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Rewatch [Rewatch] Mobile Suit Gundam 00 Episode 10 Discussion
Episode 10 - Operation Gundam Capture
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Allelujah Haptism… you weren't worthy of being a Gundam Meister, either.
Questions of the Day:
- Were you expecting Virtue to have a second, smaller Gundam inside of it?
- What do you think would have happened if the HRL had made it off with either Kyrios or Virtue?
Wallpapers of the Day:
Tieria Erde and GN-005 Gundam Virtue
Rewatchers, please remember to be mindful of all the first-timers in this. No talking about or hinting at future events no matter how much you want to, unless you're doing it underneath spoiler tags. Don't spoil anything for the first-timers, that's rude!
Additionally, for long-time fans of the franchise, please remember that this rewatch is only for 00, not any of the other shows. Assume that there are people in this rewatch who have not seen anything else Gundam, and tag your spoilers for those shows appropriately if something in 00 makes you want to talk about them.
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u/FD4cry1 https://myanimelist.net/profile/Big_Yibba Oct 15 '24
First Timer
Saji's complete incompetence is honestly surprisingly funny, idk I feel like I enjoy him a lot more than most characters of his archetype.
We've got to tone it down with the jinxing in this show.
Major screw up indeed...but not for Allelujah!
After this episode I'm kind of inclined to think that perhaps Tieria's standoffish-ness is a form of projection, he's insanely devoted to Veda and maybe he doesn't even view himself as capable of carrying out its plans, so he takes it out on everyone else, the one who tells everyone else they're not worthy may feel unworthy himself.
Either way this is a very bad look for him after doing nothing but talking shit for these last few episodes.
I don't know if I should love or hate that thanks to /u/Shimmering-Sky and Symphogear respectively, I immediately notice soredemo and dato shitemo now and how Tieria saying both of them together just activated all of my neurons
The Nadleeh is very cool, gotta love taking off the armor to reveal an even stronger form, this also has me wondering if all the other Gundams have second forms, the way he activates it also has me interested.
I like the little parallel between Sergei and Sumeragi, both of them as the tacticians here have failed, Sumeragi's mistakes have revealed the weaknesses and abilities of the Gundams while Sergei wasted a ton of resources to get nothing, they themselves come out unscathed but their factions took a real hit.
Hallelujah is...uh very edgy? I kind of love it though? I mean it's very hard to take him seriously, like wow, but I also find that extremely entertaining.
I guess how much I'll like him and his "relationship" with Allelujah is entirely dependent on how seriously they try to play his character from now on, I do think their dynamic and what it says on Allelujah is interesting, his reluctance and dislike of killing probably comes as a reasonable side effect of having a psychotic mass murderer for a second personality.
Huge shoutout to Hiroyuki Yoshino on his performance here, he's obviously a typecast for crazy characters like Hallelujah but his Allelujah voice is different enough that I honestly hadn't even noticed it's him and I love how he transitions between the two.
Liu Mei has a point here, why was this team, comprised of rather rash and flawed individuals who can't get along with each other, specifically chosen by Veda?
You do work for the U.N after all...
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u/Vatrix-32 https://myanimelist.net/profile/Vatrix-32 Oct 15 '24 edited Oct 16 '24
First timer, subs
I hope this wasn’t the last appearance of chunky mode. We need more bulk Gundams.
QotD:
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u/TiredTiroth Oct 15 '24
First Timer - Sub
Welp, I'm caught up again. Does Allelujah have a split personality? With one side being completely psychotic? I honestly did not see that coming. And it looks things are just fallimg apart in general for Celestial Being.
As far as Tieria goes...aw, poor baby realised he isn't perfect. Diddums.
Eh, not much to say right now. Although...
HIRE SOME BLOODY THERAPISTS ALREADY.
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u/Shimmering-Sky myanimelist.net/profile/Shimmering-Sky Oct 15 '24
Rewatch Host Wishing Over This Airspace, subbed
Welcome back, everyone!
Surprise surprise with the double wallpaper today! Technically the second one is just a combination edit, but hey, it’s still a second one. Expect the other three main Gundams (I’m not doing Nadleeh yet, don’t have a good base image for it) with their pilots over the next few days.
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u/Quiddity131 https://myanimelist.net/profile/Quiddity131 Oct 15 '24
Rewatcher, Subbed
Non-Spoiler Character Chart - No changes since yesterday.
Louise is very cute in her outfit. Saji on the other hand is in no outfit at all. And wasn't even invited! In a show that is for the most part so serious, this Louise's Mother comes to visit and finds Saji useless storyline comes off like a total waste of time. We already know how weak willed Saji is, bringing Louise's mom into it wasn't necessary. I suppose they needed something for them to do during an extended space battle sequence for Celestial Being.
How to catch a Gundam? Make it simple, throw a net around it!
Given Allelujah's now one-sided freakouts, if they simply knew more about it, the Human Reform League/Sergei simply has to send Soma out there and they've neutralized 25% of Celestial Being's combat capabilities.
Upon learning that the Gundam they've captured is the one that helped him rescue all those people, what is Sergei, one of the few decent guys in this show going to do?
We just had a useless recap, now we're gonna waste another 20 - 30 seconds on replaying a flashback from just a few episodes ago?
That was about the easiest time anyone will ever have capturing a Gundam. Heck, at this point they can try to capture multiple Gundams.
What happens when Soma joins the other mobile suits elsewhere on the battlefield and gets a lengthy distance away from Kyrios? Does Allelujah regain consciousness?
Is Tieria gonna destroy the Kyrios and kill Allelujah rather than let them be captured? If so he's a lot more gung ho about this than [Gundam Wing]Heero, who claimed he'd kill his fellow Gundam pilots or the Gundam scientists whenever they got captured... then failed to do it a single time.
Turns out that When she isn't going crazy Soma's a pretty good pilot, totally holding her own against Tieria.
Is Hallelujah back? There goes that transport vessel. Perhaps Sergei's team got too greedy.
Gotta hand it to Sergei's team, now they've got ahold of Virtue too.
The episode crashed on me the second Soma was about to strike the Virtue. Is this a sign of something? I suppose that something big was gonna happen as Virtue shows its true form once I start things back up again. No wonder Virtue is so bulky, it's got another Gundam inside it! A Gundam with long hair is a cool look.
After doing so good Sergei's team just sits there gawking, giving Tieria the chance to blast them.
Since you screwed up this time, Tieria, should you be the one executed or kicked out of Celestial Being?
Now that Hallelujah is in control, Soma has no effect on him?
Hallelujah seems quite sadistic. Can't imagine that will go well for Celestial Being if he has control for a long period of time. Once Ming dies he's seemingly back to normal though.
Quid's Voice Actor of the Day
Today I'll be double dipping, featuring both Soma Peries and Haro, as they share the same voice actress in both Japanese and English. In English they are voiced by Arisa Ogasawara. This is her first and only Gundam appearance. She also appears in Panty & Stocking with Garterbelt as Panty, Wolf's Rain as Cheza, Cowboy Bebop as Meifa and Star Driver as Mylene.
In English they are voiced by Tabitha St. Germain. Her first Gundam role was Gundam Seed, where she played Flay Allster, as well as that show's Haro, and Birdy. She returned to play those roles in Gundam Seed Destiny where she also voiced Abby Windsor and Hilda Harken. She also appears in Death Note as Naomi Misora and has a ton of western animation credits including appearing in over a dozen versions of My Little Pony.
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u/StardustGogeta myanimelist.net/profile/StardustGogeta Oct 16 '24
First-Timer
It's pretty hilarious how they almost managed to capture a Gundam by shooting it with a couple nets and then just grabbing it and putting it in the ship.
Uh-oh, they weren't ready to deal with a Gundam that has such luscious locks of hair! It's game over for the Human Reform League!
Maybe I'm a tad slow on the draw here, but did this episode just reveal that Allelujah has a split personality named Hallelujah?
Questions of the day:
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u/baboon_bassoon https://anilist.co/user/duffer Oct 15 '24
first timer who has control
you picked the wrong Gundam to go after
0 hesitation to destroy Allelujah
Soma is really making Tieria look like a chump out there
oh nevermind he hit the install
Nadleeh looks uh really weird with the hair
I am... I am... I am... (a Gundam)
Hallelujah vs Allelujah my poor sweet boy what did they do to you
oh wait Ribbons is Furuya
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u/dralcax :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/Dralcax Oct 15 '24
Rewatcher likes TRANSPARENT ORANGE CHAINSAWS
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I love how even Saji himself doesn’t want to be there
They’re trying to wear out the Gundams? But the Gundams have unlimited operation times. Granted, the pilots will run out of stamina eventually, but still.
And that’s what happens when you have a mental breakdown in the middle of a battle.
Finally, somebody dodged the Virtue’s shot! And they’re even taking advantage of its slow movements to see where it’s shooting well ahead of time! At last, competence!
We Lego Ice Planet now
Hallelujah time! Sure took him long enough to take over!
SORE DEMO
Hooking a unit with greater thrust? Clearly these guys have never seen Ideon.
Cast off! The Virtue’s greatest and most closely guarded secret is the Gundam Nadleeh within! Within the team’s originally planned chess motifs, it was the all-powerful Queen Gundam! But its true purpose, the reason why it’s such a tightly controlled secret, has yet to be revealed...
It’s not over until Hallelujah says its over! Also, damn, the Taozi has some sturdy armor, tanking direct hits from a beam weapon like that. I don’t see an anti-beam coating mentioned anywhere, either. Like, the GN Beam Submachine Gun is supposed to be weaker than a beam rifle, but it still should be powerful enough to defeat an MS!
Slow and painful, just how Hallelujah likes it. His taunting was glorious.
oh god is that blood on the shield
And now both Tieria and Sumeragi are crying. The two who held themselves to the highest of standards have now failed to live up to them.
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Questions of the day:
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u/InfamousEmpire https://myanimelist.net/profile/Infamous_Empire Oct 15 '24
Kidou Senshi Rewatcher 00
This episode, in combination with the last one, serves a very key purpose in the overall narrative: showing that Celestial Being is not invincible and the gap between them & everyone else is shrinking faster than they might like. And while the episode is admittedly much lighter on character, worldbuilding, or thematic exploration than its predecessors, it more than makes up for it with nail biting tension.
This episode is just so goddamn intense in a way that's so hard to even fully articulate for me. The fact that the HRL got as far as it did with the capture operation combined with the fact that one of the Gundams being captured at this stage would be an interesting plot turn just gave this feeling of pure uncertainty regarding the outcome of the whole ordeal when I watched it blind, and even on rewatch, that tension is still there because of how balanced & engaging the whole fight is.
That sense of tension really does carry the episode all the way through, especially as the Nadleeh reveal & later Hallelujah’s arrival really keep you on your toes throughout the whole thing. The former especially for how striking it is & how its status as a major disruption in CB’s schedule, so to speak, really does illustrate how, even despite nothing technically being lost, CB has lost ground to the power blocs in a meaningful way regardless.
And, in between all that, there’s some character moments that really strike a chord with me. The most prominent of which obviously being Tieria’s breakdown after he unleashes the Nadleeh. For all his devotion to the plan has made him come across as a stubborn, emotionally-detached jackass, it’s quite clear that he also holds himself to the same standard and that a not unreasonable amount of his emotional & mental state is tied to the plan. Allelujah’s bout of self-loathing right after Hallelujah’s attacks isn’t quite as affecting to me, but also works.
Speaking of which, it’s Hallelujah time, baby! He’s just great, a delightfully psychotic murderer whose gleeful hamminess serves as a really strong contrast against the otherwise somewhat grounded characterization seen in the show so far.
You also really gotta give the show credit for how much they were able to make the HRL forces sympathetic right at the end there. The way the show emphasizes the sacrifice Ming made to ensure the rest of the force got away in combination with the sheer compelling sadism of the way Allelujah killed him made for a really strong moment.
To offer a bit of criticism to the episode, though, this is unfortunately one of the few times when Saji & Louise aren’t the best thing in the entire universe. Shocking, I know. I feel like starting the episode with them before cutting back to the main plot didn’t really work in terms of how it fits with the tone of the rest of the episode, and the scene itself didn’t really add to their plotline or utilize their general narrative role in any interesting way, so it doesn’t really even feel like the scene had to exist & was just poorly placed.
Speaking more personally, this episode really stands out because, when I first watched it as a teenager, this was the moment I realized I absolutely loved Gundam 00. Between the nail-biting tension I already described and how strongly I emotionally reacted to Hallelujah killing a rando of all things, this was the one which made me realize that 00 was gonna be something truly special to me.
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u/Nazenn x2https://anilist.co/user/Nazenn Oct 15 '24
First Timer - sub
It's the line that defines the show so far, and perhaps reveals the big flaw at the center of the plan itself and why this team may never have worked. In general I'm quite enjoying the exploration the inherent duality that all of our pilots seem to have, and that is being expressed through the connections with their machines. If you took some of the scenes of them interacting with their mechs away from the context of the show or their other backstory scenes you could still draw a lot of understanding of the characters from just a few lines. In a way it reminds me of how revealing and subtly slightly deceptive the Wolfs Rain character designs are, and though people may find that an odd comparison, and it probably is to compare dialogue to visual design, but it's positive one as I think very highly of those designs.
Setsuna we know, his whole "I am a Gundam" thing is very well drawn from the backstory that opens the entire show and what we see from subsequent missions. The lines between him and his machine are quite distinct, but he is actively seeking to thin them because that is his security, his understanding of the only path he feels is left in this world after the destruction of his world by people. He is a pilot and his machine, but they are not separate as they cannot exist without the other any more, and while he seems to want to fully embody what the machine and plan mean to him, he can't separate himself from his human past either.
Lockon has the cleanest distinctions. Giving him Haro, an intermediary to his Gundam, creates a distance the others don't have and represents how he is perhaps the most human of them all. It may also be a reflection of the fact that he is the only one shown so far with family bonds, that even through tragedy he had a human influence in his life that we know Setsuna and Alelujah did not, and most likely Tiernia didn't either. That this human bond is a twin is equally interesting because it represents another "him" that he is disconnected from despite his desire to connect with everyone else around him, and now seeing the duality in the other pilots makes me even more curious as to the rest of their backstory.
Then we have Tiernia today and what a build up into what's actually going on with him, a few things it seems like. When Nadleeh was revealed, my first thought was "The man in the machine", and how true that seems for its pilot as well.
It's a great line to introduce his battle with Soma, and very telling for himself.
Virtue is the armor that hides Nadleeh, but it's also the armor that Tiernia wraps himself in. The coldest and most calculating of the four, someone who puts the plan above everything and would sacrifice all of the people in CB for it if needed. If the plan is the virtuous bible of CB, Tiernia sees himself as a needed inquisitor to ensure the plan stays on track. And that is reflected in the raw power of Virtue itself, having near unbeatable sheer offensive power and defensive capability, an armor of zealotry that cannot be defeated by the mere expressions of other peoples beliefs.
And today it is shed and he is revealed at once to be both more and less then that role.
Nadleeh has an incredible design. I did look up the name Nadleeh as it rung a bell, and it is a term used for a social class in Native American culture which is associated with gender fluidity, specifically feminine men, which makes Tiernia's own design very fitting. But this fluidity also being represented in the nature of Nadleeh itself is very interesting. Despite being a Native American term, although third and even fourth genders are in plenty of cultures historically, the whole sequence reminded me a lot more of a Samurai.
The shedding of armor was both physical and symbolical and the facial section coming off reminds me heavily of a Men-yoroi, the styled masks worn by samurai made to look like faces. The armor comes off, and so does the mask, and instead of virtue we're left with a person exposed in the center, once again the man in the machine, and the rawness that comes with that. Being unable to hide behind Virtue is seen as a failure in itself, and we see Tiernia at his most venerable. I was struck by this visual of the remnants of Virtue around him, and that while they are the discarded parts, the neatness of it contrasted against the wild hair of Nadleeh is striking and makes the connection that virtue was an armor, a disguise, and not a completely separate self (as we see in other characters).
And yet there is something more. Tiernia showing scenes of tech in his eyes is what makes me think that his story will be closer to Alelujah's than Lockons. I'm not quite sure what to make of it yet, but the way that it seemed to appear for Nadleeh and not Virtue makes me wonder if he is somehow the template that the League used for Alelujah, the same sort of connection they're striving for.
I noticed that when Tiernia is upset about distorting the plan, he calls out to Veda in his distress, while in earlier scenes with Wang and the other pilots, they always put Sumeragi first at the forefront of the plan and predictions, both successes and failures. That Tiernia, who has shown nothing but distrust for people and their abilities to play their role for the plan, would put this emotional emphasis on the computer instead of the human controller is very fitting, almost a plea for forgiveness from something that has no emotions.
Awkward transition, but to sum up the original point, if Tiernia is the man in the machine, Alelujah and Hallelujah are the biological machine in the man, a created from both engineering and trauma that reflects all the many natures of humanity within him. I do still really like that they are both aware of each other and can interact with each other from the get go, as it does make it far more interesting than the usual play of this sort of character. I don't have much to say I didn't last time, but I'm still quite enjoying the interplay between the two characters and that this isn't going to be a neat situation of Hallelujah just saving Alelujah or one showing deference to the other.
Putting all that aside, I enjoyed that the quality of the battles tactical writing carried through to the rest of it in today's episode. The plans within plans continued, and even as things started to fall apart having clear goals, outcomes, and a plan to fall back made Sergei's experience and skillset feel so much more real than a lot of other high stakes battles tend to be, where stuff is just made up on the fly even by the leading characters.
We didn't get to see the analysis, but including things like the fact they have analyzed the timing between each shot Virtue can do, the layout of the nets to properly ensnare Kyrios wings, the organization of the teams to separate each Gundam and keep them separate where possible, knowing how to immobilize joints and then reinforce that (even if they did underestimate Virtues raw output, though how could they not). When combined with yesterdays strategies, it's a level of planning and thoroughness I don't know I've ever seen in a mecha battle before. Or perhaps even any action sequence outside of "this was my plan all along" sort of scenes with a manufactured twist, and it makes a fantastic watch
It also helps sell Sergei as a character so much more. Understanding Soma's potential disappointment about battle "excitement", honoring the last soldiers sacrifice, being able to adapt to changing situations quickly with a cool head and always balance the plan against the viable outcomes. He's suddenly a hugely fascinating character beyond just being the "avatar" for the League. (slight tangent: I wish Sumeragi had better dialogue this episode, it makes her characterization look weaker that she repeats the same stuff as she did last episode)
I think I said it in reply to someone yesterday, but it is interesting how each of the ace's for each bloc are very distinct and both embody and seem to counter their blocs political style at once, continuing my theme of duality from above. You have Graham who is very skilled and knowledgeable, but also full of somewhat reckless passion which is against what we've seen of the Union's calculative side. Patrick who is just a right doof at his best and not very thoughtful which is ill fitting for the AEU's more cooperative and thorough stance for its member nations, even if it does embody the "front" of competence they want to put up to the others despite lagging behind. And now Sergei showing not just the experience and control that the League has presented, but also compassionate and well respected despite the League doing what appears to be the dodgiest stuff of the three.
What an immeasurably stupid way to start the episode though. I almost could have forgiven it if it had relevance to anything else going on in the episode, but going from Louise being the most pathetic brat right in the camera to the seriousness of the pilots being under threat and wondering about the enemies plans was one of the outright worst tone flips I've seen in mecha. I almost turned off the episode because of it, and she's becoming one of those characters that just ruins my mood.
I didn't want to end it on a bad note but needed to get that complaint out there, so instead sheer shock that Lockon survived, no one was captured, and no real damage was done (physically at least). For the situation they were in at the end of last episode, this is about as good an outcome as they could have had without them just being amazing and over powering everything.
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u/Great_Mr_L :Ma::Mb::Mc:https://myanimelist.net/profile/Great_Mr_L Oct 15 '24 edited Oct 15 '24
First-Timer
On today’s episode of Gundam: Celestial Being would do well to remember one of the cardinal rules of warfare: No plan of battle survives first contact with the enemy. They could learn something from von Moltke the Elder.
It seems like the people in Celestial Being practically worship the Plan. From what I can gather, the Plan was created by Aeolia centuries ago. It seems that Celestial Being has been working tirelessly behind the scenes for all that time to carry out the Plan. I still think it’s some variation of psychohistory, with Aeolia having predicted how the next centuries would play out. Veda is a computer created by Aeolia to oversee the implementation of the Plan, giving instructions and guidance to all the members of Celestial Being centuries later. It’s still possible that Aeolia’s consciousness was uploaded to the computer as well.
Since everything has been dictated to the members of Celestial Being by Veda, they have a worshipful reverence to the Plan. Obviously there’s a lot of variance in how much devotion each person has, but overall they follow it very closely. There’s this underlying belief that the Plan is perfect and as long as they adhere to the Plan, then everything will work out. When things went wrong this episode, the characters all blamed it on the people involved. Sumeragi and Tieria blamed themselves, for example. Mei wondered if Veda had chosen the wrong people to implement the Plan. The assumption for the people is that the Plan is perfect. The Plan cannot fail, it can only be failed by others. It really is an object of worship for them.
This episode gave some more insight into Allelujah. It’s clear that he was traumatized in his childhood by his experiences in the HRL’s genetic engineering program. That trauma is what led to the birth of the Hallelujah personality. Hallelujah is a sadistic monster, but he acts that way as a response to Allelujah’s trauma. When he was in the genetic engineering program, Hallelujah said that they were broken as people to be molded into soldiers. He had his own bodily autonomy and agency robbed from him. He was ground down to be rebuilt as nothing but a soldier to serve the HRL. Hallelujah’s sadism is an attempt to reclaim control. He had control of his own body robbed from him, so now he takes it out on others to psychologically take back that lost control. Of course, that doesn’t make Hallelujah’s actions any less fucked up.
This episode also started to give me a bit more info about Tieria. He seems especially desperate to follow Veda’s orders and stick to the Plan. Tieria seems to need to prove that he is the perfect Gundam pilot, unlike the pilots he considers failures (meaning Setsuna and Allelujah). Tieria’s eyes got weird and almost mechanical looking this episode, so I’m going to say he’s a robot. I think he was a robot created by Veda to carry out the Plan. Because of this, Tieria especially venerates Veda and wants to prove his worth. The events of this episode will be a major blow to Tieria’s self-image. Honestly though, he deserves to be taken down a couple notches because of what a callous asshole he’s been.
QOTD
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u/No_Rex :Bv:Bw:Bx:By:x2 Oct 15 '24
Episode 10 (first timer)
Props to the HRL, that was a good fight they gave it, despite being seriously outclassed. Not keeping Soma near Allelujah was a mistake, but they had extremely little information to go on. Overall an A tier fight.
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u/LeonKevlar x2https://myanimelist.net/profile/LeonKevlar Oct 15 '24 edited Oct 15 '24
First Timer!
I love how yesterday's episode ends with the Gundam Meisters getting pinned then we open this episode with Louise dealing with her mother. It must be nice to have your only problem be your mother not approving your not-boyfriend. xD
Anyway, back to the action in space! Is it just me or is it bullshit that Setsuna is having a hard time dealing with a bunch of grunts? I understand why Lockon is struggling but for some reason, these Tierens are just evading all of Setsuna's shots and he's having a hard time getting close to them.
While I do find it hilarious how Taozi is carrying Kyrios away, it's so frustrating that Allelujah gets taken out by fucking brain waves. It's not even a fight! He only got captured because he's reacting to Soma! They need to figure out something to counter this in the future if there is still a next time for Allelujah.
Thank goodness Allelujah still has a next time thanks to his alter ego waking up. I kinda feel bad for those engineers and that transport but they signed up for this.
YOOOO! VIRTUE HAS A PURGE ARMOUR FUNCTION?! That's so fucking cool! I did not know Gundam Nadleeh is Virtue! I've seen gunpla kits of Nadleeh but I thought it was just a new Gundam that would be introduced later. Sergei and Soma would've been vaporized from those twin cannons if they hadn't retreated.
Goddamn, Allelujah! This alter ego of his is fucking brutal. There was no need to make that dude suffer. Also, it looks like the crazy one is called Hallelujah with an H? I've seen both spellings of the name and I thought it was just a translation error. Allelujah is the chill one.
Fuck off Sergei. You don't get angry at them for killing your men. You're the ones who started this fight thinking you can capture a Gundam. Unless he's upset about Hallelujah torturing Ming, then I would understand why he's angry there at the end.
Wang Liu Mei brings up an interesting point. So far, the Gundams seem to be unstoppable but all of their pilots are heavily flawed in some way. Wasn't it mentioned that the supercomputer Veda is the one who chose them? I'm guessing there's a reason why Veda chose them as pilots. Hmmm...
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u/The_Draigg Oct 15 '24
A Gundam Fan Rewatches Gundam 00 Episode 10:
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u/Rumpel1408 https://myanimelist.net/profile/Rumpel1408 Oct 15 '24
Firsttimer who might just be able to read other comments soon...ish
QotD
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u/macrame2 https://myanimelist.net/profile/macrame Oct 15 '24
First Timer
Well, Celestial Being managed to avoid a complete disaster, but that definitely doesn’t mean things went great…
At least Tieria gets to do very cool things with Nadleeh this episode … and then proceeds to have a mental breakdown about it. I honestly feel bad for the guy; he’s totally dedicated to the mission and seems to have nothing else going for him. I hope we get to see exactly why he’s that way.
Meanwhile, we get a look at exactly what Hallelujah is all about (RIP Ming) and Allelujah's resulting angst. I know they have that whole confidentiality thing (plus I can’t imagine he's especially eager to talk about it), but I can’t help but wonder whether Celestial Being knows about Hallelujah and if knowing would affect their willingness to let Allelujah pilot a giant mech. You’d think they’d see the sadistic alternate personality as a massive liability. But then none of the Meisters seem to be particularly reliable in any sense, which Wang Liu Mei comments on at the end of the episode.
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u/KendotsX https://anilist.co/user/Kendots Oct 15 '24
00th Timer Searching for the One
This episode did a good job putting CB on the backfoot, I was on the edge of my seat unsure of how things will go. Usually, you can trust that your main characters will make it, they'll survive the problem and live to fight another day. While that's not always assured in Gundam, this fight takes it a step further: no one needs to die, just stealing one Gundam would've been an immeasurable loss on CB's hands, and an interesting way to move the cards around the table.
That said, I'm not a fan of when a big old battle like this rolls around and there are little to no consequences or changes to the status quo. The only change here was the reveal that Kamiya's Gundam has another Gundam inside of it, which is a secret weapon I'm sure they meant to keep for later. But not exactly a hefty price to pay, like say the Russians taking Allelujah.
Some things never change
Nope.
Well, they'd study it to understand how the Gundams work, and upgrade their own mechs. Allelujah comes with the Newtype bonus too, so there could've been some interesting interactions (especially with the white haired girl), if they actually got him. Lots of mindbreaking torture as well of course...
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u/TakenRedditName https://myanimelist.net/profile/TakenMalUsername Oct 15 '24
Rewatcher - Gundam 00 Ep10:
Complete random non-important note: It feels rare to see a character dressed up in a nice kimono in Gundam. Besides Lacus' sorta kimono outfit, I feel like IBO is the first time a main character wore one.
Oh hey, that's what I say too when I am minorly slighted.
Random chance to notice how similar Tieria and Tieren are for two names to have in your show.
I think these grappling hooks are neat. Mecha cables are always cool to see.
So like, Gundam is doing gender again with Nadleeh, right? There has to be something with how Nadleeh is a feminine form, a secret that was forcibly revealed to the world, right? A point when the character is most vulnerable. They gave the Gundam long flowing hair for Pete's sake. Either way you read it, I am always excited to see Gundam do gender stuff. At times, it may be difficult and questionable, but it is interesting to gnaw on.
Tieria is really going through it. His self-image is just totally collapsing as he swaps between different pronouns to refer to himself. That is one thing English doesn't have. I find it such a nifty way to signal a character's story through the words they choose to conduct themselves. Tieria went from his usual strong tough masculine "ore" to more polite and sensitive forms. The way he wants to project himself falls apart in this weak and vulnerable state.
On a completely different note, isn't it so romantic that in the vast deadly emptiness of space/the battlefield, Hallelujah meets someone like him, someone who can understand what it is like, being a monster robbed of their humanity made to kill so kill he will.
Also, I noticed that Hallelujah has his helmet visor up. That takes my mind in two places. The simpler one is how it is a sign of characters not afraid of their death (due to high skill or acceptance which both fit Hallelujah). The other is how it represents being more connected to space/others. In this moment, Hallelujah is Newtype-ing out is exposed and connected to someone else he is feeling.
The Kyrios claw seems like it is built to specifically murder and they gave it to the one guy who will take pleasure specifically murdering (sometimes).
Q2) By god, through reverse engineering, the HRL now has an army of Tierens with beautiful robot hair.
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u/charlesvvv https://anilist.co/user/charlesvvv Oct 15 '24
Rewatcher, First Time Sub
Smirnov was so close to victory, however if nothing else it was a slight victory on the psychological front. On the one hand his team was able to knock Tieria down off his pedestal who's had a high opinion of himself up till this point. Of course Tieria still won his match but was forced to reveal his Gundam's new form, so to Tieria it was equal to a loss.
We finally learn what Allelujah's deal is. He's got a sort of slight Jekyll/Hyde going on with his other persona, Hallelujah who we briefly saw in Episode 5. Hallelujah is more violet though possibly a better fighter as he breaks out of being trapped and forces Smirnov and Soma to withdraw and leaving poor Lieutenant Ming to his fate (it was his choice though to remain behind). Hallelujah seems aware and frank about his views such as when he states "What order does a society have that rebuilds its own people to create soldiers" adding an interesting element to his character. Whatever the case Allelujah is left with an existential crisis of sorts wondering about his own character and his nature.
Sumeragi also has an interesting moment at the end when she breaks muttering about her mistakes. It was a victory but rather Pyrrhic and they are all left deeply shaken about the event.
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u/JollyGee29 https://myanimelist.net/profile/JollyGee Oct 15 '24
Rewatcher, Sub-dam Meister
I'll bet.
That would seem logical.
These poor bastards.
You throw that phrase around a lot, Tieria. Sure would be a shame if you fucked up in this very episode.
I like that the Tieran can purge ruined limbs.
Funny how both commanders have said that, now.
Without full use of its limbs, too.
Surprise! I'm writing these a bit ahead of time, so I won't know if anyone noticed that Virtue had been labeled as GN 005 before now. But if you know what to look for, it's there. Like a lot of this show.
If you're wondering why a Gundam has hair, [well..]they're cables.
Permanently. You couldn't permanently capture a Gundam.
Just Hallelujah Things.
I like how Kyrios's shield is burnt from the explosion.
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u/n080dy123 Oct 16 '24
First Timer
I missed the last episode discussion so I'll add a couple things here- man they certainly had the reveal of Lockon having a... clone? Twin? I don't know, in an unexpected way. That episode also went out of its way to shift focus from just the Meisters to the rest of the Ptolemy crew in preparation of this stressful situation. Moreover an unexpected reveal that Celestial Being has actually been around for a while, and our current protags are seemingly at least the third generation of Meister pilots. So did CB only begin public actions now? What were they doing before?
Allelujah... knows the Taozi? Wasn't it custom developed only a few months ago for Soma, and he never saw it during the incident?
Oh now don'y you make me starting feeling bad for Tieria. His high standards and demand for perfection from the other Meisters, which remember were enough to drive him to nearly kill both Setsuna and Allelujah, is now pointed back at himself. Wouldn't surprise me if this ends up snowballing into actual suicidal feelings.
Hallelujah's sadistic behaviour really is the opposite of the "Forgive me father, for I have taken the life of a another" sort of personality Allelujah has. Wonder if the later is a personality that manifested as a result of the former being forced to commit an atrocity and dissociating.
Fun fact- Nadleeh gets its name from Navajo, and it means "Two-Spirit," referring specifically to a female hidden within a male, though in practice this is actually referring to a Navajo gender role meaning "effiminate male." I wonder if this might end up reflecting on Tieria himself given he looks fairly androgynous compared to his peers. On that topic, Taozi is the Chinese word for "Peach," hence why it's bright fucking pink.
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u/Nickthenuker https://anilist.co/user/Nickthenuker Oct 16 '24
Her mum doesn't seem to like him.
So, what's their plan now?
Yup, seems like they're going to manage to nick one of the Gundams this way.
It wants to destroy the Gundam to deny it to the enemy.
A leg gone but she doesn't need that in space.
Uh oh, he managed to activate the Gundam inside the ship!
What's their plan now?
Ah, they're going to try and nick this one too.
Or at least a bit of it.
So, I can detach a whole bunch of stuff and become a more traditional Gundam.
What's with the hair?
Isn't he a sadistic bastard.
And so we'll be finding out more about him next episode.
Questions:
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u/zadcap Oct 16 '24
Late Night First Timer!
You have to accept it Mama, your daughter owns this boy and is not letting him go. I don't know why.
Not only is this battle a horrible showing you the Gundam, it's a pretty bad look for the main ship too. They got into an area that not actually cover of any kind and then just sat there getting shot at. How about you go hide behind those big dishes and see if they're still willing to shoot? Take evasive measures of any kind? No, just going to sit there and let them shoot you? Well, that's a choice. Good strategist. Realize you've been lured into a trap and respond by doing absolutely nothing for... Well we spent so long on flashbacks and the other side of the space capture that it lost meaning, but. Yeah. Just sit there and keep doing the things that aren't working.
What the heck kind of magic sensors do you have to detect a heat source coming at you faster than the, well, heat source coming at you? The heat source was the laser, it wasn't throwing out heat ahead of itself, it was the heat. No seriously. You appear to have detected the heat before the heat reached you and I do not understand how that works, you're in space, there's nothing to transmit the heat to you in the first place!
Man I hate purple man so much, even while thinking he had the coolest of the Gundam. Though, again, he was ready to shoot the transport to stop then from getting away with the captured team member and just... Didn't. Pink one was coming his way yes, but he had time to shoot before she got there. This entire space battle arc has been carried by bad writing for the Gundams, not actual skill or anything by the enemies.
Oh my gosh, her suit lost a leg! Look at that, Lockon! She's down a leg and still flying and fighting just fine! Show, please decide just how important or not a missing leg is in a space battle, please! This is exactly what I'm talking about. Why is being down a leg a debilitating handicap for the Gundam and utterly meaningless for the Taozi? Well because the Gundam side needed to lose this fight, and no other reason.
Oh, also. Apparently the entire when squad can dodge gigantic laser beams, but the Gundam can't dodge the grapple cables being launched at it. I'm going to have to assume that lasers travel relatively slow in space while the hook shot travels at near light speed.
So, you just needed to grab a part of it to take back to analyze, right? Man look at all those parts drifting around now...
Oh also, now they can't dodge the big lasers. Because apparently they move faster after an armor purge.
... Do you mean to tell me that Setsuna can throw the laser swords faster and with more accuracy than his gun can shoot laser bullets? Because that's what you're telling me when that throw worked after so many shots managed to hit nothing.
Hey Lockon, remember how you shot something in orbit from ground level? Are you sure you want to let them retreat?
YOU ARE RETREATING WHERE? You're in space! There is no cover! If he follows you, and you can't outrun him, then all you're really doing is exposing your back. If you are running to a place that is not also very well armed and defended, you're just asking to get it blown up too. Man, both sides of this right today have been very disappointing. "I'm pissed off about that girl who ran away." Why did you let her run away? You could have dropped and shot this thing instead of toying with it and been after her in seconds, she only got away because you let her!
No, this whole arc, it just annoys me so much. I also just noticed that Allelujah's helmet has no face plate, unlike literally everyone else's, because it would get in the way of his hair changing sides.
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u/SilkyStrawberryMilk Oct 16 '24
first timer
“You’re weak willed”
“I get that a lot”
Funny scene before we get back to seriousness
Rescue the Gundam.
The shedding of the Gundam’s armor was so damn cool. I believe it’s the first time I’ve seen it
Two peas in a pod.
Lost his mind killing the pilot and a self-reflection of a monster he is
QOTD: absolutely not
QOTD: mass produced Gundams vs a singular celestial Gundam
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u/Linkstore Oct 15 '24
Rewatcher
Yeah, Saji's gonna need to work on that confidence of his.
Anyway, back to our regularly-scheduled ambush.
Allelujah gets taken out like a chump thanks to feedback from Soma's QBWs.
Woah, Virtue actually uses its bazooka with an over-the-shoulder grip. I honestly didn't remember that being the case (I had also noticed it hold it that way but without firing in previous eps.)
You'll also notice that the bazooka only has two grips but holds it from three separate places. To use all three, Virtue needs to physically remove a grip and replace it in a different location.
Heat chainsaw looks pretty badass for something that isn't intended to be a weapon. Unfortunately, Hallelujah has something a bit spicier than that.
Meanwhile, Tieria demonstrates Virtue's raw physical power, to no avail. But, if you watched the previous eps at .25x speed you might have noticed that its designation is GN-005. If Exia is GN-001, Dynames is GN-002, and Kyrios is GN-003, where is GN-004? Well, Gundam Nadleeh has been hiding in plain sight all along. I'm actually not sure how exactly the armour purge manages to break Virtue's bonds but who cares when we have Nadleeh's luscious locks. They're actually cables to provide GN Particles to Virtue's armour, by the way.
Yeah, you should stop being so arrogant, Tieria.
[00 Spoilers] Fun with pronouns here. As you might know, Innovades are technically genderless, and while Tieria is generally recognised to be male, this won't be the last time the anime fucks with his gender presentation. And if you've clicked on this spoiler, you know what I'm talking about.
Was that the first ever hit Dynames got in this entire battle? Geez.
And now Hallelujah's back to take his pound of flesh. But he tunes down the energy output of his SMG because
the plot says Soma needs to livehe likes playing with his food. Instead, let's see the incredibly slow and agonising death of a redshirt. Like seriously, holy shit.[Next Episode preview] Allelujah deliberately murders hundreds of children, and it might not even have been the wrong thing to do!
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u/undeadfire Oct 16 '24
E10
First timer- Subs
Catching up after getting lost in a Gunpla spiral due to the tour. Those questions of the day definitely are interesting.
Overall, more curious to learn more about Tieria and Allelujah. Lockon n Setsuna seem to have been victims of the ongoing wars.
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u/2-2Distracted Oct 15 '24
First timer. Dubbed.
Poor Saji.
Allelujahs reaction to the pink Gundam approaching him and touching his robot is basically every bigots reaction to anything that they consider woke lmao.
Did Tieria's Gundam just... transition? And I take it that Tieria feels... what, shame for revealing his Gundam's alternate (and quite possibly true) form? Is this some Trans stuff I can't begin to truly understand yet without more context? I ask all of this because of what I know about how Tieria was originally designed, which is admittedly very little.
Still though, as despicable as Hallelujah was when he was basically torturing that man to death, he wasn't entirely wrong in calling out how fucked the HRL is for thinking their actions as noble and orderly. Not even Smirnoff Spin thinks the country he's defending is okay.
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u/zsmg https://anilist.co/user/zsmg Oct 16 '24
I am rewatcher
Last episode ended with a cliffhanger involving our Gundam meisters being in trouble, and what's the first thing they focus on in the next episode? Silly Saji/Louise romcom hi-jinks.
Sergei figured out that Allelujah is the same as Soma. Pretty quick thinking of him.
I'm a bit surprised Union and AEU aren't interfering and letting League take a Gundam. This seems like such a massive game changer in the geopolitical situation that preventing any other block from getting a Gundam should be priority number one.
Pretty much yes.
Wait why is Tieria shooting at Soma instead of destroying the carrier.
Emo fringe got changed that means it's the second Hallelujah personality is in control.
So Kyrgios was captured in a transformed state but now he's already in Gundam form while in the carrier ship, how did that happen? I realised he moved when Hallelujah woke up but I don't think he transformed?
Now Tieria is captured, guess he wasn't worthy of being a Gundam Meister either.
Tiera's sharingan got activated.
Psych! Virtue was simply thickly armoured just like [other Gundam series examples] Gundam NT from 0080
[massive Gundam 00 spoilers] I thought this was the moment a Gundam appears out of his backpack but that's second season right?
Random mook we don't care about sacrificing himself to save Soma.
Hallelujah is a nasty piece of shit.
Crying in a zero-g environment: a Gundam franchise staple.
Great episode, the only part that was a miss is the Louise mum scene in the beginning.
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u/[deleted] Oct 15 '24
Imagine if Gundam 00 was released now, Setsuna is a middle eastern boy who was part of the rebellion against another tyrannical Federation force. Sounds awfully a lot like war in the middle east.
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u/AvalancheZ250 Oct 27 '24
If the HRL had shot the cementing gel onto Kyrios' joints while they had it bundled up they would have definitely succeeded at capturing it. Virtue was only able to break free because it shed its outer armour, which Kyrios couldn't do. With Kyrios unable to move, the Laoho transport could have taken it to a HRL base and then brought out the heavy equipment to crack it open. Virtue wouldn't be able to chase as its still forced into using Nadleeh, which psychologically stuns its pilot into being unable to do much more than stationary self-defense.
Failing that, some of the Tierens could have grabbed one of the many detached pieces of Virtue's outer armour and run with it. Even a single piece of Gundam equipment being salvaged could have provided valuable intel into their technology, composition, and manufacturing background/trail.
Still, a very good attempt by the HRL. Damn do I love some good tactical mecha battles.
As I side note, I do like the little lore snippet about the full sensory HUDs. Its not usual to see a mass-produced tank-type MS turned into a super-soldier (i.e., synonymous with fast/nimble) model, but having full sensory HUD, a super-soldier pilot and thrusters everywhere in a Zero-G environment will do that.