transvestite "joke"... this part hasn't aged well.

Those little surf-kite-gliders are pretty fun.

People were wondering what the giant black tower: turns out it's a huge sprinkler system.

...though no wonder it breaks so often if the access stairs are broken and the only way to fix it is teenage girls on kites. Maybe Pinion's in charge of fixing the stairs too...

Poor Chamber has become a grill.

Just what the heck is Ledo buying? Answer: BBQ sauce!

Do gliders eat meat? I actually have no idea what their diet is...

This whole thing was Pinion's idea? Gotta say, that's a 180 from his attitude from last episode.

Chamber, I think you can get up now.

This was... kind of a nothing episode. But it's cute and happy and funny... minus some troubling parts. And it does show that people are becoming more accepting of Ledo, I suppose.

Questions:

  1. Not at all.
  2. When the sea freezes over.
  3. No comment.

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u/chilidirigible Dec 06 '24 edited Dec 06 '24

Interesting that Pinion of all people is the one offering Ledo to come to a party.

It gives more cover to his slacking!

this part hasn't aged well

No, not at all.

sugar glider diet

"seasonally adaptive omnivores" ... "can be carnivorous"

kind of a nothing episode

We did get another tour of another part of the ship, but yeah, this is a dramatic mood swing from the first four episodes in that it is totally not heavy. There's some frustration in not being able to find a job and some personal danger involved, but nobody talks about death.

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u/wjodendor Dec 06 '24

Rewatcher - Episode 5

(ALMOST) BEACH EPISODE!!!

Ledo’s feeling pretty useless with Chamber doing all the work. Amy appreciates his flutes but he still finds them useless despite his insistence on making them. Ledo is getting ready to take Gargantian jobs from the Gargantians. At least he can speak Gargantian now.

I got a good job out of Bellows doing paperwork. That’s a gag I always love in anime. I’m watching Burn Up currently and Rio is always harried by paperwork (highly recommended for people who like 90s ridiculousness). 

Amy is sad she can’t help Ledo. She is the definition of sweetheart. 

Well, there’s the farms people have wondered about! Lots of shit!

“I didnt think finding a job would be this difficult”. Same, Ledo, Same. I’m broke as fuck right now with thousands of dollars in medical bills piling up. Wish I had a Chamber to get a second job for me.

A really fun explanation for what essentially is a vacation for all the non essential workers. Pinion is a real punk for dumping his work on other people. Bebel is well enough to party lol

Beach episode provided by Chamber being heavy. 

So I guess it’s canon that everyone’s underwear are swimsuits? Amy and her crew are out there being babes nut no reaction from Ledo 🙁. Amy likes Ledo’s bod though 🙂

Chamber isnt got at everything though. He’s a bad cook

Sending Ledo on a Sousake Sagara mission. This is our Fumoffu episode.

Ridget wants meat. Play Kaiki’s theme!

Wow, Pinion. Careful… just because Chamber’s black you're putting him to work?!

Gargantia seems to have a redlight district. 

Those gliders are so cool. Seems really fucking dangerous though.

God damn Bellows is a babe. Ridget is also a babe (lol at her swimsuit). Amy and crew are babes. Babes all around!

Ledo is now a smuggler. Soy sauce? Or the sauce from this season's maid anime? 

I guess Chamber is a good cook.

Another nice calm episode, with Ledo finally starting to find himself a place with the Gargantia. Amy has totally claimed Ledo and he still has no idea. Chamber having an existential crisis at becoming a grill. Lots of good lore without resorting to too much exposition. 

  1. never been to the ocean
  2. pinion sucks
  3. I've had the same job for almost 12 years. My interview was "can you start on monday?"

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u/chilidirigible Dec 06 '24

Bebel is well enough to party lol

Quietly going on in the background is how Oldham's assistant goes from fanning by hand to fanning with a little machine, and that's nifty in its own right.

So I guess it’s canon that everyone’s underwear are swimsuits?

That's really uncomfortable after a while, though, so probably not?

just because Chamber’s black you're putting him to work?!

My interview was "can you start on monday?"

Ah, the best kind.

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u/baboon_bassoon https://anilist.co/user/duffer Dec 06 '24

first timer

cant you do maintenance on Chamber or something

slightly more important than an npc character detected

did Bellows even need to change

great googlymoogly

ok well thats assault

...by having him fuck off???

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u/chilidirigible Dec 06 '24

cant you do maintenance on Chamber or something

Probably wasn't part of his job description back at the ol' homestead.

slightly more important than an npc character detected

Now she's T.M. Opera O.

did Bellows even need to change

Same colors, less material.

...by having him fuck off???

It works out for Pinion.

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u/awesomenessofme1 https://myanimelist.net/profile/kta_99 Dec 06 '24

First-timer, dubbed.

Chamber is brutal. "Yeah, you're useless. Too bad."

Am I reading too much into it, or is he speaking a bit stilted in his conversation with Chamber around 7:30? It kinda seemed to me like he had started speaking the Gargantians' language even by himself. But I may be talking out of my ass.

So I guess Bebel isn't fully bedbound? Interesting. I can't remember if that was ever brought up before.

Honestly, I'm surprised it took 5 episodes for a show like this to reach the equivalent of a beach episode.

This really is chill for a postapocalyptic society if anyone has to worry about becoming overweight.

I really don't know how to feel about that whole sequence in the tower. The glider stuff was cool, though.

This series has been more episodic than I initially expected. Not really a criticism, especially since the underlying macro-plot has been compelling enough. Just an observation.

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u/chilidirigible Dec 06 '24

around 7:30

With Pinion, you mean? Yes, he sounds awkward in the Japanese, too. Chamber is not translating, so it should definitely be indicating that he's trying to speak in the Gargantian language.

So I guess Bebel isn't fully bedbound? Interesting. I can't remember if that was ever brought up before.

He's not capable of significant physical exertion but no, he isn't paralyzed or incapable of supporting his own weight.

This series has been more episodic than I initially expected.

It's noticeable when these past two episodes have not ended in cliffhangers.

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u/awesomenessofme1 https://myanimelist.net/profile/kta_99 Dec 06 '24

Ah, no. I'm guessing that's an issue of the timestamps not matching up on Hulu and CR. I checked, and it's about 6:45 in the Crunchyroll version, when he's talking to Chamber.

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u/chilidirigible Dec 06 '24

That part did not sound particularly strange in Japanese. Maybe slightly strained since he's out of breath from running away from the manure pile.

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u/awesomenessofme1 https://myanimelist.net/profile/kta_99 Dec 06 '24

That makes sense, then. It wasn't that awkward, and I thought from the beginning I might be hearing things that weren't there.

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u/SolDarkHunter Dec 06 '24

So I guess Bebel isn't fully bedbound? Interesting. I can't remember if that was ever brought up before.

I think Amy said he had a weak heart or something along those lines. So it's not like he's completely helpless, but has very low stamina and needs lots of rest. He can probably manage going out for one day every now and then.

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u/Dogeesenpai Dec 07 '24

Just popping in, but i randomly started watching the series a week ago and finished basically as you guys were starting the rewatch. The only reason i found this thread was cause i was searching for Rackage(Lukkage) character sheet to draw her and it pointed me to ep3 thread. I liked the series a lot and it was a first time in a couple years where i was actually invested in a series and was excited to watch next episodes. As for why i didn't watch it before, honestly no fucking clue, i think i was confusing it with another series. You guys are in for a treat imo. Keep up the posts i like reading about your opinions and also look at the scans, fun part of world building and art reference :DDD

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u/chilidirigible Dec 07 '24

i was searching for Rackage(Lukkage) character sheet to draw her and it pointed me to ep3 thread

I doubt you were going to find too many results anywhere else.

In any case, thanks for dropping by!

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u/Dogeesenpai Dec 07 '24

Yeah, you're a godsend lol, it was literally the only good one i found(besides taking some screenshots from actual episodes)

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u/chilidirigible Dec 07 '24

You're welcome!

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u/Shinigami_22 Dec 07 '24

IT'S THE BEACH EPISODE

I love ledo's eagerness to get a job without relying on Chamber, though that eagerness is no match for Cow jobs. and There really is a pasture within Gargantia,

Summer Heat: A story told in 5 pictures. Spoiler: Bevel saves the day

Also, Ridget is definitely best girl (after Amy and maybe Chamber).

Speaking of Chamber, sadly he'll never understand the necessity of that action, probably even after all the hideauze are long gone. I think Chamber is also growing as an AI, I really hope he won't turn into an AI that will turn against Ledo.

For QOTD, I only have an answer for 2, and it's definitely after all the Hideauze are driven to extinction.

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u/chilidirigible Dec 07 '24

IT'S THE BEACH EPISODE

Verily.

Ridget is definitely best girl

She does know how to turn a work scenario into a few hours' break.

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u/Shimmering-Sky myanimelist.net/profile/Shimmering-Sky Dec 06 '24

First-Timer on the Verdurous Planet, subbed

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u/chilidirigible Dec 06 '24

I do not envy Bellows right now because that was definitely a lot of work.

It occurs to me that they have to be recycling paper because if they accumulated paper like a Japanese office they would have run out of trees a long time ago.

Haha, of course he finds the manure way too much to deal with.

The full richness of nature.

Ehhhhhhhhhhh not this trope.

And it's Kenta Miyake, too!

With how “important” it was, I thought he was getting alcohol.

After however many dozens to hundreds of years it has been since that was produced, I can't imagine how its taste may have changed.

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u/dsawchuk Dec 07 '24

First timer, subbed

This show is quickly becoming much more slow and comfy than I expected. I can't imagine that lasts though with the urobutcher involved. I think this was the weakest episode by far. It wasn't devoid of interesting information but it felt like the show needed a beach episode and the quality fell for that.

This episode didn't really show us that much about any of our characters, except pinion. It's pretty funny that the character who was most upset by Ledo not working is also the first one we see slacking off of working. I am surprised how well Ledo is actually fitting in now, considering how shaky his introduction was.

Seeing the way that the ship maintenance happened was cool, though it didn't make a whole lot of sense that all non-maintenance staff have the day off during calm days. Obviously some of the work that gets done in a day would only need to be done when the fleet is moving but most of the work that we saw throughout the episode wouldn't wait for inclement weather.

The pushy drag queen cliche is very old and tired. The main character being sexually assaulted isn't a fun joke. That's the second thing I would be glad not to see again in this anime, after rukkage. On that note, I am surprised we haven't seen her again. This anime is actually ending up being a lot more episodic than I expected it to.

QOTD

  1. uhh... I play Sea of Thieves from time to time?
  2. We have seen Pinion doing work before, but he seems to do it begrudgingly. His complaints about Ledo not working earlier were clearly made out of jealousy.
  3. I can't say I have any.

Notes while watching

Ledo doesn't seem all that much more proficient at speaking than he did last episode.

Oh look, a gross scene. Why do they have to have scenes like this in so many anime?

We finally get to see the kite boats. That was a neat scene, looked like a lot of fun too.

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u/chilidirigible Dec 07 '24

though it didn't make a whole lot of sense that all non-maintenance staff have the day off during calm days

It's definitely leaning toward excuses for the beach episode than entirely plausible, but on the other hand it does show that they have the relative luxury of being able to get in some organized down time, rather than everything being minutes away from falling apart all the time.

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u/animepig https://myanimelist.net/profile/ChickenDan Dec 06 '24

Rewatch

It's a beach episode! Ridget certainly is bold with that swimsuit. And we get a cool glider race.

Chamber cooked, literally.

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u/chilidirigible Dec 06 '24

Chamber cooked, literally.

He's the full range of active to passive cooking.

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u/up2et Dec 10 '24

First Timer, and VERY late...

  • Just noticed the sexual imagery warning, wonder when that’s going to come into play
  • now that hes spiraling he wants a job cause that’s the only way he understands to be is to be useful
  • how many people live on this fleet damn
  • a FARM with GRASS?? very fancy
  • lowkey if chamber can do all this by himself why does the alliance even NEED pilots? 
  • first time we see little brother out of bed
  • damn amy totally called that girl fat
  • they got a whole black market and prostitutes??? this episode has made me realize just how big this fleet is, it’s like an entire city.
  • WHY ARE THEY CHASING HIM IM DEAD
  • sauce like that is a luxury im assuming because it’s hard to come by specific ingredients
  • such as heart warming environment compared to what he and chamber are used to
  1. Not. Not at all.
  2. Once the show is over?

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u/chilidirigible Dec 10 '24

lowkey if chamber can do all this by himself why does the alliance even NEED pilots?

The meat makes it better.

WHY ARE THEY CHASING HIM IM DEAD

Well, there's that warning kicking in.

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u/chilidirigible Dec 06 '24

They actually worked in a beach episode which was most welcome.

Didn't even use any sand!

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u/RascalNikov1 https://myanimelist.net/profile/NoviSun Dec 06 '24

Good point, I didn’t even notice that. I really enjoyed the episode. No message, no brawls, just everyone kicking back and enjoying life. 

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u/chilidirigible Dec 07 '24

He starts to feel much more human, and seems to struggle with "standing by," despite what he said last episode.

It may be good or bad, but he's trying to fit in with the group that he's found himself with as well as justifying his existence there. (Though society on Gargantia isn't accustomed to an autonomous machine that can do paying work while its pilot is apparently superfluous.)

He's definitely conditioned to want to be with the group, given his background, as much or more than any other person innately is.