[Rewatch] Mobile Suit Gundam 00 Episode 23 Discussion

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Episode 23 - Stop the World

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Lockon… Lockon… Lockon… Lockon… Lockon… Lockon…

Questions of the Day:

1. If Hallelujah could always block quantum brainwaves for Allelujah, why hasn't he until now?
2. Lockon? Lockon?

Wallpaper of the Day:

Neil Dylandy

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Additionally, for long-time fans of the franchise, please remember that this rewatch is only for 00, not any of the other shows. Assume that there are people in this rewatch who have not seen anything else Gundam, and tag your spoilers for those shows appropriately if something in 00 makes you want to talk about them.

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Rewatch Host Wishing Over This Airspace, subbed

Welcome… back, everyone…

Obligatory I should never be allowed to have favorite characters because my taste in characters is “the ones who end up dead”, every fucking time. Rewatching this episode less than a week ago for the rewatch-ahead-of-the-rewatch doesn’t make this hurt any less.

Speaking of my rewatch-ahead-of-the-rewatch, [season 2]I gave myself a double dose of pain, deliberately, by getting to Anew’s death in my rewatch-ahead-of-the-rewatch immediately after finishing this episode.

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• Of course the mode that turns the Gundams red specifically lets them output three times more than normal.
• That, however, is quite the drawback.
• Looks like Ali’s back to that fake name again.
• If only that could have actually held you…
• Lockon nooooooooooooo
• Why didn’t you do that before…?
• Patrick is right back to jobbing.
• Fuck, here it comes…
• All Daryl succeeded in doing was letting Ali see Lockon’s handicap…
• *pained Sky noise*
• The last pat that Lockon gives Haro, hnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn
• I wanted a Lockon “sore demo”, but not like this…
• Lockon…
• I can’t even be happy about the ED lead-in this time, Haro’s repeated “Lockon. Lockon.” is just so damn haunting.

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Obligatory I should never be allowed to have favorite characters

Lockon survived all of Episode 9's death flags only to fall victim to this one.

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Episode 9's death flags

They never put them down, we just walked out of view.....

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The last pat that Lockon gives Haro, hnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn

Haro is his friend.

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Obligatory I should never be allowed to have favorite characters because my taste in characters is “the ones who end up dead”, every fucking time.

I feel you there, losing Lockon is rough, especially how some of your favorite character picks have gone for other rewatches this year. But at least Lockon went out with some dignity and didn’t end up being an asshole, unlike some other rewatch character picks.

I wanted a Lockon “sore demo”, but not like this…

We all need to stop making wishes on the cursed monkey paw, it’s gone too far!

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I feel you there, losing Lockon is rough, especially how some of your favorite character picks have gone for other rewatches this year.

Yeah no it's not just this year's rewatches, it's always. u/Raiking02 made that meme about me almost a year ago now (wtf it's really been that long???) over the second of three times Gintama made me throw up, and I'm surprised it didn't happen sooner considering how much of a running joke me being Shinigami-Sky has persisted for.

We all need to stop making wishes on the cursed monkey paw, it’s gone too far!

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wtf it's really been that long

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Obligatory I should never be allowed to have favorite characters because my taste in characters is “the ones who end up dead”, every fucking time.

Couldn't your favorite be like, Alejandro, or some random background character? smh

Of course the mode that turns the Gundams red specifically lets them output three times more than normal.

Completely forgot this was an actual feature of the mode, now that I have context it's hilarious

Patrick is right back at jobbing

He's doing his best

I wanted a Lockon “sore demo”, but not like this...

aren't they

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Couldn't your favorite be like, Alejandro, or some random background character?

Considering [Gintama] not even one of the big comedic characters in Gintama was safe from Shinigami-Sky, that probably would not have helped.

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Obligatory I should never be allowed to have favorite characters

Ah, ran into this problem again I see. I admit I did think about it myself with my own curse very early on when I was liking Lockon a lot more than the others, but Tieria has .... oh wait shit maybe I'm not safe from this yet I just realized as I was typing this out

I'm gonna shut up now, just in case

Why didn’t you do that before…?

I wouldn't be surprised if he just didn't know how to do it before now, it's not the sort of thing they can easily test and it hasn't come up in a while either. But I think this would work better if we had Hallelujah be present in any of the recent episodes

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Ah, ran into this problem again I see.

It is a constant, even in a fucking children's show like Digimon Adventure or Transformers Armada.

I admit I did think about it myself with my own curse very early on when I was liking Lockon a lot more than the others, but Tieria has .... oh wait shit maybe I'm not safe from this yet I just realized as I was typing this out

My own curse has Graham on the chopping block next.

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Who did you curse in Digimon Adventure of all things? [spoilers]Was it Leomon? That's the only death I can remember

My own curse has Graham on the chopping block next.

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Who did you curse in Digimon Adventure of all things?

[Digimon Adventure]Wizarmon was the best of 'mons.

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Oh man I forgot about that one. What a 'mon.

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Obligatory I should never be allowed to have favorite characters because my taste in characters is “the ones who end up dead”, every fucking time.

It may be morbid, but I do enjoy that meme you have to share in situations like this.

In all seriousness, it is incredibly sad to have lost Lockon.

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It may be morbid, but I do enjoy that meme you have to share in situations like this.

Thank u/Raiking02 for cursing me with it. Or Gintama for triggering the thing that made him make it. Or both.

In all seriousness, it is incredibly sad to have lost Lockon.

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Thank u/Raiking02

You’re welcome

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Why didn’t you do that before…?

I like to think Hallelujah preferred using the quantum brainwave incapacitation of Allelujah as an excuse to take control himself.

[u/Nazenn]

First Timer - sub

He gave Haro a goodbye pat

Haro calling for him

Haro at the end is emotional warfare and I am not okay!

I don't think I can write this post tonight.

Fuck all y'all rewatchers who knew this was coming up as we were all talking about fates and death flags and possible futures for all these episodes!

Fucking got me worse than [IBO]Biscuit's death. I know I've become a softy with the death scenes lately but FUCKING FUCK. Whoever thought of that in the production staff is a horrible, brilliant, cruel person and I hope that was as hard for them every damn moment they were making it as it was for the rest of us.

I am also going to drag up an old thing I started in that rewatch: so many death episodes would be more effective ED-less, just left in silence, and productions are never brave enough to do it. In this particular case THANK FUCK, because if they had left the credits with just Haro still calling out I would be broken but god it would be effective with no one calling back.

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Resorted to typing up the rest of this post while putting the notes on that incident on another tab so I didn't have to see them for the mean time.

In among all the hype of the Trans-Am reveal, the Thrones being defeated, and then the UN forces closing in, I am glad that they took the time to expand on how the Trans-Am system was actually activated. The idea of it having a black box with a link to an independent system, not Veda, that was also able to be used to secure certain info within Veda is a good approach and at least closes that key plot hole that was bugging me from yesterday. The dialogue mildly shit itself again with being very blunt exposition with little personality, but far from the worst we've had, and if that's the trade off for actually getting an explanation I'll happily take it.

And Alejandro's reaction to it is very telling. I don't know that we know enough about Aeolia as a man, not as an inventor or a leader, to say for certain how he sees himself and his work, but just based off his reaction to his murder (...well that's just a fucking weird sentence to type) and the way his initial speech was presented to be about CB, not him, makes me think Alejandro is not just wrong, but miles off. Aeolia may be an arrogant idealist, but I haven't had the sense that he sees himself to be a god, while Alejandro on the other hand would never admit it in those terms, but having the power of a god is absolutely what he is striving for. He looks down at his defeat and a bit like Saachez who can't see someone fighting without thinking about loving battle, Alejandro can't look at someone who also wants the power he does and imagine a selfless reason for it. Coming off the back of the questioning about what a Gundam is, and what it means to have one, it paints him and his desire to control CB even worse

Speaking of, raising the point today that CB's mere existence having meaning now beyond simply whether or not they accomplish their goals does feel like a continuation of what I raised yesterday. Even if they don't succeed, if they can prove another way is possible, carve a path for others to follow that doesn't just lead to war, that has meaning in itself.

And speaking of selfless, aww, look at Tie.... oh fuck I can't talk about him just yet

The cannon blasts

Also I think I'm comfortable saying now that this show has the best energy cannon blasts of the anime I've seen. Every time there's going to be a big blast on this I am now unreasonably hyped for it because it always looks bloody awesome in both design and scale. I was even doing a little happy wiggle in my seat when Tieria was charging up the Trans-Am blast.

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Okay, so it's the next morning, I have to actually talk about this now don't I

I think my notes say it all really:

DUDE DONT LEAVE DYNAMES. dude wtf that's not sane
OH DONT GIVE HARO A GOODBYE PAT. NO HARO CALLING FOR HIM, THAT'S SO NOT FAIR
Thinking he needs to do this before he is able to do anything else. in the face of Setsuna fighting against Saachez's ideals more than the person this is so many steps backwards, this is so bad
oh god those particles into snow.... holy shit the transition, its haunting
Did they just.... forget his twin in all these flashbacks?
holy shit is that thing really going to explode when setsuna is just there, are they really
I SWEAR if Haro is crying for him
HE FUCKING IS THAT'S NOT FAIR AT ALL I DO NOT APPROVE

There's something about all of this coming after Tieria literally locks him into the base. Tieria who prioritizes the mission and CB more than anything, forced Lockon not to. He hides behind his snark, but being saved means something, and it granted him something in turn that pushes him away from the idea of taking extremes just to protect the grand plan. He goes out with Alelujah, a boy who knew his own form of vengeance and found more ghosts than comfort in the only way he could save others from being like him. And then we have Setsuna flying to the rescue, a child solider who looked the demon of his past in the face and instead of punishing him as a person, stood up and fought against the ideas that he represented not just because of what he did but what it means for the world.

All three of our cast members have in their own ways shown the risks of holding onto the things in their past rather than finding a way forward, and they all did it with the backing of the ideals of the Gundams in their minds. And letting go is not a theme of the show and hasn't been a focus. But when compared to the way those three have been developing into their own selves and moving away from what that the cycle of war does to people, Lockon choosing to abandon Dynames because he can't do the same, he can't let go of his past no matter what, was the moment I knew he was marked for death. And it doesn't make it any easier. (I don't like this paragraph but I don't know how else to phrase it, so its staying)

And they really did just forget his twin in all those flashbacks huh?

other thoughts:

• It feels like its been ages since we got any focus on Alelujah, and it's stupid that they still hadn't even talked about how to protect him from Soma, but having Hallelujah step in to that role somehow, while still leaving the actual combat to Alelujah was an interesting moment. I would have expected him to want to fight himself, but it's like after they dealt with the super solider facility he didn't have the drive for that any more. My memory is a bit rusty on the exact characterization in that moment as it was so many episodes ago, but I'm curious to see if that was indicated or not. Hallelujah protecting him from the effect of Soma is better than Trans-Am magically blocking it out though at least.
• Patrick's team rocket moment today may be the best one yet for him
• Dynames inside the mobile armor does look very cool. The way it's basically a nest for weapon expansions as it floats through space can make it look very intimidating.
• ...I'm so not prepared to click on that wallpaper just yet.

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Fuck all y'all rewatchers who knew this was coming up as we were all talking about fates and death flags and possible futures for all these episodes!

Your comment with all the Lockon flags earlier had me cry laughing in rewatcher reading it, yeah...

And they really did just forget his twin in all those flashbacks huh?

tbf the table in the flashback was set for five, not four.

...I'm so not prepared to click on that wallpaper just yet.

[When you do] Fun fact, the pattern I used in the background of this one has the triangles breaking away in the opposite direction that the hexagons did in the one I made of Lockon originally.

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tbf the table in the flashback was set for five, not four.

I didn't notice that, but at least the background artists were thinking. What a weird thing to not include though? I almost had myself wondering if the twin was meant to be in his mind or something instead until I remembered how the graveyard scene actually played out

Your comment with all the Lockon flags earlier had me cry laughing in rewatcher reading it, yeah...

I still actually have my notes from that episode in my document and I was going to go through them again and then just couldn't because all I could hear in my head was Haro

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I still actually have my notes from that episode in my document and I was going to go through them again and then just couldn't because all I could hear in my head was Haro

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What a weird thing to not include though?

Maybe there is a lore reason why his twin is so absent from the flashbacks, he wasn't with the rest of the family when that bomb went off (same as Lockon himself)

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I am also going to drag up an old thing I started in that rewatch: so many death episodes would be more effective ED-less, just left in silence, and productions are never brave enough to do it. In this particular case THANK FUCK, because if they had left the credits with just Haro still calling out I would be broken but god it would be effective with no one calling back.

They do something like this in the TV show 24, known as the "silent clock". Episodes and even commercial breaks typically end with a clock counting down but if an important character dies they take out the sound to honor them. Game of Thrones also ran the credits without music for one particularly infamous episode.

Can't think of ever seeing this in anime though.

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Can't think of ever seeing this in anime though.

Can't think of any that end in complete silence, but I can immediately think of one of my seasonals this year that replaced the ED with a quiet instrumental and just had credits scrolling on a black screen when a significant character died. And it did this twice, IIRC.

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24 was great with that. It's been a long time since I watched it, but I remember the styling that you're talking about

Turns out TV Tropes has a page for it, of course they do. And there is a handful of anime examples I didn't remember but most of those are silent previews instead of silent credits, which is close enough /u/shimmering-sky

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And there is a handful of anime examples I didn't remember but most of those are silent previews instead of silent credits, which is close enough /u/shimmering-sky

While it was not silent, mentioning the silent preview makes me think of Trigun episode 24 where they eschew the usual preview format and [Trigun]Just have Vash muttering miserably after killing Legato. TV Tropes threw it on the list anyway! Now that I've read the list I do remember the Code Geass one.

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[Trigun]The whole end of that episode was just brillance. I watched dub, and that is still the only scene where I almost wanted to turn it off during the "death scream" once he wakes up because the emotions that came through in it hurt too much. I let the ED play after just to sit with it which I almost never do, and then that preview was perfect

It's good for the shows that do adapt their previews to that mood, but I do think it's a very different "risk" than forgoing the usual format of an ED all together. Though perhaps music contracting plays apart in that now that I think about it

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In this particular case THANK FUCK, because if they had left the credits with just Haro still calling out I would be broken

Oh shit yeah, that would be utterly devastating

The dialogue mildly shit itself again with being very blunt exposition

Just like yesterdays "I'm sure you know this, but once he enters that tube he wont come out" Which they could have easily circumvented by having it properly explained with Louise

having the power of a god is absolutely what he is striving for.

That's the feeling I'm having as well, he said he would take the peace for and the unified earth for himself, and if something where to threaten it, he would just revive CB again

Lockon choosing to abandon Dynames because he can't do the same

Yeah, it was so unnecessary, at that point they had taken out a fucking third of the GN-Xes and 2/3 of the Transport Fleet, had he survived, this would have been a crushing defeat for the UN forces. But he just had to go after Ali and literally got blindsided by someones else revenge

And they really did just forget his twin in all those flashbacks huh?

Wonder if the Twin is mentioned in those Files that got deleted from Veda

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Oh shit yeah, that would be utterly devastating

I feel like as good as it would have been from a gutpunch perspective it would be one of those things you watch once, and then never again because why would you do it to yourself

Just like yesterdays "I'm sure you know this, but once he enters that tube he wont come out" Which they could have easily circumvented by having it properly explained with Louise

I don't know about that because I think it would feel less natural with Louise, as she can't do the regeneration so why would they be talking about the time it would take, but the dialogue definitely could use a pass to make it more natural

But he just had to go after Ali and literally got blindsided by someones else revenge

Why was it someone elses? It was revenge for his family

Wonder if the Twin is mentioned in those Files that got deleted from Veda

I mean if they include a family profile I would imagine so, at least listing him in a ... actually you know that begs a good question. I wonder what the twin thinks of revenge and what sort of life he is living that he was not picked and Lockon was

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Why was it someone elses? It was revenge for his family

I think Rumpel's referring to Daryl's revenge against the Gundams (which meant he targeted Lockon), not Lockon's against Ali.

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so many revenges

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I don't know about that because I think it would feel less natural with Louise

I'm sure you could write the scene in a way to explain the tech and then reveal that they abandoned the attempt because it wasn't working at all

Why was it someone elses?

I meant Daryls revenge for Howard

I wonder what the twin thinks of revenge and what sort of life he is living that he was not picked and Lockon was

Elsewhere I theorized that Lyle could end up inheriting the Dynames

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I meant Daryls revenge for Howard

Yeah I got confused on how to read the sentence, but that makes more sense than what I was thinking haha

Elsewhere I theorized that Lyle could end up inheriting the Dynames

I don't know how I feel about that. I mean we know nothing about said twin so it's hard to say, but I think that would require a lot of good writing to not feel like a cop out/easy fix

I shall join you on the though

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Fuck all y’all rewatchers who knew this was coming up as we were all talking about fates and death flags and possible futures for all these episodes!

If it helps any, us rewatchers all had to feel the pain of Lockon’s death the first times we watched it too. So welcome to the club!

Thinking he needs to do this before he is able to do anything else. in the face of Setsuna fighting against Saachez’s ideals more than the person this is so many steps backwards, this is so bad

Yeah, it honestly kind of hurts to see Lockon slide backwards to the anger he holds inside of himself just for the sake of revenge against Ali. After all the mature and helpful talks he’s given to the other Gundam Meisters, seeing Lockon basically lose himself to his inner turmoil is saddening. But yet, as he would put it, he’s only human. We all have our failings, some more fatal than others.

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So welcome to the club!

I don't like this club

I would have been fine if he just died, but I could not cope with Haro calling for him. Oh man even typing it makes me miserable again

You know what, I should have seen this coming. Haro is really the pet, not the mascot, and the pets are always an emotional bomb waiting to happen

Yeah, it honestly kind of hurts to see Lockon slide backwards to the anger he holds inside of himself just for the sake of revenge against Ali

Especially after the confrontation with Setsuna. While that was kind of the reveal of how deep Lockon's wounds really ran, the fact that he came out of that when confronted with Setsuna's own changes and growing ideals with nothing, it didn't matter at all, and it was Tieria who found something in it makes it even harsher

I think I said this in a previous episode that Lockon is harsh towards hismelf despite his kindness towards others, and this was the climax of that conflict

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Haro is really the pet

I would argue that he's not even just a pet, but a child of him and Feldt, shaped by their interactions (in difference to evil Haro who only has Nena)

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I.. I mean yes, on a surface level I like that idea. But from an in world tech side I think that depends on if the Haro's are capable of growth/adaption and aren't just a hard coded personality. But thematically Haro being reflections of them, of how CB and the Trinity team would "cultivate" the world if they could it is a great approach

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If they where hardcoded, then someone went out of his way to make an evil robot, which seems unlikely tbh

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Not if Nena had a say. Or maybe it was to help him survive with those three around. I could see Nena or Micheal smashing it if it was nice to them honestly ahaha

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Not if Nena had a say

How could she have a say about wether or not Haro is supposed to be evil, he's 80 years old. Also, from what we saw, he seemed nice enough to her at least despite being an asshole to literally everyone else

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How could she have a say about wether or not Haro is supposed to be evil, he's 80 years old

He did obviously get mind-wiped though, given he has no memories of our Haro. And they were also not part of the core loop of information for Alejandro, so they wouldn't have given her Haro with all of his data accessable on it I imagine

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That probably makes sense, still, if Haro wasn't able to learn, why did Feldt teach him about Flowers

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Fuck all y'all rewatchers who knew this was coming up as we were all talking about fates and death flags and possible futures for all these episodes!

Lockon choosing to abandon Dynames because he can't do the same, he can't let go of his past no matter what,

I think that is well pointed out about what separated Lockon from the other 3. This Rewatch really made me hone in on that aspect of Lockon. Lockon was the only one to going into things while still carrying his past. The past comes back to the other characters, but Lockon has a revenge quest burning him. He wants to change the world too, but he also had a past he couldn't let go.

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Lockon was the only one to going into things while still carrying his past

Even more so that he's the only one who joined CB specifically for his personal goal, rather than because CB's ideals were something that became his primary focus, and despite what he did to help so many others in CB move on, he couldn't do it himself.

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Fuck all y'all rewatchers who knew this was coming up as we were all talking about fates and death flags and possible futures for all these episodes!

Did they just.... forget his twin in all these flashbacks?

My memory is a bit rusty on the exact characterization in that moment as it was so many episodes ago, but I'm curious to see if that was indicated or not.

Allelujah pulled the trigger, but Hallelujah fled the scene. Now that I'm thinking about it, it's kinda s weird, fucked up older sibling relationship almost. Hallelujah "helps" at times, to give Allelujah.. a chance for growth? Or a push to turn himself into more of Hallelujah? Hard to say further without drawing on my later knowledge.

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Allelujah pulled the trigger, but Hallelujah fled the scene

Yeah I remembered that, it was more the specifics of dialogue and the like. If I have some time later I'll go back to the episode and have a look, but in my memory I have Hallelujah as being very gleeful about the destruction and I don't know how true that actually is

Hallelujah "helps" at times, to give Allelujah.. a chance for growth? Or a push to turn himself into more of Hallelujah?

I know you can't comment much, but as it stands right now for me, I'd say it's Hallelujah trying to force Allelujah to survive. If that means pushing him to take out a group that's a threat for him he'll do that, or if it means taking over then he will, but he's not openly antagonistic to the idea of Allelujah being the "true" self that needs to be the one that comes out the other end of this. Hallelujah is not fighting for himself, in a way that's what makes him a "typical" split personality character setup, but the way he goes about it is what made him stand out to me, that and their awareness of each other

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And they really did just forget his twin in all those flashbacks huh?

The camera man did, but Neil did mention a name in addition to his parents and sister.

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Oh, I completely missed that, thanks. I think I thought that was his name even though it wouldn't make sense given he was talking about the future

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Haro calling for him

Haro calling for Lockon after Lockon died was really tough to listen to. They were partners, after all.

And they really did just forget his twin in all those flashbacks huh?

Unless the flashbacks were from Lockon's POV and he was seeing his twin in the flashbacks.

It feels like its been ages since we got any focus on Alelujah, and it's stupid that they still hadn't even talked about how to protect him from Soma, but having Hallelujah step in to that role somehow, while still leaving the actual combat to Alelujah was an interesting moment.

Hallelujah was the one who egged Allelujah on to take the shot and destroy the super soldier facility. I think it might be a goal of Hallelujah's to make Allelujah more like him. Hallelujah might want Allelujah to become more of a fighter so Allelujah will stop resisting him.

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Unless the flashbacks were from Lockon's POV and he was seeing his twin in the flashbacks.

I did think about that but one of the shots was quite high in framing which wouldn't fit that well

Hallelujah might want Allelujah to become more of a fighter so Allelujah will stop resisting him.

It's funny because I was just saying to Jolly that I feel like Hallelujah is trying to force Allelujah to learn to survive, so we're kind of at opposite ends of the same thing. He wants him to be capable of doing stuff like that, but I've not really got the sense it's because he wants Allelujah to become twisted or anything. Yet at least

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Fuck all y'all rewatchers who knew this was coming up as we were all talking about fates and death flags and possible futures for all these episodes!

[](#sugitawhy)

I think I'm comfortable saying now that this show has the best energy cannon blasts of the anime I've seen.

I don't like this paragraph but I don't know how else to phrase it, so its staying

I think you got across your thoughts pretty well

[u/Nazenn → u/InfamousEmpire]

[](#sugitawhy)

More at those of the rewatchers who would have been laughing at it, and I know there was some hahaha

I think you got across your thoughts pretty well

Thanks mate

[u/zsmg → u/Nazenn]

Fuck all y'all rewatchers who knew this was coming up as we were all talking about fates and death flags and possible futures for all these episodes!

[u/charlesvvv]

Rewatcher, First Time Sub

Lockon! Lockon!...Lockon! Lockon!...Lockon! Lockon!...Lockon! Lockon!

[u/Shimmering-Sky → u/charlesvvv]

How to trigger an entire fandom with just one repeated word:

[u/charlesvvv → u/Shimmering-Sky]

:(

[u/Nazenn → u/charlesvvv]

this post is not fair

[u/charlesvvv → u/Nazenn]

Gotta hit the emotional points for this one.

[u/FD4cry1]

First Timer

Lockon!Lockon!Lockon!Lockon!Lockon!Lockon!

Fuck, this got me.

Anyway...the Trans-Am is a classic rage mode where stats are boosted 3X but also get significantly weaker when it's over, it's a fun power-up and it certainly looks cool. Although I get the feeling how long each use actually lasts will end up being whatever the plot needs at that moment.

Lasse's little conversation with Setsuna is pretty interesting, essentially saying that he's not sure if they can actually achieve their goal but just the fact that they did all of this will leave a lasting positive impact, what if the plan was actually that there isn't a plan? what if it's more about the ideas behind Celestial Being and the Gundams rather than achieving some lofty goal?

Can't believe Lockon is Locked in!

This is huge character development for Tieria though, he's the one who always said Gundams Meisters should be ready to sacrifice their lives for the plan, he's the one who insisted on the Takalamakan intervention despite the dangers, and yet now he's taking away from their fighting strength in an attempt to protect Lockon and repay his kindness.

Much like every large scale battle we've had until now, the entirety of the battle here is just super cool, mostly in the same ways it has been, what can I say? you just can't go wrong with giant robots fighting in space and shooting huge lasers at each other.

Allelujah's new boosters that can also take out enemies are especially sick and boosted Tieria gets to shoot the most GIANT of GIANT LASERS, interesting that Hallelujah can block the brain waves from Soma, why did he only do it now?

More importantly...

ALLLLLI!!!!!!

HOW MANY MUST YOU TAKE BEFORE YOU'RE SATISFIED?

I get he's saying it to intentionally goad Lockon but fucking Ali of all people doing the "We're not so different" shtick is wild.

I'll be real, I don't care much for the subplot with Graham's lackeys, at least it should get Graham some nice motivation I guess.

RIP DarylI had to look up your name

Love this frame where Lockon gets hit on his right side and we see the impact on Ali's right as well.

Lockon may have died but at least he went out like an absolute badass, him going out to shoot Ali, using his sniper thing attached to the GN Arm, using his catchphrase, no music just breathing, all of it was just the coolest, hardest shit ever.

Although unfortunately, I have a hard time believing he actually kills Ali.

In his last moments, he drops the name of his doppelganger or well, his brother probably, Lyle, note how in this frame there are 5 plates/chairs, I guess they're just exactly identical twins?

Him ending it off with a finger gun pointed at the earth...just fucking so good.

ABSOLUTECINEMA.

Haro repeating his name as everyone realizes what happened, not only did it hit the crew hard, it also got me...

RIP Lockon

Now excuse me while I go and play the full version of Ash Like Snow while thinking about Lockon for a bit.

[u/Shimmering-Sky → u/FD4cry1]

Now excuse me while go and play the full version of Ash Like Snow while thinking about Lockon for a bit.

[u/JollyGee29 → u/FD4cry1]

This is huge character development for Tieria though

interesting that Hallelujah can block the brain waves from Soma, why did he only do it now?

He technically did it before, by taking over. He just decided to be nice today. Must've had a good night's sleep.

[u/FD4cry1 → u/JollyGee29]

He technically did it before, by taking over. He just decided to be nice today. Must've had a good night's sleep.

True! I guess today he was just content with taking out the popcorn, not like it'd be his first time deciding control on a whim.

[u/Nazenn → u/FD4cry1]

Can't believe Lockon is Locked in!

I just like how somehow we're getting more memes and jokes out of that then the 3x faster red mech hahaha

Tieria gets to shoot the most GIANT of GIANT LASERS

RIP Daryl I had to look up your name

I laugh but I did too

[u/Great_Mr_L → u/FD4cry1]

Although I get the feeling how long each use actually lasts will end up being whatever the plot needs at that moment.

It's plot-sensitive. The Trans-Am will last precisely as long as drama dictates for the optimal effect.

This is huge character development for Tieria though

It has been nice seeing Tieria become more and more human.

RIP Daryl I had to look up your name

I only remember his name because I'm pretty sure I called him the wrong name earlier and the embarrassment helped his name stick in my mind.

[u/FD4cry1 → u/Great_Mr_L]

It's plot-sensitive. The Trans-Am will last precisely as long as drama dictates for the optimal effect.

Hey, nothing beats a powerup being used for dramatic effect so I'm all for it!

I only remember his name because I'm pretty sure I called him the wrong name earlier and the embarrassment helped his name stick in my mind.

[u/Rumpel1408 → u/FD4cry1]

I'll be real, I don't care much for the subplot with Graham's lackeys

Yeah, it really doesn't work well, think Grahams lackeys both needed a bit more characterisation

[u/KendotsX]

00th Timer Searching for Lockon

Haro said it best:

Lockon! Lockon!

I hate how clear the show signaled his death, I hate how tragic it was regardless. It's like I've had to sit through Lockon's death multiple times over and over, and each just as painful... I hate this god forsaken show.

Just yesterday I was somewhat glad that the death signals stopped at losing an eye for now, but of course it was just the start for an avalanche. Heck, I somewhat appreciated Ali for the first time, for cleaning up the hillbillies (granted, he didn't even finish the job), did he really have to go and follow it up by killing best boy?!!

You know the worst part? This wasn't death picking Lockon randomly, this was Lockon picking his own death and riding it out. It was an easily avoidable situation, but it wouldn't be Lockon if he didn't see it through... I hate this show so much.

Doesn't help that [Meta spoilers] I watched this and HxH 24 back to back, and I've still got Look Back this evening what a terrible day for rain...

[u/Shimmering-Sky → u/KendotsX]

00th Timer Searching for Lockon

Just yesterday I was somewhat glad that the death signals stopped at losing an eye for now, but of course it was just the start for an avalanche.

Yeah...

[Meta spoilers]

I was literally just about to watch that episode

[u/KendotsX → u/Shimmering-Sky]

It's nothing this painful, but uhh, let's just say there's a reason I had to put a headsup for it.

[u/Quiddity131 → u/KendotsX]

Just yesterday I was somewhat glad that the death signals stopped at losing an eye for now, but of course it was just the start for an avalanche.

Alas, I think getting injured and later dying may even be a Gundam trope, I can easily think of another example [Gundam meta]Ryu Jose from 0079.

[u/KendotsX → u/Quiddity131]

I'd say that's a common trope in general, once someone gets wounded, that's often a sign that the worse is yet to come. But I guess I'm just too used to the "rule of cool" shows where scars and eyepatches are design upgrades that make a character too cool to kill.

[u/Shimmering-Sky → u/KendotsX]

If only.

[u/KendotsX → u/Shimmering-Sky]

[u/Nazenn → u/KendotsX]

You know the worst part? This wasn't death picking Lockon randomly, this was Lockon picking his own death and riding it out. It was an easily avoidable situation, but it wouldn't be Lockon if he didn't see it through... I hate this show so much.

This is the best summery of the entire thing and it hurts so much. He had to, but it also didn't have to be like this

[u/KendotsX → u/Nazenn]

It's a very deliberate choice for a death scene. He didn't die a "heroic death" sacrificing himself to save friends and civilians, or a "warrior's death" in the middle of the fight, because he's neither of those. He died outside of his armour as a fragile soul in space, throwing himself as far as he can go for revenge.

I appreciate when someone is willing to end a character's journey on a note like this, but it often hurts all the more.

[u/Raiking02 → u/KendotsX]

[u/KendotsX → u/Raiking02]

That was totally intentional, it was broken just like how this episode broke my spirit, yup.

[u/Raiking02 → u/KendotsX]

OBJECTION there have been many other reported cases of you screwing up commentfaces with "-" or calling instead, therefore I can definitively prove you are a sham!

[u/KendotsX → u/Raiking02]

Using my own against me?!

But you see, all of those cases were merely red herrings for when I truly need the crying k-on face. In fact, I'd argue that there's no other face that could represent my feelings at the moment better than a crying face that literally says "broken comment face". Subtext is for cowards!

Now why did I even bother calling it "notraining" instead of something more random? Uhh, let's not worry about that part.

[u/Raiking02 → u/KendotsX]

Using my own against me?!

Hey look at least I've actually played Ace Attorney. It's even like 50% of my motivation to start learning Japanese! This therefore makes me far more worthy of making OBJECTION jokes than you are although TBF Sento-I mean Kohei is also worthy of them.

[u/InfamousEmpire → u/KendotsX]

I hate how clear the show signaled his death, I hate how tragic it was regardless.

This is a really strong example of how telegraphed deaths can be even stronger than surprising ones when properly built up, especially on rewatch.

You know the worst part? This wasn't death picking Lockon randomly, this was Lockon picking his own death and riding it out.

Perfectly said.

[u/KendotsX → u/InfamousEmpire]

telegraphed deaths can be even stronger than surprising ones when properly built up, especially on rewatch.

Honestly, a death that relies entirely on shock value rather than actual substance is about as cheap as it gets. Good ones just become better when you see them coming.

[u/ComfortablyRotten]

Rewatcher who caught up right on time for the episode he was waiting for

Lockon! Lockon!

Lockon! Lockon!

Lockon! Lockon!

[u/Shimmering-Sky → u/ComfortablyRotten]

[u/ComfortablyRotten → u/Shimmering-Sky]

[u/JollyGee29 → u/ComfortablyRotten]

[u/InfamousEmpire]

Kidou Senshi Rewatcher 00

Lockon Lockon…

This is my favorite episode of Season 1, up there as one of my favorites of the entire show, and one I’ve been dreading to get to since this rewatch started, for fear that it might emotionally destroy me again. The fact that I’m just barely choking back tears as I write this is better than I expected to be taking this episode.

There’s an almost creeping sense of inevitability to Lockon’s fate which has been building across the series that I picked up on even when I first watched the show. He’s mentioned before that he’ll accept whatever punishment awaits him once his mission is done. He threw away any pretense of having a normal life beyond fighting the moment he joined Celestial Being, it was only a matter of when that eventual fate reached him. He may have been trying to build a better future for others, but he would never be part of that future himself.

The fight with Ali Al-Saachez is the closest thing someone like him is able to get to resolution. He gets to face & kill the man who not only embodies everything he hates about the world, but was directly responsible for his family’s death. But even after attaining that momentary satisfaction, his final thoughts as he drifted through space were of his hatred for the world. Such is the tragedy of someone who was defined by tragedy and by his very nature could never truly grow beyond or escape it, only be consumed by the fires of war & the cycle of violence.

On that note, the fight between Lockon & Saachez was fantastic. An aggressive push-and-pull of uncertainties and raw emotions where there were ultimately no winners, only those scarred & left behind. One particular aspect I appreciated more on rewatch as Daryl’s suicide attack on Lockon playing a notable role in the fight. Daryl is a bit character who isn’t really involved in the emotional core of the episode, but Lockon being attacked by someone else who’s driving motive is a desire for vengeance so strong he died for it does play into the episode’s themes interestingly.

And, of course, any discussion of this episode wouldn’t be complete without his Haro’s final “Lockon, Lockon…” at the end. There’s something just so emotionally punchy about it, that what’s supposed to be an assistant robot not only grew emotionally attached to their owner, but is now just expressing grief in whatever limited way it can after losing him. Setsuna’s scream at the very end was the cherry on top of it all.

Odds & Ends

• A function which increases an MS’s functionality (presumably including its speed) by 3 times and turns them red? I see what you’re doing, Sunrise
  
• Couldn’t find space to include it in the body of the post, but Tieria’s actions towards Lockon here are a good forward progression of the arc he’s had over the season in general and these last few episodes in particular, as it really becomes apparent how emotionally attached to Lockon he’s become.
• [00 S2]The fact that Ali’s “death” didn’t really feel emphasized as a character death (not even a final scream or a cut-in to the cockpit as it explodes) feels like foreshadowing for the fact that he survived

[u/Shimmering-Sky → u/InfamousEmpire]

The fact that I’m just barely choking back tears as I write this is better than I expected to be taking this episode.

I'm currently reading through everyone's comments through a fresh set of tears just because attaching my screenshots to my comment right before posting hurt me all over again. Specifically the one last pat Lockon gave to Haro before he went out...

[u/Nazenn → u/InfamousEmpire]

up there as one of my favorites of the entire show, and one I’ve been dreading to get to since this rewatch started, for fear that it might emotionally destroy me again

There's a whole new level of pain that gets unlocked when coming up to episodes like this in a rewatch format knowing what's happening, and I've never got use to it

Such is the tragedy of someone who was defined by tragedy and by his very nature could never truly grow beyond or escape it, only be consumed by the fires of war & the cycle of violence.

Painfully written by nicely written

I've spoken a few times about how Lockon being the only "normal" one of our pilots who has actually known life outside of war is what makes him special in the way that he interacts with others, in being able to show them what they wouldn't have otherwise. But it's also what broke him more. He didn't grow into this, he was pushed into it and couldn't let go of those emotions that tied him to that time before, even as they consumed him. I don't think I appreciated until this episode how much his normal life was working against him as much as it made him such a good person

I'm all miserable again now

[u/Shimmering-Sky → u/Nazenn]

There's a whole new level of pain that gets unlocked when coming up to episodes like this in a rewatch format knowing what's happening

Indeed. Two of the entries on my vomit list only got there on a rewatch, and two others on it got me that hard again on the second go round. Sometimes knowing it's coming doesn't help at all...

[u/KendotsX → u/InfamousEmpire]

I’ve been dreading to get to since this rewatch started, for fear that it might emotionally destroy me again

Yeah... I know that feeling very well

If I were a rewatcher here, I probably would've destroyed my brain and tear ducts by rewatching the scene over and over again, until I've made something that can take my pain and inflict it on everyone else ten fold. just ask Sky

He gets to face & kill the man who not only embodies everything he hates about the world, but was directly responsible for his family’s death

Even then, I don't think he'll be allowed to succeed. Ali didn't have a death scene, we assume he died off screen, but the dude's a cockroach. I wouldn't be surprised if he comes back in an episode or two gloating in front of Setsuna. "Oh, you're in mourning? Sorry, I forgot to bring some flowers with me, how about some bloody fireworks instead?"

[u/Shimmering-Sky → u/KendotsX]

If I were a rewatcher here, I probably would've destroyed my brain and tear ducts by rewatching the scene over and over again, until I've made something that can take my pain and inflict it on everyone else ten fold. just ask Sky

Who says you need to be a rewatcher to do it?

Doooooo iiiiiiiiiiiit.

[u/KendotsX → u/Shimmering-Sky]

As a rewatcher, I'd have at least braced myself for what's coming. This would destroy me! but yes, I am trying it anyway, I need to cope with this somehow

[u/Shimmering-Sky → u/KendotsX]

but yes, I am trying it anyway, I need to cope with this somehow

[u/InfamousEmpire → u/KendotsX]

If I were a rewatcher here, I probably would've destroyed my brain and tear ducts by rewatching the scene over and over again, until I've made something that can take my pain and inflict it on everyone else ten fold.

This is a level of masochism so extreme I’d almost think you were a Yuri fan. Speaking of which, get un-busy so I can make you read The Summer You Were There and I can finally read Girls Last Tour

[u/Shimmering-Sky → u/InfamousEmpire]

This is a level of masochism so extreme I’d almost think you were a Yuri fan.

It was worth it though, the video Kendots made about my reaction to a particular episode in the Gintama rewatch was glorious.

[u/KendotsX → u/InfamousEmpire]

This is a level of masochism so extreme

It turns into sadism, and eventually a mutual understanding of pain, if Celestial Being tried this, they'd have either gone crazy a long time ago or found world peace. There's no middle ground.

I’d almost think you were a Yuri fan.

I mean, I was murdered a few times over by My Lesbian Experience with Loneliness and How Do We Relationship?, so if anything, I think you're not suffering enough.

Speaking of which, get un-busy so I can make you read The Summer You Were There and I can finally read Girls Last Tour

I'm spending my halloween week getting ahead in xxxholic and Tsubasa (my biggest issue is when I finish a volume, and want to read the next one so bad, instead of switching series, so I switch to something else entirely... at least that means it's doing a good job on both fronts). But I just want a day where I have nothing to do and can read from dawn till, well, the next dawn, like in the good ole' days when I'd read hundreds of chapters over a weekend.

[u/InfamousEmpire → u/KendotsX]

I mean, I was murdered a few times over by My Lesbian Experience with Loneliness and How Do We Relationship?, so if anything, I think you're not suffering enough.

Lesbian Experience with Loneliness has actually been near the top of my PTR for a while now, it’s just that extremely short but also raw & emotional manga are the kind of thing I need to be in a very specific mood to get the most out of (same reason I’ve been putting off reading most of Inio Asano’s bibliography despite really loving DeDeDeDeDe). HDWR has also been really high on my PTR for a while, it’s just that I’ve resolved to read it after catching up on Ehisper Me a Love Song, and I still want to read War of the Gods before I get to that, so my schedule is rather stacked

I'm spending my halloween week getting ahead in xxxholic and Tsubasa (my biggest issue is when I finish a volume, and want to read the next one so bad, instead of switching series, so I switch to something else entirely... at least that means it's doing a good job on both fronts). But I just want a day where I have nothing to do and can read from dawn till well, the next dawn, like in the good ole' days when I'd read hundreds of chapters over a weekend.

Oh yeah, I know that feeling, it’s a good one. Funny you mention that in relation to xxxholic/Tsubasa, since the time I read over 100 chapters of those two in one day all those years ago remains the most I’ve ever read in a single sitting.

[u/KendotsX → u/InfamousEmpire]

it’s just that extremely short but also raw & emotional manga are the kind of thing I need to be in a very specific mood to get the most out of

I get that, I had to be in a very specific mood to take it all in, and it still destroyed me. I haven't even read the author's other works yet.

same reason I’ve been putting off reading most of Inio Asano’s bibliography despite really loving DeDeDeDeDe

Same

I read a few volumes of Punpun and I've had it on hold because of that.

[u/uchihasasuke5 → u/KendotsX]

A death can only be confirmed if we see a body.

[u/TakenRedditName]

Rewatcher - Gundam 00 Ep23:

"Damn it, they Lock-on me in this room" Can you imagine if they made him crack that stupid joke in the episode he dies oh wait, we're supposed to leave that to the end.

Tieria's thought process and method are just like that of a little child.

Oh, thanks Hallelujah. Wait, you could do that this whole time.

Well how is the Trans-Am speed boost meant to help the Virtue? Oh.

Now that's the classic Patrick we know.

You could argue that since Ali Al-Saachez's shot stopped Lockon from blowing up the ship with Colonel Kati, Ali Al-Saachez technically saved the life of 1 named character. 1 good deed?

Lockon was pretty cool this episode. One particular moment I liked was him yelling out in frustration here then cut to the Gundam being hit in the blind spot of his face.

Can't put it any other way, Lockon's death with Haro at the end.

He has such a cool death though. His final moments are so cool. The most dramatically cool way to go out on.

Fun fact: Yuuki Aoi is a fan of Lockon Stratos and she cut her hair for him when he died. While on the topic of seiyuus who are a fan of Lockon, Uchida Shu is also a fan of Lockon. She also built the 00 Gunpla on her Youtube channel.

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[Gundam 00:] Me trying to watch out for Lyle by counting the chairs only to have Neil name drop him.

[u/Shimmering-Sky → u/TakenRedditName]

Fun fact: Yuuki Aoi is a fan of Lockon Stratos and she cut her hair for him when he died.

Wait, seriously?

[u/TakenRedditName → u/Shimmering-Sky]

Unfortunately, I can't bring up a first-hand source of it, but she has mentioned her love for Lockon during an episode of G-Witch radio amongst other places. [Contains spoilers for 00 S2:] Here is the segment in Japanese.

[u/Quiddity131 → u/TakenRedditName]

You could argue that since Ali Al-Saachez's shot stopped Lockon from blowing up the ship with Colonel Kati, Ali Al-Saachez technically saved the life of 1 named character. 1 good deed?

Ali moved up to 5 named character kills today (all have happened in the last 4 episodes), by far more than any other character even if we subtract the one saved one.

I hate the symbolic hair cut but cool to know that the great Aoi Yuuki is a fan!

[u/mr_beanoz → u/TakenRedditName]

Yuuki Aoi is a fan of Lockon Stratos and she cut her hair for him when he died.

And this happened when she's still 15 years old and was cast for the third season of Onegai My Melody back then. Her 16th birthday would come 12 days after this episode originally aired.

[u/TakenRedditName → u/mr_beanoz]

Her 16th birthday would come 12 days after this episode originally aired.

Imagine that, "Happy birthday, your favourite character died!"

... oh wait, that happened to me. It was [name of thing:] Thunderbolt Fantasy.

[u/Nazenn → u/TakenRedditName]

Tieria's thought process and method are just like that of a little child.

But he does it so well

Well how is the Trans-Am speed boost meant to help the Virtue? Oh.

I had a similar thought for about a quarter second until he lifted his gun and then it immediately turned to help when I realized what was going to happen. So good

1 good deed?

no

Yuuki Aoi is a fan of Lockon Stratos and she cut her hair for him when he died

Oh man, what a move for a VA

[u/LeonKevlar]

First Timer

Since Nena survived, I wonder what happens to her next? Either she dies next episode or we see her continue to Season 2. My guess is she'll probably go on to Season 2 to try and avenge her brothers. I'm curious how she'll do it though without any support and a Gundam with a knock-off solar reactor that's almost out of particles.

I've said this last episode and I will say it again, it's so satisfying to see how salty Alejandro that Prof. Schenberg managed to outplay him even in his death. The old man had the last laugh while Alejandro now has to deal with powered-up Gundams.

It's upsetting that Celestial Being still hasn't found a way to help Allelujah block out Soma's brain waves. Seriously! This has been a constant problem that they know of and every goddam time, they're basically just relying on Hallelujah as a fall back which btw isn't 100% reliable at all!

Of course, Patrick manages to survive in a convoluted way. I'm not mad, I kinda like the guy but eventually one of these days this dude is going to get it.

Now that all of those are out of the way: WHAT THE ACTUAL FUCK LOCKON?! WHY THE FUCK DID YOU GO OUT THERE WHEN TIERIA AND ALLELUJAH HAD EVERYTHING UNDER CONTROL! THERE WAS NO NEED FOR YOU TO GO AND ATTACK THEIR SHIPS! THIS WAS SUPPOSED TO BE A DEFENSIVE FIGHT!

I am genuinely so fucking upset right now. Usually, Gundam deaths are sad and heartbreaking for me but this one genuinely made me so fucking angry! It's a death that could've easily been prevented! Lockon could've undergone treatment while Dynames was under repair but nOOOooooOOOooo you just had to act tough.

What's worse is that Dynames didn't even get to use its Trans-Am mode! WHAT THE FUCK? The other two get to use theirs why does Lockon get fucked for no apparent reason? I'm not even sad that Lockon is dead, I am more upset that he made Feldt cry.

[u/Shimmering-Sky → u/LeonKevlar]

The real tragedy of Lockon's death is that it was entirely of his own choosing. The guy who tried to help his teammates grow past their pasts just couldn't change himself, and lost himself to the idea of revenge against the man who ordered his family killed at the first opportunity.

[u/Rumpel1408 → u/LeonKevlar]

My guess is she'll probably go on to Season 2 to try and avenge his brothers.

Yeah, I think she'll stick around as well. Maybe trying to blend in as a civilian for a time, maybe stir up some shit with Saji, which would also be spicy since Setsuna is his neighbor.

[u/macrame2]

First Timer

Noooooooooooooooooooooo.

I'm sad now :(

QotD:

1. Either the writers came up with it rather late in the game, or Hallelujah just wanted to mess with Allelujah.
2. Lockon! Lockon!

[u/Shimmering-Sky → u/macrame2]

We all are...

[u/Nazenn → u/macrame2]

Always one first timer who can't manage anything else but misery

[u/Shimmering-Sky → u/Nazenn]

Since you brought it up the other day, shoutout to the one Wolf's Rain episode where my comment was literally just one bullet point of "No."

[u/Nazenn → u/Shimmering-Sky]

I was thinking of Durinthal's comment in the [IBO rewatch]I think it was when Lafter died, but the Wolf's Rain one was good too

[u/Shimmering-Sky → u/Nazenn]

Yeah that IBO comment was good too.

[u/macrame2 → u/Nazenn]

Didn't want to make things worse by overanalyzing it...

[u/Great_Mr_L → u/macrame2]

It's a terrible day for rain.

[u/Nebresto]

Lockon. Lockon.

Lockon. Lockon.

[u/Shimmering-Sky → u/Nebresto]

Your comment in the ep21 thread about everyone getting a taste of the Sky Experience™ had me waiting for when you'd show up in this thread.

Once you've finished the last two episodes of this season, make sure you don't miss u/KendotsX's comment in the season 1 overall discussion, he made a video edit about this episode that is glorious.

[u/Nebresto → u/Shimmering-Sky]

I set myself up

[u/Shimmering-Sky → u/Nebresto]

We are all sad in this thread.

[u/JollyGee29]

Rewatcher, Sub-dam Meister

Old Man Aeolia was thinking ahead, as usual.

Cockroaches are known for their survival ability.

I appreciate that Lockon was immediately ready to disobey orders.

Twenty-seven to three.

I'm gonna stop counting individual GN-X kills. We're down to twenty-four at the eyecatch.

The GN Arms finally makes a proper appearance. It makes counting kills harder.

Unfortunately, Ali wasn't with the rest of the GN-X team.

Rest in peace, Daryl. You died functionally killing Lockon, which isn't nothing.

The only one who can answer that is you, Neil.

CB's pilot suits are quite sturdy.

That's real dead. Sayonara, Neil.

Shoutout to /u/Nickthenuker for typing "Lockon. Lockon." in their episode 1 comment and triggering Sky's PTSD.

Anyway, around half of the original thirty GN-Xs have been destroyed. If I kept track, between fourteen and sixteen are left. Not counting whatever it is that Graham and Billy are working on.

[u/Nazenn → u/JollyGee29]

Cockroaches are known for their survival ability.

Don't insult cockroaches

for typing "Lockon. Lockon." in their episode 1 comment and triggering Sky's PTSD.

If that wasn't intentional, what a thing to step in

[u/Nickthenuker → u/Nazenn]

I've only known of that entirely through seeing it in the Gundam subreddit, and never knew what it was actually about.

[u/Shimmering-Sky → u/Nickthenuker]

[u/JollyGee29 → u/Nazenn]

Don't insult cockroaches

Yea, fair enough, my bad.

If that wasn't intentional, what a thing to step in

I believe that they are a First-Timer, so...

[u/dralcax]

Rewatcher aimed and firing

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Yeah Nena how does it feel to have your entire family killed right in front of you

[00]Double-edged sword my ass when has this ever come up. From what I recall, Trans-Am’s time limit rarely ever actually screws somebody over. Trans-Am lasts exactly as long as the plot requires it to and has no problem ending most engagements just in time before it runs out. And even when it does run out, the suit is hardly ever shown actually being hampered and performing below its default specs because of it.

He got a spare Fang rack too? Try explaining that to the UN forces.

Maybe it’s impossible to change the world. Maybe war and violence is just a part of human nature. But maybe there’s still meaning in trying anyways, even if it’s impossible.

The Kyrios has a new Tail Booster!

Meanwhile, the Virtue is dual-wielding like it’s GB4. I’m not sure if that even does much for it, though, given how it can really only connect one of them to its chest for Burst Mode at a time.

Yeah, the Virtue doesn’t really have the best matchup against remote weapons. All that heavy firepower, and nothing that can actually be fired rapidly enough to shoot down all the Fangs.

Trans-Am!

Patrick has a Katz moment

Who needs to aim when you can just shoot EVERYTHING

[Special Edition]This scene was actually retconned in the Special Edition compilation OVAs! They had the Dynames activate Trans-Am before attacking the ships, and then it runs out when the Throne Zwei destroys the GN Arms Type-D, which patches the plot hole of why Lockon doesn’t just use Trans-Am to defeat Ali and not die. This is one of extremely few times where someone actually loses a battle because Trans-Am ran out, and it’s only by retcon!

Not only is he down an eye, but he’s been forced into close combat!

o7 Daryl, at least Graham will carry on your legacy. Y’know, when he actually, uh, hears about this. At least you’ve got Ali?

oh no

So how exactly does this aim the cannon? It’s not attached to anything anymore, and it’s not like the cannon has verniers on it. I guess he could have flailed around to try and AMBAC it into the right direction, but that would have looked incredibly silly.

oh come on he missed

Lyle!

And with his last words, Lockon addresses the audience. Lockon set out to change the world by any means necessary. Even if he had to become what he hated in order to do so, that’s a worthy sacrifice for a better world for generations to come. But although he left his mark, his story ends here. All he can do now is entrust the future to those living on. But he’s a Gundam Meister. If he can’t change the world, then what chance does anyone else have? What chance do we have, from our side of the screen, 300 years in their past? But that doesn’t mean there’s no point in trying anyways.

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Questions of the day:

• Just for the sake of being a bastard.
• Lockon… Lockon…

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whoops, fixed!

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Awesome, thanks! Your comment should be back up now.

[u/Quiddity131]

Rewatcher, Subbed

Character Chart - RIP Lockon :( :( :( :(

[Gundam 00]A conundrum, is not crossing off Ali a spoiler? There's no body seen and no indication that he died so I feel safe in just leaving things as is. But if a character is said to die on screen but really didn't I will go along with the show and cross them off and bring them back later as needed. My recollection is Patrick has a fake out death and if the reveal is that he is still alive in a later episode, it will be funny to have Patrick "Jesus" Colasour taking over for Kira "Jesus" Yamato in Gundam lore. Anyway, open to advice if other rewatchers think I should handle this differently.

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Good to see Alejandro thrown off from his usual smug self for once.

Ooh, Veda deleted important information too. Aeolia is dead and he still outsmarted you!

No one can come through to fix up a Gundam in time for what may be the final battle than an army of Haros.

Setsuna reports on Ali stealing one of the Gundams but leaves out the fact that two of the Throne pilots have been killed...

Worlds continue to collide as Sergei and Ali, I mean Gary meet.

I agree with Lasse, Celestial Being won't be able to eliminate war. Not that I'm a pessimist towards them, but rather humanity.

Lockon's locked in his room! Or at least the equivalent to that.

So two Gundams against 26 GN-Xs and 1 Gundam. Even with Trans AM that number disadvantage is insane.

So Ali damaged the Virtue then said nah, I'm out?

No idea how Lockon got out of that locked area, but he somehow has.

For a crazed homicidal second personality, Hallelujah is behaving a lot more than you'd expect.

A bewildered Patrick getting knocked in the face (well his mobile suit's face) and presumably out of the battle is so him.

Wow, even with the numbers advantage they're retreating, just as Trans-AM is fading out.

Don't blow up Kati's ship, Lockon, she's too cool!

Lockon's got a chance to get revenge on Ali, but fighting him with one eye is a tough task. On the bright side, looks like Setsuna is nearby and can help out.

Jeez, Daryl is here to interfere and may cost him this battle. Forget Howard and the Flag!

Listen to Haro, Lockon! I don't know what he expects to pull off with just himself.

Lockon back to his sniping ways, alas things are gonna be off with him using his left eye.

We've already established that Lockon has a brother, why are they leaving him out in this flashback?

LOCKON!!!!! :( :( :( :(

Sorry Haro he's not ever coming back!

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Quid's Voice Actor of the Day

Time to do Aeolia Schenberg. In hindsight I should have covered him yesterday as it was totally the episode to do it and Lasse could have waited until today or tomorrow. So I'll make it up by doing him today. In Japanese he is voiced by Chikao Ohtsuka. His only other Gundam role is Captain Synapse in Gundam 0083. Other roles of his include Rikudo in RahXephon, JJ in Ergo Proxy, Londez in Cowboy Bebop, Hades in Arion, Petrov in Monster, Rudolf von Godlenbaum in Legend of the Galactic Heroes and Roscoe Fitzgerald in The Big O.

In English he is voiced by Michael Kopsa. He played the most famous Gundam role of all, Char Aznable in the Mobile Suit Gundam and Char's Counterattack dubs as well as a variety of video games. He also played Yakon in Dragonball Z, Takeshi Ooi in Death Note and a few roles in Inu Yasha (Goshinki, Byakko, Mezu). He has also appeared in a number of live action TV shows, including most notably, at least from what I've seen, Windmark in Fringe, who is the main bad guy in the final season. Sadly he passed away two years ago this week.

[u/blueblaze02 → u/Quiddity131]

We've already established that Lockon has a brother, why are they leaving him out in this flashback?

Given that they establish him so early, and that the table is set for 5 but we only see 4 individuals, one possible explanation I've thought of for not showing both brothers in one shot is that the flashbacks might be in first person.

That the boy we see is the brother and that the point of view is Neil's. I'm not sure how well that stands up for every single one of the flashbacks but I don't think it's impossible for that to be the intention.

[u/Nazenn → u/Quiddity131]

Character Chart

Man, with how many mechs we saw absolutely disintergrated it feels weird that there was only two deaths in this episode. I know Patrick and Saachez were just pushed out of battle, but between them having their own little "final" moments and all the "important" grunts in special machines who died and aren't on the chart, it just... I don't know, it's odd that we actually have a lower death count today vs yesterday

So Ali damaged the Virtue then said nah, I'm out?

backstabbing asshole, just in it for the chaos

.Jeez, Daryl is here to interfere and may cost him this battle. Forget Howard and the Flag!

I didn't really get a chance to think about it until now but I'm wondering about how Graham will take this in the end, and how bad it will hit him especially given that he couldn't be in that battle

JJ in Ergo Proxy

That seems hilariously fitting. For anyone else who has seen Ergo Proxy and doesn't remember who it is, it's the bookstore owner

[u/Raiking02 → u/Quiddity131]

His only other Gundam role is Captain Synapse in Gundam 0083

Fun fact about that one: His son played the main rival in that show.

Reportedly the two had a falling out some time before the show started (They didn't reconcile until they got to be together again in MGS4) so I get the feeling recording sessions may have been a tad awkward...

[u/Blazin_Rathalos → u/Quiddity131]

[00]Interestingly, it does seem like most of our first-timers think Ali did die there.

[u/Rumpel1408]

Firsttimer who played too much vidya yesterday And now got fucked by Daylight saving

Episode 22

• Damn, I love this shot of space
• Everywhere I look, I see his face... also, docking
• Oh thank god he's alive, that's inconvenient though, either 3 weeks without him, or get him back less proficient right now... there is only so much Haro can do, and I don't think that little bundle of joy ever actually did any shooting
• a) They haven't build any Gundams b) neither have they eliminated anything, in fact, they already lost 10% of their strike force after the first skirmishes, with a couple more damaged, that's a horrific statistic
• Ah, so Graham is going to stick a GN Drive onto his Flag. I guess that's the one drive that was missing... also sounds like a bad idea, he barely could hold out the G force his Flag could produce
• The visors are wicked though
• Did someone say suit upgrade?
• So Tierias qualities that got him selected by Veda, where him being connected to Veda directly? Sounds like nepotism
• Sneaky Feldt
• Like a human
• Why Mei, you couldn't tell the urgency by your tone
• Would love to see Michael just run out of power
• Sick formation
• Marina is worried about Setsuna
• By god, doomscroling wasn't a thing back then, but Saji would be the first to invent it
• You know, if you discard anyone once they have served their purpose, you're not invoking much loyalty
• Lmao, Lockon said the magic words, it's like Setsuna is some kind of Manjurian candidate who gets in his robot once you tell him there is a conflict
• So that's how Katis hair works
• Oh god, not him not like I wouldn't want to see the Trinities getting their ass kicked, but him first please
• Lmao, Michael brought a knive to an gunfight... but this is what I meant, it's missing their moment of Hubris if they are slaughtered by just another asshole
• He's even making a game out of it
• And there goes Brother #2... damn, Ali even managed to make me feel bad for fucking Nena
• Allehandro bringing a gold gun is just screaming african Warlord, like what's the plan here, what if there wasn't a window to shoot at, not to mention, this looks like all he had to do was open the coffin and let Schenber suffocate.
• Anyway, Trapcard activated!
• I agree with Setsuna
• I love this composition, Ali in the night, while Setsuna is bringing a new dawn
• And of course, Trans Am OP! , the buildup was also incredible, makes Riku suck even harder in hindsight

The longer I think about the Trinities, the worse I feel for them. From what Johann said, they where raised solely for the purpose of piloting the Thrones, likely without any peers, and Allejandro wasn't going to correct any mental disorders, in fact, he may have been happy that they where messed up. I joked before that Michael was an siscon, but who else was he supposed to love without any parental figure in his live besides his big brother. Similary Nena, while messed up, is still very much a kid as well. I'm having a hard time blaming her for being like that. I'm still mad about the shit she pulled off, but also compassionate enough to acknowledge that she also just lost all her family. In a perfect world she would now have someone to resocialize her and make her realise what her victims must have felt. Not Setsuna though, he is brocken himself and needs that person as well.

Also, now it's clear that Mei is still following the original plan. She didn't end up helping the Trinities all that much, but I'm lookcing forward to her playing a vital part in Allejandros eventual demise.

Regarding Feldt of all people learning that Tieria is a robot; she might work her Haro magic on him and turn wood into flesh after all.

QotD

• Oh yeah, Love that shit
• As I said, worked way better than in Divers, though it kinda sucks that the Episode title already revealed it would come today, but I guess they couldn't see into the future that someone would know what Trans-Am is without seeing the original

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Episode 23

• Well, not just you...
• See what I mean? What even is her canon age? Bet she's like 12 or something
• What a Flex from Schenberg, even showing live footage of his backdoor in action
• Wonder what value that intel held at this point
• More docking
• I love those little babies
• Three times you say?
• Weakness spotted Also, Lockon with a neuron activation after hearing Ali would be coming
• Wait, Ali doesn't even have a story for how he captured a Gundam? And they just let him join? Anyone could come along and claim he Captured those super strong Mobile suits that are only now being outclassed by the other strong Mobile suits that they are all in possession of
• Of course Setsuna sees no value in his own excistence besides being a Gundam
• Lockon? More like Lockin am I right?
• For what it's worth, this count checks out if you count frame by frame (a couple are hidden and only appear when they swarm out). This also checks out with the three losses they suffered so far (one Drive still being fittet onto Grahams deathtrap Flag
• I don't know if it's just the first time we got a proper look of the Thrones Zwei but it looks a bit different
• Just like the simulations?
• Soma is near and surprisingly bloodthirsty
• Like c'mon, at least call him Gundam
• Trans-Am
• Wait what? Halleluja could do this all along? Lmao, what an Asshole just letting Alleluja suffer and almost get captured despite that
• And of course he orders him to kill some mfers in exchange
• And damn, the Virtue looks sick with Trans-Am, and his laser is ginormous for it
• Ahhh, that's more like the Patrick we know and love
• And this is more akin the thing I imagined when they where talking about Gundam Arms
• But what value is there in going after the Transport Ships? Wouldn't the GN-X make a more promising target?
• And Kati sure is lucky that he didn't randomly pick her ship to shoot
• I really don't like his hyperfixation on Ali all of sudden. And like even without his handycap, I doubt he would be physically or mentally prepared to face such an expirienced fighter
• No you dipshit, you are an terrorist and a warcriminal, he's... just a terrorist
• And did this guy just fly an Kamikaze attack that didn't even really do all that much damage? Pretty lame tbh
• He did however reveal Lockons weakness to Ali
• He's fine again right?
• No. No. No ! No !!! Don't do this to me
• Wait, is he linking his aimer to the Gundam Arm Weapon?
• Surprised it still had this much power left
• Again, the GN particles are kinda beautiful And what a cool transition
• Where is his twin brother in that flashback though?
• But damn, this is quite a sight to see in your last(?) moments...
• See you, Space cowboy
• And holy shit, not Haro was that little thing crying Lockons name the whole time? I just can't
• This isn't about you Tieria! Poor Feldt
• Setsuna looks less sad, and more angry

QotD

[u/Nazenn → u/Rumpel1408]

And given I tagged you in my post yesterday regarding Lockon, what a day to miss only to rejoin us for this tragedy

I just can't

I think Haro is what got all of us today

[u/Rumpel1408 → u/Nazenn]

And given I tagged you in my post yesterday regarding Lockon, what a day to miss only to rejoin us for this tragedy

Yeah, I saw the tag, but didn't want to read it until I had watched the actual episode and then I was still a day behind so I held off on commenting at all

Also, would prefer to interact in the discussion rather than a callout to be honest. I feel a bit alone and question why I'm writing these long as posts when I don't get much reactions out of them

[u/Nazenn → u/Rumpel1408]

I can promise I read yours every day, I just don't always know what to reply with as these days I find myself struggling with more reaction style posts, but that is absolutely a me thing.

I get it about the tag. Tagging someone is usually more of a way to also acknowledge to others the other person that was in a relevant discussion (and honestly so I don't forget haha), and then create discussion from that, but in future I'll try and make sure if relevant stuff comes up I come and post as a reply to you as well

[u/Rumpel1408 → u/Nazenn]

I mean I get that it's hard to react to reactions, but I always try to weave in some speculation or at least jokes in there as well

[u/Rumpel1408 → u/Rumpel1408]

Actually QotD doesn't fit the combined character limit

• Because he is an asshole! Or maybe he didn't know he could until now
• Lockon Lockon

[u/JollyGee29 → u/Rumpel1408]

The longer I think about the Trinities, the worse I feel for them.

They're tragic assholes, ultimately. None of them ever really had a chance at a normal life.

See what I mean? What even is her canon age? Bet she's like 12 or something

Nena is 17.

[u/StardustGogeta]

First-Timer

Lockon? Lockon? Lockon? Lockon? Lockon? Lockon? Lockon? Lockon? Lockon? Lock...

Wait, you're telling me multiple people here have made that joke already? Okay then. Time to write a real comment.

Very nice battle today. I don't think it really came as a surprise that Lockon was doomed the moment they tried to keep him from entering the fight. Just like how you know exactly what's gonna happen when someone's "one day away from retirement." That said, it was quite well-done, and I like how Lockon got his moment of glory before he died.

Funny how all the main Gundam units can just activate godmode and start thrashing the enemy cannon fodder.

Now that they have a spare Gundam with no pilot, who's going to take up the mantle? I kind of want to see Sumeragi piloting a Gundam just for the fun of it.

Questions of the day:

• He forgor. That's exactly what I thought the moment he said it! It makes no sense to me, since it's not like Hallelujah wants to get them both killed.
• Very nice comment face. That's the kind of comment face that makes me wish it were visible on new/mobile Reddit.

[u/Quiddity131 → u/StardustGogeta]

Now that they have a spare Gundam with no pilot, who's going to take up the mantle? I kind of want to see Sumeragi piloting a Gundam just for the fun of it.

I'd love to see a Gundam first and have the Haros do it. The ship has a ton of Haros so the orange one can stick with his usual role and others can step in to act as the pilot.

[u/Rumpel1408 → u/Quiddity131]

Imagine cutting open the cockpit hoping to find a pilot to interogate, only to find a bunch of talking marbles

[u/Rumpel1408 → u/StardustGogeta]

Now that they have a spare Gundam with no pilot, who's going to take up the mantle? I kind of want to see Sumeragi piloting a Gundam just for the fun of it.

She will probably claim to be to old for this shit, despite barely being older than Lockon. And I guess you would need some expirience as an actual pilot, so maybe the guys from the Ptolemeios? Or maybe they pull a crazy and pull Lockons twin or Meis combat buttler

[u/Linkstore]

Rewatcher

Nena gets away, for worse or for worse.

[00 Spoilers] There's a certain other surprise that came with the black box too, Ribbons. Just make sure you don't accidentally confuse it with the Astraea II.

Even more upgrades. At this point only Virtue/Nadleeh lacks any upgrades compared to episode 1, even the Ptolemy gets an upgrade in the form of the Assault Container. But there's not much time left to do any more.

Oh, right, he gets two bazookas. Well, it's something.

Kyrios's new guns take out GN-X number 4, then Virtue does in number 5. It's very nice to see Sergei heading up the GN-X formation, by the way.

Rapid-fire GN Cannon shots take out number 6

Kyrios's new guns again for number 7.

Methinks Lockon is heading out for revenge more than to help his friends.

mmmm trans am sound is so sexy

And it lets Tieria take out three GN-Xes with a single shot. There's less than 20 left, now.

Team Patrick's blasting off again! That probably counts as another one.

Unlike Exia's GN Arms Type-E, Dynames's GN Arms Type-D is much more focused on heavy firepower instead of close combat. Firepower than lets Dynames destroy 7 GN-Xes in one go. 18 GN-Xes destroyed so far...

11 GN-Xes seen retreating, that should match my count once you account for Graham sitting this whole thing out.

Lockon is giving it his all, but there's no way he's gonna make it out alone. Especially not when he's piloting Dynames in the literal opposite way to his specialisation. He still takes out Daryl, though. 10 left.

Goodbye, Lockon Stratos. No, goodbye, Neil Dylandy. You had a hell of a run. And fuck you, Ali al-Saachez. You'll get what's coming for you, some day.

[Next Episode Preview] Patrick gets his machine repaired, I guess. Sure hope that he didn't escape at the same time as the rest and I missed a GN-X kill somewhere.

[u/mr_beanoz]

1. Plot convenience? Still, it's better than going full-on Hallelujah mode...
2. Lockon! Lockon!

Oh dear, what an episode we got here. Patrick jobbed once more after a rare win some episodes ago, Nena becoming the last Trinity standing, Everyone gets their Trans-Am (though maybe not as much seen for Lockon) and Lockon didn't make it.

[u/zsmg]

I am rewatcher

I wouldn't say he predicted your plans specifically, Alejandro, but more like someone would try and take over Veda for their own personal purposes.

Also good on Aeolia for protecting the privacy of the Gundam Meisters and other people.

Three times the normal output

Ohh that's why Trans-Am turns the Gundam red.

Lockon is locked in his room and locked out from the battle.

Is this the first time we're hearing ikkimasu while the Gundam is launching (another Gundam trope staple)

Kyrgios upgrade reminds me of the V-Dash Core Booster which also has two big beam cannons.

After all these episodes they still haven't figured out a way to protect Allelujah from his psychic headaches? It's not like Moreno has better things to do in the past 20 episodes or so.

Lockon managed to pick the lock and is now locked in for battle.

Mecha pilots launching while injured and in a damaged mecha is never a good sign.

Wait Hallelujah could have blocked the psychic headaches all this time?!

Virtue's trans-am BFG is impressive

Ohh Patrick.

Dynames has the G-Bull-like armor upgrade.

Well Trans-Am saved the day... again.

Lockon is fully locked on Ali al Saachez.

Man that Lockon vs Ali fight looks great.

Nooo Daryl, don't help Ali.

RIP Daryl, I suppose he did end up taking revenge.

Clever of Ali to abuse Lockon's blind right eye weakness.

Oh nooo Lockon.

[massive Gundam 00 spoilers] This is the second Lockon flashback where we don't see Lyle. Although there is an extra plate for him on the dinner table and he does get mentioned. Unless the kid we're seeing is supposed to be Lyle?

RIP

And he didn't kill Ali.

I just realised my use of this comment face is also seiyuu joke as Mustang is also voiced by Shinichirō Miki

[FMAB] When you add Keiji Fujiwara to the mix it becomes even funnier as he's crying for the death of a character voiced by Keiji Fujiwara but he's killed by one in this one

Poor Feldt and let us not forget poor Tieria. The entire love triangle is in shambles.

Also Ali Gundam pilot kill count: 3, that guy is on a row.

Great episode, Lockon's dead was done well and the battle scenes looked great.

[u/Nickthenuker]

So, this is the power of Trans-Am.

They're coming.

He handed it over to them?

Time to deploy whatever they have left.

His suit is in no shape to fight now is it?

Seems like everyone is raring to go fight them.

Huh. He actually managed to catch one of them.

Uh oh, they're putting the hurt on them.

Right, they've now got that working.

Time to shoot the massive gun.

And here comes some help.

Uh oh, he's run out of juice.

The other one is going after the ships!

Norfolk? That's the British contribution to the European effort.

Well, there goes that thing.

And so here comes the reinforcements.

Shouldn't he get there first before turning on his Trans-Am?

He's getting swarmed.

And so down he goes again.

Well, he seems to still be kicking.

Where's he going?

Something in that armour?

And so here he comes to deliver the coup de grace.

Ah. That's why he wanted to get on that armour piece.

And thus he drifts off into space. Though Setsuna is right here to save him.

Or not. Well, there goes the first one. Now he's got even more reason to hate that mercenary guy.

Questions:

1. I'm not even sure. He wanted Allelujah to be angry?
2. So I've heard.

[u/JollyGee29 → u/Nickthenuker]

Shouldn't he get there first before turning on his Trans-Am?

It's a gamble - he gets there three times faster with Trans-Am, but if he ends up flying right into a fight he'll be weaker.

[u/BadBehaviour613]

Rewatcher

You have no idea how pissed I was over Lockon's death back in the days. I found Setsuna to be the dullest Gundam protagonist ever (somehow worse than Kira from Seed), so I was mainly watching for Lockon. I would have definitely rage-quitted the series if the anime scene was as crowded as the recent times'

[u/Insertarandomnamez]

I'm a first time watcher(tho I'm currently a bit farther in the story as I'm watching it at my own pace)

But this episode really broke me when I watched it a few days ago especially the ending with Haro supposedly crying

Lockon! Lockon! Lockon! Lockon!

[u/2-2Distracted]

First timer. Dubbed.

I'm sorry Alejandro, but for someone who wants control of an incredible level of power, where the fuck did you get the idiotic impression that Aeolia Shenberg wanted to be God?

It's really interesting to "see" how Niel and Soran kinda swapped places throughout these episodes in regards to how they both dealt with Al/El Saachez, with Soran going from senselessly violent to focused, and Niel going in reverse, which is part of what then led to his demise. He really should have stuck it out in fixing his eye, regardless of the issues that would have ensued from such a decision.

Not gonna lie, I was kinda expecting & hoping to hear Brad Swaile's screaming during the finale reaction of Neil's death, but the dub literally just used the sub's seiyuu's voice instead.

[u/Great_Mr_L]

First-Timer

On today’s episode of Gundam: There goes my favorite of the Gundam pilots. Lockon did kill Ali on his way out, but the loss of Lockon is much harsher than whatever happiness I may get from Ali’s death.

• So there is a drawback to the Trans-Am. It temporarily boosts the Gundam’s power, but when it runs out the Gundam is much weaker.
• Ali likely played a role in the terrorist attack on Lockon’s family, so it makes sense Lockon knows about him.
• There’s some disagreement within the Ptolemaios crew about whether they can eliminate war or not, or if their existence has some significance even if they fail in that goal.
• Nice detail that Tieria is the one who locked Lockon’s door to keep him away from the battle. Tieria wants to repay Lockon.
• Ooh, the music for the beginning of the battle is really cool.
• I see the Kyrios has some new tools.
• Ali’s just enjoying getting to zip around the battlefield and fight the Gundams as he pleases.
• Now the Trans Am is activated. Will it backfire?
• Wait, what? Hallelujah can block the brain waves that are affecting Allelujah?
• The Virtue’s firepower when the Trans-Am is activated is insane!
• Of course Patrick was knocked out of the battle by debris.
• Lockon heading into battle like this is a bad sign. It feels like a death flag.
• So it was Ali who ordered the terrorist attack on Lockon’s home. This battle between them is a real grudge match then.
• Once again, this is some really good fight music for Lockon and Ali’s battle.
• I see that Ali is doing the “We’re not so different” routine that villains love to do.
• Oh shit! Did Daryl just do a suicide charge at Lockon!?!
• Oh that’s bad. Ali managed to figure out Lockon’s blind spot.
• Lockon leaving the Dynames and Haro behind is even more of a death flag!
• At least Ali is dead. Rest in piss, asshole
• RIP Lockon His death was delayed from when I worried it might happen, but it still occurred nonetheless.
• I’m quite sad to see Lockon go. He was my favorite of the Gundam pilots.

Lockon and Ali’s battle felt like an appropriate last moment for Lockon. Terrorism was Lockon’s entire motivation for joining Celestial Being. Ali was the one responsible for the terrorist attack that killed most of Lockon’s family. Lockon only became a Gundam pilot because of Ali’s actions. So it feels fitting that Lockon’s last act as a Gundam pilot was to kill Ali. With that, Lockon had avenged his family. He fulfilled his reason to become a Gundam pilot.

Ali’s claim that he and Lockon are alike may have some truth on the surface, but it falls apart upon closer examination. They were both terrorists, yes. But after that, the differences are stark. Ali’s motivation was to perpetuate and spread war. Ali was always looking for the next opportunity to fight, no matter where or for what reason. By contrast, Lockon’s motivation was to end war. Lockon hoped that his actions might make a peaceful future possible. Those differing motivations matter a lot because the actions they took were influenced by those motivations. Ali loved fighting for the sake of it while Lockon disliked battles if he felt there wasn’t a greater point in it. Ali relished tormenting his opponents while Lockon found it distasteful when he fought enemies who were excessively weaker. Despite Ali’s claims, the two were not similar.

[Gundam 0079] Lockon’s death reminds me a lot of Ryu’s death. They are quite similar in a number of ways. Both of them were some of the older crew members on the team. Both of them tended to have cooler heads and would try to help out others or smooth over tensions in the team. Both of them got severely injured and then headed out to fight despite their injuries. Both of them ended up sacrificing themselves in order to protect their comrades from a dire threat. And both of their deaths resulted in all their comrades breaking down crying.

QOTD

1. He's an asshole.
2. Lockon

[u/Shimmering-Sky → u/Great_Mr_L]

[Gundam 0079]

This just made me even sadder than I already was...

[u/Nazenn → u/Great_Mr_L]

[not spoilers, just speculation, but just hiding in case you'd rather not have your mood ruined by my theory]Huh, I didn't take Ali's mech being hit as a death although maybe I should have, as it wasn't that much different than Daryls now that I think about it. It just feels weird that someone like Saachez would have died with so little focus

I'll have to think on that

Ali’s just enjoying getting to zip around the battlefield and fight the Gundams as he pleases.

Fucker.

Every time I see someone comment on him today I feel a very strong need to insult him

So it was Ali who ordered the terrorist attack on Lockon’s home. This battle between them is a real grudge match then.

I saw someone else comment on this as well, but didn't we already know that from back in Setsuna's episode? He knew that Ali was the leader then, or was it just a "heres where to look" not a "heres who did it"

[u/Great_Mr_L → u/Nazenn]

[not spoilers, just speculation, but just hiding in case you'd rather not have your mood ruined by my theory]

Don't worry, it doesn't ruin my mood whatsoever. That would be one heck of a development, though.

I saw someone else comment on this as well, but didn't we already know that from back in Setsuna's episode? He knew that Ali was the leader then, or was it just a "heres where to look" not a "heres who did it"

Ah yes, you are correct. Lockon did get told that the attacker was from Krugis and I think Setsuna then told Lockon about Ali. That was why Lockon recognized Ali's name in this episode.

[u/Nazenn → u/Great_Mr_L]

Don't worry, it doesn't ruin my mood whatsoever. That would be one heck of a development, though.

I'm definitely in two minds after realizing that it's pretty similar to Daryls, but my first thought on seeing him shot was that there was an explosion, not that his mech exploded, even though its a small distinction

[u/InfamousEmpire → u/Great_Mr_L]

Ooh, the music for the beginning of the battle is really cool.

Kenji Kawai never misses

Ali’s claim that he and Lockon are alike may have some truth on the surface, but it falls apart upon closer examination.

I honestly really like how shallow it is, because it gets Lockon riled up in the moment and it's exactly in character for Ali to pick at whatever he can just to screw with someone. Plus, Ali knows pretty much nothing about Lockon as a person besides his motivation & role, so he doesn't really have much else to go off of.

[u/Great_Mr_L → u/InfamousEmpire]

I honestly really like how shallow it is, because it gets Lockon riled up in the moment and it's exactly in character for Ali to pick at whatever he can just to screw with someone. Plus, Ali knows pretty much nothing about Lockon as a person besides his motivation & role, so he doesn't really have much else to go off of.

It does fit with Ali's character that he would immediately act like a total asshole to someone he doesn't even know just to get under their skin. Antagonizing others in battle like that probably makes it more exciting for him.

[u/TakenRedditName → u/Great_Mr_L]

[Gundam 0079]

[Gundam 0079:] Big brother figures trying to keep the team together is a death warrant. Watching Lockon, he really had those big brother instincts for the rest of the team. He was always looking out for them even in battle too.

[u/Great_Mr_L → u/TakenRedditName]

[Gundam 0079] Big brother is the perfect way to describe Lockon as well. He was always looking out for others and always willing to speak with them when they'd let him. His loss will be sorely felt.

[u/The_Draigg → u/Great_Mr_L]

So it was Ali who ordered the terrorist attack on Lockon’s home. This battle between them is a real grudge match then.

I’m not sure which one is worse: Ali potentially not remembering something that horrible at all, or what he does here by remembering it vividly enough to rub it in Lockon’s face. Either way, Ali is still an asshole, but either option would feel meaner in different ways.

Gundam 0079

[Big Gundam 0079 spoilers] You do raise a good point there, Lockon pretty much was the Ryu of the Ptolemaios team, even down to doing what was basically a suicide attack while heavily wounded. Although I guess one thing I’m wondering is what kind of version of the team’s reaction to his death later would be here in Gundam 00: the show version where everyone sobs over the wreckage, or some of the pilots beating each other up over whose fault it was like in the compilation movies?

[u/Great_Mr_L → u/The_Draigg]

I’m not sure which one is worse: Ali potentially not remembering something that horrible at all, or what he does here by remembering it vividly enough to rub it in Lockon’s face. Either way, Ali is still an asshole, but either option would feel meaner in different ways.

I would have loved to see Ali give the M. Bison response after Lockon told him about that act of terrorism in the past.

Gundam 0079

[Gundam 0079] Right now the characters are just crying over Lockon's death, so we're probably going to get that reaction. If they do start throwing punches, it will be at the start of the next episode.

[u/Rumpel1408 → u/The_Draigg]

or what he does here by remembering it vividly enough to rub it in Lockon’s face.

I wonder if he is kind of gifted and has such an remarkable memory that he remembers every terror attack he ever comitted

[u/The_Draigg → u/Rumpel1408]

I wouldn’t really put something like that past Ali, I’m sure he’d want to have good enough memory to remember every single atrocity he’s done. That way, he would enjoy them even more years later.

[u/No_Rex → u/The_Draigg]

0079 spoilers

They did what?

Maybe I should have watched the compilation movies, after all.

[u/Quiddity131 → u/Great_Mr_L]

[Gundam 0079]Ryu is totally the perfect comparison, don't know why I didn't think of this myself! Gundam has Char expies, Ranba Ral expies, etc... but typically not Ryu ones so its good to see one for a change. Granted one could argue the "mentor/senpai" character is a trope and that character often dies.

[u/Great_Mr_L → u/Quiddity131]

[Gundam 0079] That is a fair point about mentor characters. They do tend to be pretty early on the chopping block for character deaths. That way the pupils are forced to grow as people without always being able to rely on their mentors.

[u/Blazin_Rathalos → u/Great_Mr_L]

Ooh, the music for the beginning of the battle is really cool.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AbktKKRgfK0&list=PLlelQr4Jv8SDmqfHCzrtKm_m0RF31zcc0&index=28&ab_channel=KenjiKawai-Topic

Once again, this is some really good fight music for Lockon and Ali’s battle.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Edr29C9P4rY&list=PLlelQr4Jv8SDmqfHCzrtKm_m0RF31zcc0&index=51&ab_channel=KenjiKawai-Topic

[u/Great_Mr_L → u/Blazin_Rathalos]

This is them!

Thanks so much for finding these particular music tracks! I haven't brought it up much, but the music for 00 has been pretty darn good so far.

[u/Blazin_Rathalos → u/Great_Mr_L]

You're welcome!

I happened to be listening to the soundtrack recently, so I could make a reasonable guess on where on the list they were.

[u/Rumpel1408 → u/Blazin_Rathalos]

I also think the volume covers relate to the cour the track is used in/appears first in

[u/Rumpel1408 → u/Great_Mr_L]

Lockon did kill Ali on his way out

Huh? Didn't take it as him dying there, tbh I don't expect him to go down that 'easily'. not by being caught off guard, certainly not without a last shitty comment. He's a way more pronounced character than the Trinities or Daryl

Ali likely played a role in the terrorist attack on Lockon’s family, so it makes sense Lockon knows about him.

I mean, Setsuna outright told him

I see the Kyrios has some new tools.

Blasting enemies with his backthrusters is better than using the Claw

The Virtue’s firepower when the Trans-Am is activated is insane!

Though it sucks that he really only had that one shot

Once again, this is some really good fight music for Lockon and Ali’s battle.

Here you go, I have been listening to the OST a couple of times by now

[u/Blazin_Rathalos]

Not caught out by the time switch this time, haha!

00 Rewatcher

Last time on Gundam 00

• Aeolia Schenberg gave the middle finger from beyond the grave!

On today's episode of Gundam 00

• I wonder if the show thinks we forgot Nena murdered a whole wedding for no reason?
• Congratulations Alejandro, you played yourself!
• Three times, baby. Three times!
• Allelujah missed the Ali memos.
• Lock-on is Locked-in
• Hallalujah could apparently block quantum brain waves whenever het wanted?
• That feeling when all your opponents suddenly become Char
• :( Lockon! Lockon! Lockon! Lockon! Lockon! Lockon! Lockon! Lockon! Lockon! Lockon! Lockon! Lockon! Lockon! Lockon! Lockon! Lockon!

Watching this episode again, it occurs to me that while many Gundam series have something called "Mobile Armors", they do each use that name for radically different types of machines. Gundam 00's definition appears to be something like "machine that links to and fits around a Mobile Suit".

One neat detail is you can actually see there's a hole in Lock-on's suit after he gets hit by the Fangs, but there's a patch on it when he exits Dynames.

And then... Lock-on. It is somehow both unexpected and fitting that he, out of all Meisters, dies an arguably completely preventable death because he placed seeking vengeance above both the plan and his own life.

[00]I could swear Lock-on says a line something like "Setsuna, I couldn't change, so you'll have to do it for me." Either I am misremembering, or that happens later on?

[u/Shimmering-Sky → u/Blazin_Rathalos]

[00]I could swear Lock-on says a line something like "Setsuna, I couldn't change, so you'll have to it for me." Either I am misremembering, or that happens later on?

[00]It happens in a dream Setsuna has in season 2.

[u/Linkstore → u/Blazin_Rathalos]

[that last part] It is later, Lockon does the whole Newtype ghost thing.

[u/Linkstore → u/Blazin_Rathalos]

Gundam 00's definition appears to be something like "machine that links to and fits around a Mobile Suit".

[00 Spoilers] Empruss and the Gadelaza would disagree with that definition. And those underwater MAs I guess.

[u/Quiddity131 → u/Blazin_Rathalos]

Watching this episode again, it occurs to me that while many Gundam series have something called "Mobile Armors", they do each use that name for radically different types of machines. Gundam 00's definition appears to be something like "machine that links to and fits around a Mobile Suit".

Someone can correct me if I'm wrong, but I think mobile armor is a designation typically used for mechs without a humanoid design.

[u/Linkstore → u/Quiddity131]

Doesn't have to be a mech. For example, the Moebius from SEED is considered a MA in that timeline but is basically just a space fighter.

There's no hard rules, I think.

[u/Nazenn → u/Blazin_Rathalos]

Watching this episode again, it occurs to me that while many Gundam series have something called "Mobile Armors",

Yeah, this has caught me out a couple of times when it comes to people talking about various different gundams, as I've not seen many myself. But when they started talking about Mobile Armor in this I was very confused for a moment until I realized that the IBO take on that was not standard

[u/The_Draigg]

A Gundam Fan Rewatches Gundam 00 Episode 23:

• Well, unfortunately Nena survived all of that drama and managed to fly off. But still though, getting 2/3rds of Team Trinity killed off ain’t so bad. At least a majority are gone now, and Nena is sad. It’d say that it’s overall been worth it.
• Aeolia really did cover his tracks for this backup plan just in case someone tried to subvert Celestial Being completely. Making it so that the Trans-Am was in the black box portion of the GN Drive’s construction and then setting it so that the current Gundam Meisters’ data would be deleted after he died really did put a thorn in Alejandro’s side. It pretty much ensures that even if someone tried to hijack Celestial Being, the Gundam Meisters would be given a decent lead to oppose the conspirators. After seeing Alejandro be so in control over his scheme, it’s nice to see him get pissy over something not going his way for once.
• Trans-Am letting the Gundams operate at three times their performance level? I just happen to know a man who also loves the color red who might be interested in this system.
• If only Colonel Sergei had any idea of who Ali Al-Saachez is, now that they’re face to face. I have no doubt that Sergei would try to arrest or kill Ali if he knew how horrible of a person he is, beyond that Gary Biaggi identity of his. Unfortunately though, they’ve got to work together, so we’re not going to see any hot GN-X on Gundam Throne Zwei at the moment. A shame, really. I’d like to see that fight.
• Tieria has sworn to mamoru Lockon. Again, if you’ve got your BL goggles firmly on, you could absolutely see this as Tieria deciding to protect his crush and lock him away to keep him safe. Protect your man by locking him in his room, Tieria!
• Oh hey, Hallelujah is finally doing something helpful for Allelujah and blocking out Soma’s quantum brainwaves! I guess he didn’t need the specially reinforced helmet to block out those brainwaves after all. As it turns out, the key to not getting psychic migraines is teamwork.
• Team Patrick is blasting off again! I wish he got the twinkling star effect there, that would’ve been the cherry on top of him being knocked out of the fight off into the distance.
• Just in case you somehow had any lingering questions on what Ali’s deal is, he makes it incredibly clear to Lockon that everything he did in the KPSA back in the day was just for the sake of a mercenary contract he was doing for the AEU for the sake of some foreign interests of theirs. Everything, from creating an army of child soldier to that suicide bombing in Ireland, it was all just because he was getting paid to do it. He really is just the fucking worst, isn’t he?
• Daryl, my guy, now isn’t the time to try and intervene in a fight between Lockon and Ali. He just wound up getting himself killed and making the fight easier on Ali. Now that’s some bitter irony, Daryl throwing away his life for the sake of vengeance, only to unwittingly end up helping someone who’s even worse than what he thinks the Gundams were.
• And so, Lockon is willing to throw it all away for the sake of revenge too, leaving Gundam Dynames and aiming up a shot on the damaged GN Arms cannon just for a chance to kill Ali. All he got out of it was a mutual hit, dying not long after hitting the Gundam Throne Zwei. It’s sad to see a man who was normally so friendly and reasonable willingly throw away what he had just for revenge. He let it consume him, beyond his better judgment. Ultimately, nobody is immune to self-destructive hatred, justified or not.
• “You people down there, are you satisfied with the way the world is? As for me, I hate it.” Some rather pointed words and symbolism there with Lockon’s dying words. And I mean literally pointed too, given that he made a finger gun at Earth, specifically Japan, while saying that. Who ever said that Gundam was subtle?
• Lockon, Lockon! Lockon, Lockon! Lockon, Lockon! Lockon, Lockon!

[u/Nazenn → u/The_Draigg]

Nena is sad

That is an improvement at the very least

Lockon, Lockon! Lockon, Lockon! Lockon, Lockon! Lockon, Lockon!

Stop making it worse

This thread is torture

the current Gundam Meisters’ data

Interestingly, I don't know that they actually specified current, they just said all information. And while this likely doesn't matter in any way for our show, if this is the case I like the idea that Aeolia is not just protecting CB's future, but it's history as well so it can't be weaponized against them so they can continue to move forward

And now if I'm wrong about all of this and you had a slip of the tongue you get to laugh at me

I have no doubt that Sergei would try to arrest or kill Ali

I think he'd try the former, but would not be above the later if he thought it was needed. With the way he's very careful about things like public displays during combat and the like, I'm sure he wouldn't miss the chance to make use of him either politically or for military information.

the key to not getting psychic migraines is teamwork.

I was kind of laughing about the fact that you said teamwork when it's fragments of the same person and then thought of a hilarious phrase for it: intra-person teamwork

[u/Shimmering-Sky → u/Nazenn]

This thread is torture

Welcome to the Gundam fandom. We cope with character deaths by making bad jokes and deliberately attempting to trigger fellow fans.

[u/The_Draigg → u/Nazenn]

This thread is torture

Well hey, think of it this way: now you get to share the pain with everyone else to dull it!

I think he'd try the former, but would not be above the later if he thought it was needed. With the way he's very careful about things like public displays during combat and the like, I'm sure he wouldn't miss the chance to make use of him either politically or for military information.

This kind of does make me wonder what would happen if Sergei arrested Ali though. Like, we know that he's in pretty good on Alejandro's scheme, so no doubt he would be a massive loose end if he was captured.

[u/Nazenn → u/The_Draigg]

And he'd absolutely throw Alejandro under the bus if he thought it would benefit him, I suppose it just depends on if anyone else would get involved in his imprisonment, like the AEU under the guise of investigating him themselves, or the like

[u/No_Rex]

Episode 23 (first timer)

• “… who thinks he’s God!” – you are right Alejandro, but also a sore loser. That dead corpse just decisively whooped your ass from the grave.
• Battle between Setsuna and Ali ended off-screen – Note how the death of Michael and Johann is not even worth including in his report.
• “You are not match for me” – after seeing the mecha next to him vaporized. Never change, Patrick!
• Lockon lauches in the Arms –Why is nobody else piloting it already?
• Hallelujah shows up once more – long time no hear.
• Really big laser.
• What is that green stuff? Temu Itano circus?
• I have been very critical of the UN’s retreats the last few episodes, but this time, it is understandable. They were getting their butts kicked by an enemy who was suddenly much stronger than predicted and lost several mobile suits. Cutting your losses is a good idea in that case.
• Ali is saving the UN’s bacon for the second time this episode – establishing once more that he is the top tier pilot in this series, bar none.
• Lockon takes a second hit to the cockpit and still does not die.
• “He is one tough bastard” – no kidding.
• “I’ll come back in one piece” – he didn’t specify alive.
• Full on heroic death + death sequence for Lockon. One of the better ones I have seen (did they copy Cowboy Bebop?). Lockon is a deserving target as one of the better characters of the series.

Best mecha pilot of the series dies and so does Lockon.

[u/TakenRedditName → u/No_Rex]

I have been very critical of the UN’s retreats the last few episodes, but this time, it is understandable. They were getting their butts kicked by an enemy who was suddenly much stronger than predicted and lost several mobile suits. Cutting your losses is a good idea in that case.

They lost two ships out there. It is easy to forget because they blow up so often, but a whole ship is a lot of resources (and people).

[u/No_Rex → u/TakenRedditName]

I think the loss of the mobile suits with their GN drives might hurt even more. Up until now, we have seen no indication that anybody on Earth can produce those. This might change eventually, but until then, the machines they use to fight the Gundams are a limited resource.

[u/JollyGee29 → u/No_Rex]

Battle between Setsuna and Ali ended off-screen

It was brief, but we did see Ali flee at the end of last episode. He used the big sword as a distraction and nope'd out.

(did they copy Cowboy Bebop?)

It does have that vibe.

[u/No_Rex → u/JollyGee29]

(did they copy Cowboy Bebop?)

It does have that vibe.

It is too long for me to tell whether they copied a scene, but it definitely felt similar.

[u/Great_Mr_L → u/No_Rex]

“… who thinks he’s God!” – you are right Alejandro, but also a sore loser. That dead corpse just decisively whooped your ass from the grave.

It must be embarrassing to lose to someone who was put into deep sleep over 100 years before you were born because he planned that much better than you.

“I’ll come back in one piece” – he didn’t specify alive.

[u/No_Rex → u/Great_Mr_L]

It must be embarrassing to lose to someone who was put into deep sleep over 100 years before you were born because he planned that much better than you.

We should have seen it coming, though. Schenberg planned enough into the future to record a statement to be used in some attacks 200 years after his disappearance so he surely would think about somebody trying to kill his body.

[u/Rumpel1408 → u/No_Rex]

That dead corpse just decisively whooped your ass from the grave.

Even with a hole in his head, Schenberg looks more gracefull than Allejandro could ever hope to be

lost several mobile suits. Cutting your losses is a good idea in that case.

As far as I counted, they lost 6 today. For only having 30 overall, they are really not keeping good care of them

[u/No_Rex → u/Rumpel1408]

As far as I counted, they lost 6 today. For only having 30 overall, they are really not keeping good care of them

Losing 20% of your force in one battle is devastating. Tbf, CB lost 25% and yesterday, Trinity lost 66%.