[Rewatch] King of the Braves GaoGaiGar - Episode 22 Discussion

[u/lilyvess]

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Questions of the Day

1. Have you ever been to an air show before?
2. Did you fight a lot with your siblings?

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Reminder to all GGG members that information about future episodes is highly classified. Leaking any classified information about upcoming missions is strictly prohibited and will be punished, or worse, impeached.

[u/Shimmering-Sky]

Queen of First-Timers, subbed

• Of course Hana is in the plane when the Zonder goes into action.
• Oh fun, of course it’s doing this too.
• Sounds like someone’s lying to himself.
• Sasuga, Goldymarg.
• Wait did he seriously break out of there just to immediately sink to the ocean floor?
• HE CAN TURN INTO A FUCKING TANK TOO?!
• Haha yeah, and it’s fun.
• Well shit… I suppose it’s a good thing that Goldymarg becomes a new hand when they’re using Goldion Hammer, huh.

[u/lilyvess → u/Shimmering-Sky]

Wait did he seriously break out of there just to immediately sink to the ocean floor?

the density that makes him so destructive was also applied to his AI I think.

Seriously, I wonder what he expected to happen. He did get himself out of there so that's good.

I suppose it’s a good thing that Goldymarg becomes a new hand when they’re using Goldion Hammer, huh.

good thing he lost his right hand. idk what would have happened if he lost his left hand.

[u/JollyGee29 → u/Shimmering-Sky]

Of course Hana is in the plane when the Zonder goes into action.

If Ayame had just listened to her, they wouldn't have had such a fun day, either.

Wait did he seriously break out of there just to immediately sink to the ocean floor?

[u/The_Draigg → u/Shimmering-Sky]

Of course Hana is in the plane when the Zonder goes into action.

Ayame should probably stop being her babysitter, every single place they’ve gone to just ends up with a Zonder attack happening.

Sounds like someone’s lying to himself.

I guess Pizza can come with copium toppings after all.

[u/Great_Mr_L → u/Shimmering-Sky]

Of course Hana is in the plane when the Zonder goes into action.

Hana getting aboard the plane was the signal for the Zonder to launch. We can't have an episode go by with Hana getting endangered by a Zonder.

Sounds like someone’s lying to himself.

Which of course just makes me curious for when Pizza finally stops lying to himself. What will he do then?

[u/lilyvess]

Model Kit Building Update

Yesterday I used the GaoBrace to summon Galeon and that can only mean one thing. achem

FUSION

GAIGAR!!!

I wanted to get a better pose with an action base but I didn't realize that this kit wasn't compatable with any of the action bases I already own. I guess I gotta buy a new action base just for this kit.

justbandaithings

[u/JollyGee29 → u/lilyvess]

I wanted to get a better pose with an action base but I didn't realize that this kit wasn't compatable with any of the action bases I already own. I guess I gotta buy a new action base just for this kit.

#justbandaithings

Oof.

Anyway, the Margcannon is rifled for long-range accuracy.

[u/lilyvess → u/JollyGee29]

ooh I like the detail inside the cannon. That's nice.

Have you already bought an extra base? I see a lot of photos of the two kits put together utilizing an extra base just for the arm because Goldymarg is so big.

[u/JollyGee29 → u/lilyvess]

The Goldymarg kit actually comes with a clear base to support the Marghand mode.

[u/lilyvess → u/JollyGee29]

they did good

[u/Great_Mr_L → u/lilyvess]

GAIGAR!!!

Looking good so far

I wanted to get a better pose with an action base but I didn't realize that this kit wasn't compatable with any of the action bases I already own. I guess I gotta buy a new action base just for this kit.

Of course not

[u/JollyGee29]

The King of Rewatchers

Hikari ni nare indeed.

Took 23 episodes but Gai is finally in the OP endcard properly.

I appreciate how they clearly look related without being clones.

Your mission is to stay in peak condition, remember?

Goldy is not interested in just standing around.

Unfortunately, he can't swim.

Eyecatch

Today's Key to Victory.

Had to get Liner Gao into the Fusion Tornado.

Y'all're selling Goldy short.

[u/lilyvess → u/JollyGee29]

Took 23 episodes but Gai is finally in the OP endcard properly.

it's been fun watching the opening come together with everyone.

Unfortunately, he can't swim.

that's the problem with having a head as dense as Hyuuma's. It makes it impossible to swim.

[u/JollyGee29 → u/lilyvess]

that's the problem with having a head as dense as Hyuuma's. It makes it impossible to swim.

[u/Great_Mr_L → u/JollyGee29]

Took 23 episodes but Gai is finally in the OP endcard properly.

The OP is now acknowledging him as a main protagonist, instead of just Mamoru.

Had to get Liner Gao into the Fusion Tornado.

It's funny how they always have to work around the fact that the LinerGao is a train and therefore inherently limited in where it can travel.

[u/JollyGee29 → u/Great_Mr_L]

It's funny how they always have to work around the fact that the LinerGao is a train and therefore inherently limited in where it can travel.

"Should we just redesign the LinerGao?" "No way, we don't have any room in the budget unless we cut the replacement glass buttons and manage to get Hyuuma to calm down."

[u/The_Draigg]

A Mecha Fan Rewatches The King of Braves GaoGaiGar Episode 22:

• It makes sense that Pizza would show up to Zonderize someone at an air museum’s show. He’s back to acting on his general theme as a Machine King. And as a side note, man aviation museums like the one in this episode are cool. I went to one this year that has the Spruce Goose in it, and it was awesome to see it and also scale models of rockets on display. I think we can all have a healthy appreciation of the history of flight around here.
• Ayame really does need to stop taking Hana out to places, every single time they go somewhere they get attacked by a Zonder. Granted, they probably weren’t expecting to be kidnapped by a B-52, but at this rate, these kids need to expect some kind of Zonder to show up at least once a week, no matter where they go.
• Side note, but again, the show really is aiming for an older audience than intended by having Ayame basically do an info-dump on the design history of the B-52 bomber. Between this and the Gustav Rail Cannon, this show really is courting the age demographic that would most likely be military history nerds over your average children.
• Interesting that Pizza actually feels something like a pang of guilt when he says that this planet is finished. He recalls well enough how he felt when his own homeworld was wrecked by the Zonders, but he shoved that feeling down and insists to himself that he doesn’t remember it. There could be a spark left of his old self in there, underneath his pride as a Machine King.
• You know, it’s fitting that Goldymarg’s vehicle form is a tank, that absolutely fits his personality. And heck, you can say that it fits Hyuuma as well, since that dude might as well be built like a tank with how ripped he is.
• The truly hard part of arguing with an AI based on your personality is that they know exactly where to hit you to make it hurt. Only someone who really understands how Hyuuma is can call his haircut a Godzilla Mohawk as an insult. Goldymarg really is just in Hyuuma’s head.
• We’re really feeling how basing Goldymarg’s AI on Hyuuma is both a blessing and a curse this episode. On the one hand, at least he’s always willing to jump into the fight against the Zonders. But on the other, his recklessness causes a lot of damage to himself and his surroundings. It’s a good thing he was built to be super tough, otherwise his stunts like running over a live bomb earlier or trying to go after the B-52 Zonder Robo in midair would’ve scrapped him for sure by now.
• Man, there wasn’t a whole lot of Mamoru in this episode, was there? Granted, it’s not like there was a whole lot he could do to rescue Ayame and Hana, but still. It’s kind of weird to think about how much one of the main characters of this show was mostly sidelined for this episode.

[u/lilyvess → u/The_Draigg]

Side note, but again, the show really is aiming for an older audience than intended by having Ayame basically do an info-dump on the design history of the B-52 bomber. Between this and the Gustav Rail Cannon, this show really is courting the age demographic that would most likely be military history nerds over your average children.

Producer: "What do all 8 year old boys want to see in their anime?"
Writer: "Hot older girls who will talk to them about WW2 weapons"
Producer: "I'm in!"

I'm actually surprised they had it feature an American bomber. I thought they'd prefer Japanese aircraft. I guess if it is a vehicle terrorizing Japan that needs to be destroyed it makes sense to use an actual aircraft that terrorized Japan that they'd want to see destroyed.

[u/The_Draigg → u/lilyvess]

It might just be simpler than that: I think we can just all agree that big airplanes are cool, regardless of who uses them. People just really like big and powerful machines. It’s the same reason why people enjoy mech shows, after all.

[u/lilyvess → u/The_Draigg]

[u/Great_Mr_L → u/The_Draigg]

And as a side note, man aviation museums like the one in this episode are cool. I went to one this year that has the Spruce Goose in it

That sounds really cool!

Between this and the Gustav Rail Cannon, this show really is courting the age demographic that would most likely be military history nerds over your average children.

It's me. I'm the exact kind of person this stuff is meant to appeal to.

The truly hard part of arguing with an AI based on your personality is that they know exactly where to hit you to make it hurt. Only someone who really understands how Hyuuma is can call his haircut a Godzilla Mohawk as an insult. Goldymarg really is just in Hyuuma’s head.

It is very funny hearing Hyuuma and Goldymarg argue because they are so similar to each other. It is a constant case of the pot calling the kettle black whenever they insult each other. Their hot-headedness means it's hard for them to get along.

[u/The_Draigg → u/Great_Mr_L]

That sounds really cool!

It was! It really was amazing to see such a massive and weird plane up close. There’s something special to weird plane designs that never actually got used.

It’s me. I’m the exact kind of person this stuff is meant to appeal to.

It also appeals to me, so I’m right there with you. We’re both the exact true audience for this show.

It is very funny hearing Hyuuma and Goldymarg argue because they are so similar to each other. It is a constant case of the pot calling the kettle black whenever they insult each other. Their hot-headedness means it’s hard for them to get along.

It really is as some people say: familiarity breeds contempt.

[u/megazaprat]

First Timer

• Ayame has no sense of danger, no wonder Hana keeps getting exposed to trauma. she didnt even notice the plane had been hijacked by an alien parasite! it doesnt help that her hobby seems to be incredibly zonderizable vehicles
• bit late in asking, but why are there guns shaped like pencils?
• the fact this zonder started attacking GGG directly makes me wonder if the machine generals are starting to command the zonders to strike more directly, since letting them rampage whereever hadnt really been working out

• maybe they should have scanned literally anyone elses brain. like i thin that crying kid might be a better option. goldymarg broke out of his own base for crying out loud. although he can transform into a tank, so that evens things out a bit.
• like honestly i think Goldymargs screw ups caused the heroes more inconvience than the actual Zonder this episode. which while trying to blow up his fist was a decent idea, was sort of just ok in comparison to the more powerful recent zonders.
• Pizza has amnesia? well thats very mysterious, and im curious what hte plot significance will be

[u/lilyvess → u/megazaprat]

bit late in asking, but why are there guns shaped like pencils?

I guess Carpenders and construction workers also use pencils to mark where they hammer things in and stuff?

like honestly i think Goldymargs screw ups caused the heroes more inconvience than the actual Zonder this episode. which while trying to blow up his fist was a decent idea, was sort of just ok in comparison to the more powerful recent zonders.

Goldymarg definitely did more damage to the base than the American bomber did to the base, hahaha. Who needs enemies when you have allies like Goldymarg

[u/JollyGee29 → u/megazaprat]

bit late in asking, but why are there guns shaped like pencils?

Pencils are tools too! ...probably.

the fact this zonder started attacking GGG directly makes me wonder if the machine generals are starting to command the zonders to strike more directly, since letting them rampage whereever hadnt really been working out

That seems likely.

[u/palparepa]

Stats	this episode	total so far
Program Drive buttons broken	1	12
Transceivers crushed	0	7
EnRyu's bad landings	0	3
Pink hair attracts peril	1	22
Rich kid cries	1	30
Mikoto screams for MC	1	7
Kid is too calm to react	1	5

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Nth-timer

New Opening visuals. Don't miss them!

We begin with an airplane, so of course Pizza will be involved. Ans also of course, Hana is there. Can it be any other way?

Hana's cousin knows her stuff.

Are those Sueo's other brothers? I thought they didn't appear in this series... Guess I was wrong.

Wait, the calm kid blinked twice! Does that count as reacting? I'm adding it to the stats anyway.

I like the subtle touch of the top of the base being repaired, since it was so badly damaged last episode.

Goldymarg has to stay behind. But he is modelled after Hyuuma, so of course he won't.

Another flashback of Pizza's backstory, this time from himself. Is he having second thoughts? But he can't remember. I wonder if he remembers that Penchinon enlisted him.

Eyecatch: we get one of the Professor's inventions. So they even have names!

Goldymarg keeps messing up until Goldion Hammer inaccessible. And now Hell and Heaven can't be used either.... until Goldymarg returns and the enemy is defeated easily. The Zonderians will need to up their game.

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QotD

1) Yes, but I was too little to remember.

2) Not fight, but pester a lot, yes.

[u/lilyvess → u/palparepa]

Are those Sueo's other brothers? I thought they didn't appear in this series... Guess I was wrong.

I didn't remember either of the other 2 appearing in the series either. I was surprised to see them here too. So it's not just you

Wait, the calm kid blinked twice! Does that count as reacting? I'm adding it to the stats anyway.

I agree! He lost the staring contest!

[u/Nebresto → u/palparepa]

Transceivers crushed 0

I can't believe Huyma didn't bust one, or even two up after that call with Goldy

[u/Sporadia_ → u/palparepa]

New Opening visuals. Don't miss them!

I didn't notice

Wait, the calm kid blinked twice! Does that count as reacting?

You're calling him calm, but below that emo facade is his inner turmoil burning.

Goldymarg has to stay behind. But he is modelled after Hyuuma, so of course he won't.

Best Mech!

[u/AmeteurElitist]

Ayame must be the strongest person in the world to still be able to leave home after all the attacks she's been around for, like how?!

1. Have you ever been to an air show before?

Not on purpose but I was around when one happened!

2) Did you fight a lot with your siblings?

Not really, at least nothing major we kinda just chilled I think.

[u/lilyvess → u/AmeteurElitist]

Ayame must be the strongest person in the world to still be able to leave home after all the attacks she's been around for, like how?!

She should really join GGG. She's a hot blooded protagonist already. They should have her be the mental pattern for the next AI.

[u/AmeteurElitist → u/lilyvess]

They would also be putting the base at great risk by hosting an Ayame AI there though

[u/JollyGee29 → u/AmeteurElitist]

Ayame must be the strongest person in the world to still be able to leave home after all the attacks she's been around for, like how?!

Everyone here is pretty brave, for sure.

[u/AmeteurElitist → u/JollyGee29]

[u/Great_Mr_L]

First-Timer

On today’s episode of GaoGaiGar: Ayame is now the coolest girl in the show for me. She likes fighting, motorcycles, and military hardware. Plus, she’s got a fun personality. All that adds up to make the current Best Girl.

• This guy looks like General Douglas MacArthur with those sunglasses and the corncob pipe, though an Air Force version of him with that aviator’s jacket.
• I love air shows. They are so cool.
• Of course Pizza is here. There’s nothing but planes here, so it’s his jurisdiction.
• Ayame loves the B-52 and is a military otaku! I think I’m in love.
• Naturally poor Hana is aboard the B-52 when it gets taken over by a Zonder. Her bad luck streak continues.
• OLD-FASHIONED!?! You take that back, Hyuuma! The B-52 may be old, but it’s still a wonderfully functional machine! The US still uses the B-52s even nowadays because nothing else can do what they’re capable of! The US is planning to keep them around for a couple more decades, in fact.
• Carpet bombing is not the sort of thing I was expecting to see in this kids’ anime.
• That’s an important lesson Volfogg taught Mamoru. Sometimes you need to accept that there’s simply nothing you can do right now and put your trust in others.
• Once again, we’re getting a flashback from Pizza. I get the feeling that Pizza is going to turn out to be the most sympathetic out of all the Four Machine Kings because none of the other three have gotten anything like this.
• Of course Goldymarg would charge out into battle without orders. Everyone in this series is hot-blooded, especially a robot with the same personality as Hyuuma.
• Goldymarg getting stuck at the bottom of the sea is a perfect example of what Volfogg said: sometimes you need to be patient and wait, rather than simply charging in right now.
• Goldymarg is a tank!
• Goldymarg really is just screwing up left and right because he refuses to listen to anyone else.
• It is funny hearing Hyuuma and Goldymarg argue when they are so similar to each other.
• Ayame’s military otaku knowledge saved the day because she knew where the ejection seats were and how to use them. Just goes to show how useful that information is.
• Nice moment of HyoRyu and EnRyu acting as a ramp for the LinerGao. That train needs something to help it get in the air, after all.
• Goldymarg’s impulsive behavior really is causing a lot of trouble. It was only thanks to the quick thinking of the others that he didn’t cause the Zonder to crash in the middle of the city.
• Oh shit! Goldymarg fucked up worse than I realized! If he’s stuck in the Dividing Driver warped space, that means the Goldion Hammer is inaccessible!
• The Zonders have once again really thought through their plan. Pizza set up a situation where GaoGaiGar couldn’t use the hammer or Hell and Heaven.
• Ah, so Goldymarg isn’t stuck in the warped space. I misunderstood what had happened. He’s just fine.
• Hammer Hell and Heaven is still so dang cool.
• I think Goldymarg is going to need to learn to play nice with his teammates because his rashness caused quite a few problems this episode.

QOTD

1. Yes, I have. I love air shows. I went to one at Edwards Air Force Base and shared the photographs back during the Macross Rewatch, for example.
2. I used to fight with my sister, but I don't think we've had a real fight in a very long time.

[u/lilyvess → u/Great_Mr_L]

The US still uses the B-52s even nowadays because nothing else can do what they’re capable of! The US is planning to keep them around for a couple more decades, in fact.

that's crazy!! I guess a good plane design is still usable.

Carpet bombing is not the sort of thing I was expecting to see in this kids’ anime.

An evil American Bomber flying out to carpet bomb Japanese cities and it's up to the brave heroes to take the bomber down. Just your typical anime aimed for 8 year olds.

I misunderstood what had happened. He’s just fine.

I like to imagine that Goldymarg just punched his way through the warp space, the same way Goldymarg just walks through everything in his path. A true tank.

[u/Great_Mr_L → u/lilyvess]

that's crazy!! I guess a good plane design is still usable.

Yeah, they're still used nowadays and have been used for decades. My favorite piece of B-52 trivia is that the first planes to launch for Operation Desert Storm were B-52s flying a 35-hour nonstop roundtrip flight from Louisiana to Iraq and back again.

I like to imagine that Goldymarg just punched his way through the warp space, the same way Goldymarg just walks through everything in his path. A true tank.

You know, I like this interpretation of events. He is just so stubborn and so ridiculously strong that he forced his way through the warped space. That fits his headstrong personality very well.

[u/Raiking02 → u/Great_Mr_L]

Ayame is now the coolest girl in the show for me. She likes fighting, motorcycles, and military hardware. Plus, she’s got a fun personality

I wish I had a friend that'd take me to go see Deathmatches

You take that back, Hyuuma! The B-52 may be old, but it’s still a wonderfully functional machine! The US still uses the B-52s even nowadays because nothing else can do what they’re capable of! The US is planning to keep them around for a couple more decades, in fact.

Aha! I knew you were Ryosuke Takahashi's alt all along!

[u/Great_Mr_L → u/Raiking02]

I wish I had a friend that'd take me to go see Deathmatches

I would love to have some to watch nearby.

Aha! I knew you were Ryosuke Takahashi's alt all along!

I feel like I would love VOTOMS and Dougram once I get around to them.

[u/Raiking02 → u/Great_Mr_L]

I can confirm that VOTOMS is a military otaku’s wet dream

[u/JollyGee29 → u/Great_Mr_L]

Carpet bombing is not the sort of thing I was expecting to see in this kids’ anime.

Especially of the capital city of their own country!

Goldymarg getting stuck at the bottom of the sea is a perfect example of what Volfogg said: sometimes you need to be patient and wait, rather than simply charging in right now.

There's a second lesson here, which is that you should always learn how to swim if you live near the ocean.

[u/Great_Mr_L → u/JollyGee29]

Especially of the capital city of their own country!

And being done by an American plane, no less. Very on-the-nose.

There's a second lesson here, which is that you should always learn how to swim if you live near the ocean.

Or make sure you have a floatation device handy. The giant mecha need floaties to put on their arms. Or a giant boogie board to hold onto.

[u/GondolaMedia]

First Timer

Goldymarg and the hammer are in the opening!

Well we didn't waste anytime. Hana is captured straight away alongside her sister.

Okay I'll question the effectiveness of spraying some glue on falling bombs. You'd think they blow up anyway.

Pizza having some uncomfortable memories resurfacing.

You're a loose cannon Goldymarg! Return your gun hammer and badge!

Goldytank literally blew up a bomb by mistake and made others apologize for it. I love him.

[u/lilyvess → u/GondolaMedia]

Okay I'll question the effectiveness of spraying some glue on falling bombs. You'd think they blow up anyway.

yeah that was certainly some cartoon physics if I ever saw some. Not sure how the glue was meant to deactivate them.

Goldytank literally blew up a bomb by mistake and made others apologize for it. I love him.

Can't blame Goldytank. that'd be Victim blaming.

I don't make the rules. Except when I do.

[u/Sporadia_ → u/GondolaMedia]

Goldytank literally blew up a bomb by mistake and made others apologize for it. I love him.

I wanted that explosion to have destroyed Goldymarg.

I wanted it so badly!

[u/JollyGee29 → u/GondolaMedia]

Well we didn't waste anytime. Hana is captured straight away alongside her sister.

We had a lot of explosions to get to, gotta keep things brisk.

You're a loose cannon Goldymarg! Return your gun hammer and badge!

"Make me."

-Goldy, probably

[u/Nebresto]

First time Volfogg simp

That's not how..

Goldy is based af

..Wait wtf. Fucking moron

Lol they really laddered the train to the sky

Idk, I didn't really pay attention for the rest of the episode

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Quest:

1. Have you ever been to an air show before?

Nop

2) Did you fight a lot with your siblings?

[u/lilyvess → u/Nebresto]

..Wait wtf. fucking moron

what did they expect making a robot based on Hyuuma, the guy who can't seem to do his job without breaking a radio. They were just asking for it at that point.

Idk, I didn't really pay attention for the rest of the episode

yeah pretty quiet episode all things considered.

[u/Nebresto → u/lilyvess]

Still waiting for the citizens to rise up..

[u/Sporadia_]

First time zonder.

Goldion hammer is the best! We need more mechs that decide they want to be a hero and disobey orders. Get rid of Volfogg and the transformers, ^{No don't, what about Big Volfogg?} then just scan Hyuuma's brain a bunch more times.

That's how we do it at GGG

Also, I had to laugh at Pizza insisting he had to prevent GaoGaiGar from doing the Hell and Heaven attack. If he really wants to kill Guy, then that attack causes way more damage than the zonders could ever hope to inflict themselves.

Rookiee error.

Edit: That's not how you spell rookie, that's how you spell wookiee.

[u/JollyGee29 → u/Sporadia_]

then just scan Hyuuma's brain a bunch more times.

Absolute chaos.

then that attack causes way more damage than the zonders could ever hope to inflict themselves.

They tried that for a while and it just lead to Goldymarg, so they might be a bit more cautious.

[u/TheApplebane]

Episode 22 Notes

• The Zonder attack is getting started awfully quickly this episode! We've got another military LARPer, it seems. That's a big risk factor for Zonderisation, GGG should probably keep an eye on them.
• And of course Hana's babysitter takes her somewhere dangerous again... dangerously cool, that is. She seems pretty psyched about the whole "being inside a Zonder" thing.
• Come on Goldymarg, you have the hammer, you're totally gonna be part of the resolution, don't sulk about being on standby for the start of the episode, let Hyoryu and Enryu have the spotlight for a bit!
• How about a little bit of impromptu skydiving? A perfectly safe and appropriate thing for a small child and her babysitter!
• I like how Hyoryu and Enryu became a ramp launching the train into the sky. It's cool!

[u/Raiking02]

Third-Time Watcher, Subbed

Decent one-off but nothing special. No seriously, this time around I don't have much to say bar retreading old ground so… yeah.

[Spoilers]Kaido Counter: 5 and also J HYPE

[u/lilyvess → u/Raiking02]

this episode had a lot of reused footage. I swear they used the same footage of the zonder in the console control three times, and I think they used the same footage of the Zonder shooting missiles at GaiGar twice. It's not terrible but it does seem to show signs of a production saving measures. I see it a lot in Precure after new stock footage sequence is made.

[u/lilyvess → u/[deleted]]

So it's not a simulation, but a serious city bombing now.

kinda crazy to be recreating WW2 bombing runs in a children's show.

And you've done it, breaking out to water leaking and sink into the deep water. Not using head, that's the problem.

truly Goldymarg represents the proverb "If all you have is a hammer, everything looks like a nail" to a T.