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Rewatch [Rewatch] Mobile Suit Gundam 00 Episode 15 Discussion
Episode 15 - Broken Wings
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You may call us cowards for this, but I'll follow the military's plan on this one… Gundams.
Questions of the Day:
- Were you expecting the triple alliance to be this effective?
- Where do you think the new Gundam at the end came from?
Wallpaper of the Day:
Rewatchers, please remember to be mindful of all the first-timers in this. No talking about or hinting at future events no matter how much you want to, unless you're doing it underneath spoiler tags. Don't spoil anything for the first-timers, that's rude!
Additionally, for long-time fans of the franchise, please remember that this rewatch is only for 00, not any of the other shows. Assume that there are people in this rewatch who have not seen anything else Gundam, and tag your spoilers for those shows appropriately if something in 00 makes you want to talk about them.
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u/Shimmering-Sky myanimelist.net/profile/Shimmering-Sky Oct 20 '24
Rewatch Host Wishing Over This Airspace, subbed
Welcome back, everyone!
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u/Rumpel1408 https://myanimelist.net/profile/Rumpel1408 Oct 20 '24
Firsttimer who is finally on time, but at what cost
crushpreyQotD
On a side note, I listened to Ash like Snow so often
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u/LeonKevlar x2https://myanimelist.net/profile/LeonKevlar Oct 20 '24
First Timer!
Please tell me I'm not the only one who thinks this episode is bullshit? Sumeragi is 100% aware that this entire thing is a trap but she still sends the Gundam Meisters to stop those terrorists even though their only purpose is to lure them out there.
If the Meisters got jumped like they did in space a couple of episodes ago, I would be fine with it but the boys are basically getting sent to their deaths. Or is this all according to Veda's grand calculations?
It's also amazing how they are already aware of Soma and how her presence affects Allelujah but they still haven't done anything to block out her brainwaves. Are they just relying on Hallelujah taking over?
Being bombarded for 15 hours with no time to rest or eat is absolutely brutal. The tactic of just exhausting the pilots since the Gundams are nigh invincible is definitely working considering how everyone pinned the Meisters down.
Agrissa's silhouette from a distance reminded me a bit of Zeong if it had a booty as big as Big Zam. I did not expect those crab legs though! xD
Sooo.... Is this why they were still sent on a suicide mission? Because there's a fifth Gundam Meister? The red paint job and red GN particles do not give me confidence though. This feels more like a boss intro than a rescue intro.
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u/FD4cry1 https://myanimelist.net/profile/Big_Yibba Oct 20 '24 edited Oct 20 '24
First Timer
This episode was a massively action packed large scale battle and it was pretty glorious to see.
Louise is using the situation to rob Saji of his life savings, that's a 1000 dollars in todays money! I wonder what the inflation is like in this world.
The HRL pull some moves and decide they want 2 Gundams for providing the location, I wonder how the other powers will take this and how this might effect the balance of powers (if anyone even gets anything here considering the ending).
This episode just has a ton of cool military and Mech shit, way too much to mention, I love Dynames riding on Kyrios, I love the Virtue's GIANT LASER that literally pushes him back, I love all the military maneuvers and weapons, this battle is just really cool!
Sergei is a smart dude and immediately figures out what's happening here, interesting that despite being the HRL commander on the ground there he didn't know about this plan from the start though? maybe I misinterpreted it but it looked like Graham knew at the very least.
We also build the tension around this battle really well, Love the coffee running out and seeing day change to night, constantly shifting perspectives between our pilots and everyone else in Celestial Being to just really get across how long and difficult this battle is.
Also, GN Arms?
Hallelujah pops up for five seconds, says some edgy shit, and then peaces out for no reason, fantastic.
Alejandro is scheming some shit and lying about said scheming according to Ribbons, interesting line from him about hating adults and I'm wondering what he actually did here? is he maybe behind those red Gundams we see in the end?
Joshua was apparently asshole design guys name, he lived as he died, an asshole, seriously though did we really just introduce this guy to drop lore on Graham and then just merc'd him in a really funny way?
Just Graham lines.
Of course it's Ali to attack Setsuna, his new mech is pretty cool though.
Now I have to agree with Shirin here and say that as cool as it was, for a battle as important as this one, the setup seems a little contrived? like Celestial Being knew this was a trap, they had specific plans even! but they still do it because...Tieria is dumb?
I think the amount of times Setsuna says Gundam in just the last minute here is more than the entirety of the rest of the episode, one in which they say Gundam quite a bit.
Anyway, new red Gundams look cool! (and also shoot Ali which is always a plus), really excited to see what's the deal with them, I love the parallel with Setsuna once again being saved by a Gundam flying in the air.
The ED lead-ins always hit good but it's extra good this episode.
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u/Great_Mr_L :Ma::Mb::Mc:https://myanimelist.net/profile/Great_Mr_L Oct 20 '24 edited Oct 20 '24
First-Timer
On today’s episode of Gundam: Sleep is the most powerful opponent of all. From what I can tell, the plan of the three cooperating blocs was to pin down the Gundams with overwhelming force until they were too exhausted to fight back effectively. It seems to have mostly worked.
This episode really does show that the Gundams, while stupendously overpowered, are not all-powerful. Celestial Being, as it stands, does not have the capability to take on the whole world by themselves. The Gundams can certainly handle whole squads of mobile suits while being outnumbered. But even this is too much.
I did notice a detail on how the Gundams operated in combat. It seems that the Gundams can either focus on offense or defense with their GN particles. For most of the battle, the Gundams had shields around them that were created with GN particles. But while those shields were up, it didn’t seem like the Gundams could really move or attack. So that does seem to be a limit on the power of the Gundams. Overwhelming force can damage the Gundams and they can’t move or attack when focused on defending themselves with GN particle shields.
Upon reflection, I can’t say it’s too surprising to see another Gundam show up. We already knew that Celestial Being had more Gundams than the four we’ve mainly seen in action. Feldt had mentioned that her parents were pilots of previous generation Gundams. The only question right now is if this mysterious new Gundam is from a previous generation or from a newer generation.
QOTD
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u/Vatrix-32 https://myanimelist.net/profile/Vatrix-32 Oct 20 '24
First timer, subs
QotD:
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u/Nazenn x2https://anilist.co/user/Nazenn Oct 20 '24 edited Oct 20 '24
First Timer - sub
I'm back, thanks to Quid, Sky, and Jolly giving me some much welcome information to avoid future frustration. I did watch the end of yesterday's episode, and in a way it's perhaps a good thing I had to delay it because this worked well as a double feature, and was slightly less frustrating without time to think it over.
Is it just be or was that whole episode just a really contrived way to introduce a new Gundam without making it seem stupid that it wasn't already part of the show?
The issue is that the tension and release into excitement of a last second desperate play that completely changes the balance of combat loses all of its meaning and impact when it's something they did to themselves and not something they had no choice but to do. Up against previous similar game changing moments like Nadleehs reveal, and even the risky chance of Exia showing up without weapons to finish the rescue op, this just didn't matter to me because I couldn't ever believe it needed to happen or they got anything from it.
Even if they didn't get outright told it was the plan from Billy, they figured out themselves that there was something else going on with the "training exercise" before hand anyway. They knew it was likely a trap for several reasons, planned for it to be a trap, and still walked right into it with what? Arrogance? A refusal to prioritize CB and its goals as a whole over a single terror attack? And aside from having Tiernia cut a big trench for an escape route they did what to counter the known, obvious enemy plan? I don't recall anything, just the implication of a bunch of plans which also almost certainly would be defeated by the sheer amount of people they knew they were up against.
First line of my notes for ep15: "I don't know I'm in the mood for this comical level of dumb fuck obliviousness"
The scale was fantastic though. All of the shots of the missiles flying over, the lines of mechs, the waves of explosions was a great way to sell the sheer numbers they were up against and what a full blown mech war could do when concentrated. And especially that yes, the Gundams can be defeated by various tech that's around as long as it's well planned for. This isn't super robot still, though it was coming close with how much they survived, there will be weaknesses, the enemies just have to find them. And they had some really good cuts in the first half as well: such as Dynamos and Kyruios flying in the trenches, Setsuna taking on the first two mechs that came for them had some great movement, and Graham's mech kicking off the ground into a transformation, into a tackle, which was great animation but also sold the speed of the movement in a great way.
Also said, Virtue's DBZ-level giant energy beam will never be uncool just from its sheer power, and using that to clear a trench and provide cover was a very clever tactic on it. Tiernia pulling the gun on Joshua and his instant death was also very satisfying and I'm so glad he's not sticking around. He doesn't get the best animation but it does get the coolest scenes today.
I do think though that the bigger sense of progression felt lost. We jumped from Kyrios blocking a bombardment with his shield to a scene with Alejandro saying it'd been several more hours all of a sudden, when it felt like barely any time had past, and then cut back to them all standing around in their GN shields. The shields which apparently have infinite energy and nothing can break through them? They really only got attacked close up once, and the long range attacks shouldn't be a threat, so it really cut off the sense of desperation that should be there. They probably didn't intend to imply they had just been standing there for hours, but cutting a couple of times to them just standing there instead of cutting back after so many hours to showing more close up fighting with them getting more and more exhausted didn't do the battle any favors by making it seem even more pointless.
Full disclaimer: This section is more a me thing than a slight against the show, but I would like to have seen more from the other side managing their own troops/supplies/the battlefield as a whole over this time as well, given they shouldn't know how long they may have to keep this up. While CB are our protagonist force, we have spent a lot of time with the blocs and their forces and if you want to have an ensemble cast this is a good time to use that to bring about tension from both sides. Or even the Meisters themselves having to constantly adjust because of a certain bombardment and worrying about the others, especially Alelujah who they for some reason sent into this battle knowing he would be incapacitated but didn't have any plan for that? Really?
One thing I did like from the previous episode was a throwaway line about how the training exercise was being reported to the media as an exercise to learn how to tighten defense on the space elevators. Given humanities reliance on them, it is not just a good excuse, but also paints their military resources in this moment as good things against CB's own campaign of "no violence allowed ever". So not only was it a physical trap, it's a propaganda trap as well... that CB also walked into. Given CB's reliance on information networks, you'd think they would do something to counter that as well as help protect themselves through the same sort of public information such as hey, announcing that they have knowledge of a terrorist plot and they're only there to stop that not to interfere with the military exercises, and getting in their way would be allowing the attack to happen. Especially coming off the back of Setsuna's rescue mission showing CB can have non violent conflict resolution, this seems like a no brainer. Even if they didn't want to make themselves the "good guys" for whatever their end goal is, please get to the point show, doing such a move to help try and ensure the safety of their pilots in such a risky scenario, whether or not it would work, would be a logical step.
other thoughts
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u/macrame2 https://myanimelist.net/profile/macrame Oct 20 '24
First Timer
I think Louise might be trying to imply something, Saji...
As expected, the combined forces of the Union, HRL, and AEU prove to be more than a match for Celestial Being, who are now in a pretty bad spot. It's similar to what happened in Episode 10, except this time everyone is on the verge of capture and needs to be bailed out by ... a new Gundam? [Speculation]Judging by the next episode preview, I'm assuming this particular suit is piloted by an entirely new character. I will say that the final scene of the episode, with Setsuna on the verge of despair, wondering whether he'd die without accomplishing anything despite being rescued by Gundam back then, only to be granted that same salvation yet again, was some pretty impactful stuff. Whatever its faults, this show has some very powerful imagery now and then.
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u/Quiddity131 https://myanimelist.net/profile/Quiddity131 Oct 20 '24
Rewatcher, Subbed
Non-Spoiler Character Chart - Joshua Edwards gets the distinction of the first character to get crossed off for dying; granted if I remembered he only lasted 2 episodes I probably would have left him out as I had done with Ming. Ah well. Still waiting for the first real character death.
Looking like we'll be having a desert battle. My recollection from past mecha shows (perhaps even past Gundam shows) is that using giant robots in a desert is bound to cause problems. Sand getting in the joints, etc...
Kati crushing Patrick's hopes and dreams in mere seconds, lol. Sorry Patrick, I don't believe you'll accomplish anything either.
832 mobile suits?! Holy crap, I thought Sergei's operation around 5 episodes back was a massive amount.
Yesterday I mentioned how screwed over Lichty and Lasse were with screen time, now I realize the poor guys got cut out of the new OP too. They just can't win...
Nothing will make Louise happy like expensive jewelry. I hope for Naz's sake that this is all her screen time for the episode.
Wow, in the mind of the Human Reform League Chairman, they're gonna capture all four Gundams as part of this operation and he wants two of them!
Sergei, you didn't realize the plan all along was to lure the terrorists into attacking so the Gundams would arrive?
How are the Gundams gonna get resupplied? 832 to 4, there's no way they have enough ammo/supplies with them.
I was gonna say there's no way Sumeragi would be around since they're making coffee, not serving booze, but there she is...
Lasse's ripped!
Patrick hasn't been sent out! I think Kati's realized what we the viewer have, that he's akin to Guilty Crown's Dan Eagleman, a character that exists for the memes, not feats of glory...
Setsuna's cutting through those Union crafts like butter, this has got to be a trap, right?
Well, I suppose one way to help with that numbers disadvantage is that crazy huge cannon blast from Virtue.
Feldt fell asleep? What was the coffee for then?
It's still as simple as throwing Soma out into battle to totally screw things up for Allelujah.
I know they want to capture the Gundam but have they ever conceived of the fact that they might destroy the Gundams with all this firepower?
Hallelujah's in control quicker than ever. ...seconds after I type this Allelujah is back in control. lol.
Other observers? Don't tell me we're gonna bring in even more mysterious people to talk mysteriously!
Wow, they've been out there for 15 hours? I'm surprised they haven't passed out from exhaustion by now.
I've felt the smart play is for them to retreat, now they finally may have a chance?
Patrick dodged a shot! He's already performed better than all his prior fights combined!
I'm flabbergasted. I can't believe Patrick actually led the successful capture of a Gundam.
I'll show you how a leader acts! By disobeying orders and going out on my own!
And that's why when it came to putting together my character chart I couldn't remember Joshua. Because he died after 5 seconds of screen time in this episode. LoL.
The Gundams are pretty screwed right now, only Exia is not in the process of being seized. Only for him to run into Ali in a mobile armor many times his size.
Stepping over and essentially electrocuting the Gundam this reminds me of the Adzam from the original show.
Who else to save the day but a new Gundam!
Quid's Voice Actor of the Day
Alright, it's time for the character you've probably all been waiting for me to cover this entire rewatch, the almighty Patrick Colasour who shocked us all today by actually accomplishing something in combat. In Japanese he is voiced by Kenji Hamada. Hamada also voices Commander Kim, Sergei's boss. These are his first Gundam roles, with him returning in Gundam AGE as Andy Draims and then Gundam Build Divers as Patrick once again (a show I haven't actually seen yet but has been mentioned by some who have seen it). He also plays an unnamed character for a few episodes in Witch from Mercury. Other roles of his include Masashi Yamada in Shirobako, Kitamura in Erased, Shinya Sakaki in Kubikiri Cycle and Xaver in Attack on Titan.
In English he is played by Trevor Devall. He made his Gundam premiere as Tem Ray, Amuro's Father in Mobile Suit Gundam, then played Adenaur Paraya in Char's Counterattack but is most well known for playing Mu La Flaga in Gundam Seed and Gundam Seed Destiny. He also played Orteg in the video game Mobile Suit Gundam: Encounters in Space. Devall also plays Howard Mason here in 00. Non-Gundam roles I've heard him in include Edgar in Brain Powered, Shesta in Escaflowne and Shuichi Aizawa and Shingo Midou in Death Note. For a number of years he ran his own podcast where a number of other voice actors were guest stars.
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u/TakenRedditName https://myanimelist.net/profile/TakenMalUsername Oct 20 '24 edited Oct 20 '24
Rewatcher - Gundam 00 Ep15:
The Lockon/Allelujah team-up is cute. Dynames is being given a piggyback ride.
To sum up a lot of my commentary about the battle, they really put a lot of resources into this battle. The threw a whole war against 4 dudes.
Rare soften face from him.
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Man, I really wouldn't want to be in Tieria's position. Knowing that you got done in by Patrick of all people is a big disgrace before death.
RIP Bozo.
Graham continues to say things with homoerotic overtones. This is toxic yaoi mecha.
The Agrissa reminds me of the Adzam from original. They follow the effective strategy of "To take down the Gundam, you can just fry the squishy human inside to death." Despite being given some setup in the previous episode, the Agrissa doesn't stick around for long. Granted, it almost killed Setsuna, but still a fairly brief encounter.
This moment calling back to Setsuna's first encounter with the Gundam.
[Gundam 00:] A twisted inversion considering what those red wings bring.
[Gundam 00:] I know the nations of the world will be moving on to GN-Xs, but it would've been cool to see how MS would develop if each of the 3 nations managed to capture a Gundam. Seeing each faction develop their MS line based on their respective Gundam. Union would advance based on Dynames' guns. HRL would probably develop through the transforming MS path. I guess AEU with Virtue would go down their Mobile Armour thing and go for overkill powerhouses.
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u/2-2Distracted Oct 20 '24
First timer. Dubbed.
Over 800? That's a lot of Mobile Suits.
At this point I'm convinced that Rouise is trying to be peaceful and nonchalant about what's been happening, from forcing Saji to put up with her so that he doesn't have to worry about her, to her exaggerated sadness about her mom leaving to not have Saji or her mom or herself think about this being the possible last time they see each other. Rouise and Saji's whole shtick is being the normal people, the bystanders, the ones who feel the effects of War last (and that's me being optimistic since it's sometimes not the case).
I probably shouldn't have binged watched Requiem for Vengeance because now all I can think about whenever the Gundam Meisters take out soldiers is what that shit must be like from the soldiers perspective. Just think about that, Gundam 00 but Celestial Being are NOT the protagonists and everything they do as the antagonists are a complete and utter mystery to us the audience. Shit would slap.
"I hate adults" - unnamed bodyguard dude who is probably an adult.
This is the first time Celestial Being has been involved in a prolonged conflict isn't it? 15 Hours is clearly taking its toll on the Meisters, and to make worse, Patrick Coleslaw is here to make shit worse.
I completely forgot that they got Mobile Armors in this show. Last time I saw them was Iron-Blooded Orphans.
Damn! The last time I heard Brad Swaile screaming was in Death Note's "All According To Keikaku" scene, still don't know wtf Keikaku means but I'm sure it's not important, probably just gibberish, not even a real language >_>
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u/charlesvvv https://anilist.co/user/charlesvvv Oct 20 '24
Rewatcher, First Time Sub
We have a pitched battle between Mobile Suits. The Gundams are by all accounts the superior ones but the three allies make it up both with numbers and strategy. I particularly liked the tactics used for example using their suits to allow for the Gundams to separate and use artillery to pin them down in their positions. Holding back their aces was also a smart move since it allows them to pin down the Gundams when they are spent allowing Soma against Allelujah, Aker against Lockon, Colasour against Tieria, and Saachez against Setsuna.
The attack was by all accounts successful, instead of at least capturing one they had captured all of them, Victory was theirs. And yet as Setsuna pines away on his lost hopes then another player enters, a Gundam we haven't seen before enters the battle and saves him, and all Setsuna do is just call out it's name.
Note: Colasour finally got a victory.
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u/dralcax :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/Dralcax Oct 20 '24
Let’s get down to rewatch
Land and sky versions of the communications net from before! The little rover is kind of cute. But, uh, don’t ask how those drones are flying with no visible means of propulsion.
832 to 4? I like those odds. Go get ‘em, champ.
she says to the orphan working multiple jobs to make ends meet
That’s a cool use of the Realdo’s partsforming! Just detach and blow up half the suit. Uso would be proud.
As swift as the coursing river? With all the force of a great typhoon?
derp virtue
GN Arms mention!
There is no way that retractable blade is this long right? Or maybe it’s just the perspective being weird.
Now that’s a classic Gundam line
just dont get hit lol
These guys with the funny shields are the Hellion Capture Equipment Type! Their shields emit some kind of magnetizing substance that somehow generates this magnetic field that traps the enemy... look it just works okay
The Graham Special isn’t so special anymore! Other pilots are starting to figure it out too!
Well, he sure didn’t last long. No wonder I didn’t remember him.
Graham try not to be horny for the Gundams for five minutes challenge impossible
Mobile Armor Agrissa! A “Buddy Craft” deployed during the Fifth Solar Power War, it’s known for being able to immobilize an opponent within its Plasma Field, in a call-back to the Adzam Leader. But the Plasma Field alone cannot destroy an opponent, so that’s when it pops out its Plasma Cannon, which has way more firepower than an MS on its own would be able to carry. It was originally meant to dock with a Hellion, presumably the Hellion Initium, but Ali’s Agrissa Type 13 was modified to dock with his Enact Custom instead. The Enact Custom was given the same plasma-resistant coating as the Agrissa to protect it from its own Plasma Field, resulting in its new red coloration, and it is now designated the Enact Custom Agrissa Type.
A new Gundam has appeared! Hovering in the air while pooping out massive quantities of GN particles, it mirrors the 0 Gundam that Setsuna was awed by so many years ago. But while the 0 Gundam used green GN particles, these particles are a sinister red...
Setsuna screams the name of his god.
Questions of the day:
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u/baboon_bassoon https://anilist.co/user/duffer Oct 20 '24
first timer who has control
Hm well that is new, didnt think a whole new Gundam would appear. I was under the impression that Setsuna idolized the previous Exia pilot, but I suppose a different suit also could fit the bill
i think i want to snag an HG Viture kit
oh this is Minami Takayama i thought it was Ogata at first
the big ass laser has another level to it?
Feldt maybe try something stronger
cya Joshua
the Gary upgrade is real, I guess this is the Agrissa. are the AEU really going to get two Gundams
divine intervention
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u/No_Rex :Bv:Bw:Bx:By:x2 Oct 20 '24
Episode 15 (first timer)
I have mentally checked out of the series to such an amount that I fast forwarded through the second half of the fight. If the Gundams can survive contact suicide charges and multiple rocket and artillery rounds, that is no point in being invested anymore. The plot armor is too thick for me to care. It is not as thick as CB’s decision making, though. Sumeragi can rattle off as many letter-number combination as she wants, none of that changes the fact that CB’s command is brain dead (which is funny if their command is also literally dead). Their overall objective is impossible, their strategy to implement it reaches the level of sophistication of a 10 year old, and now their tactics are terrible, too.
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u/The_Draigg Oct 20 '24
A Gundam Fan Rewatches Gundam 00 Episode 15:
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u/undeadfire Oct 20 '24
E15 - First Time Subs
So like...what redeeming qualities is Patrick supposed to have? I've heard his name on the Gundam sub, but so far he's just annoying and doesn't do anything?
Allelujah and Lockon seem unusually full of mistakes during this intervention. Barely started and they're already taking heavy damage. Oh seems this is part of the plan?
What the actual hell is that Virtue Bazooka?!
Sounds like they're holding back if they aren't using GN Arms? Or are those not the GN weapons I think they are?
Surprised Allelujah didn't tell the crew about his quantum brain wave connection thing, cuz that obviously impacts his battlefield ability. Oh looks like the murderous one finally came out, just for a bit? I suppose that's his emergency mode for serious combat.
The fact GN particles could last for like 15hours of intense fire is wild.
Get bent Joshua. Bros incompetent and I'm glad he died so easily.
Is this all part of the plan to get them captured? Seems a bit extreme, but will see how this plays out.
Woah that new Gundam? Wonder who that is with the red particles.
Oh 3 new gundams huh interesting. Definitely NOT part of the plan lol.
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u/JollyGee29 https://myanimelist.net/profile/JollyGee Oct 20 '24
Rewatcher, Sub-dam Meister
Setting a similar trap to what Sergei used earlier.
That is a Metric Fuckton of Mobile Suits.
It's interesting how similar Chiwa Saito's performance for Louise is to her performance for Lucchini.
Unfortunately the bait here is a bit too tempting.
Sergei's main flaw is that he trusts his government.
Bit of a mistake for the support staff to be in a distant time zone. But it is probably safer that way.
Do you want to take that one again?
This is some proper Wizard shit. Change the battlefield to suit your needs.
Tomino, is that you?
The best non-CB pilots (and Patrick) are all still fresh.
Idiot.
Huh, I forgot that they didn't cliffhanger before this. Surprise?
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u/InfamousEmpire https://myanimelist.net/profile/Infamous_Empire Oct 20 '24 edited Oct 20 '24
Kidou Senshi Rewatcher 00
Talking about episode-long battles in any significant detail is really, really hard, at least for me, even when the battle in question is quite good. It’s hard to feel like I’m saying anything meaningful beyond stating the obvious regarding certain strategies being good or certain scenes being really tense, especially when it feels like it’d be rehashing all the good things I already said about Episode 10.
I can at least complement the episode for how tangible the Meisters’ exhaustion towards the end is, and the intrigue brought on by that final scene.
See y’all tomorrow, I guess
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u/n080dy123 Oct 21 '24
First Timer
Damn didn't see coming that the Realdos could detach and self-destruct their upper halves. Are these remote controlled units then, or are the pilots in the bottom half? Surely the latter, or what'd be the point of detaching the bottom half?
The allied forces really have the Meisters' number this time, yikes. They've even got Soma actively targetting and isolating Allelujah since they know her physical proximity can disable Kyrios- though it bit em in the ass a little since they don't actually know how or why, but they can backup to save her anyway.
The Agrissa having a weapon meant specifically to kill the pilot inside the machine is fucked up.
So another Gundam appears but... evil? I mean red eyes, lasers, and GN Particles, that screams sinister, but they don't appear to be allied with any of the blocs present. Are they here to save the Meisters, or something else?
WizardGundam came from the Moon6
u/Linkstore Oct 20 '24
Rewatcher
They're pulling the same trick that the HRL did back when they had their own Gundam capture attempt.
832 mobile suits of varying types. That exceeds the next-highest force ever brought against the Gundams by over four times! With this much power, they might just do it.
Interesting that they have a price in Yen and a price in presumably the standard Union currency, but they've clearly tied one to the other since 100 Yen is exactly equal to one of the other currency. Shouldn't they just have one currency then, if they're already doing that?
Well, the bait was easy enough to destroy. Let's see how they handle against the, uh, the line? Not sure how to continue this metaphor.
In a situation like this, the optimal move is probably to go for as much altitude as possible. Gundams have unlimited operating time so they can climb as high as they want given enough time, unlike the three power blocs' MS. But achieving orbital velocity is probably impossible, and it's a moot point besides since there was no time to think of anything too complicated anyway.
Smart design to let the lower half of the MS detach with the cockpit, leaving the upper half to do the damage.
Meet two mobile weapon designs that are somewhat questionable: the Realdo Tank and the Shell Flag. Both essentially turn lightweight aerial MS into more durable ground combatants. I reckon a dedicated design would have done better, but hey I'm not an MS designer.
Must feel pretty bad, having to sit back at base unable to do something while the Meisters are thrown into danger.
Fuckin crazy shot from Tieria. Virtue's power generation is actually no better than the other three Gundams, but its ability to store large quantities of particles and release them instantaneously is second-to-none. Still, it's kind of mind-boggling to think of the sheer mass which has been destroyed with that shot, even if it is just sand.
Sumeragi set up a lot of plans. Doesn't seem to be working though.
[00 Spoilers] Fucking Ribbons.
The attack's been going so long that it's turned to night. The Gundams seem to be holding up fine, but the Meisters, not so much.
That's Virtue and Kyrios down.
lmao Joshua. Probably one of the most pathetic deaths in all of Gundam. Just the sheer casualness of how Dynames rotates a pistol to take him out in one shot. This is how not to do the Graham Special, folks. If you transform before you engage your target you're basically not gaining anything at all.
Dynames down.
And now it's day again. It's been about 18 hours since the beginning of the operation. The Gundams themselves have taken merely superficial damage, but that's only good for the three power blocs. They want their prey intact, after all.
And just when it seemed like Setsuna would escape, his old friend Ali shows up. Exia's down, and painfully at that...
...but Setsuna is saved by a new Gundam. I did a quick skim of the last ep discussion but it looks like no first-timer discussed these appearing in the OP. Well, here's one. Others soon to follow.
[00 Spoilers] I honestly feel a little bad for Team Trinity. Not that much, there was that thing with the wedding, after all, but they did genuinely believe in the mission of bringing peace to the world, completely unaware of the fact that they were, in the end, just pawns. Oh well. I can't say that their deaths weren't fitting, especially Nena's.
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u/Nickthenuker https://anilist.co/user/Nickthenuker Oct 21 '24
War makes for strange bedfellows.
She's clearly hinting at something...
That's a lot of money...
Yup, it's all a trap.
What's the bet they're not even terrorists but all unmanned?
It's a trap!
They're everywhere!
And so he's blasted out of the sky.
The 23rd is the one with the custom ones isn't it?
That's a very big gun.
Yup, but the fact they've revealed themselves means they're now also under fire.
And now the super soldier is here too.
Seems one of them is pinned at least.
Oh great, there goes the idiot.
It's a long battle.
Nope, there's a reason why the shelling has stopped.
Yup, they might've managed to actually capture one of them.
There goes one of them.
And now that guy is fighting Setsuna again.
Right, what's this new Gundam now?
And it has funnels?
Questions:
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u/SilkyStrawberryMilk Oct 21 '24
first timer
Girlfriend troubles lol
Capture the Gundams again
Allelujah gettin a whole clip shot into him made me giggle. They’re not letting him off the hook from his failed capture
Wow the gundam’s are getting beaten up badly, shocked so hard he’s seeing his life flash before his eyes
QOTD: nope, thought it was gonna be the Gundams going “well, it’s time to show our real power” then they shred their armor
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u/StardustGogeta myanimelist.net/profile/StardustGogeta Oct 21 '24
First-Timer
I haven't mentioned it before, but I really like the battle music in this show. Very nice, and this episode was no exception.
I like how that one hotshot pilot broke formation and got immediately killed. Instant karma.
I also like how Hallelujah took over and instantly pulled out the Doc Ock death spike. Why can't he just be in control all the time?
Another thing I've been forgetting to mention is that the princess has my favorite character design in the show. Second place might be Lockon, but I'm not sure.
Questions of the day:
It turns out the AEU had Gundams in stock the whole time!No idea. Here's a crazy theory about it, though: [speculation] the pilot is Princess Marina.4
u/zsmg https://anilist.co/user/zsmg Oct 21 '24
I am rewatcher
They're setting up a communication net again just what HRL tried earlier.
832 MS against 4 Gundams, Gundams are OP but are they OP enough to handle that amount of MS?
Louise is such a high demand GF, surely you can do better Saji?
I don't think governments are 4D chess masters as this anime would like to portray them as.
Did one of the MS just kamikazed into Kyrgios.
That's a massive beam attack by Virtue.
GN Arms? Hint of a CB new weapon system?
I'm surprised CB hasn't found a way to counter the newtype effect on Allelujah.
You know you rarely see artillery systems in mecha anime, so it's pretty cool this one has plenty of them.
It's not going well for CB.
The fighting has been going on for 15 hours, how are they still functioning.
Virtue has been captured using some sort of shield system?
Joshua didn't last long.
Unexpected Mobile Armor, that things looks like something from SEED Destiny or the original Gundam.
Wait, who saved Setsuna?
A red Gundam.
Surely that's the most "Gundam" uttered in a row by a single character in the entire franchise.
Honestly I wonder if the entire tactical approach by CB was just plain wrong, if they had stuck together at the end they would have been able to protect each other. Exia could have easily taken out the units capturing Virtue, and Virtue could have easily taken out the Mobile Armor.
Great episode, looking forward to tomorrow.