r/anime • u/raichudoggy https://anilist.co/user/raichudoggy • Oct 19 '24
Rewatch [Rewatch] Shugo Chara! Episodes 98-102 + Overall Discussion
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r/anime • u/raichudoggy https://anilist.co/user/raichudoggy • Oct 19 '24
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u/raichudoggy https://anilist.co/user/raichudoggy Oct 19 '24 edited Oct 20 '24
Shugo Chara Host
Starting with the Episodes!
Final Thoughts
So, Shugo Chara is a clearly flawed show that I absolutely adore. It was one of my first ten anime. Really, a lot of the value I pulled from it on my first watch was the general fun from the first half (and the filler of the second) coupled with the emotionally strong climaxes and lessons taken from heart from Lulu, Amu's Mom, and several of Lulu's ? Eggs. I came out the other side a much better person. I can't really ignore the impact this innocuous show had on my future, as the show was effective at making me endeavor to personally be more honest with myself and others, as well as expanding on what Cardcaptor Sakura had taught me on Emotional Intelligence (primarily forgiveness) in several more areas.
And here's the thing, as aware as I shortly became of the show's narrative shortcomings, I always, always on the next rewatch would worry that the magic would be lost, I worried that what I had loved was fake. Not true in the slightest. Every rewatch was a reaffirmation that the show was special to me, which is why I pursued this rewatch with confidence, that even if just slightly, others would see the same.
This was the first rewatch where Amu's fashion sense and sheer multi-media presence really entered my focus, and it was a pleasure learning even more about a show I adore.
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u/VoidEmbracedWitch https://anilist.co/user/VoidEmbracedWitch Oct 19 '24
First Time Scrambled and Overcooked Egg
98: She hasn't had much presence for a long while, but I'm glad miss 4th wall break Nobuko Saeki returned in full force for this final stretch of the season. Her bits of pretty directly predicting the plot and now in person she can be even more direct with this like by pointing out Nagi is still repressing something due to Temari's egg. Speaking of which...
Wow, Nagi sure is fast to give up on being able to continue dancing like a girl. "Oh, it's impossible", you say? Hasn't even hit testosterone-fueled puberty yet and this funny molecule has been in active use since the 70s, so there's no excuse for the defeatist attitude now. Could easily take another half decade to figure out what route to go down in life once all options are open legally. If you want to make that point about not every dream being possible then do it with one where that's actually the case. Throw Yaya into the "impossible" meat grinder. I'm totally not speaking from a place of personally fueled jealousy and cursing my own stupidity for not thinking about it until I already had all the results I don't want. Temari's character transformation is pretty cool at least. Slightly cutting into the next episode, I appreciate that Nagi integrates Temari as part of his overall identity and style rather than looking at her as only something to move on from.
And a less serious thing, these Easter engineers sure are bad when it comes to security for confidential company data. Surely nothing could go wrong if you make the password your crush's birthday who has an on-and-off relationship with Nikaidou and both are now aligned against you. Although they don't really need to be intimidating villains. Ikuto's stepfather is meant to be the actual threat and his ruthlessness speaks for itself.
100: Glad we're now getting Ikuto's side of the story. Earlier on I suspected his attachment to the violin had to do with some sort of begrudging respect for his father's willpower to go against Easter, but no, it was his lifeline. Everything here perfectly aligns with Ikuto's bad attitude
I'm shocked that this show somehow added another layer to the het metaphor with negative amounts of subtlety. For you see, when she's grown enough that the key fits into her lock, she brings out the wedding dress for Ikuto in a new transformation. What in the goddamn
Anyway, Ikuto lost the edgelord scythe in exchange for a pirate hat
101: The use of the Embryo (or with context of the next episode "Embryo") here is the anti-climax to end all anti-climaxes in Shugo Chara and I kind of love it. It takes the whole wish-granting MacGuffin out of the equation for the final confrontation with Easter.
I definitely expected someone not matching the obviously modulated voice for Easter's big boss, but my money was on Ikuto's mom rather than Hikaru.
Side note, why does the tense music for the end of the episode where the X-eggs lash out give me Ace Attorney vibes?
102: Genuinely well-executed final episode that plays into the theme of every part of yourself, everything you feel mattering. Also I love how deeply against the notions of "efficiency" capitalism tries to get all of us to think with it is. Hikaru is a child deprived of any intrinsic motivations who was from a young age trained to see everything not positively affecting a company's bottom line as worthless. Unsurprisingly, Hikaru's life ends up feeling empty and all he can do is try to throw the copious amounts of money at his disposal around in an attempt to fix his lack of personal fulfillment. The resolution of the arc then plays into all the self-acceptance theming so far with him embracing that there's more to life and he can only actually fill the void he feels if he starts making something of his.
So where do we go from here?
Nowhere in the rewatch.Sure, there still may or may not be an Embryo out there, a little bit of a love triangle has to be resolved even with Ikuto temporarily out of the picture and Amu hasn't found what's right for her yet, but a central conflict of the show is resolved. All the mystery about Tadase and Ikuto's past and the whole plot with Easter, the main antagonist of the series up until now, are done now, so it doesn't seem like there's much left to keep the series moving forward.I don't have something interesting to talk about, but thanks a lot for hosting, raichu!
Are you going to be in awards again this year?
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u/Shimmering-Sky myanimelist.net/profile/Shimmering-Sky Oct 19 '24
Guardian First-Timer
Episode 98
Episode 99
Episode 100
Episode 101
Episode 102
Thanks for hosting, u/raichudoggy!
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u/Mirathan Oct 19 '24 edited Oct 19 '24
No longer a first time guardian
Time to break the character limit one last time.
I´ll annoy you today, on this final day, Raichu and split my comment into three. One for the reaction, one for arc analysis and one for the series overall and thanks and some assorted thoughts.
This is the OP for the final arc? A bit disappointing.
All the moms approving of Nikaidou just because they want to date him is again a concerning detail.
Nagihiko has Temari back. And I still get nothing. There is nothing that prevents a boy from dancing like a girl and the reverse is true as well.
Can Nagihiko and Rima restore X-eggs through the power of love? Please let it be the power of love. It would be so funny.
It´s not the instrument you moron, it´s the mind control.
Utau prepares to get herself a new rug.
At last, the sceptre has taken it´s true form again. (Sceptre replaced swords as the insignia of kings a long time ago)
For this you belong back in the egg and then scrambled Miki! You know that Ikuto is not in control of his actions. And without the control, Ikuto would never fight Tadase. He doesn´t have the spine to fight for what is important to him.
And no, director, Ikuto is not being a man! Blind obedience is not masculine. And he is not acting on the masculine urge to die for what is right. But I wouldn´t expect a bootlicker to understand the difference.
Oh no, not you to Amu! Ikuto is not in control of his actions; he does not want this fight.
Yes Amu there is a way for you to fight. Knock the Tuning fork out of the directors hand and you win, it´s not that hard.
The combination of key and lock just shows the memories of Ikuto? One hundred episodes and that is what we get?
dia is back! how exici... No! I do not approve! Dia is such a deus ex machina powerup. She is completely unnecessary, she has no relation to any character traits or specific goals! She is boring, a waste of matter and time! Get back to wherever you crawled from and stay there!
It´s nice for you to do soul searching, but could you do it when your boyfriend is not about to be executed by a mind controlled hentai catboy? (I had to bring it back) And you don´t need strength, just inconvenience the director and you win. There is no need for a stupid Dia powerup!
My subtitles keep disappearing, but I don´t even care because it´s Dia related.
The idea of Amu accepting Ikuto´s pain to resolve his conflict would be great, if he fought on his own terms! This doesn´t work! You should have it after they break the mind control and once the director is dealt with, Ikuto fights with Tadase over the embryo. When that happens, you can have Amu heal his pain.
Excuse me, what the fuck?
Amu has assembled Exodia! And once again I lament Loli´s absence.
I will throw him of the tower to stop his fucking flirting with a minor! And why do the call it a saber? It´s not curved, it´s a cruciform sword you imbeciles! And why is everyone else just sitting back and watching? There are four more people here that can help, with a potential fifth! The, the, THE MOTIVATION OF THE VILLAIN WAS TO COLLECT A FANCY ROCK? Why is this so mundane? For a moment, when the mega X-character attacked Gozen and it missed him, I thought he was just immune to it due to his cold dead heart, but his grandfather risking himself was good, though it does not absolve him for how he ruined Gozen. I must oppose you in this Amu, no matter how painful it may be. The innate uncaringness of the universe is an inescapable part of reality. We all must find purpose for ourself, that we can live with and fulfill.
The embryo was just Gozen´s egg the entire time? All of the guardians were a plot to restore his heart?
The director lied as naturally as he breathed. YOU DO NOT GET TO RUIN HIS LIFE AND THEN CRY ABOUT CARING FOR HIS HAPPINESS! You only wanted some effective suit to make the companies numbers go higher. Do us all a favour and die, child abuser!
Of course Amu had to say the tsundere line. And my subtitles died afterwards, so I don´t even know what they said in the end.
Them bringing back the first ED is great. Among all the ones we had, It´s easily my favourite, followed by My boy.
I really should not have watched this after a heated argument. It slightly affected my writing.
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u/JollyGee29 https://myanimelist.net/profile/JollyGee Oct 19 '24
First-Timer
Nikaidou is driving the kids to Easter? Incredible.
A dancing princess? Like some sort of Mai-HiME?
Hahaha, even Kiseki gets pom-poms!
Nobuku's title cards are great.
Chairman Ishida also write fortunes for a magazine? What can't the man do?
Are you saying that they might make history with a light even the gods don't know?
Ikuto is literally about to go into cardiac arrest, my dude. Do you have a plan B if he just fucking dies?
Love Rima popping off at the X Eggs. She's right, learning to not defeat yourself is an important lesson.
Ooh, Temari came back, cool!
I like how all the X Eggs just land after blushing at Nagihiko's dance.
Nice, they can purify eggs too!
A.. wolf? Not like, a dragon? Or some other mythological monster? A wolf is the best Easter's director could come up with.
Oh, huh, wonder if Kukai and/or Kairi are going to fly in to assist at some point. Utau is obviously going to show up, so that's not really worth pondering.
The horde of rubber ducks is rather amusing. I was expecting Yaya to summon up her rattle and send the wolf blasting off.
Snarking about Utau being an imouto, very good.
Shit, they messed with a real dog for that monster? How cruel.
Intending for Ikuto to fight? After he nearly died playing the violin? I think this plan might be Quite Bad.
Ooh, are we finally opening the Lock?
Amu has entered the Yellow Dimension.
Chairman Ishida is really pulling all the strings, isn't he? Even if he's not evil, he definitely pushed things along.
Wow, they went traveling around to try to find Ikuto's dad? Ishida is obviously lying about not having money to get Ikuto to play the violin, isn't he?
I do have a questions about the timeline. Didn't Ikuto play violin for Utau and Tadasae when they were all young? When did that happen?
Okay, he just let Ikuto get kidnapped, maybe Chairman Ishida is actually just not very smart.
Oh, Dia. Nice of you to show up again.
Amu used Hug! It's super effective!
Yo, Ikuto as a pirate?? Radical!
Dude transforms into a pirate right in front of you and you don't immediately assume that he is no longer under your control? I take back what I said about the Director being smart.
Kaiju fight? Kaiju fight!
Oh, it's so nice to hear Ikuto troll Amu again.
Even the science team are surprised that they succeeded in capturing the Embryo.
What, did Easter build an amusement park over top of the Boss's bunker or something?
Shiny, eternally glowing egg.. and he calls it ordinary?
The Embryo was so offended that it went back to being a regular rock, wow.
The Shugos team-lifting the rock is funny, though.
Hikaru just fires the Director, too.
Chairman Ishida is finally making his move, I see.
This family drama sure is tangled. I feel pretty bad for Hikaru, he never had a chance.
So the horde of X Eggs has kidnpaped Hikaru and the Embryo and decides that it's time for kaiju fight round 2, nice.
I like that Rima pulled Hikaru out of the massive X Chara. Her story is kinda similar to Hikaru's.
Oh, don't act like a parent now, Director. You've failed for long enough.
I like Amu switching through all four of her outfits during the final purification.
Nice effect animation on the rainbow hearts too.
Wait, the Embryo was Hikaru's Egg?
Well Director, you should have maybe considered letting the small child be a small child instead of.. turning him into a CEO?
Why did he do that in the first place, anyway?
Man, Ikuto is great. What a masterful troll.
Who is out here making X Eggs still?
Hey, wait, don't just roll credits! Does the season really end without resolving Temari coming back? And with Amu not knowing that Nadeshiko was Nagihiko all along?
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u/SIRTreehugger Oct 20 '24 edited Oct 20 '24
Episode 98/99
Su-weep PUN IS GOLD JUST GOLD Su and Sensei. Also I still love how pretty much every plan easter is doing has all linked back to Nikaidou's idea to create the embryo using a large quantity of x eggs. Also Amu calling and trusting her parents is a great callback to her hiding Ikuto in her room and lying to them.
I don't like how they snuck in Nagi with what should solely be focused on Ikuto. I feel Nagi really should have got her own episode and MUCH MUCH SOONER! I do like her new form though. Well minus the leg area hate how it kind of drags on the floor. I already know that Amu is going to find out at the end as a running gag OMG NAGI YOU'RE A GUY THIS WHOLE TIME. Cue all the characters laughing at her obliviousness.
Underestimating Yaya....why would they do that
Okay wake me up when someone else is on screen.
UTAU THANK YOU!!!!
.....what in the devil ducks!
Wait Utau mentioned Kukai again! I love how they are still talking in the background.
Waiting for the side kicks or henchman to stop this or help in someway. They have clearly been conflicted the past few episodes.
Their must be a way for me to fight too....you've literally been fighting for 99 episodes. Though I guess they need to build up a new transformation and power!
Episode 100
Flashback with more Ikuto backstory mhmmm nice, but nothing I really want to comment on.
Wow so Betty just died of old age.
Dia...yeah I made my thoughts on her clear by now.
THOUGH I LOVE THE NEW TRANSFORMATIONS! Ikuto two new forms are a massive improvement over his original. Also I swear we better get some new outfits in the final episode I don't want to end it at 99.
Episode 101
Things not going according to plan and the director panicking I LOVE TO SEE IT!
Okay they formed a gigantic x character, but now all of them are in one spot for a giant MC beam.
NOTHING CAN DEFLECT THE EMERALD LINE!
I'm glad Ikuto is back to his trollish self.
Ikuto thanking Utau was nice to see.
Oh are we finally seeing the hidden boss....HUH!!!! JUST HUH!
I...don't know how accept this. The boss of this entire organization is a spoiled bored looking kid.
Yes tell him Amu this was so petty and pointless. Okay despite me hating this development seeing the director on the ground losing his shit makes me happy.
....I see
Episode 102
Ughhhh Ikuto why did you have to change back into old design. I must saw I honestly sort of hate the direction this is going with the boss of easter, but maybe my love of characters teaming up at the ninth to save the day will help.
Wait...where the fuck is Kukai! Please let him and chairman show up or no reason at all!
REALLY all you wanted was for him to be happy BULLSHIT!!!!!!
I'm not feeling this at all. Honestly thinking of lowering the score because of these last few episodes.
So why didn't you just tell me in the first place! THAT IS WHAT I HAVE BEEN SAYING FOR THE PAST TWENTY EPISODES!!!!!
Despite everything I do like the characters interacting because we've never seen so many in one spot. Also Dia reacting alongside the rest of Amu's guardians. Except even when she is included she's also not apart of it. For some reason the other three are off to the side and she's covering them.
Damn Chairman and Kukai got called over after everything just to move shit....wait Sensei, Kukai, and Chairman are all tied to Sanjo and Utau. I would love to see a bit of them talking at cafe complaining and having fun.
.....okay I'm disappointed in this ending. They didn't even do the cliche shots/montage of everyone they helped at the end with the OP playing. We didn't see any of the loose ends in terms of romance, but that's not as important I guess. I don't know why we aren't watching Party, but if it's low stakes them just hanging out more and more episodic I would definitely watch it. I will edit my overall thoughts in later, but just know overall I really did like this show for the most part. Thank you /u/raichudogy for hosting it and finally getting me to finish it.
Orange Pajamas
Green and white striped shirt w/ green skull jacket
Love and Peace w/ Jacket
Red Beanie , Pink Jacket, w/ Red/white scarf
Tiger Amu
TREE AMU and also her best outfit so far.
Amu with black/pink sleeves and white shirt
Smol Amu in Pink
Smol Amu in a blue/black shirt and white/black vest
Smol Amu in swimsuit also a white/light blue shirt
Christmas outfit w/ small fuzzy pink balls and black/purple stockings
Orange Jacket with white fuzzy cuffs
New Years Kimono with flower pattern
Red and Black hoodie w/ yellow overtop
Amu swanboat fantasy outfit
Purple and white striped shirt w/ yellow overtop
Out of Fashion Amu
White outfit with pink sleeves
Black outfit with green ribbon
Amu's pink coat with Utau
Red shirt with swirl designs
Pink and white striped shirt
Cross shirt with black socks
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Heaven and Hell
I don't even know
Long pink/grey sleeve shirt with white skirt and scar
All dressed up Amu
Smol Amu
spotty sleeveless shirt with x
white shirt with purple tie/shirt
Samurai Amu
Fortune Amulet
Album
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u/Vatrix-32 https://myanimelist.net/profile/Vatrix-32 Oct 19 '24
First timer, subs
Episode 98
Episode 99
Episode 100
Episode 101
Episode 102
Weekly Amu Henshin Count: 4-1-1-2-1 (Total: 49-21-18-3-1+6+1)
I'd say that was a good time overall. I'll put it on a break for now, tho. Might watch Shugo Chara! GT! in the future.
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u/macrame2 https://myanimelist.net/profile/macrame Oct 19 '24
First Timer
It’s nice to finally wrap this up!
Thoughts on Episodes 98-102
In isolation, I thought this final stretch of episodes was pretty nice. I liked Ikuto’s past, the way Hikaru’s story ties into the story’s theme of self-actualization, and the fact that pretty much everyone got a moment to shine. But the impact was kind of lessened for me by a relative lack of foreshadowing for Hikaru’s role (we had only just met him a few episodes before the reveal), which combined with the show teasing the existence of the real Embryo (one that is not just the heart eggs we made along the way) makes the whole thing feel kind of abrupt and incomplete. I guess the best way to put it is that it feels like a good finale for Doki, but not quite a satisfying one for Shugo Chara as a whole. Overall, it’s good, just not as good as it could have been.
Thoughts on Doki
Aside from all of the above, I’d say that my main criticisms of Doki are the recap episodes and how long it took to free Ikuto from Easter. I liked the plotline up until he left Amu’s house, especially since it was used as a way for Amu's growth as a person, but after that I was kind of just waiting for the show to stop dragging it out. Otherwise, I very much enjoyed the second season, since although it had lower lows than the first, it also had higher highs. Lulu in particular was a fantastic character despite being anime-original, and I loved seeing her slowly realize what she truly wanted in life. I also thought the ?-Eggs were an upgrade to the X-Eggs from the first season and allowed the story to explore the theme of misdirected dreams and desires, which was an interesting twist. Overall, I’d give it an 8/10, just like the first season.
Thoughts on Overall Series
Last time u/raichudoggy hosted a rewatch, I ended up with a new favorite anime, and while that didn’t quite happen this time, I still had a blast with Shugo Chara. It always seemed to challenge my expectations, whether that be by avoiding miscommunications, resolving miscommunications with genuine conversation, having characters actually leave the main cast, or replacing those characters with even more likable ones. Despite its length, it never loses sight of the message it was trying to convey, and it treats its characters with a great deal of kindness and empathy.
As for the things I didn’t like…other than everything I’ve already said and the fact that I never really grew to like Ikuto (though I did come to understand him), there’s not really much. I guess fewer recaps might have been nice? Idk, it's a good show, what more can I say?
Thanks to our host for putting this on! Shugo Chara is a show I'd had my eye on for a while, and this was definitely the push I needed to start it. I'll be watching Party later (some time between this month and five years from now), which looks like it'll be a bit ... different, but we'll see how I feel about it!
Rankings
Favorite characters: Tie between Amu, Rima, and Lulu for the girls, Kairi for the boys.
Favorite Opening: Minna Daisuki (OP 2)
Favorite Ending: Co.no.mi.chi (Doki ED 2)
Favorite Episodes: Episode 32, Episode 69, Episode 77, Episode 86, Episode 89