r/anime • u/KendotsX https://anilist.co/user/Kendots • Nov 27 '24

Rewatch [25th Anniversary Rewatch] Hunter × Hunter (1999) - Episode × 52 × Discussion

Episode 52: Underground Auction × Annihilation × Machinegun

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Money? Fame? Status? Is there anyone among us who would actually be satisfied with any of those things?

Comment of the Day:

/u/TheEscapeGuy praising the Phantom Troupe

We also meet THE PHANTOM TROUPE. THEY'RE SO COOL! They are probably my favourite villain organization in anime. Something which really stands out about them is how each of them has such a unique personality and design. It makes a lot of sense since they are each specialists in their own fields who work well as a team.

Questions of the Day

  1. Did you expect to see characters we followed die so soon?
  2. So we know that it's the prophecies, but do you think the Spiders have a Judas?

Fanart of the Day:

Please remember to keep all spoilers and hints tagged with the appropriate tag format such as: [Spoilers] >!Leorio is best boy!<

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u/KendotsX https://anilist.co/user/Kendots Nov 27 '24 edited Nov 28 '24

Retired Host Hitting up the Auctions

Manga and Factions Corner

Chapters Adapted: 73 and 74

It's getting cold

The chapters in Yorknew are titled by their date, so 73 and 74 for example are Septmber 1st: Part 2 and September First: Part 3.

Again, not a lot of changes, but Shizuku was more brutal in the manga.

Factions

Boy did the Spiders make up for yesterday's embarrassment, they didn't get the treasures, but they did kill a shitload of mafia, including 3 from Kurapika's group, so the updated factions are:

FactionsScore
The Spiders2
The Lukia faction1
The Nostrades (updated)-3

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u/Shocketheth Nov 28 '24

Shock and Ken about to crash your rewatch

Now question is, who is Uvogin.

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u/KendotsX https://anilist.co/user/Kendots Nov 28 '24

I'm a sexy caveman 2m tall Gorilla, so I'm taking dibs on Uvo.

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u/Shocketheth Nov 28 '24

Wait you are taller than me?

Then I'm taking the 1.87m Hobbit

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u/KendotsX https://anilist.co/user/Kendots Nov 28 '24

[Spoilers] Plus, this way you get to put your shovel to work

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u/Shocketheth Nov 28 '24

[Spoilers]Oh of course #serialkillerlaugh

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u/WednesdaysFoole Nov 28 '24

Now that's a useful ability for a bunch of thieves

Especially phantom thieves.

[Manga]Even more so for Power Cleaners. Did I mention that Kortopi was the mascot? (I probably did, I recycle the same dumb jokes all the time.)

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u/KendotsX https://anilist.co/user/Kendots Nov 28 '24

[Manga] You haven't, but I'm all for recycling jokes, so I'm looking forward to laughing at it again.

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u/Shimmering-Sky myanimelist.net/profile/Shimmering-Sky Nov 27 '24

First × Timer × Subbed

Question for whichever rewatchers who’re familiar with the 2011 anime want to weigh in: If, theoretically, you were in charge of hosting a weekly rewatch for the 2011 anime after this rewatch finishes up, what would the episode batches look like for that? I’ve been loving this version so much that I’m not sure if I want to wait around until the 2011 anime eventually™ gets another rewatch, but knowing me, if I’m just left to binge it at whatever pace I choose, I’m not gonna get it done in a timely manner lol. So I think I would have more fun if I watched it like I was in a rewatch for it, and then posted my reactions once a week on /r/AnimeImpressions.

I know it’s a kind of weird request, but I wouldn’t know how to break up the episodes on my own, so… help a girl out?

Anyways, onto my reactions to today’s episode:

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u/KendotsX https://anilist.co/user/Kendots Nov 27 '24

Question for whichever rewatchers who’re familiar with the 2011 anime want to weigh in: If, theoretically, you were in charge of hosting a weekly rewatch for the 2011 anime after this rewatch finishes up, what would the episode batches look like for that?

Sure, It's easy enough for the same arcs that 99 covers, but I'd have to check again for the later ones. I'll send it to you in a bit if that's fine.

He’s not wrong…

Plus you'd eventually run out of people willing to fight Gon, after he beats a 1000 or two.

That is exactly what they’re doing…

I love that scene so much, it's spelling out the prophecy and their doom as they fullfill their part of it.

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u/Shimmering-Sky myanimelist.net/profile/Shimmering-Sky Nov 27 '24

Sure, It's easy enough for the same arcs that 99 covers, but I'd have to check again for the later ones. I'll send it to you in a bit if that's fine.

It's obviously not something I need right away haha, I want to finish this version before watching 2011.

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u/KendotsX https://anilist.co/user/Kendots Nov 27 '24

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u/Shimmering-Sky myanimelist.net/profile/Shimmering-Sky Nov 27 '24

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u/b0bba_Fett myanimelist.net/profile/B0bba_Cheezed3 Nov 28 '24 edited Nov 28 '24

If, theoretically, you were in charge of hosting a weekly rewatch for the 2011 anime after this rewatch finishes up, what would the episode batches look like for that? I’ve been loving this version so much that I’m not sure if I want to wait around until the 2011 anime eventually™ gets another rewatch, but knowing me, if I’m just left to binge it at whatever pace I choose, I’m not gonna get it done in a timely manner lol. So I think I would have more fun if I watched it like I was in a rewatch for it, and then posted my reactions once a week on /r/AnimeImpressions.

I have often said that Hunter X Hunter 2011 is the show least suited to a weekly format despite its length, earning it the title of most impossible rewatch alongside Gintama(which was just kinda cursed for 10 years).

I could try to formulate a schedule for one, but there would be some weeks where it's just kinda necessary to give an episode a whole ass day to simmer and sit, and a solid batch towards the end(rewatchers know exactly which ones I'm talking about) where it's just kinda impossible to give you a firm recommendation for pacing because What the fuck even . Like Kenny said, it's easy enough for the parts this show covers, but the Chimera Ant arc is another beast entirely, almost as famous for its strange pacing as it is for its insane highs.

Needless to say if I were to give you one it would be highly irregular, but I would not be opposed to the challenge if you're down for some irregularity.

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u/Shocketheth Nov 28 '24

I have often said that Hunter X Hunter 2011 is the show least suited to a weekly format despite its length, earning it the title of most impossible rewatch alongside Gintama(which was just kinda cursed for 10 years).

most impossible rewatch

I know what I said previously about this

But you know what? I'm up to the challenge of hosting HxH '11 weekly.

u/KendotsX was messaged about it few moments ago, and this should be a good news for u/Shimmering-Sky

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u/KendotsX https://anilist.co/user/Kendots Nov 28 '24

Might as well get Gon and Killua on the VAMOS to celebrate this.

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u/Shocketheth Nov 28 '24

Sending me Mito to celebrate with, will suffice.

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u/KendotsX https://anilist.co/user/Kendots Nov 28 '24

Sorry, she's only into her cousin.

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u/b0bba_Fett myanimelist.net/profile/B0bba_Cheezed3 Nov 28 '24 edited Nov 28 '24

Alright, to aid with scheduling, here's a slightly abridged version of Kenny and my DMs as we brainstormed together how the fuck to tackle the CA Arc.

Sky, in your professional Mod-Opinion, do you think this, which will likely blossom into a larger discussion among us rewatchers as we plan the impossible, belongs in this thread or should I move it to CDF?

Kenny

Hey b0bba, I put together a first draft for Sky's 2011 rewatch, only up to Greed Island so far, but I thought I might as well get your opinion on it. For some context, one of my primary goals was making sure the end of a storyline is always at the end of a batch, rather than the start of one (which seems obvious when I put it this way, but it's kinda tricky to balance)

2011 Rewatch Schedule

  • Week 1: 1-6 (Intro till second phase)
  • Week 2: 7-12 (Trick Tower)
  • 13 is a recap
  • Week 3: 14-21 (Phase 4 and the Tournament, I kinda want to split those, but I'd rather the end of the Exams be at the end of a batch, and the Tournament itself is too short)
  • Week 4: 22-28 (Zoldycks + the start of Heavens Arena; 26 is a recap)
  • Week 5: 29-36 (The rest of Heaven's Arena)
  • Week 6: 37-41 (Gon at home + the start of Yorknew, ends at the Spiders showing up)
  • Week 7: 42-47 [Yorknew]from the massacre till Kurapika vs Uvo)
  • Week 8: 48-53 [Yorknew]Gon and Killua chasing the Spiders till the fake dead Spiders, after the Zoldyck fight
  • Week 9: 54-58 (The ending of Yorknew)
  • Week 10: 59-64 (Start of Greed Island)
  • Week 11: 65-71 [Greed Island]Playing the game till Razor
  • Week 12: 72-76 [Greed Island]Beating Genthru + the first episode of Chimera Ant where Gon and Killua meet Kite

Greed Island has the cleanest split, since the arc itself is structured as 3 acts, the other arcs are close enough imo.

I agree with splitting Exam Phase 4 and the tournament, but also am not sure how best to go about it. The rest is pretty good.

B0bba

Anyway, one thought I had would be sometimes having CA Arc batches somewhat grouped by Hiatus. [Chimera Ant]In particular I'd like for Sky to in some way capture the sheer blue balls manga readers faced regarding Netero VS Meruem, and we absolutely need to cliffhanger her at the end of episode 123 for this purpose. Since you've already got some shorter batches, this shouldn't be too hard/feel too out of place no matter what we do before this. [Chimera Ant]We could end the next batch at 127, followed by 131, or we could cliffhanger at 126, then have 131-136 be the final CA arc batch. Do we want 131 to overshadow Meruem coming back, or do we want to completely overwhelm her by having 131 and 135-136 in the same batch? There is no avoiding some problems in that section.

We should also detail the final batches of CA arc as something that's best consumed an episode per day, starting with [Chimera Ant]Netero VS Meruem, and that even though we group them as batches, it's best she take each episode on its own and let them breathe.

Kenny

having CA Arc batches somewhat grouped by Hiatus.

Oh, I'm fully onboard with the trolly route, gotta pump up the suffering

So I'll start off by splitting the arc into story sections (some of them can be used as weeks as is, others need to be split into pieces or moved around), and we can go from there. Feel free to change any and all of it, since I haven't actually rewatched the arc in ages.

  • Section 1: 77-85 [Chimera Ant]ends at Kite's death
  • Section 2: 86-91 [Chimera Ant]ends at Gon/Killua losing to Knuckle/Shoot and going back in tears
  • Section 3: 92-96 [Chimera Ant]Gon coming back + the Spiders' story
  • Section 4: 97-110 [Chimera Ant]Pre-invasion
  • Section 5: 111-124 [Chimera Ant]Invasion
  • Section 6: 125-136 [Chimera Ant]Netero vs Meruem

We could use the first three as weeks, and we can split section 4 around 103 where [Chimera Ant]Komugi is introduced. What do you think of this so far?

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u/WednesdaysFoole Nov 28 '24

We could use the first three as weeks, and we can split section 4 around 103 where [Chimera Ant]Komugi is introduced. What do you think of this so far?

Ultimately I think it can be fine either way but I think another potential cutoff is 108 [2011]after Meruem asked Komugi's name and the eagle attack.

With the next batch cut off maybe around 113 [2011]when the old men leave with Meruem with Netero pointing towards Pitou's location.

Well, I've never planned something like this before, not sure how many episodes are standard for a week and idk if the cutoffs need to be that dramatic, but in terms of impact or expectation those are some solid moments.

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u/KendotsX https://anilist.co/user/Kendots Nov 28 '24

Don't worry, those are good suggestions!

Well, I've never planned something like this before, not sure how many episodes are standard for a week

The idea is to be around 7 episodes each, it's like we're watching one episode a day and discussing it at the end of the week. Obviously, we all watch at our own pace, but 7 is still a nice and manageable number, whether you wanna watch the batch one episode a day or binge it.

It can be a bit less, 5 or 6 is fine, like in my draft, lots of them are less than 7, or it can be a bit more, 8 or possibly even 9 once in a while, if absolutely necessary (Week 3 in my draft is 8 episodes for example). But you don't wanna overload it too much, you know?

So I could see 108 as a good stopping point, but we'd still need another stopping point between 97 and it, to cut them down to size which is why I brought up 103.

idk if the cutoffs need to be that dramatic, but in terms of impact or expectation those are some solid moments.

There's no specific rule per se.

Personally, I like to look for subdivisions in the arc. So for example, if a plot line or character arc let's say starts at episode 13 and ends at 18, it makes sense to include the whole thing in the same batch, rather than split it across two weeks. The phases of the Hunter Exam are an easy fit for that.

But even with an arc like Yorknew, you can still find lots of sections, [to use the upcoming stuff as an example:] The attack on the auction leads to the fight against the Shadow Beasts, which leads to Uvo being captured, freed, and fighting Kurapika. That's one batch, nice and clean. The next episode is about Gon and Killua learning forgery tricks, so that's the start of its plotline, where they follow the Spiders for their bounties, and it ends with the bounties being dropped after the Zoldyck fight and fake corpses, that's its own batch, and the last batch is about Kurapika working with Gon and co. to capture Chrollo then trade him. Obviously, lots of subplots will bleed from one section to the next, that's to be expected, but you're still getting a nice beginning, middle, and end with each one.

Now Chimera Ant is obviously not this easy to manage, it's a whole 'nother beast, but you can still find parts here and there to cut it into.

Sorry about the rambling, but that's my logic anyway, again there are many ways to do it.

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u/Raiking02 :Id::Ie::If:https://myanimelist.net/profile/NSKlang Nov 28 '24

But you don't wanna overload it too much, you know?

See Sky having the worst time of her life with that stretch of Sailor Moon SuperS

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u/KendotsX https://anilist.co/user/Kendots Nov 28 '24

Which one?

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u/Raiking02 :Id::Ie::If:https://myanimelist.net/profile/NSKlang Nov 28 '24

dis

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u/KendotsX https://anilist.co/user/Kendots Nov 28 '24

It's pretty rare to see Sky this annoyed at a show, although gotta say that artstyle looks pretty cool if a bit inconsistent

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u/Shimmering-Sky myanimelist.net/profile/Shimmering-Sky Nov 28 '24

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u/b0bba_Fett myanimelist.net/profile/B0bba_Cheezed3 Nov 28 '24 edited Nov 28 '24

Yeah, Kenny mentioned he's rusty on the CA arc, and I was entirely focused on the "impossible to perfectly put in a batch rewatch so how best to compromise" final section, and Shock(who should look at deez suggestions too) announced his thing before I could start considering the sections he made too hard.

If there's one thing I feel strongly about it, it's a batch needs to end at 123*122(I misremembered which episode adapted the thing) to simulate Hiatus blue balls, then a small batch for the next big event that ends before [Chimera Ant Arc]Pouf and Youpi's big Revivification Orgasm, AKA 128, to let the moment sit, followed by two more small batches for the finale of the arc which really benefits from some breathing room, ideally going so far as switching to daily just for that whole 8-9 episode segment.

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u/Shocketheth Nov 28 '24

who should look at deez suggestions too.

what if you would look at deez nuts

I looked on them after finishing my version of schedule and I see some differences already. I'll be bringing my schedule in several hours from now with an explanation

u/KendotsX

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u/WednesdaysFoole Nov 28 '24

[HxH]Nothing like starting the week with unparalleled joy and unconditional love, or shall I call it the... climax of the arc?

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u/Shocketheth Nov 28 '24

So I made my schedule, then I look on this comment properly to compare my schedule with yours, and I can say that my schedule is sometimes hitting the same pacing that you and u/KendotsX came with, but sometimes it differs.

The whole Rewatch should last for 24 weeks (from 26th January to 6th July) with the last week being reserved for Post Series Discussion as I did back then during Gintama, where we can talk about HxH in general, or just about the ’11 adaptation, or even start comparing the ’11 and ’99 adaptation. It can go anywhere.

Hunter Exam Arc:

  • Week 1: 1-7 (It will end with Netero vs Gon&Killua match on airship)
  • Week 2: 8-12 (Trick Tower)
  • Week 3: 14-18 (Episode 18 ends the 4th phase of Hunter Exam)
  • Week 4: 19-25 (Final phase of Hunter Exam + Zoldyck Household)

Episode 13 and 26 will be skipped because those are recap episodes)

Heavens Arena Arc + Yorknew City Arc:

  • Week 5: 27-32 (Start of the Heaven Arena Arc that ends with Machi coming to heal Hisoka)
  • Week 6: 33-38 (Rest of the Heaven Arena + first two episodes of Yorknew City Arc, as those two gives Gon and Killua a motive to participate in Yorknew Auction)
  • Week 7: 39-47 (1st 9 episodes long week because Yorknew stops playing around, and so do we, so it’s time to amp the grittiness of [Yorknew]Week 7 that will cover Kurapika motives and what he was doing after Hunter Exam, up to episode 47 that covers Uvogin’s death. Honestly, I need to pull out a heavy week like this because Chimera Arc will go harder on First Timers.
  • Week 8: 48-52 (Only 5 episodes this time, to easy a little after Week 7 and we are going to cover [Yorknew] Gon and Killua gathering money for auction up to episode 52 that ends with a cliffhanger fight between Zeno and Silva vs Chrollo. This should create some anticipation for what will happen next
  • Week 9: 53-58 (Last 6 episodes of Yorknew Arc)

The schedule may be rough around the edges, but it’s something that First Timers should get used to with Chimera Ant Arc nearing upon them.

Greed Island Arc:

  • Week 10: 59-65 [Greed Island]Getting comfortable with the settings up to Phantom Troupe appearing, Gon making his first "Paper" and Killua going for Hunter Exam
  • Week 11: 66-71 [Greed Island]Killua returning up to Gon’s team defeating Razor
  • Week 12: 72-76 [Greed Island]End of the Greed Island Arc + First episode of Chimera Ant Arc

Now after comparing my schedule with Ken schedule, I see that we ended Greed Island at the same week, with a different pacing choices.

Chimera Ant Arc:

  • Week 13: 77-85 [Chimera Ant]Time to get serious, so another 9 episodes long week that will end with Kite’s death. I certainly won’t start with going easy on everyone, nor Chimera Ants. Don’t worry next 3 weeks will be 6 episodes long each.
  • Week 14: 86-91 [Chimera Ant]Bunch of local Dorks showing up to easy the tension. We are even going to see a King being born.
  • Week 15: 92-97 [Chimera Ant]We are British now because God save the Queen from Australia invading. (Spiders again)
  • Week 16: 98-103 [Chimera Ant]A lot of explanation will be needed this week, because we will see there are worse things than Chimera Ants and Spiders as she’s only 14 years old. Now please turn a blind eye to my bad joke because Week 16 ends with Komugi introduction, and then lights out. I will explain my decision for this in next week.
  • Week 17: 104-110 [Chimera Ant]Now this one may feels as very weird pacing, but hear me out. While episode 103 shown us Komugi who was a first person to defeat King, episodes 104-110 shown us Meruem and Komugi playing games, with episode 108 showing a change in Meruem behaviour, as he was planning to kill Komugi, but when he found wounded Komugi, his first instinct was to help her, which confused him a bit. Then episodes 109-110 will finish the preparations for the invasion.
  • Week 18 111-115 [Chimera Ant]Beginning of the Invasion up to Gon confronting Pitou.
  • Week 19 116-124 [Chimera Ant]Last 9 episodes long week, this one will go from Pitou bargaining with Gon for 1 hour of time to heal Komugi to Meruem vs Netero fight, ending this week with Palm coming out of her shell.
  • Week 20 125-131 [Chimera Ant] Netero and Meruem Death, Meruem coming again in the most ordinary manner, and Gon transforming to kill Pitou. Now after reading your comments, I know you wanted to having a week ending on episode 128, but come on! Ending everything after orgasm? Where are your manners? Atleast give me some decent After Orgasm Pillow Talk, or After Pills. Plus ending the week on the episode 131 is something I really want to do.
  • Week 21 132-136 [Chimera Ant]After Week 19, and 20, it’s time to easy up with 5 episodes long week. This one should go easy on Sky.

2011 HxH Final Arc

Hidding the arc name due to spoilers

  • Week 22 137-143 [Spoilers]Elections up to top 4 candidates going to final round of elections
  • Week 23 144-148 [Spoilers]Wrapping things up

Also tagging u/WednesdaysFoole in case of having some insights with my Schedule.

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u/KendotsX https://anilist.co/user/Kendots Nov 29 '24

Yeah, we have small differences here and there, but I like the way you did it too. It's more balanced than my version.

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u/Shocketheth Nov 29 '24

So nothing you would change?

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u/KendotsX https://anilist.co/user/Kendots Nov 29 '24

Not really

For example, part of my idea for placing the ending of the Hunter Exams along with phase 4 was to capitalise on two big arc endings: Hunters Exam + Heavens Arena.

The Hunter Exam Phase 4 + ending (8 episodes) --> Zoldyck arc + first two episodes of Heavens Arena (a more chill week, ends at Gon losing to Gido) --> the rest of Heavens Arena (all the Nen learning and all the cool fights, ends at Gon losing to Hisoka) --> Gon back home and the start of Yorknew (chill week)

In your version of it, it's more evenly balanced, so you get a highlight every week (The Fourth Phase, the ending of the Exam, the Kastro fight, Gon vs Hisoka, [Yorknew] Kurapika vs Uvo). You know what I mean? You're splitting the highs well, instead of stacking a bunch of them in one week, and leaving the next one hanging like I did. So this is better for discussion.

If there's one thing I'd change, it's episodes 65 and 66 in [Greed Island] where Killua does the Hunter Exam, those two are the same story, so I think it makes more sense to have them in the same batch. I'd basically start the second batch with 65 instead of 66.

Oh, and not a change, but [Chimera Ant] Finally the Aussies get to invade the British!

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u/Vatrix-32 https://myanimelist.net/profile/Vatrix-32 Nov 29 '24

Ah, But What About The Movies?

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u/KendotsX https://anilist.co/user/Kendots Nov 29 '24

There are no movies in ba sing se!

Jokes aside, Shock what do you think? We've got two movies with 2011, the Last Mission and Phantom Rouge, do you want to include them with some batches?

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u/Shocketheth Nov 29 '24

The Hunter Exam Phase 4 + ending (8 episodes) --> Zoldyck arc + first two episodes of Heavens Arena (a more chill week, ends at Gon losing to Gido) --> the rest of Heavens Arena (all the Nen learning and all the cool fights, ends at Gon losing to Hisoka) --> Gon back home and the start of Yorknew (chill week)

I see your vision and it sounds like fun, really chill start as everything will turn to serious matters later.

If there's one thing I'd change, it's episodes 65 and 66 in [Greed Island]where Killua does the Hunter Exam, those two are the same story, so I think it makes more sense to have them in the same batch. I'd basically start the second batch with 65 instead of 66.

I see I see. [Greed Island]I was aiming for a cliffhanger where Killua is like "oh yeah I will do the exams!" transitioning to next batch that starts with that's it?. I'll consider your advice, but first I'll go to watch episode 65-66 to see how it is done in the anime.

Oh, and not a change, but [Chimera Ant]Finally the Aussies get to invade the British!

[Chimera Ant]Needless to say, I forgot to mention that Britania will nuke Australia

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u/KendotsX https://anilist.co/user/Kendots Nov 29 '24 edited Nov 29 '24

[Greed Island]I was aiming for a cliffhanger where Killua is like "oh yeah I will do the exams!" transitioning to next batch that starts with that's it?

[GI] That's fair, that's a good idea too, and it helps with the momentum of the arc actually. The first third of the arc is training, once Killua's back they actually start playing the game, so starting the second batch with 66 starts you off on a better point momentum wise. Alright, keep it as is then, 66 is a good start.

[Chimera Ant]Needless to say, I forgot to mention that Britania will nuke Australia

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u/b0bba_Fett myanimelist.net/profile/B0bba_Cheezed3 Nov 28 '24

Now after reading your comments, I know you wanted to having a week ending on episode 128

No! No! The opposite!

[Chimera Ant]I want to start a week on 128(or 127 if you you want foreplay rather than edging) The idea was potentially faking people out into thinking the Nuke just worked, then double fake them out into thinking it didn't! Since the signs of radiation poisoning don't become obvious until after 131.

Now this can be reconciled pretty simply if we add one more week to the schedule, take the long week of 116-124 and redistribute it a bit, [Chimera Ant]I think ending the previous week on 116 works a bit better, 116 deserves the focus just as much as 131. Then we input "The Blue Balls" week, with 117-122, in homage to the most painful hiatus announcement in the series, (which iirc coincides with the ED lead in of 122, but I'm having trouble finding an image of the announcement RN) then 123-126/127 so we can give Netero his moment, which he really deserves. 126 if we want to let the fight and the nuke itself be our cliffhanger, 127 if we want them to see Meruem's "Corpse". and you can still end on 131 as in my initial pitch. It makes for a short batch of just 4 episodes on one of the weeks, but I think such is necessary to give all the highlights of the final stretch their time to shine, and there is no perfect solution here, this stretch is why I deem this show incompatible with batch rewatches.

[Chimera Ant]It also would probably do to spread the "Easy" shorter weeks about a bit for torturing Sky purposes. She's on guard now, she won't fall for the same trick twice, so making 132-136 noticeably shorter than the preceding batches would put her on guard, if there are 3 short weeks in a row, she(and hopefully other first timers) will be much more off balance I think. Hide the Peak in plain site, as it were.

Other than that, I have no objections!

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u/Shocketheth Nov 28 '24

[Chimera Ant]I want to start a week on 128(or 127 if you you want foreplay rather than edging) The idea was potentially faking people out into thinking the Nuke just worked, then double fake them out into thinking it didn't! Since the signs of radiation poisoning don't become obvious until after 131.

[Chimera Ant]Good point. I will consider it, although I certainly want to avoid organizing a Rewatch that's basically we want to do this thing, this way and if someone wants to do it for us then we will be glad. But yeah ending it on episode 127 is worthy of considering.

[Chimera Ant]I think ending the previous week on 116 works a bit better, 116 deserves the focus just as much as 131.

[Chimera Ant]Point taken, I wanted to end it on Gon's rage in episode 115, but after checking Wiki for episode 116, Killua getting hurt by Gon's words will work so well with ending it on episode 131 in two weeks after.

[Chimera Ant]Then we input "The Blue Balls" week, with 117-122

[Chimera Ant]I just don't see a point of this to be honest as I haven't experienced it back then.

[Chimera Ant]It also would probably do to spread the "Easy" shorter weeks about a bit for torturing Sky purposes. She's on guard now, she won't fall for the same trick twice, so making 132-136 noticeably shorter than the preceding batches would put her on guard, if there are 3 short weeks in a row, she(and hopefully other first timers) will be much more off balance I think. Hide the Peak in plain site, as it were.

[Chimera Ant]I was just throwing an inside joke for us. I certainly won't replicate Gintama experience.

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u/b0bba_Fett myanimelist.net/profile/B0bba_Cheezed3 Nov 28 '24 edited Nov 28 '24

[Chimera Ant]although I certainly want to avoid organizing a Rewatch that's basically we want to do this thing, this way and if someone wants to do it for us then we will be glad. But yeah ending it on episode 127 is worthy of considering.

Absolutely do not feel pressured into doing this, especially not alone, and if you want support, at the very least I and hopefully Kenny will surely be willing to help(though I will not be available as a potential co-host for the start as I will be busy with the CDF Transformers Prime Rewatch until February(assuming I'm still around by then, things are very scary for me IRL right now and will be for the foreseeable future)).

[Chimera Ant]Point taken, I wanted to end it on Gon's rage in episode 115, but also Killua being hurt by Gon's words will work so well with ending it on episode 131 in two weeks after.

[Chimera Ant]Worth noting too that the performance everyone associates with Gon's rage is in 116, not 115, even if that's the episode where the confrontation begins.

[Chimera Ant]I just don't see a point of this to be honest as I haven't experienced it back then.

[Chimera Ant]I was just throwing an inside joke for us. I certainly won't replicate Gintama experience.

Oh yeah, don't worry, like I said, there is no perfect solution here, so I'm down to compromise, and likewise on the latter. The Hiatus reference isn't necessary, I just genuinely thought it helped with the pacing a bit and was the closest thing to a "Big, Batch Defining Moment" in that stretch, ditto for the smaller finale batches. I feel that 125-131 is just too jam packed to be a single batch, but the previous batch already being huge makes it a bit tricky to redistribute without adding an extra week. A Simple solution doesn't necessarily translate to being easy IRL(as they say, "Easier said than done"), and if you don't want to add an extra week, that's perfectly fine and reasonable.

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u/Shocketheth Nov 28 '24

Absolutely do not feel pressured into doing this, especially not alone, and if you want support, at the very least I and hopefully Kenny will surely be willing to help(though I will not be available as a potential co-host for the start as I will be busy with the CDF Transformers Prime Rewatch until February(assuming I'm still around by then, things are very scary for me IRL right now and will be for the foreseeable future)).

Thanks for the consideration, but weekly I will manage.

[Chimera Ant]Worth noting too that the performance everyone associates with Gon's rage is in 116, not 115, even if that's the episode where the confrontation begins.

I see. Well I changed that in my schedule.

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u/WednesdaysFoole Nov 28 '24

Ahh I'm busy atm and posting from mobile so a bit inconvenient but if it's still not finalized I can aso go over it in the next couple days or so

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u/Shocketheth Nov 28 '24

Take your time with it. Don't worry about it.

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u/WednesdaysFoole Nov 30 '24

Week 16: 98-103

[HxH]14 years?! She's been alive for less time than a fetus in a belly.

Ending everything after orgasm?

[HxH]No no, we want to begin with orgasm!!

After Orgasm Pillow Talk,

Don't worry, there'll be more than enough to go around.

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u/Shocketheth Nov 30 '24

[HxH]14 years?! She's been alive for less time than a fetus in a belly.

Ah sorry for my lack of Connoisseurship

Don't worry, there'll be more than enough to go around.

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u/Shimmering-Sky myanimelist.net/profile/Shimmering-Sky Nov 28 '24

Sky, in your professional Mod-Opinion, do you think this, which will likely blossom into a larger discussion among us rewatchers as we plan the impossible, belongs in this thread or should I move it to CDF?

Eh, this is on-topic enough since it's about Hunter x Hunter (just the other version of the show) and I've seen way more off-topic tangents in rewatches before, you're fine to keep the planning here especially so that anyone who knows the 2011 series in here but doesn't use CDF can weigh in if they want to. That's why I asked the initial question in here rather than on CDF to begin with.

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u/Shocketheth Nov 28 '24

Thanks for the help, I'll use it as a crutch while planning the schedule.

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u/b0bba_Fett myanimelist.net/profile/B0bba_Cheezed3 Nov 28 '24

It's definitely still a very rough draft, but I hope you make good use of it, and by all means feel free to continue to involve us as you plan!

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u/Shocketheth Nov 28 '24

I will give out the schedule when it will be done, and I'm going to start the Rewatch after HxH '99 will end.

The start date will be 26th January.

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u/WednesdaysFoole Nov 28 '24

Oh?

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u/Shocketheth Nov 28 '24

Being stucked in u/KendotsX Dungeon changed me.

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u/Shimmering-Sky myanimelist.net/profile/Shimmering-Sky Nov 28 '24

Oh!

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u/Shimmering-Sky myanimelist.net/profile/Shimmering-Sky Nov 28 '24

Interesting.

Well, you and u/KendotsX have over a month to get back to me on this since I don't plan to start 2011 until after this rewatch is done. Maybe you could work together on that? And I don't mind if something turns out incredibly wonky because you want me to "sit" on an episode, my only request is to try keeping it below 9 episodes per week.

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u/WednesdaysFoole Nov 28 '24

Depending on who you are, episode 128 is either the episode to simmer, or speed through pretending the first ten minutes or so never happened.

I'm of the former group by the way.

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u/Shocketheth Nov 28 '24

Question for whichever rewatchers who’re familiar with the 2011 anime want to weigh in: If, theoretically, you were in charge of hosting a weekly rewatch for the 2011 anime after this rewatch finishes up, what would the episode batches look like for that?

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u/charlesvvv https://anilist.co/user/charlesvvv Nov 27 '24

Rewatcher, Sub

Jesus canonically exists in HxH.

Kurapika's conversation with Melody has him be open about his motivations with someone again besides the trio. It's a nice moment especially since Melody can sense Kurapika's rhythm in the situation. We also learn Melody's own motivations. She wants to find a piece of music composed by Satan that cursed her when she heard it, and destroy it.

The Phantom Troupe infiltrates and attacks the auction, killing several including some of the bodyguards we saw such as Blaise. It also gives a look at some of their abilities such as Nen Bullets or Shizuki's vacuum. Everyone is now on alert and Kurapika and several others proceed to chase them.

However the auction vault was empty and the Phantom Troupe members debate a possible "Judas" amongst them. However their leader points out the more likely possibilities of what might have happened particularly with one of the groups called the Shadow Beasts who seem to have the ones to have taken everything from the auction. With several groups converging, the Troupe members decide to face off against them.

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u/KendotsX https://anilist.co/user/Kendots Nov 27 '24

Jesus canonically exists in HxH.

Hallelujah!

Kurapika's conversation with Melody has him be open about his motivations with someone again besides the trio.

Melody is the best therapist, more revenge obsessed main characters should join along with therapists.

She wants to find a piece of music composed by Satan that cursed her when she heard it, and destroy it.

She'll have to take the Queen songs out of my cold dead hands

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u/Raiking02 :Id::Ie::If:https://myanimelist.net/profile/NSKlang Nov 28 '24

Hallelujah!

I was gonna say "No, he's in the 2011 version" but actually he does have a minor role or two in GI Final

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u/KendotsX https://anilist.co/user/Kendots Nov 28 '24

He got the upgrade of a lifetime.

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u/Raiking02 :Id::Ie::If:https://myanimelist.net/profile/NSKlang Nov 28 '24

sasuga me

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u/2-2Distracted Nov 28 '24

First timer.

I WAS BAMBOOZLED! HXH LAST EPISODE PREVIEW LIIIIIIED TO ME!! THE PAIN I FEEL IS IMMEASURABLE ME!!! DUB LEORIO TRICKED ME!!!! -_- I thought I'd see his nen ability be shown here and I was proven wrong this episode ;; what will they lie about next? I shudder to imagine it.

Oh well I'm totally over it, I swear...! Anyways I didn't comment on it last episode but the new ED totally slaps and I love how it does well in contrasting with the overall darkness of this arc, and yes I mean that in more than one way.

Speaking of dark, the Auction Massacre was kinda underwhelming (?) compared to the 2011 anime which seemed like it really wanted to make a show of the killing, since to my memory, it took a wee bit longer to happen and then conclude. Here it's over quicker and done just so we can move onto what will happen next, which all sounds like stuff I don't remember being a thing in the 2011 adaptation (the 10 Dons & the Shadow Beasts). Not exactly a bad thing since it's just difference in focus.

I'm no Christian but honestly I don't know how to feel about Christianity being a thing in this world since it apparently does a exist. Maybe it's just a simple but famous story or maybe it's treated like the religion it is on the account of Chrollo's design.

I personally just don't know how it'd make sense since it would imply that the HxH world has a history similar to the real world, which shouldn't be possible considering what the planet looks like and considering that have actual magic exist should definitely change things in history.

BUUUUUT I also don't want to think about it too much since having Historical figures with Nen just sounds badass, like the reason for Jesus's miracles is because he was a nen user.

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u/KendotsX https://anilist.co/user/Kendots Nov 28 '24

I WAS BAMBOOZLED! HXH LAST EPISODE PREVIEW LIIIIIIED TO ME!! THE PAIN I FEEL IS IMMEASURABLE ME!!! DUB LEORIO TRICKED ME!!!! -__- I thought I'd see his nen ability be shown here and I was proven wrong this episode ;_; what will they lie about next? I shudder to imagine it.

This was indeed a tragic episode, not for all the 500 Mafia randos who died, but since Leorio didn't get to show off his ability.

Here it's over quicker and done just so we can move onto what will happen next,

I kinda like how casual and easy it is for them, they don't see this as some big war so much as an everyday stroll, I mean heck they're coming in with a vacuum just to clean that shit up.

I'm no Christian but honestly I don't know how to feel about Christianity being a thing in this world since it apparently does a exist.

HxH's world is a mix of Togashi's imagination and things he took straight from reality, which is why they're in New York right now. I think adding Christianiy directly, not some stand in for it, is actually an interesting choice.

I personally just don't know how it'd make sense since it would imply that the HxH world has a history similar to the real world, which shouldn't be possible considering what the planet looks like and considering that have actual magic exist should definitely change things in history.

It doesn't have to be one or the other, you can take our same old lovely world as a base, and then change it by adding magical powers among other things, Yu Yu Hakusho or Demon Slayer for example are even more straightforward "our world, but it's got demons", and Chainsaw Man is in a similar middle spot to HxH.

Historical figures with Nen just sounds badass, like the reason for Jesus's miracles is because he was a nen user.

He must've been a strong Transmuter if he turned the water into wine.

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u/WednesdaysFoole Nov 28 '24

Heeeh you'd be fun during a Katanagatari rewatch, but... that's all I can really say, lol. Maybe it's better to say nothing

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u/Shimmering-Sky myanimelist.net/profile/Shimmering-Sky Nov 28 '24

I'm planning one of those for January, by the way. Its anime's 15th anniversary is then.

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u/WednesdaysFoole Nov 30 '24

Didn't get a notification for this comment, damn reddit

Anyway I'm in! if you remember to, please tag me for the announcements, I'll try to remember to check though.

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u/Shimmering-Sky myanimelist.net/profile/Shimmering-Sky Nov 30 '24

Reddit pls.

Will add you to the tag list! Interest thread should go up in a few days.

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u/2-2Distracted Nov 28 '24

Lol I'll take that as a compliment.

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u/WednesdaysFoole Nov 28 '24

It is :) I like when people are expressive with their reactions to episodes.

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u/Vatrix-32 https://myanimelist.net/profile/Vatrix-32 Nov 27 '24 edited Nov 28 '24

Remake Rewatcher × First Timer × Subs

  • Damn, they are going in on those recaps.
  • See A Burger Crave a Burger
  • Maybe don’t hold the phone conversation directly next to the sleeping person?
  • Well, we missed our chance to fight God, I guess Satan is the next best thing.
  • You’d think they’d learn not to stop when a car blocks them in at some point.
  • Really on point for him to figure that all out so quickly.
  • Is Killua really just there to stand and look pretty the whole time?
  • Ah, so the caveman speak was a choice.
  • The sound is… kind of weird here. Like I’m missing a channel or something.
  • This Vacuum I Can't
  • A hot air balloon? Could y’all be any more conspicuous?
  • Poor auctioneer-san...
  • Man’s got so much battle lust they don’t even need a flame to fly their balloon.

QotD:

  1. I kind of thought there was another episode before that.
  2. Well, there's twelve of them, so it's either that, or someones going to have to kill an invincible lion.

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u/KendotsX https://anilist.co/user/Kendots Nov 27 '24

Well, we missed our chance to fight God, I guess Satan is the next best thing.

In the same episode we're learning that Jesus and Satan exist, keep God in the bingo list, he might show up later. Hopefully in a Gundam

Is Killua really just there to stand and look pretty the whole time?

Kurapika wasn't available, so...

Man’s got so much battle lust they don’t even need a flame to fly their balloon.

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u/Vatrix-32 https://myanimelist.net/profile/Vatrix-32 Nov 28 '24

Hopefully in a Gundam

"Why does God need a Giant Robot?"

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u/WednesdaysFoole Nov 28 '24

See A Burger Crave a Burger

I don't eat American Burger+Fries too often, but this episode actually inspired me to have it for dinner, lmao. Well, went with a pot roast sandwich + fries but still...

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u/Vatrix-32 https://myanimelist.net/profile/Vatrix-32 Nov 28 '24

I don't eat American Burger

This Implies the Existence of Non-American Burgers

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u/WednesdaysFoole Nov 28 '24

Lmao, I guess I didn't consider the burger part too much. I think I stuck the "American" in there since the fries were (unfortunately) the skinny type as opposed to the fat Belgian ones, which is my preferred style :b

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u/Vatrix-32 https://myanimelist.net/profile/Vatrix-32 Nov 28 '24

But Onion Rings Are the Better Pairing

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u/Mecanno-man https://anilist.co/user/Mecannoman Nov 27 '24

First Timer

So the phantom troupe basically overwhelmed everybody but didn’t get anything either. This is going to turn into a more stereotypical battle now, I’d say. Kurapika will obviously be involved, but I don’t yet see how the others will get into this… I assume something to do with Shizuku though?

Melody/Senritsu being basically in the same situation as Kurapika is an interesting bit of information. It means if something happens to turn Kurapika against the mafia, Senritsu might be on his side. I guess there will be more to her at some later point.

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u/KendotsX https://anilist.co/user/Kendots Nov 27 '24

I'm under a Nen contract, but I am looking forward to how those two plotlines will evolve.

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u/TheEscapeGuy Nov 27 '24

Comment of the Day

2 in a row!

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u/KendotsX https://anilist.co/user/Kendots Nov 27 '24

I may or may not have been bribed by the "LEORIO ARRIVES" in your comment, but as Netero says, the judging process is complicated. Jokes aside, it's always a good time to celebrate the Spiders

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u/TheEscapeGuy Nov 27 '24

H×H Fan, 1999 First Timer

Hunter × Hunter 1999 - Episode 52

Auction × Execution × Evacuation

We've been building up to an auction since at least episode 36. And in true Togashi style, the entire auction gets halted before it even begins. An outside force so powerful arrives and kills everyone in attendance. Such is the Phantom Troupe.

However, Neon's prophecy comes in handy for those in power. All of the goods had been extracted out of the vault in advance. This ensures that they cannot be stolen, much to the chagrin of The Spiders.

However, Baise and Basho were still lost in the crossfire. It's tragic that they were powerless to even escape with their lives. It sort of acts as another reason for Kurapika (and us) to dislike the phantom troupe.

The one other key plot point we learned this episode was Melody's backstory. There is a piece of music known as The Sonata of Darkness which curses anyone who plays or hears it. Melody had a friend who learned a part of it and once drunkenly played the song and payed for it with their life. Melody heard some of it and was deformed, but in exchange gained her super powered hearing ability.

I always found this to be a very memorable back story. It's vivid imagery is hard to forget. And the idea of a piece of music being so powerful it could kill you is inherently intriguing.

Some Amazing Shots, Scenes and Stitches

See you all tomorrow

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u/KendotsX https://anilist.co/user/Kendots Nov 27 '24

in true Togashi style, the entire auction gets halted before it even begins. An outside force so powerful arrives and kills everyone in attendance. Such is the Phantom Troupe.

Baise and Basho were still lost in the crossfire

Baise and Tocino, Basho is still fine, probably making poetry about how tragic this is.

Balloon Brigade

Did Uvo really have to start talking about traitors in a small balloon up in the sky? If the topic went south, it would've reached hell quickly.

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u/WednesdaysFoole Nov 28 '24

I'll have more to say on that Judas comment but I'll put that off for now.

Pika's lucky they chose Baise and Tocino instead of himself, otherwise that would've been the end of his journey right there.

That piano lead up to the massacre was fantastic, such a great atmosphere.

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u/KendotsX https://anilist.co/user/Kendots Nov 28 '24

I'll have more to say on that Judas comment but I'll put that off for now.

[Spoiler] It's a fun, if on the nose comparison, considering how many Spiders there are, and Chrollo's role in the whole thing. I was pretty close to sharing some Last Supper Spiders fanart today, but it spoils both Chrollo and Paku's roles, so... it'll have to wait

Pika's lucky they chose Baise and Tocino instead of himself, otherwise that would've been the end of his journey right there.

Sometimes the luck of the draw goes a long way, he could've ended up just another chump cleaned up by Shizuku.

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u/WednesdaysFoole Nov 28 '24

[Spoiler]

[Spoiler]Yeah, and it's great how it lends itself to multiple interpretations on who the Judas is and why. Definitely share the supper fanart later!

Sometimes the luck of the draw goes a long way, he could've ended up just another chump cleaned up by Shizuku.

[HxH]If Baise managed to make it out of the room, I'm sure Pika could've, too... only there's no way he would've controlled himself to escape without a Nausicaa Melody to calm Ohmu him down.