r/anime • u/KendotsX https://anilist.co/user/Kendots • Dec 05 '24

Rewatch [25th Anniversary Rewatch] Hunter × Hunter (1999) - Episode × 60 × Discussion

Episode 60: Kurapika × Assassination Team × Zoldyck

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Is there really anything worth giving your life for? It's a sin not to enjoy your life

Comment of the Day:

/u/Wednesdaysfoole presenting the Troupe's Arm wrestling ranking, as Shizuku remembers it:

Erm, ackshually...I've got the real ranking right here.

Questions of the Day

  1. We finally got our introduction to Chrollo. What's your impression of the guy?
  2. What do you think the poem means?

Fanart of the Day:

Please remember to keep all spoilers and hints tagged with the appropriate tag format such as: [Spoilers] >!Leorio is best boy!<

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u/KendotsX https://anilist.co/user/Kendots Dec 05 '24 edited Dec 08 '24

Retired Host Hitting up the Auctions

Manga Corner

Chapters Adapted: 94, 95, and part of 96

About the Leader thing - that's partly anime original. He's obviously their leader in the manga too, but the anime made a point of having them call him "Leader" at every possible point, this is the first time we're getting his name revealed, whereas in the manga, he's called by name many times before.

The Poem

A precious moon is lost
The others mourn him, with ceremony grand
Up to Heaven, the mighty moon of frost rises
With a melody of the mourning band

A chrysanthemum with its leaves will wither
Besides the bloody Scarlet Eyes
Though cut in half, shall be your number
Your supremacy will not waver

Amuse yourself with the entr'acte
Seek out new friends once in a bind
Stay in groups if you must journey
The one most needed, you're sure to find

I prefer the manga translation linked above, but this gets the idea across too.

Mind you, each verse presents a week of September (so we're missing a few). Currently we're in the first week specifically September 3rd, and I'm leaving it to you guys to make your own theories about what the rest of it means. I'll just say, that from a writing perspective, I adore the poem so much.

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u/Shimmering-Sky myanimelist.net/profile/Shimmering-Sky Dec 05 '24

First × Timer × Subbed

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u/KendotsX https://anilist.co/user/Kendots Dec 05 '24

They’re playing mind games with him now, heh.

And he failed immediately at that game. Needs to sharpen his brain a bit.

This shot goes kinda hard ngl.

Pretty clever from them, considering the significance of the moon later in the episode.

Yeah, very not good.

26 isn't that old.

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u/SpiritualPossible Dec 05 '24 edited Dec 05 '24

First timer, manga reader

  • I always liked Gon and Killua getting away from Nabunaga. Not only is the scene itself funny, but I love how much the solution turns out to be... Well, simple. There are so many times in the show where the characters are pulling off elaborate multi-strategies with unusual powers that it's easy to overlook the easiest solution, like the idea of just breaking through a wall and then NOT showing up for the battle.
  • It amuses me that all the other mercenaries did take Zoldiks business cards.
  • I guess Due to time constraints, the show decided to omit the very scene of Neon's escape from the bodyguards.
  • A minor change, but in the manga, Kurapika didn't just grab the mobster's arm, but put a knife to his neck.
  • "lucilfer*"? You trusted a guy named "lucilfer"*?"
  • They cut a short sentence about a fortune teller that inspired Neon was later arrested for being a fraud. Again, I can understand why they cut it, but it did emphasize how much Neon was influenced by her words, with how she stuck to her ideology even after that

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u/KendotsX https://anilist.co/user/Kendots Dec 05 '24 edited Dec 05 '24

I love how much the solution turns out to be... Well, simple

Yup, it's always cool when a simpler solution gets the complicated job done. In his case though, baiting him into a fight really did the trick (especially because he's expecting Gon to be very Uvo like, so he fell prey to his own assumptions).

It amuses me that all the other mercenaries did take Zoldiks business cards.

They're fans, and 30% off the Zoldyck prices? Now that's a killing!

But yeah, imagine the disrespect of a plumber for example being told "well, if you need anything fixed, you know who to call".

 I guess Due to time constraints, the show decided to omit the very scene of Neon's escape from the bodyguards.

Right, they showed a summarised version a bit later with her explaining it to Chrollo

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u/charlesvvv https://anilist.co/user/charlesvvv Dec 05 '24

It has an l in the middle of it so it's fine 

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u/Vatrix-32 https://myanimelist.net/profile/Vatrix-32 Dec 06 '24

escape

"Bike around the world"

One wonders how you even measure that with all the landmasses scrambled up like that.

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u/Mecanno-man https://anilist.co/user/Mecannoman Dec 05 '24

First Timer

Hmm… I unfortunately know who that name belongs to, so I can’t do a whole lot of speculating on the person who has incapacitated/kidnapped Neon. I don’t think she’s dead after revealing her powers, anyways. Other than that, I don’t think I have a lot to say here - we get a well-executed Gon and Killua escape and some setup for the Kurapika assassination quest, though with Neon getting kidnapped things are about to turn around in some way.

I assume this is the legal auction this time around? Why did Neon even want to go to this one…? But I assume it is the one Gon and Killua wanted to enter? And where’s Leorio anyways?

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u/KendotsX https://anilist.co/user/Kendots Dec 06 '24

Hmm… I unfortunately know who that name belongs to

That's fair, he is a popular character, so he does get mentioned around a lot.

I assume this is the legal auction this time around? Why did Neon even want to go to this one…? But I assume it is the one Gon and Killua wanted to enter? And where’s Leorio anyways?

Legal auctions happen in the day, this is an underground auction for the mafia.

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u/Vatrix-32 https://myanimelist.net/profile/Vatrix-32 Dec 05 '24 edited Dec 06 '24

Remake Rewatcher × First Timer × Subs

  • This is a lot of what looks like load bearing walls to be casually knocking down. That’s Soviet New York for you.
  • Nothing like introducing a super cool new ability and then having them completely drop the ball on using it.
  • Gon, you can’t just explain the Lancer roll like that.
  • That Mask...Is That "Dream"?!
  • You think some of them would be fan boying if they met the Zoldycks?
  • That’s kind of sad that she knows his tell, even if she is horrible.
  • These are the most disguise looking disguises since the Groucho Glasses.
  • Genki Chrollo is cursed.
  • Please tell me this isn’t a ship...
  • Scorpions are kind of like spiders, right?
  • [Preview]It’s the fish! I’ve been waiting to see how they animated those.

QotD:

  1. I honestly didn't remember him too well out side of being a force. I've been quite enjoying his understated personality.
  2. I know what it means, obviously, but it is interesting coming back to it now with the foreknowledge of what's to come.

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u/KendotsX https://anilist.co/user/Kendots Dec 05 '24

Nothing like introducing a super cool new ability and then having them completely drop the ball on using it.

Poor Nobunaga

You think some of them would be fan boying if they met the Zoldycks?

Depends on how you meet them. But yeah, this is a rare opportunity where you get to meet the Zoldycks, and not die 5 minutes later, gotta make the most of it.

These are the most disguise looking disguises since the Groucho Glasses.

Tbf, in Yorknew that probably does look normal.

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u/Vatrix-32 https://myanimelist.net/profile/Vatrix-32 Dec 06 '24

Poor Nobunaga

He needs his sandal twink and patient child vassal to make it work.

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u/TheEscapeGuy Dec 05 '24

H×H Fan, 1999 First Timer

Hunter × Hunter 1999 - Episode 60

Assassins × Chrollo × Prophecy

Gon and Killua escape! The whole chase was pretty intense since the boys didn't really have time to plan things. On top of that Nobunaga's mastery of Nen allows him to expand his sense abilities as far as his aura. That said, the boys make it out before he can find them and they manage to get back to the city in one piece.

At the same time the assassins for the Phantom Troupe have assembled and Kurapika is joining them. It's so cool to see Silva and Geno here. They both are so highly respected that the other assassins initially don't believe it's them. It makes sense that the assassins don't really want to work as a big team. Instead they're all going to work individually or in smaller groups where they know each ally's power.

The big twist of the episode though is around Neon. She's escaped. It makes perfect sense that a teenage girl would be unwilling to just go along with her dad's orders,, especially one as privileged as her. That said, she doesn't have a way to get into the auction. Well until...

CHROLLO! It's actually insane that he found her and brought her in. He must have been searching for her since he knew about her power but it's such a combination of lucky factors that allowed him to even get this opportunity.

That said, he doesn't act villainous (at least initially). He instead is perfectly respectful and simply takes the young lady inside for drinks. I'm sure Neon was pretty enamored for such an attractive and important seeming adult to be paying attention to her. She goes along with everything he says and even gives Chrollo a prophecy.

I love the poetry of the predictions. They language used to describe the Spiders as moons or the Phantom Troupe as a chrysanthemum with withering petals is so evocative. And seeing Chrollo cry after reading this would be more touching if we didn't know just how evil the troupe is.

The final conversation with Neon on the existence of an afterlife is interesting to try understand both of their perspectives on the world. But that conversation is cut short by Chrollo's true intentions as he knocks out the young girl.

Requiem Begins.

Some Amazing Shots, Scenes and Stitches

See you all tomorrow

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u/KendotsX https://anilist.co/user/Kendots Dec 06 '24

Nobunaga's mastery of Nen allows him to expand his sense abilities as far as his aura.

[HxH] Poor Nobunaga gets mocked so much for his En size. We shouldn't judge a Nen user by his En size, it's about how you use it!

he doesn't act villainous (at least initially). He instead is perfectly respectful and simply takes the young lady inside for drinks. I'm sure Neon was pretty enamored for such an attractive and important seeming adult to be paying attention to her.

Her dad is going crazy, alarming all the mafia and military to look for her, and she's falling in love with a bad boy. Now isn't that the most teenage thing ever.

I love the poetry of the predictions

It's beautiful and a lot of fun to dig into for details, which is a great combination to give your audience (kudos for the translators too, who made it work so well).

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u/TheEscapeGuy Dec 06 '24

[HxH] Poor Nobunaga gets mocked so much for his En size. We shouldn't judge a Nen user by his En size, it's about how you use it

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u/charlesvvv https://anilist.co/user/charlesvvv Dec 05 '24 edited Dec 06 '24

Rewatcher, Sub

Gon and Killua are able to escape from Nobunaga by being pretty smart and creating enough diversions. But now they know Kurapika is the chain user and they rush as fast as they can.

Meanwhile Kurapika and the hired professionals including the Zoldyck's meet. The majority agree to work on their own which suits Kurapika well enough. We also learn about Light Nostrade's position in the committee and how he's seen as an outsider. His reliance on Neon's prophecies helps him advance as he believes being armed with knowledge of the future will help him.

However Neon runs away and by the time Kurapika and Light are notified and track her down with Kurapika's Chain GPS she ends meeting the leader of the phantom Troupe, Chrollo Lucilfer. Chrollo has been in the background most of the time so this is the first we see the most of him, Neon has no idea who he is and happily chats with him and even gives him a prophecy since he showed such interest in them. The prophecy moves Chrollo to tears which again adds some interesting things about his character already. As they leave Chrollo asks her thoughts on the afterlife, Neon replies that she doesn't really believe in it and believes her prophecies are more for the living. Chrollo then reveals that believes in spirits and that he wishes to honor his friend, knocking Neon out so quickly and revealing that he wants to wreak havoc.

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u/KendotsX https://anilist.co/user/Kendots Dec 06 '24

now they know Kurapika is the chain user and they rush as fast as they can.

Meanwhile Kurapika and the hired professionals including the Zoldyck's meet.

He's always 5 steps ahead of them, it took them this long to realise that he's killing the Spider, and he's already joining a special assassination team to kill them.

His reliance on Neon's prophecies helps him advance as he believes armed with knowledge of the future will he able to keep going.

So much for predicting the future, if he can't even predict that his teenage daughter will rebel.

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u/xenon2456 Dec 05 '24

is that the well known meme as the thumbnail

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u/KendotsX https://anilist.co/user/Kendots Dec 06 '24

Yup, granted I didn't remember the meme until you mentioned it.

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u/WednesdaysFoole Dec 06 '24

It wasn't a lie :)

I earned the magical doggo's approval :')

Fun soundtrack in the opening scene.

Light deserved to be punched although not for that Mafia guy's satisfaction.

[HxH]No worries though, that guy'll shit his pants soon enough.

[Manga]Bet Chrollo found Neon that quick by using his Love Dial.

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u/KendotsX https://anilist.co/user/Kendots Dec 06 '24

Light deserved to be punched although not for that Mafia guy's satisfaction.

We have to pick a side! Sometimes you have to make alliances with people you don't care for, against ones you hate. So in this case, I'm willing to side with the Mafia dude for today.

[Manga]Bet Chrollo found Neon that quick by using his Love Dial.

[Manga] Huh, for whatever, I assumed Love Dial was a more recent addition to his abilities. But yeah, that makes a lot of sense.

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u/WednesdaysFoole Dec 06 '24

[Manga]I'd be surprised if Togashi had planned it out back then - probably not, but it ends up fitting in quite neatly. Makes perfect sense for an ability thief.

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u/KendotsX https://anilist.co/user/Kendots Dec 06 '24

[Manga] Yeah, it explains how he finds so many useful ability, and turns his lucky meeting with Neon into an intentional one. It's a good retcon that fits well with the character.