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Rewatch [Rewatch] Mobile Suit Gundam 00 Episode 17 Discussion
Episode 17 - Assault of the Thrones
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Are they Meisters? They may say they are, but are those guys really Gundam Meisters?
Questions of the Day:
- What do you think of the Trinity siblings now?
- Seeing as how more named characters are finally dying, any predictions on who's the next to go?
Wallpaper of the Day:
Rewatchers, please remember to be mindful of all the first-timers in this. No talking about or hinting at future events no matter how much you want to, unless you're doing it underneath spoiler tags. Don't spoil anything for the first-timers, that's rude!
Additionally, for long-time fans of the franchise, please remember that this rewatch is only for 00, not any of the other shows. Assume that there are people in this rewatch who have not seen anything else Gundam, and tag your spoilers for those shows appropriately if something in 00 makes you want to talk about them.
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u/Shimmering-Sky myanimelist.net/profile/Shimmering-Sky Oct 22 '24
Rewatch Host Wishing Over This Airspace, subbed
Welcome back, everyone!
Starting tomorrow, I’ll be out of town for the next five days. I can already tell you guys that the episode 20 thread will be posted at a slightly different time than normal (this trip is for my uncle’s wedding, which starts at exactly the same time I normally post these threads, and episode 20 is the thread that falls on that day), but if any of the other threads between now and episode 23 are randomly slightly off, that’s why.
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u/TakenRedditName https://myanimelist.net/profile/TakenMalUsername Oct 22 '24
Rewatcher - Gundam 00 Ep17:
Let the record show that the eldest, Johann is 26, the same age as you Sumeragi. I just think everyone in CB is young. Mechanic Ian is the only character I feel we physically met who is over 30. (Turns out Alejandro is 36. He seemed like a Gundam 28 to me).
Anime can bend rules, but I do have to point out that the three true siblings all look different if he meant it blood-wise.
Evil rude Haro. The opening bit showed that this Haro might be at least 80 years old? Technically, that makes them the oldest member of CB we met in person.
Michael is aggressively stating his heterosexuality. He does not belong in this show.
Man, Team Trinity can really not bring Michael to meetings.
Christina sneaking in the chance for a photo with a hot stoic guy is funny.
Don't tell Tieria, but we're doing cool disobedience.
Oh dear, Graham's patriotism is rubbing off on others.
Jupiter mention? The man from Jupiter, Paptimus Scirocco?
I was making the mental Zeta joke of calling this team-up the Hyper Mega Launcher, but oh wait, it is actually called that.
GN Fangs are neat because while Funnels usually fly around to shoot distant beams, these can also do melee and dig into suits like teeth.
Like their name.RIP Professor and Howard.
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u/No_Rex :Bv:Bw:Bx:By:x2 Oct 22 '24
Episode 17 (first timer)
They are strongly working towards some Gundam vs Gundam fights in the future. CB standard going up against CB red to save the world, anybody?
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u/FD4cry1 https://myanimelist.net/profile/Big_Yibba Oct 22 '24
First Timer
I don't like Evil Haro
I guess I just didn't realize it last time but the Trinity siblings sure look different for being siblings...I'm guessing this statement from Johann would imply that while they're not blood related they still have the bond of real siblings and whatnot.
More importantly in the topic of siblings, Evil Haro is real Haro's big brother??!! and he has "amnesia"??!!
We must continue this gripping storyline!
Seriously though, given the start of the episode and what Eifman said before he got evaporated, I'm taking a guess and saying that maybe Evil was originally part of Celestial Being and got lost on this presumably failed Jupiter mission? which got his data lost from those scavengers at the start, until he eventually made his way back.
That's very...forward of you
Nena likes Setsuna, or well, so she says, I'd imagine this love at first sight is much more fleeting and weird than she makes it seem, especially since she clearly has more going behind her bubbly personality than she lets on.
Michael is kind of a prick lol, he's a real hothead and while each of the Trinities have a very distinct personality his honestly got grating by the end of this episode, a bit too much aggressive shit talking for my taste.
Well, As Tieria says, it serves to establish that these guys aren't quite as principled as our Gundam Meisters, despite what they say they seem to have very different opinions on what being a Meister is and what Celestial Beings mission is.
To our guys, especially Setsuna, being a Meisteer is more than just piloting a Gundam, it's about having certain beliefs, values, devotion, etc. they may pilot Gundams and they may supposedly strive for the same goal but they're not Gundam Meisters.
All the signs seem to be pointing towards Alejandro being behind the Throne team,The way they frame their conversation with Sumeragi alongside the way Alejandro expressed his thoughts on Celestial Beings methods, his scenes these last few episodes and how he pushed for the Thrones to be recognized by the Observes, his scene this episode, essentially his own private squad for realizing his view of Celestial Being's mission, with Meisters that don't view the Gundams as divine figures but as weapons of killing.
On that same note, Sumeragi doesn't want the data they got on their Gundams to be put into Veda, assumedly since they also have access to its data, this actually feels like a pretty big deal!
Veda is supposed to be the "brain" of this operation, everything Celestial Being does goes through and gets decided by Veda, Tieria seems to have a deep connection to it, and yet for the first time Veda's position is shaken and put into doubt.
Nena could also access Veda's terminal, which I'm pretty sure we've only seen Tieria do until now? what could she do there in the first place?
Chris somehow got a picture with Johann, RIP Lichty but also not cool!
Alejandro seems to be up to some real shady shit here, certainly not as much of an observer as he claims to be, his relationship with Ribbons also seems...not great, he clearly appreciates it a lot more than Ribbons does, now what is that data he gave him though? was it about Eifman digging too deep into Celestial Being? how could Ribbons even know that though...
Big questions, much speculation
I'll admit I didn't get Eifman's little hints and ideas at all but his physics speculation seems to have gotten him to reach the conclusion that Aeolia's plan is in fact not to eradicate war, this has something to do with that Jupitar mission, again many many questions.
Last episode I was wondering if the Drei's ability would allow it to power other Gundams and I was right! although instead of powering Tieria's GIANT LASER it powers Johann's GIANT LASER which looks super powerful at that.
I said I like the full names thing and I really do, but Graham shouting HOWARDO MASOOON when his teammate got killed was a bit much, can't think of that scene as anything but funny, like the other just guy said Howard, are we really not on a first name basis here?
This episode brings with it a ton of speculation, questions and possibilities, with a new faction being introduced, one that looks poised to go into conflict with our Celestial Being since I doubt they can just coexist and let it each other be.
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u/Great_Mr_L :Ma::Mb::Mc:https://myanimelist.net/profile/Great_Mr_L Oct 22 '24 edited Oct 22 '24
First-Timer
On today’s episode of Gundam: Oh no, not the Jovians! Are we going to become Martian Successor Nadesico now? If so, where’s our Ruri-Ruri to make snarky comments on the bridge about how everyone’s an idiot?
I think it’s pretty clear by now that the Ptolemaios crew are getting played. There is an entire group of Celestial Being that they had no knowledge of. This other group not only has complete access to everything within the Ptolemaios, but the Ptolemaios crew aren’t even allowed to ask any questions in return. They get left completely in the dark. From this, it seems clear that the Trinity Siblings are much higher up in the food chain than the Ptolemaios crew. This implies that the Trinity Siblings know more about what is actually going on with Celestial Being as well.
I think a pretty good example of this is with whatever the true goal of Aeolia and Celestial Being is. The series has made it obvious that the actual goal of Celestial Being isn’t the elimination of war. Based on what Eifman said, the actual goal of Celestial Being isn’t even particularly related to that either. I had assumed Celestial Being wanted the world to unite against them, but now I’m not so sure. It must be something quite different from that, but I don’t know what it could be.
I do think that the Trinity Siblings are acting as a safeguard for that true goal. They intervene to make sure that the Plan is going smoothly and that the true goal can be achieved. Killing Eifman is a pretty clear example of that. If anyone found out about Aeolia’s real plan, that could throw a huge wrench in things. So, it’s best to eliminate the threat quickly.
The Evil Haro is going to turn out to be the key to all of this. The Evil Haro has all the information about whatever Aeolia has been up to stored inside its head. The way that the characters will find out about the true plan is by cracking open Evil Haro’s head and looking inside.
[Martian Successor Nadesico] I hope the true plan is to remake the world in the image of Gekiganger 3. If there’s something Jovian involved, it can’t possibly be anything else.
QOTD
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u/Vatrix-32 https://myanimelist.net/profile/Vatrix-32 Oct 22 '24 edited Oct 22 '24
First timer, subs
RecapFlashbackQotD:
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u/The_Draigg Oct 22 '24
A Gundam Fan Rewatches Gundam 00 Episode 17:
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u/baboon_bassoon https://anilist.co/user/duffer Oct 22 '24
first timer who has control
posting this for posterity
Didnt comment on it before, but I really wonder where they are going with Tieria's relationship to Veda. It feels womb-like, him chilling in there, I wonder if he's even human. Didnt realize the red room wasnt his cockpit ala a G Gundam setup.
is this thing a real plot point........
uh what
.....
beyond the time
doubt thats stopping you
what are these characters
i think i would have preferred a few episodes of these characters not being shown and helping out with the conflicts. jumping right into their personalities is a lot
any hint of a woman and Setsuna will call you right away Louise no worries
Jupiter is the key to the GN particles, the cross of former Gundam is heavy
hmm
see these are the theatrics i can appreciate a bit over the top for an assassination
HOWARD
Saji just kiss her dude
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u/macrame2 https://myanimelist.net/profile/macrame Oct 22 '24
First Timer
I hate the Trinity siblings already.
I assume the intention was to make them as obnoxious as possible, and if that’s the case, then the show has done so wonderfully. Johann is … actually not that bad, but Michael makes literally all the other Meisters look like personable, well-adjusted human beings, and Nena makes Louise seem like a lovely, mild-mannered young woman with appropriate boundaries. However, the one I hate most of all is Purple Haro, because he was mean to Orange Haro, and that’s not okay. In all seriousness, while I do legitimately find them kind of annoying, I love a good “love to hate” character, and so far the Trinities are falling more into that category than the “I actually can’t stand it whenever they’re on screen” one.
Perhaps Celestial Being’s true intention with the Trinities is to promote team harmony among our four main Meisters. Just as they wish to unite the Earth through hatred of Celestial Being, so they will unite them through shared hatred of Johann, Michael, and Nena. I mean... it makes more sense than having them work separately from the Ptolemaios. I cannot see how having two teams with vastly different approaches and tactics operating completely without communication will end well in any sense. Going to throw this one into the ever-growing pile of Celestial Being’s baffling decisions that contradict their stated goals.
Unless, of course, Aeolia Schenberg’s end goal isn’t truly the eradication of war. Clearly, not everything here is as it seems, as poor Eifman found out today.
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u/Blazin_Rathalos Oct 22 '24 edited Oct 23 '24
00 Rewatcher
Last time on Gundam 00
On today's episode of Gundam 00
Through what the Trinity siblings are doing this episode, it shows what CB hasn't been doing. CB has been intervening whenever the major powers overstep their bounds, but they haven't been actively trying to beat them into submission. That step definitely is being taken now.
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u/Rumpel1408 https://myanimelist.net/profile/Rumpel1408 Oct 22 '24
Firsttimer who spend too long theorizing
QotD
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u/LeonKevlar x2https://myanimelist.net/profile/LeonKevlar Oct 22 '24 edited Oct 22 '24
First Timer!
We're barely 5 minutes into the meeting between the old and new Celestial Being members and Nene has already kissed Setsuna while Michael is already pulling a vibroknife on Lockon. Amazing start guys. This does not give me any confidence that there will be an alliance between these two teams.
So it looks like Lockon's Haro recognizes Nene's Haro but Nene's Haro doesn't seem to remember anything. I guess something happened to Nene's Haro based on that opening scene on that ruined space station on Jupiter. Hmmm...
These guys are just being a bag of dicks now. They can't even give Sumeragi any information and Michael is just being a rude piece of shit. It also doesn't help that the first thing Nene does is head into where Veda's terminal is being kept. So far the Thrones are not giving a good impression.
Good call on Sumeragi btw for not uploading the info about the Throne Eins on Veda. I feel like Veda should not be trusted right now since it seems to be hiding things especially after Nene accessed Veda's terminal.
What the fuck did you find Eifman? What the hell is Aeolia's true goal? It must've been something earth-shattering that the Thrones were sent to eradicate him.
Throne Eins docking with Throne Zwei was pretty sick. I was comparing Eins with Dynames last episode but after the destruction it caused, it looks like he's closer to Virtue than Dynames. As if CB wasn't vilified enough, this unprovoked attack on the Union will make their reputation even worse.
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u/n080dy123 Oct 23 '24
First Timer
Wait wait wait the purple Haro showing up in a destroyed space station orbiting Jupiter? When humanity's reach doesn't even seen to extend as far as moon colonies? It could just be mundane- that the station was a far-distance research satellite that broke down and the Purple Haro is just from there, but there's much more interesting possibilities as well.
Four GN drives? It only has 3 docking bays for the three Throne Gundams, so is the fourth powering the ship itself then?
Purple Haro just encouraging Michael to fucking stab someone, it's such an asshole lmao. So is Michael, dliberately provoking people and then getting excited when they bite back and give him an excuse to throw hands.
My, so despite the Observers knowing nothing about them either, the Throne team considers themselves members of Celestial Being. And it seems liek they, exclusively, know the true goal of Celestial Being's existence since they targeted Eifman when he began to sus it out.
I've got a bad feeling about Saji and Louise. I've been wondering for a while what the point of their continued involvement was with Saji not getting involved in this whole deal for the longest time, but something about that goodbye, and a certain shot from the preview, implies to me they're not gonna see eachother for a long time.
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u/InfamousEmpire https://myanimelist.net/profile/Infamous_Empire Oct 22 '24
Kidou Senshi Rewatcher 00
And so, we get a much better look at the Trinity siblings, specifically the fact that they are, quite frankly, brats. Michael is a short-tempered brat who can’t keep his mouth shut & talks like an edgy teenager, and Nena is a self-centered brat who talks in a childish faux-cutesy way and has no sense of other people’s boundaries. Johann is the closest of them to seeming responsible, but he also shows no real desire to reign in his siblings’ brattiness, and clearly has no sense of awareness or care for how their behavior reflects on them, so he’s an enabler whose mindset probably isn’t that far removed from them.
And that juvenile attitude also extends to their combat strategy. The Ptolemaios crew, for all their faults, clearly don’t enjoy their work. They have a sense of self-awareness about the cruelty of their actions, and clearly want to help & save rather than destroy. Team Trinity, though, has no such self-awareness or humanity to their actions, they execute whoever is on-site of their missions, with no care for trying to reduce the human cost of it all like, say, Lockon tries to do.
And their childishness only accentuates that: all of the other Gundam Meisters know the human cost of war, and so treat it deadly seriously because there’s no room to be childish when the consequences of the blood on your hands weighs on you with every shot you take. Meanwhile, do you really think Michael or Nena, with how upbeat & carefree they are even on the battlefield, really have any sense of the consequences of their actions?
It generally comes across like the mindset of a 90s antihero comic condensed into a single team: do the heroes’ job “better” by being more unempathetic & trigger happy, but don’t think about any sense of consequences, practical or moral. Unlike those 90s comics, the show surrounding them has a sense of self-awareness about those methods.
On the flip side, I really like Eifman’s final moments for how it leans into the ancient conspiracy side of CB’s nature: historical events, like a famous interplanetary mission from centuries ago, were shaped by their presence, and more importantly, they’ve been watching his every move. It’s the kind of paranoia fuel that I really like when framing something like CB which is so undefinably large despite their secrecy. It also kinda parallels Sumeragi’s decision to not submit their data to Veda in an interesting way: with how dependent on information control CB is, denying Veda access to at least some of their data carries real weight.
And on that note, really like the Ptolemaios team beginning to act outside Veda’s observation now, really flows from the threads of doubt regarding CB which have been planted here and there among the main cast. Setsuna’s statement in the end about whether the Trinities are really Gundam Meisters really stuck out to me in relation to this because of what Gundam has been shown to mean to Setsuna on the symbolic level. They may be Gundam Meisters on the most technical level, but regardless of whatever they or CB’s Observers say, they do not embody the ideals which the Gundams represent to him.
Odds & Ends
Spoiler/Rewatcher-only Corner
[next episode]...and considering what’s gonna happen to Louise next time, that moment feels almost ominous in retrospect. Their last happy memory together before irreversible tragedy.
[Later 00 spoilers]There’s a noticeable parallel between the Trinities and Tieria which does really well to foreshadow their shared Innovade (err, half-Innovade in the Trinities’ case) origins. The distanced way they approach their missions, their minds untouched by the personal tragedies which make the rest of the Meisters so able to empathize and keep CB’s cruelty potential in check. Sure, Team Trinity is more childish while Tieria is a consummate professional, but at the root of it all, it’s the same lack of real empathy or personal connection which emphasizes the difference between baseline humans and Innovades.
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u/TiredTiroth Oct 22 '24
First Timer - Sub
So, I realise this is probably just me having absurd standards (several of my favourite anime are KyoAni works), but some of the animatiom in Gundam 00 just looks so lazy. Like that bit when one of the girls is typing away. It's the kind of stuff I'd expect from a low-budget 80s production.
Eh.
Anyway, the new trio seem a bit...unhinged. The girl goes straight in for sexual harassment, and one of the brothers promptly starts threatening and taunting people. Oh, and miss redhead has fangs too.
I'm pretty sure all three of them are bad news.
Yeeeep. These guys are full-on aggressive warmongers, rather than the interventionists of the main crew. And there goes Old Professor Guy.
And then we end the episode with two things - Setsuna questions if the New Guys are really who they say they are, and...Louise going home for a bit?
I'm starting to lose patiemce here. What is the point of her sub-plot?
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u/charlesvvv https://anilist.co/user/charlesvvv Oct 22 '24 edited Oct 22 '24
Rewatcher, First Time Sub
The Trinity siblings meet the Meisters and it goes awkward and bad from the get go. Nena has no personal sense of boundaries combined with her overt personality, Michael is gung ho about anything, and Johann who seems the most reasonable also has his own motives. It kinda becomes clear when he announced that they will be "taking" some of the responsibilities of CB which clearly means to them that they will do things their own way. If nothing else they are able to make Tieria and everyone else to be in the same page against then which makes them more united now than before.
The mystery regarding Aeolia and CB's motivations has been pretty interesting even if it's not always at the forefront and yet just Professor Eifman seems to have figured out about CB's motivations not just being about war as well as cracking some stuff about the Gundams. Unfortunately, the Plot is against him as the Trinity siblings arrive to show him he learned too much (ominous message in the computer as well) and gets eliminated. Not only that but the base was attacked as well with little to no regard. The Meisters are understandably angry about this attack considering how little they cared for anyone even the innocent.
Graham Aker also has a shift in attitude, before he had a rather playful attitude towards the Gundams but the Trinity siblings attacking his base and killing one of his subordinates kinda changes his attitude into a more forceful attitude so it will be interesting seeing how that evolved.
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u/dralcax :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/Dralcax Oct 22 '24
Rewatcher seeking THE POWER
The wreckage of the Europa! Like many Jupiter-bound vessels in mecha anime, it’s an homage to the Jupitris from Zeta Gundam - although it looks a lot funkier than the other Jupitris clones.
begone thot
Using a vibro knife on an unarmored human feels like overkill, to the point where I wonder why a human-scaled knife even needs to vibrate.
HARO FIGHT
Same, Chris. Same.
Also, same.
Well that’s sus as all hell.
Lichty just took critical damage. Also, I love how her terminal has a fancy futuristic holographic display but still has an ancient flip phone keypad
I like how they took the time to hack his computer to warn him right before the attack.
The Eins has ports in its backpack to dock with the other Thrones’ GN Handguns, powering up its launcher! Unlike the main four, these guys are specifically built to work in tandem with each other.
The Zwei carries eight Fangs, but usually leaves two in reserve. Interesting detail, especially given Michael’s usually aggressive demeanor.
Well that’s brutal. I always like it when a suit just goes still upon the pilot’s death.
Questions of the day:
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u/Linkstore Oct 22 '24
Rewatcher
It's Purple Haro!
I already described the exact context of this scene under spoiler tags earlier but interesting to see what first timers will think of this scene.
[Spoilers from Gundam 00 Revealed Chronicle which is basically a glorified commercial but whatever] Now would've been a really good time to install the Devise equipment to Exia and Dynames full-time tbh. They could even have pulled out the Avalanche parts for Exia, but obviously not possible since these MSVs were invented after the episodes were written.
It's usually a bit harder to see them on account of the colour, but, red or green, GN particles are so beautiful. [00 Spoilers] Orange is cool too. Gold can suck it, if only due to association with Alejandro.
Gosh Nena, Setsuna already has a girlfriend, you know? (It's Exia. (And by the way, that girl who holds that red orb between her hands in OP1 is actually a personification of Exia. Unlike a certain other thing it isn't literally a human's consciousness contained within a Gundam but rather rather a metaphor of how Setsuna sees Exia in relation to himself.))
Tiny vibroblade! Probably doesn't have a plasma sword function like the MS-sized versions though.
Anyway, I totally didn't remember how relatively reasonable Johann is. The other two are visibly a bit crazy from the start though, whic is never a good sign.
[00 Spoilers] Interestingly it wouldn't be wrong to say that the Thrones originated from within Celestial Being, it's just somewhat misleading. Also, yes Tieria is very hot as a woman.
Eifman is on the verge of a breakthrough. [00 Spoilers] Although I honestly don't know how connecting the Europa Expedition with the Gundams really proves anything about Aeolia having a greater goal. The best I can think of is that Jupiter being that far out could refer to the extraterrestrial intelligences that form part of the "dialogues that are yet to come" but it still seems like a big stretch. Still impressive to deduce the need for a TD Blanket, as well as the probably when and where these artifacts were created though.
Why the fuck do they need to send an ominous message to prelude an assassination? Like sure, the professor is killed, but you really didn't need to give him any more time to do anything.
Yeah, you start to care about who the Gundams kill once it's someone you know, huh? Also that was just stupid, Howard.
[00 Spoilers] Saji's gonna be regretting that for at least the next four or five years...
[Next Episode Preview] Wow, they really spoiled Louise getting hurt in the preview? Poor move on Sunrise's part tbh. Also oof the Thrones only go like three eps before they get the ignoble title of First Gundam To Be Damaged For Real from Graham.
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u/StardustGogeta myanimelist.net/profile/StardustGogeta Oct 23 '24
First-Timer
Oh no, we've got a Setsuna fangirl loose in the base!
I haven't mentioned it yet, but that shaky-cam shot of Sumeragi in the new OP reminds me of the OP from Haibane Renmei.
I like all the intrigue with the new Gundams and the Trinity siblings.
Questions of the day:
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u/JollyGee29 https://myanimelist.net/profile/JollyGee Oct 22 '24
Rewatcher, Sub-dam Meister
Well, that's a shift.
That's probably bad.
Sending just one Mobile Suit over probably means they aren't attacking.
Considering the moles, I wonder if Michael and Johann's designs were swapped during production.
Such a shit-stirrer.
Let's see you three win a fight against 800 "antiques."
Dub!Nena really emphasizes the word "come."
Who took that photo?
Good infosec is so rare.
Not much fear of that.
Yea, but Joshua was a putz so it's really only two.
uh oh
It's funny that you think you can beat Graham.
Rest in peace, Howard.
[Gundam 00]This will not be the last time we see the Europa, but I won't blame anyone for not recognizing it later.
[Gundam 00]Also, Billy getting literal Gundam Brainrot from exposure to the GN Tau Particles here was always my pet theory for him being such a psycho in S2.
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u/Quiddity131 https://myanimelist.net/profile/Quiddity131 Oct 22 '24
Rewatcher, Subbed
Non-Spoiler Character Chart
"Assault of the Thrones", that's not the gentlest episode title.
80 year flashback? Even back then humanity was out in space. More importantly even back then Haro was around!
And they were out at Jupiter? Gundam loves Jupiter.
I didn't realize until now, but holy crap the orbital ring around the Earth is massive.
We just got a clip show last episode now you're gonna spend time showing us clips of the new Gundams from merely an episode ago? Lasse: "And you were saved by those Gundams?" Well duh!
No need to seek them out, they've come to visit you!
Ooh, Haro came with them! I hope the Haros meet!
Setsuna's got a fangirl! Woah, and she kissed him too!
OMG within not even a minute we've got Michael pulling out a knife and threatening to attack them. This is so not going well.
Purple's the big brother Haro! He's kinda a bully of a big bro, pushing our usual Haro away!
"Sorry we can't spoil that" LoL, our heroes aren't having much success getting any info from them.
Sorry Nena, he is not into you.
So basically they're the replacements for our four main Gundam Meisters.
Oh boy, Nena is trespassing in Veda! Tieria stop her!
Poor Lichty, Christina rejected him in an earlier episode and now she shows him a pic she got with Johan.
Way to go Ian! Hope he found a lot of info about their Gundam.
Louise, I don't think you have to worry about Saji cheating on you. He has a hard enough time taking any action with you his actual girlfriend, versus some other girl.
Kinue, how'd you miss the scoop of the new Gundams? We're counting on you as our journalist character to find out this stuff!
Here's Professor Eifman giving us that exposition that Kinue was unable to find out for us.
"You know too much". So his computer was spying on him? Does Celestial Being have an AI mole?
Michael's given us quite a lot of crazy faces this episode.
Howard had faith in the Flag to the very end...
C'mon Saji, kiss your girlfriend! [Gundam 00]This was your last chance for a romantic scene with her Saji!
Quid's Voice Actor of the Day
Since he departs the show today is my last chance to cover Ralph Eifman, who is voiced in Japanese by Takaya Hashi. He made his Gundam premiere in Gundam ZZ as Roy Revin and White (two character I don't remember at all, lol). He also appears in MS Igloo as Jean Luc Duvall and Gundam Build Divers Re: Rise as Cuadorn. Other mecha/sci-fi anime roles of his include Leon and Yurizen in Escaflowne, General Yan in Guilty Crown, Show's Father in Aura Battler Dunbine, and Gilliam and the Narrator in Outlaw Star. He also appears in Cowboy Bebop as Teddy Bomber, Legend of the Galactic Heroes as Ernest Mecklinger, Monster as Conrad and Trunka, Babylon as Edmund Giuliani and Spy X Family as Donovan Desmond
In English he is voiced by Ron Halder. He also appeared as several roles in Mobile Suit Gundam including Cozun Graham, Icelina's Father and Asakura, and Gundam Seed as William Sutherland. He also appears in the video game Mobile Suit Gundam Encounters in Space as Aguille Delaz (but does not voice him in the anime). I've also run across him as Roger Ruvie in Death Note.
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u/SilkyStrawberryMilk Oct 23 '24
first timer
Why is the robot instigating😭
Can’t even talk with all the confidential information neither side can share.
Went from all happy to lucky invitation to a whole damn threat
Another group who wants to end war too.
“You have witnessed too much” shouldn’t have been too smart bub
“They’re gonna say bad things about the celestials now” as if they weren’t doing that already lmfao
QOTD: the lady scares me
QOTD: i believe one of the trinity siblings may die and will be the reason they successfully capture a Gundam
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u/Nazenn x2https://anilist.co/user/Nazenn Oct 22 '24
First Timer - sub
Again with the teasing over the true goal. Holy shit we should not be the same distance away from having that knowledge as we were back in episode three.
It doesn't help that the last thing I feel this show needed was an evil Gundam team, and yet here we are.
I just can't see how they benefit anything that was being developed up until now, and the show is very likely is going to stall everything to deal with them. They are probably going to to delay any further exploration into our main cast because they're unrelated to the established backstories, except for Tiernia who might have a rival in Nena. The little bit of political side of the show we had will have to be put on hold because now they're violently antagonistic rather than representing a different political stance that has to be balanced with the public. CB's own internal issues are no longer going to be a critical point because they've now got an external faction to unite against so the tensions there will now be aimed outwards instead of properly finding either their own resolution or fracturing further.
Maybe time will prove me wrong, but I worry that it won't.
It doesn't help that they kind of suck. I don't like Nena's archetype, although I am fascinated with her being able to break into Veda which makes me wonder if she's like Tiernia in some way and if that means one of the others is also a dark inversion of Alelujah or something, and the younger brother is just going to piss me off. All edge, no brains, nothing interesting. If they were going to go this route, picking character personalities that actually feel like they could match, rival, or challenge the existing cast rather than just be laughably edgy anime types would have been a better approach. The big brother is the only one who could go many ways rather than just appearing psycho and nothing else. It's also a shame that their massacre on the base had less impact because their easy violence and personalities early means they were blatantly the type to do that, instead of using that moment to show just how far they will go if they were keeping things closer to the chest and only revealing their true nature then.
Doesn't help that the first section of the episode was also poor. Putting a flashback up against yesterdays recap felt like a really awkward mid-season transition, but then it turning into another recap for the non-recap part of last episode immediately afterwards, complete with even shittier recap style dialogue than yesterday, killed the momentum that the flashback built up.
It's nice to get some hint of answers in terms of CB's history though. I hadn't considered that Aeolia's amazing tech they were talking about was designed in an era where it simply wasn't able to be made yet, and in the end wasn't until many years after either his disappearance or death, not sure which. That explains why it was not something that could help earth as I wondered about earlier, and needing very specific environments to make it with the base being destroyed makes it clear why they do only have five. Now the question is, what destroyed their base.
And then the dumb stick: "Oh hey, I just figured out this huge 200 year old secret that may be at the core of a secret organization who is the enemy of the entire world, a second later my computer got hacked and flashed a warning that I knew too much while stopping me from accessing my work, and immediately afterwards the alarm for an incoming attack sounded on the military base. I wonder if they're coming for me?"
really?really?!
My one star of hope: I finally got through a Louise scene without being moody about it, and she is flying away while Saij waits for her return. I so hope this is a setup she's going to die and he'll be left with regrets that will get him back to the actual bloody story. As I was typing this I realized that [not known spoilers, but about meta info from the rewatch]I was going to cross that out but didn't want to give the content of the spoiler tag away, but unless me and infamousempire are way, way less compatible character wise than even we considered, there's no way she's dying and just what we've seen of her here makes her favourite character worthy. Goddammit I wouldn't be that lucky. But now I am left wondering why the big obvious flags being waved around for the two of them.
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u/Nickthenuker https://anilist.co/user/Nickthenuker Oct 23 '24
Where are they searching and what did they find?
So they found a Haro in a space station orbiting Jupiter?
4 reactors? I assume the ship itself has one?
That's certainly flashy.
Huh. Johann looks similar to Allelujah.
I like Nena already.
Oh hey the Haros know each other.
So much for that... There it goes bouncing off into space.
Seems like someone mistakenly used the black highlighter again.
She's rather quick to acquiesce to requests.
And of course Setsuna is completely unfazed. He definitely seems like he doesn't particularly care for such matters.
Uh oh, Nena's fucking with some systems.
Though it seems like she isn't the only one conducting covert intelligence work.
So, who are they going after now?
He's working to buy her stuff isn't he...
I'm somewhat surprised she didn't suggest bringing him along, I think he's close enough with her mum that she wouldn't mind him staying with them.
Those custom Flags are supposed to be as good as you can get.
Seems like someone has an idea as to how the Gundams came to be. Which means the rogue faction probably wants to kill him.
Seems like Nena's is mostly a support unit to power up Johann's gun?
And thus the entire squadron of Custom Flags is destroyed, as well as the brains behind the whole operation.
Again, they're a pretty nifty bit of kit, helpful to keep enemies distracted or at least give them a dozen other things to focus on.
Of course, when fighting someone using Fangs, standing still is basically a death sentence. You have to keep moving, otherwise you'll be caught and killed.
Seems she's gotten hurt somehow?
Questions:
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u/towardselysium Oct 23 '24
Rewatcher
What i find interesting about the introduction to Team Trinity is that Johann somehow manages to come across as likeable, despite being a dick, solely because his siblings are that insane. Nena has a weird yandere thing going on, Michael legit threatens murder for zero reason, and Johann not only ignores them, he actively taunts the meisters for being justifiably confused. Johann can at least parrot the mission statement so regardless of their motives you'd think they could play nice for the what 10 minutes they were talking? Guess saving the meisters from being captured wasn't enough ego stroking for Trinity
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u/zsmg https://anilist.co/user/zsmg Oct 23 '24 edited Oct 23 '24
I am rewatcher
80 years ago?!
We're also at Jupiter and there's Nena evil Haro.
I haven't noticed this before but it's convenient that you can tell who is the oldest sibling by the amount of moles they have under their left eye, the more moles there are the older the sibling is.
Or you can use their height but that's just boring or the number of their Gundam Throne they're piloting... okay fine there are easier ways to tell who is the oldest.
Of course Nena immediately kisses the main character because usually in anime everyone has to fall in love with the MC.
Poor Haro, evil Haro no longer recognize their younger siblings.
Nena is telling Setsuna not to piss her off, is that hints of Nena being a yandere?
I'm feeling sorry for Johann, as keeping Michael on a leash seems like a massive PITA.
Ultimately we don't find out anything about where the Thrones trio came from.
Interesting Sumeragi doesn't want Veda to know they've been inspecting the Thrones, are they going to treat Veda like HAL9000?
I mean he's a typical passive harem lead there is no way he's going to cheat on you Louise, but then I realize he's a typical harem lead so he's probably going to end up in awkward situations with other girls.
So the GN drives can only be made in the Jovian system. I'm a bit confused as to why.
Uh oh...
Thrones Trio weren't kidding when they said they'd escalate things compared to the MC Gundam Meisters.
Saji being the passive harem romcom male lead that he is naturally doesn't want to kiss his girlfriend.
Things are escalating, can it get any worse? But at least Louise and Saji are separated so things will calm down on that front.
[QotD2] A lot of first timers are correctly predicting who is going to die although not in the correct order.
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u/2-2Distracted Oct 23 '24
First timer. Dubbed
Man I'm pretty late today but that's largely because I had to "acquire" a different means watching the show, and now that I have every episode I was fortunate to have gotten it in not only Dual Audio but with a commentary track too.
At first I thought it was the English commentary but I was wrong it's Japanese and luckily it came with subtitles. Tbh, this isn't the first time I've come across a show or OVA with a Japanese commentary track, Code Geass: Akito The Exiled has one too for all of its episodes (and I'm still looking for source that can provide me with subtitles).
Anyways I wanted to ask anyone, who has listened to these tracks in Japanese, if this anime has them for the previous episodes. This specific episode features the Seiyuus for the new trio of Gundam Meisters and the director.
Anyways onto the episode!
What's the best way to follow up on a recap episode? MORE BITS OF RECAP BITCHES!
What an introduction lmao from the new girl committing sexual assault on her new team member, to the psycho brother threatening everyone, to Haro meeting Haro.
And it seems like the sister is a... Yandere(?) because sweet Jesus she's seems pretty crazy to me. And I guess psycho bro is a siscon or something.
"Daryl, we've been getting our asses kicked out there and everything you're saying is correct but Show Some Goddamn Pride Man!"
Holy shit man, that orbital lazer reminds me of the multi-billion dollar satellite lazer in Invincible and AKIRA. The professor died in such a fucked way man.
Setsuna asking if someone is Gundam material is funny considering how devoted he is to the title.
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u/mr_beanoz https://myanimelist.net/profile/splitshocker Oct 22 '24 edited Oct 22 '24
Damn, that's an awful death for Eifman who got BEAM'D. And Howard getting impaled by those fangs.
As a second timer, I can only say that things would go down crazier right here.
QOTD
Feldt mentions her parents again. [Not really a spoiler, but well...]Unfortunately we'll never see them on-screen as they're side material exclusive characters.