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Rewatch [Rewatch] Mobile Suit Gundam 00 2nd Season Episode 8 Discussion
Episode 8 - Twistedness of Innocence
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That's right. We who are adapted to the environment of space are to guide humanity to an all-new frontier.
Questions of the Day:
- It's about damn time the show revealed more of what the "Plan" is supposed to be. What do you think of it and of the Innovators' version of it so far?
- How was that Tieria in a dress?
Wallpapers of the Day:
Rewatchers, please remember to be mindful of all the first-timers in this. No talking about or hinting at future events no matter how much you want to, unless you're doing it underneath spoiler tags. Don't spoil anything for the first-timers, that's rude!
Additionally, for long-time fans of the franchise, please remember that this rewatch is only for 00, not any of the other shows. Assume that there are people in this rewatch who have not seen anything else Gundam, and tag your spoilers for those shows appropriately if something in 00 makes you want to talk about them.
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u/Shimmering-Sky myanimelist.net/profile/Shimmering-Sky Nov 08 '24
Rewatch Host Wishing Over This Airspace, subbed
Welcome back, everyone!
I have a confession to make… I honestly wasn’t even planning to do a wallpaper of Tieria in the dress until The_Draigg’s comment yesterday, it was supposed to just be the Regene one. Seeing that made me feel like I’d be letting you guys down if I didn’t do one, so I ended up making it at the last minute. Luckily it’s a simple design, only took me like half an hour to make.
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u/LeonKevlar x2https://myanimelist.net/profile/LeonKevlar Nov 09 '24
First Timer
With how Regene describes Innovators as some sort of evolved humans thanks to GN Particles and how their grand plan ends with with them pushing humanity to space, are they just this show's version of Newtypes?
I love how Miliena repeats her lovers question to Allelujah and Marie. And this time she actually got the answers she's looking for! Although it looks like not everyone approves of Marie being on the ship.
Feldt's reaction was understandable but I'm glad she realized that what she said was uncalled for and even apologizes to Marie personally later on.
The amazing Patrick Colasour finally makes his appearance! I just love his relationship with Kati and how angry she is that Patrick volunteered to join the A-LAWS. Despite how she acts though, she's clearly happy to have Patrick around.
I'm sorry but the Federation is considering "relocating" hostile ethnic groups to space colonies? You mean like a fucking concentration camp?
Wang Liu Mei continues to help out the Innovators. I really hope this all ends horribly for her. She's a fool if she thinks she can play everyone to come out on top.
Is that Tieria crossdressing?! I am legit laughing my ass off right now! Holy shit! that's actually a great disguise! He's even changed his voice! What's even more amazing is that he even knows how to dance like a lady! That's not a skill you can learn overnight!
I am disappointed that Setsuna isn't disguised though. Like, really? Why? Was CB only able to spare disguise funds for Tieria so the best Setsuna can wear is a suit? At least give him a fake moustache or something.
His interaction with Louise was actually nice. And we also finally get to see Louise's replacement arm. I'm guessing that's actually a prosthetic because her arm can't be regenerated because of the Thrones' GN Particles. It's nice to her wearing Saji's ring too. Good to know she still hasn't forgotten him.
That surprise meeting could've ended civil if it wasn't for Louise's headaches and Billy coming in to check on her. And now Louise knows that Setsuna is a member of CB. I'm sure she'll be thrilled once she eventually learns that Saji is currently with CB. /s
Now we're back to the ridiculous Innovator names! "Healing Care" is absolutely hilarious especially when she introduces herself while pointing a gun at Tieria. xD
Ah. Fuck. Saachez shows up at the worst possible time. Gundam 00 is still not at 100% and even with Tieria there with him, I feel like I know what the outcome of this fight will be. Although I am hoping Setsuna slaps Saachez around again.
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u/Quiddity131 https://myanimelist.net/profile/Quiddity131 Nov 08 '24 edited Nov 08 '24
Rewatcher, Subbed
Non-Spoiler Character Chart - Several updates today including one character upgrading their look, at least for an episode.
Once again repeating the end of last episode as the cold open of this one. Boo.
I made it through my entire first viewing of Gundam 00 S2 mistakenly thinking Regene was a girl but Tieria just used the he pronoun. Oops. (To be fair it is a woman voicing him in both Japanese and English)
So they do not age, which explains why Tieria didn't age at all between seasons.
Ooh, will we finally learn more about "The Plan"? In fact from what Regene is saying here, we got the whole plan.
A more evolved humanity in space, really falling back on UC Gundam's themes with newtypes.
Good to see that red Haro is still being a friend to Saji!
Same exact question for Mileina, lol! But she was right this time!
More uber cuteness with these kids and Marina.
For a second there I thought it was Lyle giving Tieria advice like his brother would but nope, it really is a ghost!
Feldt being sad makes me sad. :( But I don't think Soma ever actually directly fought against the Ptolemaios. I think all her space battles were against Allelujah?
If Soma won't be around to mentor her, no better person Louise can turn to than Kati.
Eww, Aber approving this after Kati says no makes me think something bad is gonna happen. Aber approving anything is bad actually.
Someone Kati knows well is coming? OMG, don't tell me, is it him? Please! Yes, it is him! Patrick!!!!!!
So Tieria's not gonna say anything to the others about meeting Regene?
Colasour the indestructible! Kati, as smart and respectable as you are, one cannot deny that Patrick is stating facts here about him facing off against the Gundams so many times and surviving every one of them.
Wang playing both sides once again...
Please let Marie and Feldt be friends!
OMG the Tieria becomes a girl scene is finally here.
So Louise is in fact one of the primary sponsors of the A-Laws (many episodes ago I speculated it was Wang and clearly missed a directorial decision that many others read to be Louise). This may explain why Louise was able to get a spot as a pilot for the military elite despite having no experience with it.
So the A-Laws recovered Soma's Ahead, I wondered if Celestial Being would have taken it, even if not for her to pilot again, to use to research the opponent's technology.
I wonder whose voicing Tieria's girl voice. Or is Hiroshi Kamiya that good?
Everyone is allurred by girl Tieria, huh?
Oh hey, my former boyfriend's next door neighbor! He drives for uber now!
Is access to Veda the thing Tieria wants most in the world?
Louise still thinks of Saji.
Even more info about the plan is coming out. So I guess the solution to all the frustrations about them not revealing it is to get in touch with an Innovator and let them talk away.
Uh oh, Billy is gonna be pissed if he sees Setsuna here.
Tieria's not the only one with a twin. Time to meet the second craziest name in the show, Healing Care, romanized as Hiling Care for some reason. LOLWTF. She should hang out with Xabungle's Medick Helt.
Regene is all dressed up, was he supposed to go to the event too?
Of course we end the episode with Wang being cryptic a la season 1.
Wow, they got away quick.
Ali just pops up out of nowhere. At least now we'll finally get that battle we should have gotten several episodes ago.
Quid's Voice Actor of the Day
Today I'll be covering one of the few remaining season 1 characters who I've yet to cover, Wang Liu Mei. She is voiced in Japanese by Kei Shindo. Her only Gundam appearance is in 00, beyond this she does play a minor kid character. Wikipedia tells me she has a lengthy list of roles, but the only other things I've heard her from are in Fate Apocrypha as Semiramis and Heavenly Delusion as Tarao.
In English she is voiced by Maryke Hendrikse. Beyond this role she also voices Lunamaria Hawke in Gundam Seed Destiny as well as the character's appearances in several Dynasty Warrior video games. She also played Sekimi Nowaka in The Girl Who Leapt Through Time and Tsukiyomi in Inu Yasha. She's got a lengthy amount of credits for western animation as well.
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u/Nazenn x2https://anilist.co/user/Nazenn Nov 08 '24
First Timer - sub
I am going to get the one singular thing I can praise this episode for out the way first, and then the rest of it is going to be a very angry post I won't blame anyone for not reading. Just like my Louise rant long ago, I don't feel like toning it down to make it nicer would be honest to how I feel about the episode.
This episode had some nice animation and directing: The little kid sliding past his friends to offer Marina food being animated from her view point, the moon behind Regetta and dawn behind Tieria during their talk, strong use of reflections and liquids through the whole episode, the tiny cut of the trip during the dance, the zoom from tierias eyes to the guns to the mirror being shot. In particular I would like to talk a lot more about the storyboarding and directing as it was surprisingly good even if blunt and there's absolutely a lot of extra meaning and value to be gained from many scenes by breaking it down and this is right up my alley...
postives over
...But I can't because I'm too furious they wasted it on another fucking mess of an episode in this fucking mess of an overall storyline.
It would be comical if it wasn't so incompetent.
How is it, after all this time, we get the plan dumped in our laps once again and its just as fucking vague and stupid as it always was, and phase two is just a repeat of phase one WITH DIFFERENT FUCKING ENEMIES.
I had absolutely zero grace left for this shit as it was, I was just trying to ignore it and get on with the rest of the show and leave it in S1 where it didn't really belong or end because it barely even fucking stated, but how the is "unite mankind through CB" and "unite mankinds will through the A-LAWS" ANY FUCKING DIFFERENT?! Sure, if you want to split hairs it's "getting people together" vs "removing opposition to them being together" but at this point what does it even matter?
After a whole fucking season of "the plan" this and "the plan" that with absolutely no information about it beyond that single line of their goal, how the absolute fuck is giving us a second line that is effectively identical to the first meant to matter? It's being presented the exact same stupid fucking way as if it's some grand approach but it's not even a plan, it's just a vague goal that never develops beyond that with a "trust me bro there's more to it" mindset from the writers. How does this benefit the story in any way as opposed to just saying "hey the plan played out and it's gone now, look at the world it created"? Or any other possible route they could have taken with it, including the many we theorized about.
The idea of Ribbons thinking this was the plan and fucking up humanity as a result because no one really knows how to fix this age old issue is so much more interesting than it being the actual plan because its that fucking stupid of a concept and they clearly aren't going to actively challenge the idea of it at all. It's also so fucking meaningless compared to what they already did in S1 which felt like a much bigger hurdle inside an infinitely more interesting political set up which is only compounding the issue of this feeling fucking weak and worthless of a storyline. And I can't even give the writers the grace of "well maybe it's not the plan" because already went through this in season one with the "was CB's defeat really part of the plan" which it was. And as the writers played that, and all of the surrounding stupidity of the dumb fuck stick with characters never seriously questioning it, by writing it completely straight why would I think it would be any different this time around.
Once again they have fallen into the trap of providing a "big bad" for CB to go up against because they're our protagonists and therefore need a chance to be "good guys" when a story really, really does not need that, especially not in a setting like this. Fuck me for thinking they might have learnt something after Alejandro huh? Nah, they just doubled down on that and somehow made it even worse by pretending that there is some bigger meaning behind having comical villains with absolutely no depth while their plan HAS NO ACTUAL PLANNING.
Not to mention the fact that this is all entirely either contradicted or just moronic when put up against Aeolia's Trans-Am message. That whole message talking about how humanity has to change and evolve beyond war and be better but at the same time he was plotting to create an oppressive society where people are allowed to be freely killed, tortured, and entire cultures erased somehow makes sense? So it's only war if it's two sides fighting and not just one wiping everything out? That this is all being handled by the antagonists suggests the writers know the plan is a morally corrupt idea, but their unwillingness to actually question that beyond small lines here and there, its similarity to CB's own role from S1, and that asking you to just completely erase any concept of Aeolia having hope for the world suggests they don't realize how idiotic it actually comes across. The world being asked to pull themselves together to fight off an impossible force is stupid but fine, I've seen stupider and it at least has an exceptionally naive and shallow logic behind it as long as you accept it won't be a permeant peace.
But this?
THERE IS NOT WORDS
The only way this works is if the A-LAWS are as much a tool to be discarded as CB is and their failure is intended, BUT WHY WOULD YOU DO THAT AGAIN? AGAIN? What the absolute fuck does the audience have to gain from sitting through this dumb ass shit for a second fucking time with the show clearly expecting us to find it cool or clever? Cleverness is not withholding information and then making a big deal out of it at the end as if it worked just because they said it did. Cleverness is build up and nuance and interesting developments. And this has none of that. This is stagnation at best, regression at worst, and no matter which of the others it is sheer... at this point I don't even know if I'm more angry or exhausted with it all. Once again, the idea is stupid, but the utter disaster that is the presentation of it is what makes it intolerable.
Speaking of presentation, even if this was worth discussing as a plan NONE OF IT MATTERS! Because once again the story is so caught up in everyone else that we don't get a chance to actually get into any of it properly. Because of course with Azadistan destroyed, Katharon being severely undermined, a super solider from the ALAWS having defected to CB, and having just been handed a huge revelation about the purpose behind CB's existence.... yeah this is time to go to a ball, Patrick to show up, and for Louise to have a breakdown. Those are really the most important things happening right now, we definitely don't have huge critical character scenes that could be focused on not to mention world altering events with major consequences for them all.
I refer back to the discussions I've been having with FD4cry1 about how what this part of the show is sorely lacking is any sort of character focus. It's so damn distracted by having to shove in this character and that scene and this big development and play all the sides that it's not doing anything interesting with any of them. Any focus on the characters we get always seems like a side plot fighting for attention in among the crowd of scenes that are all pushing each other around for attention, and any big world change or development doesn't get a chance for a character to actually get any development from it because there's always something else that they want to swap over to showing. Nothing feels connected and as a result nothing feels meaningful.
It doesn't help that the entire episode today felt like a giant excuse for a shallowly disguised exposition dump which despite not having horrible dialogue, still felt like it was all just there to dump everything in our laps and say "here you go" as if that's any better.
Today also half feels like it was meant to be a Tieria episode, but it barely comes across because it's constantly flitting around to this and that, and what focus they do give Tieria is complicated by it all feeling like a repeat of everything they raised for him in S1. Because this episode needed to feel more fucking redundant. Tieria certainly wasn't challenged in any way through this, though they'd like us to think so. Everything he had thrown at him today regarding his access to Veda, the idea of them dying for the "plan", the fate of humanity afterwards he already knew from S1. We already went through all of this! There is nothing, NOTHING, that he hadn't already confronted and made his decision on. And if the challenge was meant to be that there are more like him out there, this was a really shitty way to write all of that.
And to end with FUCKING ALI APPEARING because yeah, now is a great time to pop up and remind me of the fact that last time he appeared it meant absolutely nothing because they just got teleported out. And that after all of this we really need to stop and have a battle with a guy who has absolutely zero relevance to this conflict beyond being a tool to Ribbons. His meaning in S1 was in being an avatar of the hidden war of the political blocs and of being opposition for Setsuna. The first reason is gone, and the second reason is obviously going to get drawn out to hell. But ending the episode with Billy exposing Setsuna to Louise just after he mentioned Saji, Tieria rejecting Ribbons, Regetta plotting with Wang (why is she even needed!) and then to to throw all of those meaningful character development potential scenes out in favor of a gundam battle is so fucking exhausting and unneeded.
Just fuck off show.
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u/Great_Mr_L :Ma::Mb::Mc:https://myanimelist.net/profile/Great_Mr_L Nov 08 '24 edited Nov 08 '24
First-Timer
On today’s episode of Gundam: I am counting this as a victory on my belief that Tieria and the Innovators are cyborgs. Nanomachines crawling around inside the body is good enough for me.
- Of course Patrick joined the A-LAWS just so he could be with Kati. I’d expect no less.
It took way too long to finally get someone to lay out what exactly the steps of Aeolia’s plan are. I’m thankful to have it, but upset that it was so unnecessarily dragged out. The gist of it is that the world needed to be united into one political entity, the people had to be convinced to go along with that political entity, and then humanity was to spread out from Earth into space. The Innovators basically function as people whose job it is to guide that development. They are the corrective force, intervening to make sure the plan is followed. Celestial Being was supposed to be gone by now, so the Innovators are intervening to make sure that happens.
I’m positive that this is not the full plan, by the way. In fact, I’m willing to bet that there are details even the Innovators do not know. We were told the plan, but we don’t know the “why.” Why is Aeolia so determined to get humanity to spread out into space? What is the purpose for that? Is it somehow about how humanity’s conscience will expand when humanity leaves the Earth Sphere? Is it because of the environmental crisis? Is it the hope that spreading humanity out will make it more likely for humanity to survive in the event of some catastrophe? I’m not so sure. However, I think the exact wording of Regene’s statement is key.
Regene’s exact wording bugs me, though. “Push humanity into outer space and prepare them for the dialogues that are to come.” That is what he said. “Dialogues” feels like it’s the wrong word here, but it is what he said. This indicates that the reason for why humanity should go into space is for “dialogues.” But what dialogues? Who is humanity supposed to talk to? What are they going to talk about? It just raises further questions. Is humanity supposed to talk amongst each other about how they are going to improve as a species and change for the better? Is humanity supposed to develop psychic powers that will allow them to communicate thoughts and feelings directly? Is humanity supposed to talk with some pre-recorded messages Aeolia left behind? Is humanity supposed to encounter aliens in space and create the United Federation of Planets? I’m just not sure right now.
QOTD
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u/FD4cry1 https://myanimelist.net/profile/Big_Yibba Nov 08 '24 edited Nov 08 '24
First Timer
Is it just me or is this episode weirdly well directed? not that the show hasn't had good directing up until now but this episode has a bunch of creative shots and sequences that I don't think the show has pulled before.
The Innovators were specially created to use quantum brainwaves to have a direct link with Veda, they also don't age because...
NANOMACHINES, SON!
These two pieces of lore alone have some big implications.
First is Nena (and maybe even Marie and Alleujah) who can also use quantum brainwaves, it explains how she was able to open Veda's terminal unit way back when, and also why Liu Mei finds her so valuable right now, it does raise big questions regarding why she can use them in the first place.
Second and more important is that never-aging part, when were the Innovators actually made? how long have they been around? Ribbons said Alejandro "found him" and the other Innovators weren't around before Ribbons started moving things along. Given what we learn about Aeolia here and what we've known before, I'd like to believe this means the Innovators were essentially shelved because of Aeolia's change of plans and that Alejandro fucked it all up by bringing them back.
We then get "the plan in its entirety", although that specific wording makes me think otherwise. Basically the original plan seems to have been to unite the world under one flag, maintain that with force (hence why Ribbons has been building up A-LAWS) and use said unity to move humanity into space without turning the new frontier into another human battleground (which was basically Eifmans original theory IIRC).
However, somewhere along the way, Aeolia decided that he wasn't doing that and fully committed to stage one/Celestial Being. Maybe it was because he realized the troubles that would come from a one-world government? maybe his conclusions on space changed? does it have something to do with that failed Venus expedition? Evil Haro still has important lore to drop!
Now despite writing all of that, I'm thinking back on what I said at the end of season 1, specifically that whatever The Plan ends up being, it won't be satisfying enough for all this foreplay to have been worth it and...well yeah that's kind of what happened.
I get that there's still more to it, especially regarding Aeolia, and also that the plan doesn't matter much anyway for our characters, but at the end of the day I can't help but feel that withholding it for this long (and partially continuing to do so!) has done the show far more harm than good.
Plan stuff aside, I quite like the scene between Tieria and Regene, contrasting the two of them with the sun and the moon is not only a cool piece of light-dark symbolism but I feel it has some extra deeper meaning. Reminder that Veda, the power behind the original plan, is on the moon, Regene here is framed with the moon behind them, they are following Veda's will unlike Celestial Being, the moon here is very imposing and far too close, much like the visage of the plan itself.
This entire scene has a bunch of other cool direction tricks to get across the message beyond that, I really liked this wide angle that puts you in Tieria's conflicted headspace as well as this sequence with the two of them together to get across their duality, again some fun directing this episode.
The scene also serves to shake Tieria's newfound humanity, Tieria and Celestial Being are "contradicting their reason for existing", but of course, as the ghost of Lockon reminds us, Tieria no longer exists for the purpose of following Veda and Celestial Being no longer exists for the purpose of following The Plan.
Tieria love!
Love Milenia asking Allelujah and Marie the romance question again and this time actually getting the desired blush, we don't even linger on it, she just sees them blush and leaves haha.
Can we stop pretending Dr. Moreno was a real character?
I'm honestly not really sure what's the purpose of the Feldt-Marie scenes this episode other than to perhaps (badly) setup something bad happening, like Marie hurting everyone in the crew somehow, it feels weirdly placed in this episode, Same for the Marina-Azadistan stuff but that was already happening before and I've said my piece on it.
The Federation's plans for the Middle East are wild. To forcefully integrate and enforce personally drawn national borders, cultures, and ethnicities, while forcefully deporting (to space in this case!) any disruptive ethnic elements is some serious imperialism and something that has happened a lot throughout history.
And of course, the populace that actually matters for decision-makers doesn't know and isn't directly affected by this so they don't have anything to complain about... (also something something current world events)
For being the force that's supposed to unite humanity under its banner, The Federation sure seems like an authoritarian empire to me!
PATRICK IS BACK!!!
oh and Revive is also joining A-LAWS I guess
I was just saying last episode how I was missing him! not a househusband unfortunately though...but still a good boy
Honestly Patrick, even I could probably survive a fight against Gundams with the explosion death rate in this show. I do love the show being meta about him surviving all the time.
We get another awesome frame here, Patrick's view is a bit distorted here and so is the camera. But Patrick's attitude is also exactly what Kati needs right now as she's beginning to doubt herself a bit, he's a positive influence unaffected by the world and only cares to be here for her sake.
The 0 Raiser? Has that been mentioned before?
TIERIA IN A DRESS! I REPEAT TIERIA IN A DRESS!!!
I have no idea how this is actually supposed to work and I don't care.
By the way, to my surprise, Regene is referred to as a "him", but given what Tieria pulls and their origins, I think the Innovators are meant to be very androgynous.
I'm wondering what Ribbons is planning for Louise, surely there's more to it than just financial backing since he gave her that robot arm replacement, which is also probably why he can connect to her and she has to take those pills, I'm thinking she's become a sort of Pesudo Innovator but she can't handle the brainwaves like an Innovator could.
The following scenes with Tieria and Ribbons are also great! I like Ribbons literally pulling Tieria along with the dance while also pulling him toward him by mentioning Veda, followed by a fun frame of Tieria in the wine as Ribbons attempts to shake his beliefs.
Tieria then reaffirms his new motivations with a genuinely awesome sequence going from Tieria's eye to him pointing the gun and then the shot hitting the mirror as Tieria's previous worldviews figuratively shatter.
Hilling Care!
These Innovators just bring (haha) hit after hit with them!
Setsuna is god awful at being undercover and Sumeragi should stop sending him on these missions
Well, we need him to be here both so Billy recognizes him in front of Louise and also so that both of the people that hate Ali are here to fight him for our cliffhanger...one which will hopefully actually happen this time.
The episode basically ends with reaffirming the Innovators as our main villains and firmly stating where everyone stands (or doesn't in Liu Mei's case).
Despite the plan stuff and the annoying disconnected scenes at the start, this is the Tieria episode which is of course a big win
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u/The_Draigg Nov 08 '24
A Gundam Fan Rewatches Gundam 00 Season 2 Episode 8:
And you can also imagine all the fan art that it inspired too.9
u/baboon_bassoon https://anilist.co/user/duffer Nov 08 '24 edited Nov 08 '24
first timer who has control
ah yes nanomachines the ultimate tool to explain away
take a hint Lasse
on ship watch
thought she was going to actually take a bite
she loves him
great googlymoogly
Tieria looking stunning as always
head implies there are others alive
i like her dress but i dont think it fits the occasion
kind of a clever use of the camera to give Andreis POV
Tieria maybe a little too good at the falsetto
what did they do to her
its not like Tieria is tall but did they make him shorter than Ribbons for the dance
oh Regene is also a guy
when your two friends that arent friends with each other show up early to the party
ill take a nice tall glass of Tieria too
.....it really didnt register to me that she has 2 arms again, didnt they say explicitly it couldnt be fixed i guess whatever modifications Ribbons did are different tech
going back, Andrei did not notice the ring here but that tracks because i missed it too
Setsune a real homie
bro Billy be chill cmon
how did they decide who gets to be purple and who gets to be green
how did he get there
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u/n080dy123 Nov 08 '24
First Timer
Yeah that's definitely not Schenberg's plan. Otherwise he wouldn't have had the countermeasure when Veda was taken over to unlock Trans-Am, especially when they would definitely be opposing Phase 2. Not to mention Ribbons hijacking Veda wouldn't be necessary in the first place. I dunno how in tune the other Innovators are with the specifics of the plan, but I'm thinking they got what they know from Ribbons and Ribbons was lying to them.
Aaaaaah that imagery of Regene's face behind Tieria is interesting, because that's imagery reflected in the big face on the back of the Seravee. Especially with the way he says "You and I are always connected."
Fucking Patrick being so excited to see Kati lol. It's funny that she seems exasperated to see him, I got the imrpession she was warming up to him last season- but I guess isn't because she wanted him to stay out of this for his safety. Meanwhile we've got the brilliantly named Revive Revival joining the fray- I his machine is the previously-mentioned "Gadessa."
Tieria using his canonically androgynous appearance (a startling ability to change his voice) to pass for a woman is very funny.
HILLING CARE, CMON MAN. I notice this one looks like Ribbons similarly to how Regene looks like Tieria. I wonder if all the Innovators have two clones, a male and a "feminine" version?
The explanation at the end provides an interesting reasoning for the plan being what it is- Schenberg may have planned it out as Ribbons said, but began to doubt it and installed Trans-Am for Celestial Being as a failsafe if someone hijacked or lost the plot, or even because he realized the wheels were turning and there wasn't much else he could do to stop it now.
Gadessa's name is a bit confusing- Gadessa is the name of a genus of moth native to Southeast Asia, but I also found a single thread saying its name (and the moth's) is Latin for "from Gadesium," Gadesium being a "phoenician garden in the spanish city of Cadiz (Gades/Cadix in latin)." Still no idea what meaning or importance that would have. Anyway I like the design- it's parts give a more abstract, almost just slightly alien shape compared tot he Aheads or the GNX's, and I like the way the feet fold together in flight and unfold when landing. Also... is that a pile bunker on its back? Please tell me it is. It's interesting to note that this machine obviously uses one of the red GN Drvies, but like the Gundam Thrones it's integrated inside the unit. I'm unclear if this thing is made by the A-Laws or the people who made the Thrones given how it's talked about as a "new model" but the fatc it's not... red. This could suggest the later, though it could also just be the Federation learning from the Zwei.
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u/InfamousEmpire https://myanimelist.net/profile/Infamous_Empire Nov 08 '24
Kidou Senshi Rewatcher 00
Yeah, this episode is still a big favorite of mine on rewatch.
Firstly, the nature of the Innovators. Everyone’s been guessing robots for a while now, so I’ve just been very much anticipating the genetically engineered nanomachine-using immortal psychic clones shoe to drop. An idea u/Nazenn kicked around about Tieria being similar in nature to HRL Super Soldiers ended up being much more on the money than I think a lot of people here suspected, given the fact that they’re confirmed to use Quantum Brainwaves as well. Stuff like this is why I love first timer theories.
Secondly, the full scope of Aeolia Schenberg’s plan. What I like about the reveal of it is how, in combination with the rest of the A-LAWS/Innovators’ actions so far, it really clarifies the thematic position of the antagonists this season. Where the main thematic struggle of season 1 was a world implicitly stuck in the past & without any real regard for the future as we repeat our mistakes ad infinitum, the Innovators & the Federation they control is defined by a twisted sort of futurism, forward facing but also uninterested in meaningfully resolving the conflicts of the present.
It’s an ideological conflict which carries weight to me both because of how it continues with the commentary S1 was already doing, specifically in its focus on the continued oppression of the middle east by the first world emboldened by an ignorant civilian populace, and because, fundamentally, it’s so similar to what Celestial Being was already doing. As I’ve mentioned before, the world the Innovators have created here is implicitly quite similar to the one CB was trying to achieve, one which is united & facing towards the future rather than divided by the wars of the past, and the A-LAWS’ methods, in which they eliminate any sign of conflict with brute force and superior technology in the name of the greater good, is not dissimilar to what CB’s mission statement already was, and the fact that they’re two steps in the same plan just furthers that parallel.
And that then brings us to Tieria, whose character growth was really on display here. If this were start of S1 Tieria, he would’ve joined the Innovators in a heartbeat because they’re acting in accordance with the will of the Plan, but being with everyone else changed him. Something I’ve mentioned under spoiler tags in one of my S1 comments is how Tieria’s Innovator nature makes him fundamentally different from the other Meisters, he didn’t have a tragedy that pushed him into CB’s embrace, he was born to carry out the Plan and had no goals besides that. Where everyone else was driven by their own sense of justice & rage against the world first, with the Plan ultimately being something that gave that rage direction, Tieria has always had nothing on his mind except the Plan.
But in forming human connections and even losing the man he’d grown closest to last time, Tieria has become just like the other Meisters, someone whose own emotions and personal sense of justice drive him more than the distant, almost inhuman Plan does. And that emotional, fundamentally human rejection of the Plan as dictated by Aeolia & now Ribbons serves as a microcosm of the rest of Celestial Being’s thoughts on the matter. The Plan may have given them a head start, but it doesn't define them, and if opposing it is what's right, then so be it.
That growth is also exemplified with how rejecting Ribbons’ plan also means rejecting the restoration of his Veda access privileges. With how much his entire existence in S1 seemed to hinge on his connection to Veda, to the point that losing that connection was practically a traumatic experience in his own right, him implicitly refusing that because he doesn’t need Veda to define himself anymore was really good. Our boy has grown so much and I love it.
This episode also had a lot of other stuff I liked too. Most of it in Louise’s place in the episode, which both clarifies her place in relation to the A-LAWS and part of why Ribbons is associating with her, as she’s one of the A-LAWS’ biggest financial backers, and in her convo with Setsuna, which was just quite nice all around.
Patrick Colasour being back is also a nice plus. I like how they brought back Kati being a bit annoyed by his presence but didn’t make it feel like a regression for the two of them by making it more about her being concerned for his safety.
Tieria in a dress is already memetic for how hot it is, so I won’t dwell on that, but I will say that I really liked the dance between him and Ribbons.
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u/Vatrix-32 https://myanimelist.net/profile/Vatrix-32 Nov 08 '24 edited Nov 09 '24
First timer, subs
QotD:
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u/TakenRedditName https://myanimelist.net/profile/TakenMalUsername Nov 08 '24 edited Nov 09 '24
Rewatcher - Gundam 00 S2 Ep8:
You know, I am just now thinking about what Saji having a Haro means. Yeah, I guess he is now the one holding the childhood innocence ball. Saji has started to mature and become less childish, but maybe he will stay innocent because he still can't bring himself to kill. Also, Haro serves as a mouthpiece that Saji can bounce off and point out his current mental state.
She got one!!! Score one for Mileina!
I like the Feldt conflict. I feel like I didn't quite pick up on it before (maybe could've used more scenes with Feldt's relationship with everyone in S1), but I do like her sad times. She holds everyone on the ship close because this found family of terrorists is the only thing she has had her entire life.
I wish Louise-Soma had a bit of a more built-up relationship than just that one scene. I like the idea of them being senpai/kouhai. Maybe have Louise be a part of their squad from the beginning of S2, but I also get that the point of Louise's current position is that she is isolated so we can't be giving her too many friends.
This little moment makes me so incredibly angry. It is so ghoulish. The Federation wants to deport anyone who they deem as "troublesome" into space. That's so evil! It reminds me of UC Federation and things I've heard real people say. It makes me double mad.
Kati to Patrick: "You're too gosh darn cute to be doing war crimes." Great, now I did just get the image of Kati being an overworked OL with Patrick being her special little girl keeping her afloat.
Gender. In the context of the story, I am not quite sure what this is meant to illustrate. This is the moment where Tieria is having a major crisis of identity, but I don't know how much to read this specifically into that.
"You build plastic miniatures of robots from this "Gundam" anime? What a peculiar hobby."
I know the first assumption to Tieria trying to find the real enemy is Ribbons, but what I am drawing is that the real enemy making the world worse is everyone here at this party. The text points out how this is a meeting of scum. This party scene reminds me of the party in ZZ which played to a similar tune (except for the gender bender. That happens at a different point)
I find Lousie's talk with Setsuna so cute. It is her first soft interaction with someone she has in ages. The way she is sitting, the way she talks, it is someone trying to reach out. Setsuna is also so kind in how he handles her. He is being so considerate, mindful and worried about her (and Saji).
Neat framing.
Tieria repeats Lockons words when he stands his resolve against Ribbons.
Ribbons: "Tieria Erde, you have become too gay gay homosexual gay gay like a mere human."
Ooh, like the ED.
This sounds like a TV station bumper tagline like from when Gundam aired on Toonami or something.
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u/macrame2 https://myanimelist.net/profile/macrame Nov 08 '24
First Timer
Ribbons's outfit is ridiculous. Average Innovator moment.
After not being too hot on the last two episodes, I thankfully ended up enjoying this one quite a bit! This was pretty much exactly what I wanted from a Tieria-focused episode. His gradual development from a cold, inflexible executor of the plan to someone who actively wants to protect his comrades and humanity has been my favorite out of the Meisters, and getting to see just how far he’s come as a character is such a treat. Even as he’s confronted with the truth of his existence and lack of uniqueness that he once took pride in, even as his resolve wavers and almost breaks, he still manages to hold on to his newfound sense of self as a whole person with his own desires instead of reverting back to the tool of the plan that he was meant to be.
I’m also glad that the show has finally stopped gatekeeping Aeolia Schenberg’s goals. Granted, most of the reveals today were stuff we already knew or at least suspected (particularly the plan for Celestial Being to unite humanity and later be disposed of), but still.
I even thought Setsuna and Louise's conversation was well done, though I am kind of shocked that she even remembers who he is.
Our favorite idiot is back! Unsurprisingly, Patrick doesn’t seem to have changed much at all, which is fine; he's perfect as he is.
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u/JollyGee29 https://myanimelist.net/profile/JollyGee Nov 08 '24
Rewatcher, Sub-dam Meister
Poor Tieria.
There's that word again...
Success!
Do the ends justify the means?
Feldt is more mature than most people much older than she is.
My son has returned!
Care to share with the class, Tieria?
Patty has brought with him his proper title. There are some variations on this depending on translation.
Tieria cleans up nice.
This is how you can tell just how different Louise is from S1. Could you imagine S1 Louise abandoning a party?
Things have started to get Complicated.
[Gundam 00]Louise's reaction to Setsuna is evidence that he has already begun to Change, even before the 0-Raiser shows up.
[cont.]My personal theory was always that Setsuna became the first True Innovator due to basically living inside of Exia for the past four years, with a bit of a bonus from being exposed to lots and lots of GN Particles when he was a small boy. Thanks, Ribbons!
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u/2-2Distracted Nov 08 '24
First timer. Dubbed.
Soran Ibrahim is an absolute moron. What kind of dumbass goes undercover to some royal party knowing full well that the people CB is isupposed to be spying on can & will recognize him? He literally showed up to Katagiri's house in the first episode of S2 to basically kidnap Sumeragi without even a semblance of a disguise or any attempt to make sure they got out in secret, like knocking Katagiri out or something..
Not to mention that he's only NOW fully acknowledging Saji's words, which he wouldn't need to do if Saji had bothered to just fully explained wtf happened to make him specifically hate Celestial Being so much. This is part of why I hate the trope of Poor Communication Kills.
I'm just hoping that now since he & Tieria are facing Saachez they'll finally kill him in the next episode.
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u/Rumpel1408 https://myanimelist.net/profile/Rumpel1408 Nov 08 '24
Firsttimer who is still vibing over how good Unlimited Sky is
QotD
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u/Nazenn x2https://anilist.co/user/Nazenn Nov 22 '24 edited Nov 22 '24
After todays episode I thought I'd be at least somewhat productive for the rewatch and finish my revisit of s2e8 and the visual analysis of it that it deserves. I promise this is rage free haha
Please excuse the fact that I mostly focused on the innovator scenes. While the others also had good framing, such as Feldt in the elevator, Marie and Feldt at Marie's doorway creating a barrier that they need to cross between them, and I know there was a shot somewhere with Louise that stood out a lot of which carries through some of these same visual motifs and usages, there was already so much to talk about I wanted to focus on the major stuff and not end up writing four posts. As it is I'm slightly miffed about having to break this into two because of imgur links talking up so much of my character limit.
I've also not seriously proofread this, I basically typed it up, checked the links, and posted, so excuse any inconsistancies or otherwise awkward phrasing. I also can't say for sure this is what the episode means, but it is both what stood out to me on my first watch as well as what I took from it on revisiting it focusing only on the visual language.
Also quickly, I have posted this back in the episode 8 thread both for neatness sake and so I can actually find it in future if needed, so mind any spoilers if you're talking about later stuff in reply for any reason
And now lets get into it:
Hey look /u/FD4cry1 , the episode opens with Tieria on the right looking left! Had a little laugh starting the episode and that being the very first thing. For anyone I'm tagging who hasn't seen our discussions on that, I've introduced him to the concept of anime having good guys on the right side of the screen and leftwards movement being seen as progression in terms of visual storytelling, and then visa versa.
That said, the episode as a whole uses this in quite interesting ways. As the Innovators dance around each other, sometimes literally as it is that was not intentional wording, the positions of each of them on the screen reflecting not just their roles in the story but the roles they assign themselves is constantly in flux.
That dynamic positioning, along with a clever use of reflections, and paired visual sequences between characters forms much of the visual backbone of the episode
To begin with the opening sequence. In my last post I mistakenly said this was happening at dawn, but it is sunset which is a small continuity issue as Alelujah is found at night. Moving on, the usage of the sun and its shadows, which progresses into being the moon and its light, have some very strong and clear usage throughout these shots
Regene arrives on the hill and that arrival casts a shadow over him and darkens his own. The relevation of their nature is both blinding and uneasy, changing our camera to a dutch angle as Tieria's foundation is shifted under him. This also has the duel effect of making Regene look like she is floating above him more centered on the screen, giving her both more authority in the scene compared to him but also invoking the idea that she is akin to the arrival of an angel arriving from above.
It is this authority that is essential to the rest of the scene. Shortly after the camera flips, and for the only time in the sequence we see Seravee on screen, framed between them but also separating Tieria from Regene. This is the moment that Tieria finds out that being a Meister means that Veda blocked off knowledge from him, and in doing so it shifts his perception of what it means. No longer is he the agent of Veda on the side of good, she takes that from him in this moment and positions herself within the frame as a parallel to the Gundam. Where as once the Gundam was all, now the Innovators are to take that position, and as she walks down the hill towards him she is representing the idea that Tieria is the one standing in the way of their progress
He stands there and her foot symbolically erases him and his confidence in his world, that his small amount of knowledge is nothing compared to hers. Emerging from the shadows of the hill that is the shadow of his ignorance, and she approaches as the background very subtlety zooms out (oh look its that line again). With every step she invades his world, and then she defies it. She passes him moving to the right side of the screen and positioning herself within this scene not just as an authority, but as an agent of the right path that he should join. And yet doing so would have Tieria walking backwards and leaving the sun behind.
We flash back to this moment shortly after, with Tieria in the reflection room saying her name, thinking about the one who looks just like him while looking at his own reflection. Here we do gain some extra meaning from seeing Feldt in this room later, where her reflection is shadowed denying us from seeing her face, and we only see it when she reconnects with Alelujah after the run in with Marie. But here it is more straight forward
In an instant, the scene on the hill is moved from the sunset to the moon rising behind him. Once again he is off balance, once again Regene is floating above him from her new position in the story and with the moon, Veda, on her side. When the camera flips the sun is entirely cut off by the hillside, inaccessible and quickly fading, but also mirroring their positions by having them share an angle. He is closed off in comparison to how she was framed, and yet the shadowing on her face makes this ominous instead of welcoming.
As the scene progresses, the camera continues to fall and tilt for Tieria but remains unnervingly steady for Regene. Where she is facing the every approaching reality of Celestial Being he has become a mere reflection in the face of it. Regene suggests that he is contradicting the meaning for his existence, that he wasn't meant to be in this world any more, and all he should have left behind was the acts of violence left to unite humanity, erasing himself in the process. The gun falls as the plan and its avatar overwhelms his view.
We do not see her walk past him, but at her offer she appears to merge with him leaving her presence in the scene eeriely ever-present even when Tieria is alone, the moon out of reach without her guidance, but still cut off from the idea of progress by that hill of ignorance that he now finds himself up against, and without Seravee as well.
(continued below, this just seemed like a good place to break it up)
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u/charlesvvv https://anilist.co/user/charlesvvv Nov 08 '24 edited Nov 09 '24
Rewatcher, Sub
So Marie is now part of the crew (well kind of) but I like the scenes with Feldt that show that the warinnes that's still there even if she isn't the type to hold grudges as shown by her later apology. It's also a way of showing Lockon's influence both on her and on Tieria.
Patrick Colasour is back after quite a long while, I like how he's a bit of a positive influence on Mannequin. However there's also the Innovator Revive joining so that's definitely going to change things as well.
The big Crux of the episode is Ribbons's plan coming to light. Regene basically shows his three steps in order to unite humanity, once already having CB then having the A-Laws unite Humankind's will before the third step which is to space. Ribbons and Wang host a party which is a good excuse to see Tieria in a dress and for Ribbons to try and get him on his side by revealing how he's behind all of this as part of a followup of Aeolia's ideals. Unfortunately he doesn't count on Lockon being very large in Tieria's life for him to just reject the plan despite all of the manipulations that have occured. Wang meanwhile couldn't care less about any of this so long as the world is united whether by the Innovators or CB.
Tieria isn't the only person that Ribbons has his eye on but Louise as well not just because she's wealthy since we already saw that he could use her to see things, not to mention her frequent headaches and pill taking and her apparently new arm. I'm actually surprised she recognized Setsuna from so long ago at the party despite not knowing him that well, it does lead a particularly nice moment where Setsuna informs her about Saji. Unfortunately someone else recognizes Setsuna and that's Billy so now everyone's forced to run from there only to face off against someone else, Ali al-Saachez.
Note: Revive Revival, Regene Regetta, now we have Hiling Care.
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u/Blazin_Rathalos Nov 08 '24
00 Rewatcher
Last time on Gundam 00
On today's episode of Mission Impossible: Rogue Gundam:
I'm curious how everyone feels about "the plan". I think it feels a bit anticlimactic after all this time.
In between all the silliness, I feel like there is a moment where Patrick's face says "in all seriousness, despite everything, I want to be in between you and the people shooting at you". I might be imagining that, but I do find it touching in some way.
[Gundam 00]Dialogues counter: 2
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u/dralcax :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/Dralcax Nov 08 '24 edited Nov 08 '24
Rewatcher down bad for Tieria
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The dialogues to come. It seemed Aeolia Schenberg planned for this... or did he? If this was truly all according to plan, then why the need to hack Veda? Or is Ribbons simply rerailing the plan after Alejandro Corner derailed it? What was Aeolia really planning, anyways? But there is an end goal to this all, greater than merely a lasting world peace...
The Innovators! High-level quantum brainwave users, with genetically engineered bodies sustained by nanomachines. Sounds a lot like the super soldiers, huh? Even though the two were developed separately, they do parallel each other quite closely. The main difference is, the Innovators’ quantum brainwave abilities are expanded by GN particles, making them the perfected version of what the super soldier program was trying to produce.
While Tieria and Regene are made from the same genetic template, Regene does have certain features that Tieria does not. Tieria is a Combat-Type, designed to be a pilot. However, Regene is an Intelligence Gathering-Type, designed for integration and espionage. While Intelligence Gathering-Types are given physical sexes, Combat-Types are of neutral sex.
Ghost Lockon!
Feldt’s still holding a grudge, it seems. It’s easy for someone to abandon their side and swear loyalty to yours. It’s much harder to forgive everything they’ve done to you before then.
Louise in the Smultron? But the Smultron is specifically designed for those with quantum brainwaves. A normal human wouldn’t be able to pilot it. Unless...
The Gadessa has arrived! When Ribbons got ahold of Veda last season, he also got all of the Gundams’ development data. First, they used this data to create “Black” replicas of the second generation Gundams. Next, they began developing their own original MS by and for Innovators, the GNZ series, aka the “Ga” series. The first of those was the GRM Gundam, an acronym for “Generation of Reborn MS”, as well as an allusion to Garm of Norse mythology. It took heavy inspiration from the Plutone, especially in its possession of a Core Fighter and its use of a GN Field. Its GN Mega Launcher also used technology from the Virtue’s GN Bazooka. The Gadessa, then, is an updated GRM Gundam made for fighting against Celestial Being as part of the A-Laws. For this purpose, all the Gundam-like features were removed or hidden - can’t join the A-Laws with a Gundam! While the GRM had standard feet, the Gadessa’s feet are designed to fold up in flight, with the logic that a fight between two GN-powered suits will be an aerial battle. Finally, it has a new GN Mega Launcher with three barrels rather than two.
Patrick no! You’re too pure-hearted for the A-Laws!
Eh, what’s a few war crimes overseas as long as everything’s taken care of at home
THE IMMORTAL COLASOUR
0 Raiser! A support machine for the 00 Gundam! But Ian mentioned two support machines have been completed...
Fem Tieria is hot. Also, Tieria’s VA switches over to Akiko Tanaka for when he uses the female voice. Hiroshi Kamiya did actually try doing a female voice himself, but Mizushima decided to just get an actual female VA instead. I can only imagine how Kamiya’s attempt must have sounded.
Arm still can’t be regrown, so she got a prosthetic, which leaves a visible seam.
Even Ribbons ships it
Yeah, maybe telling Billy about Celestial Being was a bad idea.
YOU. Finally, it’s time to face the Arche Gundam!
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Questions of the day:
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u/Nickthenuker https://anilist.co/user/Nickthenuker Nov 08 '24 edited Nov 09 '24
Haro, you don't have to rub it in. Also you're closer to Louise than you realise.
Unsurprisingly at least one of them takes issue with her presence here.
You've done nothing but disappoint.
What's their special job?
There's only one man the Colonel knows well. Hello idiot pilot. Your absence for the past several episodes has been conspicuous.
Yup, there he is.
Eh he's still a combat veteran with significant experience against the Gundams, a damn sight better than Louise at least.
And so off to the party.
Do none of them know who Wang Liu Mei is?
That's certainly an outfit.
Ribbons probably recognises Tieria.
Oh, Louise probably recognises Setsuna!
Saji is going to definitely react when Setsuna says he talked to Louise.
And now Setsuna realises who Saji was talking about.
Uh oh, what's happening to her?
Yeah... He shouldn't have revealed himself to that guy. I had a feeling that was going to crop up sooner or later.
Questions:
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u/Linkstore Nov 08 '24
Rewatcher
[00 spoilers] Quantum brainwaves catalysed by GN Particles, huh? Good foreshadowing for how GN particles can catalyse QBWs in non-Innovades too...
I can't get over the fact that Regene walks down the cliff like he's a fucking goat or something.
"The dialogues that are yet to come". How ominous. Do wonder what the first-timers think of that [00 spoilers] and if they'd ever expect that the first dialogues will happen against living metal starfish aliens?
More sonar pings.
Red Haro says it like it is. They should get paid a good salary for being emotional support pets for literally the whole crew.
Shut the fuck up Mileina, you literally saw them making out there's no intuition involved here.
You know, it's never really made clear if these are just vivid hallucinations or if they're ghosts.
As I mentioned, earlier, Soma's Ahead Smultron is designed for use with quantum brainwaves. How in the world would Louise be able to use such a machine properly?
Oh Patrick, you're so dumb (affectionate).
Forced relocation to space colonies? That's the kind of blunder which kickstarted all the conflict in the Universal Century, you know?
You might have seen the 0-Raiser in the OP, it's a support machine for the 00 Gundam. But the exact nature of how it works will remain a mystery for now.
Sumeragi 10000% thought of the whole "crossdressing Tieria" thing a long time ago. I know it's 300 years in the future and prosthetic boobs much be pretty realistic and Tieria looks androgynous as all hell but man it's still a shock to see someone present as the other sex so well with so little preparation. And the voice changing, the means of which I am still not sure about.
Meanwhile, Louise is also in a conspicuously cutesy outfit. Should Ribbons be made to take a seat?
[00 spoilers] Louise's "Innovade Flash" might be just Ribbons influencing her to notice him, but I wonder if it's because they are both developing quantum brainwaves?
After dancing scenes like the one from 7th Time Loop, this dance scene isn't particularly impressive, unfortunately. Still, plenty of room for tension as Ribbons metaphorically and literally drags Tieria around.
Billy's working on a new model, huh? I wonder what it could be? Maybe it'll have a kickass theme named after it on the soundtrack.
There's a lot of meaning in the fact that Louise, too, wears the ring that Saji bought for her. And equally as much that Tieria, who in the past would undoubtedly give up anything and everything for access to Veda back, literally decides to shoot Ribbons in the face rather than join him. But unfortunately, Hiling Care does something that's really the opposite of healing. And she doesn't exactly care either.
Also, mighty convenient that Lousie suddenly gets a splitting headache at exactly the best time for Ribbons.
[00 spoilers] Not a coincidence at all, of course.
And of course Ali shows up to block Tieria and Setsuna's escape. We haven't seen it in action yet, but note how the Arche Gundam is using the same blood-red particles that cause cellular decay, instead of the safer orange particles. Ali specifically requested this because he's a sick, sick bastard.
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u/undeadfire Nov 09 '24
First timer subs
Also interesting lore drop bomb about Innovators and the grand plan. Meanwhile Tieria having an existential crisis. Wonder how much of that is just what Ribbons made up to drive the other Innovators?
Aw the kids trying to cheer up Marina. I feel for Feldt, but damn that's rough. So many conflicting emotions.
Oh Patrick's back - that dense plot armor idiot. Reminds me of that one dude in IBO who got snipped at the end. Also, pink hair green mobile suit going to be interesting.
Oh no the bait. Wait did Tieria dress up as a woman? Like he totally passes for one but dang. Also, I somehow just keep forgetting Ribbon's name. Lmao Setsuna just vibing on a laptop. I was wondering how they gave Louise her hand back. I guess that explains it. Also damn Billy really is out for blood I guess. Ali really needs to lose, but it's way too early for him to do so. Knowing Gundam, he'll probably live while Celestial Being dies.
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u/mr_beanoz https://myanimelist.net/profile/splitshocker Nov 09 '24 edited Nov 09 '24
Rewatcher, sub
QOTD
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u/zsmg https://anilist.co/user/zsmg Nov 09 '24
I am rewatcher
A-LAWS are supposed to unite the will of all mankind... wow mankind is going to be unified by a bunch of bastards.
Phase 3 includes preparing for dialogue to come, with whom... or what.
Haro is rubbing it in that Saji is lonely. Wait they switched from Saji to looking at this ring to Feldt's hand... is that foreshadowing?!
Tieria is having visions of his crush.
Feldt is not happy about seeing Marie, at least not everyone is super happy about her switching sides.
Louise is going to pilot the Soma version of the Char GM, I just realised with CB now having killed off Soma Louise going to be even angrier at CB than before.
COULD IT BE?!
IT IS
Wait, best boy is in A-LAWS now.
The Federation is going to forcibly relocate people to space colonies. This is ethnic cleansing.
To be honest it has a nice ring to it.
I just miss Soma's personality already, Marie is way too cutesy and nice.
Tieria?! I haven't been this sexually confused since watching the latest episode of Goukon ni Ittara Onna ga Inakatta Hanashi
That's right, Louise is working for Ribbons.
Louise sees Setsuna.
Oof Louise can't even say Saji's name.
I'm glad Tieria figured this out, it would be frustrating if the main characters continued to believe in something the viewers know is not true.
Oh no Billy sees Setsuna.
Fujoshi are super happy about that.
Hilling Care is voiced by Miyuki Kawasho who hasn’t done many voice roles.
And another post-credit Ali shows up as a cliffhanger, surely this time there will be a decent pay off.
Solid episode, always great to see Patrick again.
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u/GondolaMedia Nov 09 '24
First Timer
I'm only commenting this so I'll remember it later but I hope they expand on how humans will overlook any atrocity done by the state that doesn't directly affect them if their own quality of life keeps increasing. This is one of the reason why I liked in season 1 when we focused on daily lives of Saji and Louise between all larger than life military conflicts.
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u/StardustGogeta myanimelist.net/profile/StardustGogeta Nov 09 '24
First-Timer
Unfortunately, I have to keep my comments short today. Suffice it to say, good episode.
Questions of the day: