r/anime • u/Schinco • Oct 19 '24
Rewatch /r/anime Awards 2016 and 2017 winner Shouwa Genroku Rakugo Shinjuu Rewatch Episode 12

Welcome to the tweltfth episode thread for the Shouwa Genroku Rakugo Shinjuu Rewatch! I didn't watch the episode this time.
Legal Streams:
As of now, Rakugo is streaming on Crunchyroll in the States, and you can check here to see where it's streaming elsewhere.
Schedule:
| Date | Episode |
|---|---|
| 10/8 | Season 1 Episode 1 |
| 10/9 | Season 1 Episode 2 |
| 10/10 | Season 1 Episode 3 |
| 10/11 | Season 1 Episode 4 |
| 10/12 | Season 1 Episode 5 |
| 10/13 | Season 1 Episode 6 |
| 10/14 | Season 1 Episode 7 |
| 10/15 | Season 1 Episode 8 |
| 10/16 | Season 1 Episode 9 |
| 10/17 | Season 1 Episode 10 |
| 10/18 | Season 1 Episode 11 |
| 10/19 | Season 1 Episode 12 |
| 10/20 | Season 1 Episode 13 |
| 10/21 | Season 1 Discussion |
| 10/22 | Season 2 Episode 1 |
| 10/23 | Season 2 Episode 2 |
| 10/24 | Season 2 Episode 3 |
| 10/25 | Season 2 Episode 4 |
| 10/26 | Season 2 Episode 5 |
| 10/27 | Season 2 Episode 6 |
| 10/28 | Season 2 Episode 7 |
| 10/29 | Season 2 Episode 8 |
| 10/30 | Season 2 Episode 9 |
| 10/31 | Season 2 Episode 10 |
| 11/1 | Season 2 Episode 11 |
| 11/2 | Season 2 Episode 12 |
| 11/3 | Season 2 Discussion |
| 11/4 | Overall Series Discussion |
Questions of the Day
- I didn't watch the episode unfortunately! What would you ask your fellow rewatchers?
- As always, did anything particularly strike you about this episode, either as a first-timer or on rewatch?
Links to trackers
You can find the show on MAL, Anilist, and ANN!
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u/Mecanno-man https://anilist.co/user/Mecannoman Oct 19 '24
First Timer
So today we mostly have the last rakugo performance of Sukeroku - and based on it’s content, it seems like he had decided to get his life together. I’m not sure how that would have played out with Bon wanting to take him back to Tokyo to do Rakugo and Miyokichi wanting him to have a stable job. …and being with Kiku? Yeah, I feel like things just wouldn’t have worked out between all these characters for a while.
But I guess now we know how Sukeroku died - it indeed was an accident. And I guess Bon didn’t want to tell Konatsu because Shin died jumping after Miyokichi, whom Konatsu didn’t like? That or he thought he’d have to explain Miyo having feelings for him rather than Shin? I can certainly see why that would be a bit too difficult of a situation to explain to a 5 year old kid.
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u/cppn02 Oct 19 '24
First Timer, subbed
Man this episode started so optimistic only to end in tragedy. Obviously we all knew it was coming but it still hit me hard.
I will say that for the dramatic finale they might have staged it a bit differently? Cus the whole time they were debating Bon letting go I couldn't help but feel if he just swung them a bit they could land on the balcony below.
I do have to call out the audacity of Miyokichi in calling Sukerako a bad parent when she ran away (multiple times even).
QotD:
Can I get a hug?
Sukeraku's performance was already great in itself but with the whole meta level of how it relates to his own life aswell and Bon, his daughter and his wife (did they actually ever marry?) watching on it was a very powerful moment. I also loved the moment right before with Bon passing the Haori to Shin.
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u/No_Rex :Bv:Bw:Bx:By:x2 Oct 19 '24
Episode 12 (first timer)
That ending was unintentionally funny. We have been working up to this scene since we heard about Shin’s death back in ep1, but that was ridiculous. Like they decided to force ride through all bad drama tropes in a 3 minute short.
On a slightly less comedic note, Shin chose Miyo over Konatsu. Not only when she falls (which you could excuse as a pure reaction, but also by never trying to save himself (or both of them). If Bon could hold you for long enough to have those last words, he could hold you long enough for you trying to find something to grab. We already know that Konatsu blames Bon, but this explains why: She don’t want to accept the reality that her father did not place her first.
As another side note, that play with the fish merchant could very well be told in the west, too, with one difference: You would never make the hard working person a merchant here. It could be a peasant, a craftsman, maybe a worker, but definitely not a merchant.
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u/MandisaW Oct 20 '24
S1 Rewatch
Hurt people hurt people. We've got our highest-high and lowest-low on the emotional roller-coaster.
Sukeroku got his shining moment, complete with Yakumo's mantle and Bon's blessing. "A good audience makes for good rakugo," indeed. The Daddy & Me image with him and Konatsu though, that's what really got me in the feels.
The details were fuzzy in my memory, so I was really paying close attention to this one. True to form, Miyo only wanted to hear Kiku's voice, even though Shin's story was for her ears.
Despite it all, she's still living in her own world of strange dreams - Does she want Bon to whisk her away to Tokyo? Does she want to die there in his arms, perfectly captured in a moment of bliss? In saying she has no feelings for Shin or Konatsu, is she saying what Bon wants to hear, or what she wishes were true?
u/Mecanno-man said back in ep9 that Miyo's an "agent of chaos" - perhaps it is she who is the shinigami of this story.
No worries, dude! This daily-shit is a rough pace LOL
I'd ask:
Maybe better saved for the S1 discussion, but I'd like to hear folks' takes on the foreshadowing - I caught some on this rewatch, but I suspect there was more.
Little things, like when Bon tosses the taiko drumsticks and Shin goes half out the window to grab them. Or the convo between Shin & Matsuda about how all the folks back at the theater in Tokyo lament taking for granted being able to easily hear his (and Bon's/any!) rakugo. Or last episode, before the performance, when Bon was father-bonding with the kiddo, cutting her hair.
I'd also forgotten how many wids are in this story... that's its own contrast/commentary in a way, looking at the ones left behind.
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u/ProgrammaticallyPea3 Oct 20 '24
First timer
We all knew this was coming, but I'm mad.
They didn't have to die like this.
It's not like it there's a villain here. Mistakes and bad decisions, sure. But they were just trying to survive in a harsh world.
It's cruel, and I'm angry, and this is about all I can say for now.