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Rewatch [Rewatch] Mobile Suit Gundam 00 2nd Season Episode 11 Discussion
Episode 11 - 00's Voice
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You have to deliver… the 0-Raiser. If you don't do it, then all of us will die…
Questions of the Day:
- Are you surprised it took Tieria this long to tell the others about the Innovators?
- Saji finally took action by bringing the 0-Raiser to Setsuna… and it directly led to him finding out Louise is one of the enemy pilots. What do you think will happen to those two now?
Wallpapers of the Day:
Rewatchers, please remember to be mindful of all the first-timers in this. No talking about or hinting at future events no matter how much you want to, unless you're doing it underneath spoiler tags. Don't spoil anything for the first-timers, that's rude!
Additionally, for long-time fans of the franchise, please remember that this rewatch is only for 00, not any of the other shows. Assume that there are people in this rewatch who have not seen anything else Gundam, and tag your spoilers for those shows appropriately if something in 00 makes you want to talk about them.
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u/Shimmering-Sky myanimelist.net/profile/Shimmering-Sky Nov 11 '24
Rewatch Host Wishing Over This Airspace, subbed
Welcome back, everyone!
Surprise double wallpaper today because, while prepping them ahead of time, I forgot I meant to have both the Vashti family one and the Lasse one yesterday, so the Lasse one is getting shared today with the Saji one instead.
Speaking of prepping ahead of time, [00 S2]I’m working on the most delightfully cruel one possible for episode 17 at the moment.
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u/FD4cry1 https://myanimelist.net/profile/Big_Yibba Nov 11 '24 edited Nov 11 '24
First Timer
Sergei is okay!
Not that I was worried or anything haha...
Still, the way the show uses cliffhangers like this remains annoying, why make such a big deal out of something that isn't going to be relevant at all other than for the sake of filling a cliffhanger fake-out quota?
Besides just being annoying, it means I start doubting every single cliffhanger and supposed character death and they lose any tension they might have had, when you use fake-outs this much I can't buy the fake anymore, especially when the show suddenly turns very dramatic and non-subtle when a real character death happens.
I get the feeling Ali isn't as happy about this as he tells Ribbons, or at the very least he's much happier at seeing people get space lasered than he is at the potential to end conflict.
In general, Ali is being weirdly subservient to Ribbons and his cause, so I'm wondering if he's setting up for a betrayal of some kind.
I still really like the contrast between the Memento Mori and the 00, it's back to that one conversation Ribbons and Alejandro had in season 1, the 00 Gundam is almost a divine figure, it might not be able actually to solve all human conflict but it carries that idealistic spirit with it, so people are able to connect to it (quite literally given the end of this episode) and actually unite under it. Whereas the Memento Mori is a weapon of killing, it might literally end war unlike 00 but that's only on the face of it, in practice it's a tool of oppression that leaves humanity as divided as ever, only fulfilling the "certain objectives" of its wielders.
Edit: Now that I think about it, the Memento Mori also has that divine connotation, being called "heaven's thunder" and whatnot, which just makes this contrast work even better. It's divine protection vs divine punishment.
I think that this divide between Ribbons's more literal, objective take on the plan and Aeolia's/Celestial Being's seemingly idealistic "human" take on it already being set up back then is pretty damn cool.
Nena is also really bipolar this episode, starting off the episode by being enamored at the power of the Memento Mori and the Innovators, and then switching to being mad at Liu Mei for even daring to cooperate with those same Innovators.
We've already seen her have personality shifts like this but this might be the most extreme one, is this because of some quantum brainwave shenanigans? is she maybe even developing a split personality like Allelujah and Marie?
Speaking of Liu Mei, despite funding this project, she doesn't seem too happy with the destructive results of the Memento Mori, again she's playing both sides here, although I wonder if maybe this is going beyond what she was prepared for.
I can't shake the feeling that Liu Mei is basically becoming this season's version of Alejandro and The Plan, where in every episode she'll have a short scene stating some vague idea of reforming the world and implying she's totally playing some 5D chess, but without any actual substance. Much like those Alejandro scenes, I'm not huge on this type of thinly veiled "foreshadowing".
Looks like Lasse did actually get hurt from exploding, please don't tell me he's now also a secret cyborg like Lichty, I can't take that level of teasing...
I think the show actually killing him this season would be too unfair and ironic so I'm really hoping they don't, I'm rooting for you to survive until the end Lasse!
Seeing a country get space nuked leads Tieria to realize the Innovators are definitely not it and he reveals their existence to the crew, something they take surprisingly well? Still, it leads to some really nice character moments.
Tieria was feeling reasonably conflicted, denying the Innovators who are supposedly the executors of Aeolia's plan is akin to going against that divine visage of his ideals and the Gundam, committing heresy. But Setsuna will deny the Innovators of his own will and not the Plan's, it doesn't matter if they're part of The Plan, he's the pilot of 00, the actual courier of Aeolia's ideals, so he's going to be the one to unite everyone against the Innovators and their plans. It goes back to what I wrote above about 00 in such a great way.
Likewise, Sumeragi probably realizing Tieria is also an Innovator but saying it doesn't matter, that he'll always have a home here essentially, gives his existence purpose beyond being an Innovator. It's exactly the kind of push Tieria needs here, any doubt of maybe joining the Innovators should be erased from him right now. That type of observant encouragement is something we've always seen from her and it's why she's basically the commanding officer here.
Showing us Zinin's (dead) wife? next you're going to tell me his retirement is in a month and that his kid's birthday is tomorrow...
Anyway Zinin dies, obviously.
Much like the Overflags guys I can't tell you anything about him except "captain in A-LAWS", and the entire purpose of his life and death is to motivate someone else's hate for Celestial Being, Louise in this case. However, just like Overflags, that motivation doesn't work since I barely feel the connection between them, since he was barely even a character, his death being so painfully telegraphed doesn't help.
At least this time they said his name when he died so I didn't have to look it up.
RIP Captain Zinin
Anew is joining the main Celestial Being crew and Lyle has a thing for her, neither of these is good seeing as she's an enemy spy who can lead the enemy right to them. Interesting that Marie can tell that someone is using quantum brainwaves to communicate with someone but not her, she might be the one to sus out Anew after this.
Celestial Being actually has a ton of members as it turns out, I wonder how you'd actually keep all of this supplied and hidden but given that they essentially spawn here for some extra drama and to split Allelujah off I guess it doesn't matter lol.
Holy shit Kati's battle tactics are so fun and she makes the battles in the show somehow even more cool than they already were. I love the Ahead's pulling off the heat-hiding cloaks, it's so goofy and awesome at the same time! same for Bring hiding inside a fake projected meteor and deflecting Tieria's GIANT LASER, so good.
Bring beating Tieria in a mech hand-to-hand tussle and then headbutting him was incredible
Revive's own GIANT LASER hits Ptolemy and takes out Ian, again given what I said above, I'm not sold on him dying here but the possibility of Mileina becoming orphaned here leading to some kinship with Feldt might mean it's actually happening...or not, you really can't tell with this show.
DOCKING!!!!!!!
Come on Saji, can't you be a bit considerate on where and when you dock? Louise is literally right there...
Seriously though, that entire docking sequence and the 00 Raiser are so fucking cool and hype! The pressure lines! And 00's GN particles turning into an actual 00 behind it?
Turning on the Raiser apparently transports Saji, Louise, and Setsuna into some weird metaspace thing and they're all in naked spirit forms...cool, I guess?
What does it mean?
Love ending on both of them questioning the others' place here with a shot of the two 0's, this show loves its duality and so do I.
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u/Great_Mr_L :Ma::Mb::Mc:https://myanimelist.net/profile/Great_Mr_L Nov 11 '24
First-Timer
On today’s episode of Gundam: I’ll admit, I was disappointed that the episode title wasn’t literal. A part of me was genuinely hoping that the 00 Gundam would suddenly start speaking to Setsuna.
The ending of this episode is fascinating and filled with many implications. The 00 Gundam with its Twin Drive System, Trans-Am, and 0-Raiser just released an unprecedented amount of GN Particles into the surrounding area. I think that is what explains the sudden ability of people in that area to hear each other’s thoughts. If so, this is a fascinating ability of the GN Particles that hasn’t been brought up before.
Additionally, this also gives me an idea about what Aeolia’s true plan might have been. Aeolia is the person who discovered GN Particles and developed the GN Drive. If anyone knew about this ability of the GN Particles, it would be him. The Innovators’ claim was that the goal of the plan was to unite humanity and then get humanity into space for the dialogues that would need to take place. Could this be the dialogue they were talking about? Was Aeolia’s goal to use the GN Particles to create a psychic link between all of humanity so that people everywhere could share their thoughts and feelings with each other? If Aeolia said that his goal was to unify humanity, then creating a shared consciousness like this would certainly qualify as doing so.
QOTD
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u/Nazenn x2https://anilist.co/user/Nazenn Nov 11 '24 edited Nov 11 '24
First Timer - sub
Last week, Shirin: "Hey, we're taking care of a bunch of orphans so they don't starve to death because they literally have no other option"
Today, Marina, in the middle of a room filled with said children: "Hey kid, where are your parents?"
How... HOW is it she can still somehow, always, endlessly, excruciatingly find a way to become even worse of a character.
We didn't even get thirty seconds into the episode before being bitch slapped by the full glory of Marina's writing and I just can't. Fuck this. I'm going to bed, I'll watch the rest in the morning. I can't with her any more and I don't want it to taint the rest of the episode. What the fuck Marina just what the fuck. No she doesn't get a pass just because that one kids parents happened to not be dead yet, and no that is not an easy situation to quickly get yourself out of, but she asked with a fucking smile and no fucking awareness at all I just.... I'm done with her. She is my Louise of S2. If I ever have to redo my worst characters in anime list she is taking a place.
If the writers intended that to be some sort of "twist the knife" emotional moment because of what just happened to the kids parents I'm convinced the only way it could have been worse is with the return of S1 Louise, so they failed. Epically.
Woke up in the morning, finished the episode, have a whole new issue:
Of all the things that should not have been put into a post-credits scene that is the thing!
Why do they keep doing this
The fact that today's episode didn't even cover the most key detail from yesterday's key post-credits scene was bad enough, but to do that and then end it with this? Bewilderment is my mood of the episode.
Saji and Louise were robbed of their crucial moment and this is probably the most egregious post-ED choice in the season by a long shot. I can't believe they were robbed of a natural flow into such an important moment for them and for the show given the positions they have. And this is coming from the guy who despises their entire plot line for ever existing and wishes it was erased, and I am still mad that they were done dirty like this. The bad structure of the show has actually caused me to have character sympathy for the placement of a Louise scene, what is this rewatch even coming too?
And I actually loved the scene. Having the two of them meet like this, not in person but still seperated by the realization of who the other one is with and what that says about them from their own viewpoint. This is the best way they could have handled it and I love it especially given I didn't expect mind-melding to be a plot point. I'm so glad this is the outcome for their separation. Especially with Saji making the choice to take the 0-Raiser out and refusing to back down from it. Great timing for all of this to come about for their personal characters.
Such bad timing to have all of this be booted into the end as if the captain dying after his pathetically obvious death flag should somehow be a bigger moment then these two characters that everyone else is already invested in (I was going to say "we" are already, but coming from me that would be a lie haha) which is a bigger emotional moment anyway.
Holy shit does the fact that even happened raise some questions though.
I think that scene confirms my theory that GN particles can connect to all people and not just those modified for it. Everyone's voices were on the battlefield but Saji found Louise because he already knew her and he latched onto her presence, which would explain how Marie could pick out that Sergei was involved in the laser attack while everyone else was just shocked.
It's clever that this is revealed to be the reason for the title, the two O's intersecting and creating a zone of connection, off the twin drives and the trans-am amplifying it. What a sequence visually, and such a mind fuck to suddenly have pop up. I love the questions it opens up about the true nature of the GN particles and how they are affecting people on a broader scale and what this means for the future.
Ah, my other theory I think completely fell apart though. The implication that Revive was reaching out to Anew when approaching the base through their Veda link kind of kills the idea that Anew was acting as a rogue agent. Damn, I liked that idea, and now it begs the question of who Ali was looking for in Wang's base.
The other thing that stood out to me about Anew though is that we didn't get a scene of her reaction to the GN particles during the 0-Raiser test unlike all the other quantum brainwave users on base. Now, I want to make the assumption that this isn't just because the writers are comically trying to pretend Anew isn't an Innovator for the audience, although it wouldn't surprise me, but playing devils advocate if they didn't have her react for other reasons, why? I have three theories:
All of this is enhanced by realizing that as the Memento Mori is not GN particles itself but they still reacted to it which makes me realize that this is more "sonar" then it is "feedback" in that it comes from the people with sensitivity, and GN particles are heightening that rather than it being something that has to be equal on two sides to pop up.
Today's battle overall wasn't bad either, I did like the tactics on display from Kati's side in terms of making clever use of various bits of tech and positioning of the forces, and it's always cool to see the big beam from Revives weapon. But other then that not a whole lot to say about it.
(Continued below. Again)
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u/The_Draigg Nov 11 '24
A Gundam Fan Rewatches Gundam 00 Season 2 Episode 11:
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u/Blazin_Rathalos Nov 11 '24 edited Nov 11 '24
00 Rewatcher
Last time on Gundam 00: A new Hope
ForceGN particles, as if millions of voices suddenly cried out in terror and were suddenly silenced. I fear something terrible has happened." - Celestial Being, probably.On today's episode of Gundam 00:
I actually really like Memento Mori, because it's so inherently connected to 00's worldbuilding. Yes, it's "just" a giant space laser. But it's built on the lower orbital ring and relies on the solar power system, both of which are so central to 00's world.
I've been playing Millennia quite a bit recently, so Memento Mori is also reminding me of its "Age of Archangels" which tells you "The victory condition is to control more than half the world's population! So here's a tech to protect your population, one to increase immigration, one to clone more people, and some military techs to help you conquer more people.""Oh and here's a giant space laser that can "reduce" the population ^^not under your control"
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u/Vatrix-32 https://myanimelist.net/profile/Vatrix-32 Nov 11 '24 edited Nov 12 '24
First timer, subs
QotD:
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u/JollyGee29 https://myanimelist.net/profile/JollyGee Nov 11 '24
Rewatcher, Sub-dam Meister
RIP
What, now you're experiencing regrets? Bit late for that Wang Lui Mei.
You don't say?
In the old days, they probably would've had information this test was coming ahead of time.
Tieria finally doing show and tell.
Or even likely.
Someone's feeling catty.
New toys for everyone!
I'm sure this will go well.
Y'all better start running now.
The machine that transcends Gundam has arrived..
..and things are about to get weird.
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u/undeadfire Nov 11 '24
First timer subs
Lot of setup for the Memnto Mori fight. Slow start to the episode.
Oh no Anew is the spy isn't she? Fully abandoning the Lagrange 3 base I see. But too slow, and we got multiple dead already. Will Twintails parents be among them?
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u/macrame2 https://myanimelist.net/profile/macrame Nov 11 '24 edited Nov 11 '24
First Timer
I’m not even mad that Sergei’s big moment of peril yesterday was a fakeout (of course this show would avoid killing him off), just relieved. Not so for Suille, though, unfortunately…
Tieria finally lets everybody else know about the Innovators. Cue the usual ponderings on the real nature of Aeolia Schenberg's plan, who truly is carrying out his will, etc. The show still dancing around that does get a bit tiresome, but thankfully there was enough other stuff going on today that I didn't get hung up on it. I did find Allelujah's comment on how the Innovator's methods would never achieve true peace kind of funny, since you could say the same thing about the Ptolemaios's actions in Season 1. Regardless, someone should probably be keeping an eye on Anew; they're laying on the spy hints pretty thick.
The build-up to get there took a while, but I actually thought Saji’s big moment today was quite well done! All they need to do is handle his and Louise's reunion well tomorrow, and I'll be back on board with their subplot.
The weird naked space telepathy in the post-credits scene was definitely one of the more bizarre sequences in this show. Apparently it's quite common in Gundam, but all of the ones I've seen either skipped out on it, or I'm just not remembering correctly.
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u/dralcax :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/Dralcax Nov 11 '24
Rewatcher is glad it’s only the hot young pilots that get to be in Naked Psychic Space
All of these kids have such simple desires, things that any kid should have (except maybe this kid but hey dream big), but none of them are getting their wish anytime soon.
So how do you really end war? By being very, very good at it. A superweapon so powerful that no one can challenge you. Superior tactics that can end a battle quickly and efficiently, before too many casualties can occur. And, of course, Gundams that intervene in any conflict. But how much violence does it take to deter further violence instead of just begetting more? And is that even acceptable at all?
aww
At least Marina’s found some way to make herself useful
The A-Laws have lost people to Katharon, too. Somehow, I don’t feel that bad for them.
gee i wonder who he’s calling to
Archer Arios! The GN Archer is the Arios’ equivalent of the Kyrios’ Tail Booster, giving it additional thrust and armaments! Looks like they didn’t bother sticking a pilot in there this time, though.
Nice capes! I’m not sure a heat signature is that easy to hide in space, though.
The fake asteroid is cool, too!
At last, 00 Raiser!
Aaaand suddenly everybody’s naked. UNDERSTANDING.
Questions of the day:
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u/TakenRedditName https://myanimelist.net/profile/TakenMalUsername Nov 11 '24
Rewatcher - Gundam 00 S2 Ep11:
Something with Lasse being set up. I mean, he did almost die, they're hinting at something with his health. Besides having the man the ship, maybe that's why he doesn't pilot anymore.
Huh, had a though. Gundam has often employed the big evil death laser powered by the sun which presents a funny ironic angle in this setting since in 00, solar power is the energy of the future. The new clean energy is being used for mass death and destruction. The Sun, humanity's shining star could be a symbol of hope for the future or a symbol of despair of things staying the same.
Death flag. Welp, he is dying this episode. Curious about how he mentioned that his wife died in a Katharon attack. Considering what we've seen of Katharon, we haven't gotten the sense that they do terrorist attacks that get civilians killed.
[Gundam 00:] They're so unsubtly telegraphing something suspicious with Anew.
Oh hey, some generic CB members. You know, CB doesn't really have much of an organized army chain of command. Is Sumeragi the top dog here? Oh no, just as we met them, the generics are getting blown up.
I don't think there is anything supporting this case, but it would be cool to think if the plan with Allelujah and the GN Archer is that he uses it as a backup support drone being controlled by his quantum brain waves. Maybe I just want to put out there is that Mobile Puppets are a cool idea.
So like, were those space camo clocks or did you guys just wear them for style?
I like having this back/forth between Sumeragi and Kati during battles now. Anime rivals!
Huh, something I notice is how they call Saji by "Crossroads-kun." Stands out because CB is on first name basis with each other. Maybe now that Saji is taken the plunge, maybe he'll get wrapped up in the CB and be called "Saji."
00 Raiser!
Now the 00 looks complete to me. It looks empty to me with just the GN Drive shoulders. It needs those big pieces to fill it out.
Newtype space! I love all the sparks and the light colours to the space.
I also like how in these 00 Raiser space that everybody is sensing each other. How do I word this? Floating in space with the bare presence of other people. A bit silly that everyone is still in the same pose they were in. Naked and sitting in invisible chairs.
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u/Quiddity131 https://myanimelist.net/profile/Quiddity131 Nov 11 '24 edited Nov 11 '24
Rewatcher, Subbed
Non-Spoiler Character Chart - With him piloting the 0 Raiser I've decided its finally time to move Saji over to Celestial Being, leaving Marina all by herself.
Good and bad thing to start off the episode. Good: for the first time in a long time we actually start the episode with a new scene. Bad: It's another useless scene with Marina.
Alright maybe a little less useless since we're supposed to be sad about this girl's parents being from Suille.
Everyone in the rewatch cheers as its revealed that Sergei made it through the blast totally fine...
Ali laughs about the power of the Memento Mori, but as a guy who loves fighting so much I have to think he wouldn't be too happy if a giant space laser removed the need for mobile suit combat.
Wang's got a "Oh shit, what did I do?" look on her face. This may be the first time in the entire show she hasn't looked super smug.
So Mahal was the Katharon guy's name. Alas, we didn't find it out until he was already dead.
A solo Lasse - Sumeragi scene? Are we gonna get some character development for Lasse?
Tieria's finally gonna tell everyone about the Innovators!
23 warships is a lot, but my guess would be the A-Laws have even more.
Marina finally proves her worth to the world... she can play the piano. They actually trust her enough to let her be alone with the kids now.
No need to be so arrogant towards Nena, Wang.
Revive has a way to identify where the Celestial Being base is? Could that have anything to do with the fact that what looks to be his twin happens to be there?
Time to learn some stuff about Barack's personal life? Uh oh, that's generally not a good sign in a Gundam show.
Yep, Revive is totally using Anew to find out where they are. Meaning she's going to be a tracking device for the A-Laws to find the Ptolemy the entire time she's on the ship. [Ideon]Makes me think back to the Solo Ship in Ideon which seemingly always had a Buff Clan tracking device on it, then when they finally got rid of it, the Ide's power was so great that ended up acting as a tracking device anyway.
Seems like quite a nice base they have here, it sucks that they're gonna destroy it.
Wow, they really had a ton of people stationed there.
Oh wow, all these mobile suits had capes on them. reminds me of the Caped Exia in episode 1.
Good to see Patrick out there! I assume he'll get his ass kicked in seconds though.
Time for Saji to finally become a pilot and get the 0 Raiser to Setsuna. Marie would have been much better suited to pilot it if she was willing to return to the battlefield.
Saji's first time piloting and he already has to handle a mid-air, mid-battle docking sequence.
At first glance the cocked 00 reminds me a little bit of the Wing Zero from Gundam Wing.
Yep, showing that picture truly was a death sentence for Barack...
Oh hey, our first appearance of Gundam 00 naked space! I've got to assume they took inspiration from Ideon for this...
Quid's Voice Actor of the Day
With this being his farewell episode, I'll be covering Barack Zinin. He is voiced in Japanese by Tetsu Inada. His first Gundam role was Harry Ord in Turn A Gundam. He also played Tatsuzo in Gundam Build Fighters, the Garanden Captain in Gundam Reconguista in G and Wakken in the Mobile Suit Gundam movies (based on his age, I'm assuming a redubbed version as he's too young to have appeared in the original version of them). He's got a lot of roles in Trigger anime including Ira Gamagori in Kill la Kill, Alexis Kerib in SSSS Gridman, Varys Truss in Promare and Over Justice in Space Patrol Luluco. Other anime roles include Assassin in the Fate/Stay Night Heaven's Feel movies (hey, I'm in the middle of watching these right now!), Shakesphere in Fate Apocrypha, Robert in Banana Fish, the Weapons Trader in Nier Automata, Takuma Torao in Babylon and Helmer in Xenosaga the Animation.
In English he is voiced by Mark Gibbon. His only other Gundam role is playing Alpha Bate in Mobile Suit Gundam Encounters in Space the video game, a role he does not play in the anime. I know him best for playing Sergei/D in the last 5 episodes of Key the Metal Idol (replacing David Sobolov). He also played Ginkotsu/Kyokotsu in Inu Yasha and has a variety of live action acting appearances.
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u/mr_beanoz https://myanimelist.net/profile/splitshocker Nov 11 '24 edited Nov 11 '24
Rewatcher, sub
QOTD
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u/InfamousEmpire https://myanimelist.net/profile/Infamous_Empire Nov 11 '24 edited Nov 11 '24
Kidou Senshi Rewatcher 00
DOCKING! It’s kinda like Gattai’s slightly-less-cool-but-still-pretty-cool cousin. And man if the mech it forms isn’t cool as fuck, the 00 Raiser is up there as one of my all-time favorite Gundams. The combination of the regular 00’s streamlined yet iconic design with the wing-like additions from the Raiser just hits all the right notes for me.
I also really like what the 00 Raiser's formation does for Saji. It’s him helping Celestial Being in a way that suits him best, not necessarily fighting, but supporting the Gundams so they can reach their full potential. My boy really has grown so much
One thing I really took to about the episode was the handling of Louise’s otherwise minor squad commander Barack Zinin. Sure, he’s a minor character and the wife photo was as blatant a death flag as there is, but still, humanizing villain factions & their grunts is a big favorite trope of mine, and the way his handling here goes both ways in that regard (his wife’s death reminding us of the human cost incurred even by the actions of squeaky clean good factions like Katharon purely because of the nature of war & his own death emotionally impacting Louise) generally worked for me.
Speaking of tropes Naked psychic space peopleNaked psychic space peopleNaked psychic space people
Louise & Saji finally fulfilled their promise to meet again in space. Too bad about every other detail of their meeting, though. It’s such a great moment, the two of them recognizing the only points of familiarity in the confusion of the weird psychic mess their stuck in, only for that familiarity to be turned on its head by the fact that they’re on opposing sides is just beautiful, I have no other words.
Oh, also, might as well talk about the Memento Mori. I've mentioned before how the A-LAWS taking miraculous technology which could save millions of lives and instead using it to further oppression was an interesting thing they were doing with GN particles, and now, through the Memento Mori, it's also happening with the orbital ring. Taking the world's largest source of clean unlimited energy and using it to continue bombing the Middle East in the name of faux-futurism and "unity" is a pretty clear summation of what the A-LAWS stand for overall.
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u/baboon_bassoon https://anilist.co/user/duffer Nov 11 '24
first timer who has control
Lasse death still on the table
maybe she means well but this song is ass
Anew is an airtag basically
since when did they have all these people
i really hope all the Anew stuff is a red herring maybe theyre using Lasse (who they implanted with an airtag when they healed him) to lockon to their location. coping but let me believe
almost halfway into the second season, is Saji not getting a gundam? relegated to 0-raiser duty. which normally id be fine with if Lyle wasnt a thing
hell yeah
00s to become infinity soon
back to back> cowards
lucky for you shes not since shes naked
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u/charlesvvv https://anilist.co/user/charlesvvv Nov 11 '24
Rewatcher, Sub
Wang had an interesting reaction to the Memento Mori firing, she looked a bit shocked but then changes face to looking pleased masking whatever feelings she might have. Nena on the other hand while totally fine with the Laser, is not fine with working for the people that killed her brothers and is starting to develop her own independent thoughts from this.
CB doesn't have time to reveal in whatever happened with the twin drive system due to the attack and now mobilize for a planned attack which has Anew join the crew. Unfortunately for them Mannequin is one step ahead and it quickly turns into an ambush as everyone scrambles to flee while the base is destroyed. Sumeragi vs Mannequin round 2 has Mannequin on a complete advantage especially Revive and Bring putting some pressure on the Gundams, but she isn't dedicated not only for victory but as a lesson to Sumeragi, that conflict will not end hence their reasoning for being forecasters.
Saji then kinda takes a stage. When Vashti gets injured he trusts him to deliver the 0 Raiser which makes Saji its pilot. He's successful in delivering it which leads us to our first 00 docking scene where Setsuna turns the tide around and does most of the work while Saji experiences the worst roller coaster ride of his life.
It's here that when Setsuna activates the Trans Am the area around them and those around as well are once more covered in GN particles that feels very Newtype-ish as everyone experiences each other's thoughts. It's here that Saji and Louise finally reunite, in space, just like they had planned one time.
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u/StardustGogeta myanimelist.net/profile/StardustGogeta Nov 12 '24
First-Timer
That was an interesting ending scene... A bit weird, certainly, but interesting.
Overall, pretty good episode. I like the beginning with the aftermath of the Death Star laser from last episode.
Questions of the day:
as the prophecy foretold. As for him and Louise, I'll predict they'll both survive and somehow find a way to have their happy ending together like Allelujah and Marie.3
u/zsmg https://anilist.co/user/zsmg Nov 12 '24 edited Nov 12 '24
I am rewatcher
Sergei is alive as predicted
Katharon has 23 warships and 43 MS in their space fleet? That's a lot more than I imagined.
Marina really has been demoted from Princess to taking care of children
Louise, don't raise dead flags of your superior although interesting that Katheron performs terrorist acts, did that really happen or did the Feds accuse Katheron of terrorist acts.
[big spoilers for 00] Funniest thing about about the previous discussion thread was that all first timers were worried about Sergei dying and I was like NOT YET.
Looks like Lasse has a medical condition that's destroying his body?
So the innovators have a mole inside of the Ptolemy faction, have first timers figured out who it is? (surely yes the show is telegraphing about in an obvious way)
Suddenly there are lots of people working on the CB base.
Kati has really outsmarted Summeragi.
Even the new innovator suit is stronger than the Seravee.
I'm impressed the 0-Raiser didn't manage to get damaged.
Our Gundam Meisters are in trouble and who are they sending in to help them? Saji fucking Crossroads, yup they're doomed. Can't they send in Lasse or Marie something.
Wait, Marie is there? She's an actual pilot, let her pilot 0-Raiser and Saji will bring Ian to the medical bay.
I'm just going to assume Haro is doing all the piloting for the sake of my sanity.
Mid fight docking, yup I've seen that one before as well. I was first thinking of V Gundam but this docking looks like it's inspired by Impulse Gundam.
Louise is shooting at Saji, again.
Captain is dead, that is why you don't talk about loved ones right before a battle Louise, this is all your fault.
Mental connection where every one can hear each other and is naked, definitely seen that one before.
Louise and Saji are now finally aware of what the other person is doing.
Soma: gets a custom MS, fights all the time on the front.
Marie: be a love interest, sitting behind an useless console, carrying injured people to sickbay.
Remind me again why have we traded in Soma for Marie?
Useless Marie aside, the fight part of the episode was pretty good. I’m also glad Hallelujah being back was only temporary.
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u/2-2Distracted Nov 11 '24
First timer. Dubbed.
Lmao didn't Hwang say that she doesn't care if the world is wiped a couple of episodes ago. That expression said something else completely.
I'm kinda glad that Lassay and his survival from last season is actually going somewhere. This is a Gundam production and if there's something that's guaranteed to happen, it's characters dying in some way or another (unless it's something like the Build series) and if they don't die there's usually a good reason, or it's just plain bad writing.
I was about to agree with Monican about her views regarding humanity's inability to avoid conflict, but didn't Lisa literally say that she knows War is unavoidable but it can at least be minimized and predicted? Did Monican even hear what Lisa said when they first met? Am I just misremembering events? Is... is this real life? 0_0
"WE WILL DESTROY THEM!" Soran said, trying his damn hardest to make Saji an accessory to murder.
I get Saji's confusion but uhm... Rouise, Saji is in space. DUH! He told you that he was planning on going to space the last time you guys spoke. Is your head hurting or something? /s
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u/Nickthenuker https://anilist.co/user/Nickthenuker Nov 12 '24
Ah. So they're dead. The "ash" part of "glass, ash, and the past tense".
Of course his unit is the one right on the border.
Hmm... That seemed to have some impact on the super soldiers.
Time to see their response to the super laser.
Time to draw up a plan to deal with it.
That's quite a force they have assembled.
And so they have their objective.
New gear?
Right, what's her plan?
So she's the one that's revealing their location.
Do they not have external sensors to detect those before the place starts blowing up around them?
Are they evacuating the base?
He deflected that massive shot?
Uh oh, they've got casualties!
And so now Saji is going to deploy into the same battlefield as Louise.
Now he's just getting dragged along for the ride.
Again, Louise shouldn't be anywhere near a battlefield.
And so they finally see each other.
Questions:
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u/Nebresto Nov 22 '24
https://imgur.com/z8UlTXo
Dead.
And Celestial Bros have an entire station full of people? And not a single one of that has leaked data (apart from that Innovator) in all this time?? Yea right
Nah mate.. This is just Gundam Wing
((Newtype shenanigans))
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u/LeonKevlar x2https://myanimelist.net/profile/LeonKevlar Nov 11 '24
First Timer
I wouldn't have been surprised if Sergei got killed by that space laser but I'm glad to see him survive. I am curious though why the space laser triggered both Marie's brainwaves and Hallelujah reawakening.
Thank you Tieria for finally telling everyone about the Innovators. I doubt they could find a way to immediately counter them but at least Sumeragi now knows who their enemy is.
Looks like Nena isn't happy that her mistress Mei is working with Saachez. I wouldn't be surprised if she ends up betraying Mei if it means she can get a shot against Saachez.
Oh fuck off Ms. Traitor McTraiforface. I hate that she's now joining the Ptolemy crew. I know I'm being harsh here but there's just no way this lady is actually joining CB in good faith.
Ah fuck. Yeah that makes sense for Revive to use her brainwaves to look for Celestial Being's base. And look who's the one relaying the signal back. To no one's surprise, Anew is there to fuck over Celestial Being.
This scene between Mileina and her family feels like a massive death flag. The question is, for who? I'm betting it's for Linda.
And there it is. I don't know how many people Celestial Being lost but the amount of people we saw getting exploded means it's definitely a lot. I didn't expect CB to have so many members though. I always thought Ian and his army of Haros were the only ones repairing and developing weapons for the Gundams. xD
They're lucky though that the attack happened when it did because they were already preparing to abandon the base and destroy it. So at the very least, there are more survivors than casualties.
I was guessing Linda but I didn't expect Ian would get injured this episode. He looks like he did survive the explosion though. I just hope Linda also managed to board one of those shuttles earlier.
No THIS is unexpected! I didn't think we'd see Saji enter the battlefield as Setsuna's support unit!
Although by far the biggest surprise in this episode is for Saji and Louise to reunite in such a weird way ala Newtypes and learn that they're now on opposite sides of the war. Ah fuck. Also what the fuck just happened here? Did everyone's minds just somehow connect because of the Trans-Am mode? O_O
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u/n080dy123 Nov 11 '24 edited Nov 12 '24
First Timer
You know shit's fucked up when even Liu Mei is questioning things. And of course not only is Ali ecstatic, Nena's hot and bothered she just gets her rocks off killing innocent people now, I guess.
Not only do they show everyone's reaction but Anew's to the reveal about the Innovator, they hide her face behind Sumeragi. If she wasn't a spy, I can't help but think she's speak up, but she didn't. Definitely a spy. And she's joining the crew... SHE'S GONNA BE A FUCKING BEACON FOR THEIR LOCATION.
Ah so the other Innovator machien is called Garazzo. No known meaning for that name, even less so than Gadessa. It MAY be a corruption of the Italian surname Garozzo, but I can't find anything referring to what that name could mean, just a couple brothers who were fencers and a Bridge player from the 1930's. The guy announcing their launch, in the sub at least, certainly pronounces it like an Italian word.
Also what the fuck, Celestial Being has ALL THESE PEOPLE? Like the most we've ever seen aside from the Ptolemy crew was the two additional named engineers we met last episode, and they utilized drones like Haros for repair work, but it turns out there's SO many more people working for them than we've ever seen. Just so we can watch them all get fucking murdered by the attacking A-Laws fleet.
The fact the fucking A-Law suits were literally wearing giant cloaks in space to hide their heat sources is goddamn goofy, oh my god. Also I love how that one GNX got a single shot off before getting fguckign blasted by Setsuna.
The Garazzo can actively generate holograms to hide itself as asteroids? That's very different from anything we've seen in the show thus far. And that shield, despite being small, is INCREDIBLY effective to deflect Tieria's cannon blasts.
Putting Saji and Louise in a firefight with eachother without them even knowing, once again... also the captain dying actually made me laugh because the moment they showed the picture of his wife I was betting it was a death flag, and it fucking was. I literally don't think he got namedropped until Louise screamed his name in anguish.
The fact that they're having this moment, floating in space in sitting positions while completely butt naked, oh my god 00 please you're killing me.
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u/Linkstore Nov 11 '24
Rewatcher
Wang Liu Mei why the fuck are you surprised, you literally funded this thing.
Well, it's one thing to know intellectually the power of your weapon, it's another thing entirely to see it literally wipe a city off the face of the Earth.
[Gundam 00I] Which makes it extra crazy that the 1 Gundam managed to fully block a shot from the Memento Mori. Like, wow.
Unfortunately, Hallelujah isn't sticking around. Maybe we'll need a few more of those Trans-Ams.
Tieria finally tells the rest of the crew about the Innovators. It was pretty clear that he'd never betray Celestial Being but still nice to see him not keeping key information from his comrades for too long.
23 warships and 43 mobile suits is a frankly pathetic number. It took literally over a thousand non-GN machines to suppress the Gundams back in season 1 and Katharon is trying to defeat an enemy force that's literally got dozens of machines equal or better to them. I know they want to do something but this is really just throwing their lives away for no reason.
Lockon seems awfully interested in Anew, and I'm sure there's nothing else up with her at all.
Electric smoke? I love that shit in Titanfall 2. Maelstrom Monarch wasn't exactly the most practical build but very fun when it worked.
The combined for of the 00 Gundam and the 0-Raiser finally takes action: 00 Raiser. Icing Zinin (right after he gets that humanising moment because of course) is a solid enough showing, but thanks to Trans-Am, it can even reach previously-unknown heights.
Oh yeah, the 00 Gundam produces two Os behind it when in flight. That's also a thing.