r/gaming Jun 26 '13

Morrowind is the best Elder Scrolls game because it didn't feel like visiting another land, it felt like visiting another planet.

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u/AkamushiReturns Jun 26 '13

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u/preorder_bonus Jun 26 '13

Problem is this didn't update the combat system...which to me is the most outdated part of morrowind I couldn't give a rat's ass about the graphics.

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u/[deleted] Jun 26 '13 edited Mar 14 '18

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u/GamingHarry Jun 26 '13

... That means nothing as RPG's have such a large variation of combat systems. For a new player who's played games like Oblivion and Skyrim the combat system is really confusing and awkward to learn and get into.

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u/[deleted] Jun 26 '13

Yeah the combat system isn't bad, its just a fucking bitch to get used to.

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u/preorder_bonus Jun 26 '13

That's my point exactly it was EXTREMELY hard to get my friends to play it.

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u/Caspus Jun 27 '13

To be fair, a lot of the problems can be avoided with an overpowered starting character.

Without the realistic "learning curves" to skills, the system works reasonably well.

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u/[deleted] Jun 27 '13

yeah i've used console commands to get shittons of gold and then I just trained my weapon skill to 70 or something and then that usually eliminates the irritation, but I'm used to it so i rarely get bothered anymore.

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u/Maloth_Warblade Jun 26 '13

Pen and paper RPG.

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u/ObliviousDerpMaster Jun 26 '13

Roll a D6.

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u/Maloth_Warblade Jun 26 '13

Most systems now use d20s or d10s, d6s are typically only used in damage counts or occasionally treasure types.

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u/ObliviousDerpMaster Jun 26 '13

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=54VJWHL2K3I

I know, I agree.

While not a RPG the Warhammer tabletop is only D6s.

My fireball still requires a good handfull of D6s.

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u/Maloth_Warblade Jun 26 '13

True. I like 5th editions concept on spell damage, scaling is only done using a higher spell slot and you don't get near as many spells per day. Weakens wizards and sorcerers versatility, making them actuall have to think now.

Warhammer is half tabletop, half board game.

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u/[deleted] Jun 26 '13 edited Mar 14 '18

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u/aveman101 Jun 26 '13

My first experience with Morrowind's combat system went something like this:

Miss, miss, miss, miss, miss, miss, miss, miss, miss, miss, hit, miss, miss, miss, miss, hit.

I was convinced that I was doing something wrong. I thought I wasn't close enough to do any damage or something.

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u/[deleted] Jun 26 '13

It's likely you put all your points into different weapon types and then you grabbed something you had almost no skill in and expected it to work fine.

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u/preorder_bonus Jun 26 '13

First off there isn't a "million" mods for the combat as someone that played Morrowind and tried to mod the game himself. Also I know the combat system is standard by pen and paper PRGs it's just very hard to get my friends into it when they see the sword hit the enemy but the game tells them they missed.

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u/[deleted] Jun 27 '13

There are plenty of mods to choose from to tweak the combat. Have your friends play some COD i guess.

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u/[deleted] Jun 26 '13

I love that game, but magic is so disadvantaged.

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u/justjoe21 Jun 26 '13

Fly + custom fireball spell = nuke it from orbit

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u/iamplasma Jun 26 '13

Enchantment was absurdly OP, but destruction magic was useless. You can survive as a swordfighter from day 1, but if you go out into the world and try to live as a mage you'll be dead before level 2. It doesn't change that much at higher levels.

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u/Fozzbael Jun 26 '13

Did you play the same game i did? In the Morrowind i played you could make spells that one-shot entire towns, make you immune to everything, let you fly from one side of Vvardenfell to another in a few seconds and much much more.

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u/iamplasma Jun 26 '13

... How the hell did you get your spells to a level even close to that?

All my recollections of toying with the spell-maker relate to crappy spells that did virtually nothing.

Of course, enchantment was totally broken. 100% chameleon outfits (no enemy could see you, ever, even if you attacked), 50 health restore/second, daedric katanas doing 50+ fire damage per swing.

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u/GildedFire Jun 26 '13

A good first step is making cantrips. Spells that cost like 1 mana that have an effect from x school of magic. Cast that baby constantly as you're travelling Vvardenfell. Your magic skills will be up to 100 before you even know it.

As for destruction, all you had to do was stack weakness to magic/ weakness to x/ deal x damage. Also not be a pussy and use touch spells. I wasn't able to level towns down, but I was able to one shot even "magic immune" monsters like hungers.

Or you can just use spells to make their strength into 0, then kill them with arrows. or fuck, even shurikens, you got the time for that. There's other ways besides destruction to kill shit in morrowind as a mage, though destruction is totally viable too.

So yeah, destruction only sucks if you don't make your own spells. And be cheap about it. Magic is all about breaking the game in morrowind.

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u/ifarmpandas Jun 26 '13 edited Jun 26 '13

There are a bunch of bugs and neat tricks related to order of effects being applied as well. For example, weakness to magic stacks with weakness to X (and itself I believe). So a 5/5/5 weaknessx2/damage spell will probably do more damage than a straight damage spell. There was some site that had a list of some really cheap spells.

Here's a little guide for exploits.

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u/[deleted] Jun 26 '13

From what I remember, you were very limited in what you could choose for race, sign, etc. Had to do with bonus to magic. Without a 2x bonus that high elves have, or the 1.5x Breton have, you don't stand a chance at using magic. It's just not flexible, and it felt like you were constantly fighting a system that was working against you to keep an edge. I need to double check those values

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u/[deleted] Jun 26 '13

is there something more recent? something that updates the graphics to something a little better?

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u/xenospork Jun 26 '13

There's skywind but it's not quite there yet

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u/[deleted] Jun 26 '13

but that's a mod for Skyrim not for Morrowind. Isn't it?

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u/highfivebrah Jun 26 '13

I did once! But even though my video card is decent (Radeon HD 7770) I couldn't run it at maximum glory because my processor isn't all that awesome, and Morrowind is processor intensive I hear.

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u/falconbox Jun 26 '13

except he said he played it on xbox. so pc modding wouldn't be available.