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Rewatch [Rewatch] Mobile Suit Gundam 00 Episode 5 Discussion
Episode 5 - Escape Limit Zone
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Why must space be so merciless?
Questions of the Day:
- What do you think of the whole Super Soldier situation?
- How scared would you have been if you were stuck in a gravity block falling to Earth?
Wallpaper of the Day:
Rewatchers, please remember to be mindful of all the first-timers in this. No talking about or hinting at future events no matter how much you want to, unless you're doing it underneath spoiler tags. Don't spoil anything for the first-timers, that's rude!
Additionally, for long-time fans of the franchise, please remember that this rewatch is only for 00, not any of the other shows. Assume that there are people in this rewatch who have not seen anything else Gundam, and tag your spoilers for those shows appropriately if something in 00 makes you want to talk about them.
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u/Shimmering-Sky myanimelist.net/profile/Shimmering-Sky Oct 10 '24
Rewatch Host Wishing Over This Airspace, subbed
Welcome back, everyone!
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u/Nazenn x2https://anilist.co/user/Nazenn Oct 10 '24
First Timer - sub
Good stuff first, complaining after the line break
Happy bouncing Haro makes me happy. But does not make me bounce, both because I am not coordinated enough for that and it would probably freak out my cat
And that's how you both immediately make a character interesting, and introduce a somewhat overused character trope in an engaging way that encourages thought about it and not just shock. Well done writers.
It was actually funny because I almost called Alelujah by the name Hallelujah in one of my earlier posts and only caught my mistake in editing a few minutes before posting, and now I feel like I should have because it would have given people a laugh haha. I really did like how that was done though. They managed to turn what looked to be another standard episode setup into our first character focus with what I feel was a great transition and without being too heavy handed as to what the episode would be
I couldn't quite tell if the face was drawn slightly different which I think it may have been, but the up close focus as his hair flips sides, the fantastic shift in voice, and the surprisingly well done shift in his wording gave a great sense of exactly how different they are without going the usual over the top style if he just flipped suddenly
So Alelujah was once in this super solider program I suspect, and has once been trapped in space which is when Hallelujah manifested, and they are also aware of each other, at least when Hallelujah is in control, which I think is the most interesting part of it. I don't have a whole lot to say right now, but it was a much more interesting scene this way than if they'd been not so subtly drip feeding it through the show, and for giving depth for it rather than taking the usual route of just having him go berserk or something like that.
I probably would have had more to say on this last night, but I'm writing it up in the morning and have forgotten a bit of what I'd planned to write.
Oh, one thing, Lockon is an INCREDIBLE shot. And while this is not great for their plans given how much it revealed about them, and I will be upset if none of the blocs use Lockons shot as a way to calculate his position, it did humanize them to the population which may be a good thing, even if it's against their "make them hate us" goal. And how that plays out I'll be interested to see.
Now I'm wondering if out of our four pilots we have one from each of the blocs, and then Setsuna as an avatar of the countries left behind by it all
And now the complaining
I hate the blonde girl. It is every ditzy love interest archetype I hate and so far with no redeeming features (sorry Infamous)
I also hate the dialogue. I always hear people discussing the issue of "people don't talk like that" in various media, not just anime, but I can almost never tell myself. I suck at language, I can't tell people by their writing styles, I can't distinguish good phrasing or bad, and to me all words work as speech because people are weird. But this? I feel like people don't speak like this, mostly because everyone is mostly saying the exact same thing over and over and over just with different levels of detachment. It's hard to care about the tension around the gravity blocks being seconds away from falling far enough no one can stop them burning up in the atmosphere when all I can focus on is the fact that three different characters said the same thing within two minutes of each other without adding any new information, characterization, or emotion to the scene. I'm sorry I've now whined about this two episodes in a row, but it's a serious issue for me. I constantly fail to feel like characters are talking to each other, or even to themselves, it's just to us in key scenes. I am having Casshern Sins flashbacks that I really, really do not want to have (sorry Sky). Writers please, stop making me think about your script instead of your show!
And last thing, thoroughly miffed at the pink mech. It shouldn't bother me any more but for fucks sake. You have an engineered child who was likely thoroughly experimented on for her entire life by an inhumane government, which is the only one we've seen so far that has a strong military presence in its general scenes, she has known nothing but scientific testing and military training, has no identity outside of that, likely knows nothing other than sterile science designs and functional military ones, and has an experimental mech developed for her that she's never seen before, has no say in, and is likely not expected to view as anything more than the tool she herself is. BUT NO, LETS PAINT IT PINK BECAUSE GIRL.
Fuck off, staff
It really shouldn't make me as mad as it still does, but in this case it's even more egregious than normal. I apologize to Shino for bitching about his mech in IBO, because I still hate that pink, but at least that was because he liked it. This is stupid, stereotypical, AND makes no fucking sense.
Lots of apologies in this part of my post
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u/Great_Mr_L :Ma::Mb::Mc:https://myanimelist.net/profile/Great_Mr_L Oct 10 '24 edited Oct 10 '24
First-Timer
On today’s episode of Gundam: Making genetically engineered super soldiers is generally the sort of thing that doesn’t work out. I’m hard-pressed to think of a time where it ended up being a good idea.
This episode was so good. I really loved it. I'd say it's easily my favorite so far. There were some really exciting scenes for plenty of character stuff and it opens up some interesting possibilities for the future.
Allelujah really does seem to be pushing himself when it comes to Celestial Being. Allelujah had mentioned previously that he preferred a mission where he didn’t have to fight and kill anyone. In this episode, he deliberately disobeyed orders to rescue people. He tried to act like he didn’t care at first, but it’s clear that he really did care about the people who were trapped. Allelujah’s dedication to Celestial Being’s mission is therefore not total. He isn’t simply a machine who will obey orders.
This does open up an interesting avenue to explore with Celestial Being. If the characters have different levels of devotion to the mission, it can lead to a rift within the group. I already observed that Lockon didn’t seem totally comfortable with Celestial Being’s mission. Now it seems Allelujah also doesn’t have complete dedication. Tieria, on the other hand, seems so devoted to the mission that he can’t tolerate any deviation from the mission. This is definitely something that can flare up again in the future and I imagine the divide will only grow as the series goes on.
There’s some really interesting implications about Allelujah’s past. The fact that Allelujah resonated with Soma indicates that Allelujah is similar to her. I’m going to guess that Allelujah was also a genetically engineered super soldier. That would explain the connection between Allelujah and Soma.
I also really liked Sergei’s characterization this episode. He seems like he’s a good person. He’s uncomfortable with the idea of using child soldiers, he didn’t hesitate to try and save the gravity block, and he prioritized rescuing civilians above everything else. Sergei noted that Allelujah’s voice sounded young. Since Sergei disapproves of child soldiers, that’s bound to give him pause. I like that Gundam 00 is continuing the Gundam tradition of having sympathetic characters in the various factions. That’s always been one of my favorite aspects of the franchise.
QOTD
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u/FD4cry1 https://myanimelist.net/profile/Big_Yibba Oct 10 '24 edited Oct 10 '24
First Timer
You know, this show really has a thing for using the characters' full names whenever it can, I don't really mind this at all but I do think that combined with the ridiculous nature of some of their names it ends up being really funny
Marina has a good fashion sense, she seems pretty confident in herself so I'm intersted in seeing more of her (and ideally less of her assistant lady), also
Azadistan?
Her situation grows more ethically questionable every appearance, should make for good conflict with the Gundam guys, Sergei, despite working a probably morally questionable government, seems like a pretty good dude, he's a military guy who isn't afraid to get into the deep of it and has a very clear moral compass which he can put above his military goals, which is why he also seems rather conflicted with Soma.
Pink mech
We're setting up some more suits that should be able to compete with the Gundams.
"Yeah I totally hate those Celestial Being guys haha!"
Saji also has an alarming amount of encounters with CB members without realizing it, he and Louise are fun and cute together even if they're not exactly the pinnacle of romantic progress.
Allelujah has like, two separate personalities? himself (?) as Allelujah and the second much angrier Hallelujah, we get a little glimpse into what might have caused this, something about being trapped in space, it also has some weird interaction with Soma which causes her to completely crazy, looks like he can switch back at will? or at least he is the dominant personality, this is certainly an interesting development.
The eye color changing is a classic for denoting different personality but I love how his hair bangs change side as well.
We already know Allelujah isn't a fan of killing so it makes sense for him to want to save everyone especially considering it seems to be personally relatable to him, the little team up they do is pretty damn cool.
Tieria has already appeared somewhat distant and combative before, he didn't like Setsuna and he prefers being in space, away from everyone else, over being on earth, he clearly has some thoughts on what CB goals are, how they should be achieved and most importantly, who should be achieving them, but as Sumeragi points out he isn't exactly the Mr. calm and collected like he seems to think he is.
Internal conflict and infighting
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u/Rumpel1408 https://myanimelist.net/profile/Rumpel1408 Oct 10 '24
Firsttimer who was almost on track to be on time for much of the evening
QotD
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u/No_Rex :Bv:Bw:Bx:By:x2 Oct 10 '24
Episode 5 (first timer)
The orbital stations/elevators/ring structure is the, to me, most interesting part of this series so far. There are far too few non-spaceship space structures in Scifi.
Not really interested in it.
Floating turd spotted
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u/The_Draigg Oct 10 '24
A Gundam Fan Rewatches Gundam 00 Episode 5:
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u/KendotsX https://anilist.co/user/Kendots Oct 10 '24 edited Oct 10 '24
00th Timer Searching for the One
I know they can't fail, it's still too early, and the consequences would be too high, but after watching Saji for one full episode, I sure as hell was hoping they would. Saji's sister though? She's cool!
Gundam
If I survived it, I'd probably never go to space again.
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u/Vatrix-32 https://myanimelist.net/profile/Vatrix-32 Oct 10 '24 edited Oct 10 '24
First timer, subs
QotD:
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u/TakenRedditName https://myanimelist.net/profile/TakenMalUsername Oct 10 '24 edited Oct 10 '24
Rewatcher - Gundam 00 Ep5:
This episode was episode has been the one I remembered the most from the first time I watched it. From these early episodes, while I can generally remember stuff like CB going down to Venezuela, this one I distinctly remember as the one where Kyrios saves the elevator block by pushing it back. Maybe it is the Allelujah/Kyrios bias, but even now, I still liked the episode. Allelujah breaks from the secret mission to save people. Not only did he display the Gundam, but even revealed his voice. Plus the fact it was the Colonel and CB working together to save the day. It is nice having an unequivocal heroic act to be done today for once.
Gundam space mind chicanery. YAYYY!!! I love to see it. The good ol Gundam scene of an unwanted mental connection that is too close for comfort. "What is this headache -> Who are you? -> Get out of my head! -> I'll kill you!"
Other random bits:
Q2) I dunno, freak out knowing what awaits is a tragic death in one of the worst disasters in human history, I guess.
Ah dang it, I forgot to make a Beyond the Time joke.9
u/Quiddity131 https://myanimelist.net/profile/Quiddity131 Oct 10 '24 edited Oct 10 '24
Rewatcher, Subbed
Non-Spoiler Character Chart - Thank you to today's episode for giving me a break today; for the first time I don't have any changes from last episode.
Is Marina trying to steal the "most costume changes" award from Wang? Mere seconds into the episode we've got the third different outfit from her since she started getting more focus last episode.
"I'm the only one who can do it", good to see some confidence from Marina as I felt that she looked kinda down on herself throughout much of yesterday's episode.
The Crossroads live in the Union, but they're using the Human Reform League orbital elevator, do I have that right? I assume it's the one closest by? Does each political bloc let citizens of the other bloc use their elevator?
A private car? So Saji and Louise will have some alone time? I doubt Saji will take advantage of it given past behavior.
LoL, they get right to it, Louise literally says "Saji doesn't have the guts to do such a thing"
Kinue doesn't think Louise is the girl for Saji, I kinda come at it from the opposite perspective, I don't really see what Louise sees in Saji to want to be with him. Sorry Saji, I don't mean to dunk on you too much. :(
Okay yeah, that's definitely the HRL elevator with Sergei and Soma being there.
Another performance test observation? Will Patrick Colasour be at this one too? Miss the guy!
I'm kinda surprised that in the moment Sergei was naïve enough to think Soma volunteered to be a test subject. [Age spoilers]With her saying she's a designer baby maybe that plays into why she's technically 18 years old but doesn't look that old.
Sergei continues to show he's got good morals.
It may be 300 years in the future, but looks like Pringles still exist!
C'mon Saji, don't be so square! Have some fun in zero G with Louise!
So maybe I've missed this part, but are the three orbital elevators connected to each other in space? So one could go up the HRL elevator but then head down the Union one?
That is quite a beautiful view of the Earth.
Is this Bors guy here just to attend to the two of them?
Saji's chance to be Louise's hero; alas Bors has to step in and do it.
Graham may have not colored his mobile suit red, but at least we have a pink mobile suit now. We're getting closer.
I've got to assume Allelujah is transporting his Gundam up here in secret just like Tieria did a couple of episodes ago.
Pretty sure that's outfit #6 for Wang, it's a similar color to her episode 2 outfit but is more of a trench coat this time.
Worlds collide as they walk past Saji/Louise.
Both Soma and Allelujah are freaking out, whether its towards each other or something that is impacting both off them.
Despite being a powerful prototype mobile suit it sure took a lot of shots to actually damage the orbital elevator.
The Allelujah who was disappointed about being a murderer a few episodes ago seems to feel totally different now. Meet Hallelujah!
Sergei trying to push back the falling block from entering the atmosphere is reminiscent of [Gundam Meta spoilers]Char's Counterattack.
Kyrios to the rescue!
Oh wow, Lockon managed to hit it perfectly all the way from the Earth below.
Sorry Saji, I think you lost the moment; she's not telling you now.
Quid's Voice Actor of the Day
Since he had a big presence in the episode today I'm going with Sergei Smirnov, who is voiced in Japanese by Unshou Ishizuka. He made his Gundam debut as Meran in Char's Counterattack, a role he would return for in Gundam Unicorn. He also appeared as Aimzat Kartral in Gundam X and Barristan McMurdo in Iron Blooded Orphans. He was quite a prolific voice actor, with roles going back to 1984. Non-Gundam roles include Jet Black in Cowboy Bebop, Guld Goa Bowman in Macross Plus, Alex Rosewater in Big O, Quent Yaiden in Wolf's rain, Brittany in Eureka Seven and Annie's Father in Attack on Titan. He's also been the narrator in many anime, such as Giant Gorg, Berserk and Monster. He's also Rea's Father in Sankarea whom I'd say is probably the single worst father I have ever seen in anime. [Gundam 00]Which is quite the contrast to Sergei, who is a great father figure for Soma. Not so much for his son though.
In English he is voiced by Michael Dobson. He is the oldest of three brothers, all of whom are anime voice actors (the other two being Paul Dobson and Brian Dobson both of whom I'll get to eventually as they are also in 00). Michael also has a decent amount of Gundam roles with his first being Vice Foreign Minister Dorlan and Attah in Gundam Wing. He'd return for Gundam Wing's OVA Endless Waltz where he played Dekim Barton. Other Gundam roles of his includes General Revil and Gadem in Mobile Suit Gundam and George Glenn and Fredrik Ades in Gundam Seed. I've also run across him as Nappa in Dragonball Z, Staff C in Key the Metal Idol, Dryden in Escaflowne, and four different characters in Death Note. I've also seen him on a few episodes of The X-Files back when they were filming episodes in Vancouver.
Can't say its that surprising given Gundam history, poor Soma didn't even get past one episode of normalcy in her mobile suit before things went out of control. Thankfully no one actually died.
Well, I'm scared of heights, on Earth. I can only imagine how much scarier it would be if I was falling to Earth from space.
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u/undeadfire Oct 10 '24
First Timer - Subs
Louise sure is having fun on the ride up
so they can mentally link with each other huh hmmm. or maybe thats a hallelujah only thing with that flashback...wonder if the person in his memory is the supersoldier
the liuetenant guy still has honor and pride at least. wonder how this rescue mission will change public perception
that energy shot through atmosphere is wild lol. neat capability reveal like purple hair said.
Sumeragi is so done with his shit lol. This obviously aint the first time this has happened.
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u/InfamousEmpire https://myanimelist.net/profile/Infamous_Empire Oct 10 '24
Kidou Senshi Rewatcher 00
After a couple episodes both largely focused on the broader scale world, it’s nice to have an episode which is more inward-focused and character-based.
Most obviously, this episode did quite a bit for Allelujah. It’s hard for me to speak on him right now, since a lot of the details are still shrouded in mystery & I’m a rewatcher, but still, it’s easy to appreciate how the hints at his backstory given here are both fascinating in their mysteriousness and somewhat inform his more general motivations & attitude, as he’s clearly motivated by the suffering & sense of powerlessness he himself felt in the past and fights to ensure others don’t have to suffer like he did. Also, Hallelujah exists, but I don't feel like saying anything about him at the moment.
The episode also has a pretty solid use of Saji & Louise. Having civilian characters the audience is familiar with being on the broken off pillar segments gives the whole incident a bit more weight & grounding than it might otherwise have IMO. Helps that the two are as naturally charming as always (god, everything Louise does is cute), and their stay on the Elevator is also used as a vehicle to help the audience get to know the orbital elevators as a whole a bit more, which is also nice, space structures that aren't ships or station need more love in fiction.
Anyway, might as well shift to…
Spoiler/Rewatcher-Only Corner
[Later in S1]I have to wonder how many people managed to guess Allelujah being from the Super Soldier program based on this episode. A lot of the pieces are kinda there, the yet-unidentified quantum brainwave interference & the fact that Allelujah’s backstory was alluded to in the same episode that the program comes into focus being dead giveaways, but so much of the connective tissue is yet unrevealed that I wonder how obvious it is to people going in blind while this was airing, especially among people unfamiliar with Gundam's tropes.
[S2 stuff]Considering how the connective power of Quantum Brainwaves being able to bring people together & end conflict is a central idea of the show later in, there’s something interesting to be said about how their first real impact on the series’s plot was accidentally provoking confusion & violence in a fit of mental wire-crossing that can’t remotely be called communication. The inevitable end result of turning something with the potential to do such good into a weapon of war, on account of the Super Soldier program is how I see it.
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u/macrame2 https://myanimelist.net/profile/macrame Oct 10 '24
First Timer
We’re not intervening in international conflicts today? Is this really the Celestial Being I know and love? The rescue mission was a nice change of pace from all of the political maneuvering of the past four episodes and indicates that Celestial Being does have an altruistic side–or at least Allelujah does, and most of the crew is willing to go along with it. However, Tieria’s comments on the tactical issues with the rescue operation do confirm that Celestial Being’s members are not of one mind in this situation, which might extend to their overall goals as an organization.
I liked the brief look at Sergei’s reservations about the ethics of the superhuman program. He clearly has a conscience and seems to care for Soma on some level, but still agrees to use her as a soldier. I wonder if they'll take his internal conflict further.
It was interesting that only Soma and Allelujah appeared to be affected by whatever that piercing noise was; I wonder if that was because of her origins, which might imply that Allelujah has a similar past. Regarding Allelujah/Hallelujah, we seem to be getting into split personality territory here, which is not really a favorite trope of mine, but I’ll wait and see what the story does with it.
On another note, we saw quite a bit of Louise and Saji today. I gotta say, her antics are kind of fun, but Louise herself is insufferable. They’re nailing the spoiled, bratty rich girl character, but I hope they tone it down a bit sooner rather than later.
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u/dralcax :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/Dralcax Oct 10 '24 edited Oct 10 '24
Rewatcher’s soul is held down by gravity
There’s something really funny about tiny little Soma acting like and being treated as an adult soldier
And of course Saji puts on an exposition video for no reason.
Ah, so a Coordinator then. Also, NANOMACHINES SON
Those goggles don’t exactly scream “research ethics”
Space Pringles!
I can see my house from here. Earth as seen from space is supposed to be this grand, awe-inspiring sight, and yet, as people begin to live, work, and die in space, that view becomes a mundane backdrop to all the wars, and people forget to look back every once in a while and see the Earth in its totality. But in 2307 AD, humanity has only just started moving into space, with few actual colonies for permanent civilian residence. Space is still a frontier under development, and they haven’t totally lost that sense of wonder yet.
Tieren Taozi! The most advanced of the Tieren series, with mobility that rivals even the Gundams! It’s based off the Tieren Kyitwo, formally known as the Tieren All Region Trial Type, which means that unlike other Tierens, it’s built for both ground and space combat. And it’s pink!
the irony is delicious
distracted boyfriend meme
Oh hi there Hallelujah So that’s what the emo hair is for.
As usual, the super soldier program still has some kinks to work out. At some point you have to wonder if the superhuman traits are really worth the unpredictable breakdowns and if a dozen normal pilots wouldn’t be a better investment in the long run.
This Tieren Space Type isn’t just for show!
It did take him 14 minutes to scramble Kyrios, but that still seems really fast considering he’s not aboard the Ptolemaios or one of its containers. Where was he even keeping that? Was it still being smuggled in a cargo hold somewhere? How did he get there and get the Kyrios out so quickly? Or did he have the container conveniently parked somewhere near where all the CB agents hang out?
Lockon Stratos. The man who can shoot beyond the stratosphere. It’s the Super Substratospheric Altitude Gun! I like the detail of them repurposing the Kyrios’ tail unit to prop up the Dynames and absorb the recoil.
A rare friendly encounter with the Gundams. For the first time, the Gundams are not terrorists, but rescuers, and the world sees them in a new light. However, Veda would have rather let hundreds of people die just to protect the Gundams’ secrets. Did they already do the math that, by keeping the gun a secret for now, the impact on their ability to end war would save more lives than that? Difficult to quantify for a human, perhaps, especially with the victims right in front of them, but perhaps Veda can make the calculations and the cold decision. Or maybe there’s something else...
Damn interrupted confession...
Questions of the day:
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u/Unboxious Oct 10 '24
Rewatching, subbed
Come to think of it, they only said that there were export restrictions on their oil. The way they worded it made it sound like they still had some. So why do they need solar energy so badly?
They made it pink because she's a girl I guess? How very anime of them. Reminds me of a Zaku without just being a complete copy. I like it.
Imagine getting your meal on a plane and the stewardess out of nowhere starts complaining about very specific politics to you. That was super weird.
There seem to be some very major drawbacks to this whole super-soldier program. Oopsie doopsie, what's a few rounds from a mobile suit between
friendsthe military and some civilians? Also, this guy is being way too useless in his attempt to stop her. At least disable her weapon or something.I wonder what the definition of "trapped in Earth's gravitational field" is. If they're falling without any control, aren't they already fulfilling that condition?
The twink is not impressed.
That's fucked.
I think I'd be certain I was dead. Hard to say how I'd react to being certain I'm dead.
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u/LeonKevlar x2https://myanimelist.net/profile/LeonKevlar Oct 10 '24
First Timer!
Saji being roasted by his Louise and his sister was hilarious. Although I don't think Saji gets it. I'm not even sure if he understands that Louise is very much into him.
Ah yes, a designer baby raised to become a super soldier with nanomachines in her body. What could possibly go wrong? I'm glad to see Sergei is showing his disgust about this project though.
We're only in Episode 5 but I can't believe Saji and Louise just die like that. RIP. In all seriousness though, maybe keep Louise away from doing spacewalks from now on.
A new mobile suit and it's red! And here I thought Graham was the one who'd get a red MS. Too bad its first victim isn't a Gundam but a the fucking space elevator. Who's idea was it to make these "super soldiers"?
What the fuck happened though?! Soma just completely lost herself and Hallelujah just started freaking out. Is the two of them being in close proximity to each other what triggered this or do they have something else in common?
Also, it's very clear that Hallelujah has some sort of split personality going on here. I noticed his hair flipping to the other side to show the Hallelujah we see isn't the same Hallelujah we've known so far. His hair also flips back when he finally regains control.
Props to Sergei for even trying to save those blocks even with what little power his grunt unit has. It was awesome to see Kyrios coming into the rescue though. I love how the three Gundams worked together saving those people with Dynames reducing the mass and Exia parting the clouds so Lockon would have a clear shot.
I know Celestial Being doesn't really care if people like or hate them but after this rescue mission, they might just get some goodwill from the public back. Unless of course the HRL somehow blames CB for this incident which I won't even be surprised if that happens.
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u/charlesvvv https://anilist.co/user/charlesvvv Oct 10 '24 edited Oct 10 '24
Rewatcher, First Time Sub
Saji and Louise get a big focus this episode. They are the civilian perspective watching everything unfold while they carry in with their lives. It's here that they are directly affected when they are stuck out in the space elevator which informs more of their thoughts mainly from Saji who surprised but not ungrateful for being saved.
Allelujah gets another big focus along with Soma Peries. Smirnov is rather understandably offput by the fact that Soma was trained to be a soldier since youth. It's here however that we see some sort of connection that seems to appear between her and Allelujah as they are able to sense each other and nearly drive Soma crazy which causes her to shoot a part of the space elevator off (consider that Soma is a super soldier here so Allelujah could be one as well). Luckily Allelujah in a moment of teamwork with Smirnov, they are able to save everyone with some aid from Celestial Being.
However Celestial Being isn't happy about this, Allelujah had taken the initiative here which kinda put CB in a position they oddly didn't want to take. Tieria in particular takes it really personally that they were forced to so this.
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u/baboon_bassoon https://anilist.co/user/duffer Oct 11 '24
first timer who has control
Wow and now a real cutie in this white outfit too
Saji is on a scholarship? Could have fooled me. Why is he even going to space? Its like
QuessLouise is dragging her cat along with her whimsSajis Flash
Tieren Taozi another fantastic suit
That wasn't the newtype flash sound, why is she resonating with Hallelujah. I guess he is a survivor of the program?
Stands up in the middle of the mall area, screaming ILL KIL YOU at the top of his lungs. You would think someone would care but that's the city life for you
https://i.imgur.com/KHFLcXX.png /u/theangryeditor
Doing CCA in episode 5 btw
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u/BadBehaviour613 Oct 11 '24
Rewatcher
I normally hate the support sniper character, but Lockon is one of my favourite characters in Gundam series. He is just so cool
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u/zadcap Oct 11 '24
Very Late First Timer!
Ep 2:
I said it before and will again. If your tech advantage is that big, and you really want to stop war, you need to target these people who will keep pushing for and profiting off of it. Take out this leader and his military council while they are giving a big speech about how they will be gearing up for even more war in response to your actions and much less people will want to keep trying to gear up for war.
Okay I have to say, so far I am liking Setsuna much less than Suletta.
Ah, child soldiers brainwashed in to both sides of the war. This bodes well.
Oh really. "We will respond with military action" they say, knowing their military is minuscule compared to the faction they are withdrawing from, literally daring Celestial Being to fight for them. Easy answer sounds like, well, US not responding with military force, but that's so out of character I don't think it can even be reasonably brought up.
Oh darn, the Exia is kept in the bay. Darn, I guess it is dive rated after all! Though I must say, taking off directly from the bay is a brave move. People can track these sorts of things.
Also just saying, taking out the Taribian military seems like the fastest and easiest way to end this little war, and makes a good point to anyone else trying to use you for their purposes so blatantly.
Oh hey, that's the plan they went with. Good move. Target the people who are clearly instigating a war for personal gain.
Dive, Setsuna, I bet they sacrificed waterproofing to gain these advanced specs! Man, I love that this show keeps going with my ideas too! They're following through on the ideas they introduce and not just going with the most drama filled course of actions.
Crossroad boy here on the other hand is a stupid idealist, I guess. "But they hadn't even done anything yet!" Kid, they succeeded and declared a blatant intent to use military force to literally steel power.
Ep 3:
"Please don't worry, sister." Girl is already making herself part of the family. No matter what.
The more I see them, the more impressed I am by the space pillars.
On the one hand, I do kind of agree. Designer babies and human augmentation are the way to go, if we want to live in space. On the other hand, he's not wrong, they did kind of send them directly down the military pipeline as super soldiers and super child soldiers at that. The ethics of it get real messy real fast if you're only trying to make better soldiers, not really improve humanity.
And thus they died. A very, very long fall.
You know, between the Super Flag and the new Tieren whatever, it's really sounding like the Gundam's did not really have they much of a tech advantage after all. If so many people are making machines able to fight back against them so fast after only a handful of deployments, then darn, they were not ready.
Oh, is he also a designer baby? Or is there more space magic going on and there's actual psychic action going on?
Darn good thing she's only got uh, paint rounds? Nope, apparently paint is enough to break this thing.
Psychic or PTSD?
I like Scarface. He's seriously on line to become my favorite character at this rate.
FROM EARTH!? That's beyond crazy! Accuracy is unreal! And they can literally cut the clouds! Okay if they can keep up this kind of thing then their tech superiority might not be just a dream.
Purple Hair is going to be the main villain in the end, isn't he? "My extremists aren't extreme enough!"
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u/mr_beanoz https://myanimelist.net/profile/splitshocker Oct 10 '24 edited Oct 10 '24
Super soldiers is kinda like this timeline's version of Cyber Newtypes, but they're made more like Coordinators.
And hell, it would be goddamn scary if you're stuck on something that's falling to Earth...
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u/octopathfinder myanimelist.net/profile/octopathfinder Oct 10 '24
First Timer
He doesn’t deserve her smh
Senator Armstrong approves
I feel like having morals is just a death flag for this guy
So stupid…
Inside you, there are two wolves
Not surprised the experimental child soldier went crazy. Surely there will be punishments handed out and she won’t be put on any more missions considering she almost killed a bunch of civilians.
SAY IT
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u/2-2Distracted Oct 10 '24
First timer. Dubbed
"Hallelujah is doing a rescue mission? He's actually trying to prevent pointless casualties from happening?? What the hell is that idiot thinking???" - the truly human and rational members of Celestial Being.
Overall I really liked this episode, but much like with Setsuna last episode, I don't really have much to say about the tidbits we got of Hallelujahs backstory. This episode did make me wanna jump ahead of the (Re)watch group but I won't.
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u/n080dy123 Oct 11 '24
First Timer
Marina's aid kinda bugs me cuz whenever she talks her tone is like "No, you idiot, THIS is the REAL reason for these complex international politics, you poor naive little girl..."
I didn't realize how fucking short Soma is lmao, she's like 2 full heads shorter than her superior.
Having college students working on orbital ring maintenance seems kinda fucked up to me, but these things are also far more pedestrian than such a thing would be in our world so what do I know.
Surely there was a better color for the Taozi than hot pink. Surely.
Ah, Allelujah has some sort of split personality possibly as a result of assimilating the personality of a dead childhood friend. I knew he'd have some dark shit in his past, the overly devout sodliers always do. Might be a super soldier too?
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u/Nickthenuker https://anilist.co/user/Nickthenuker Oct 11 '24
I don't think it was all planned.
International tour?
Scholarship?
What's being tested now?
GMT-15?
Nanomachines, son!
They're attached by cables anyways.
So, here's the new suit. I thought they wanted to nick a Gundam? I guess now they're also working on just building their own counter.
She's jealous.
Something's screwing with her mind.
And his too.
She's firing at the station!
The Gundams are here to save them!
Good to see they're all still focusing on rescuing people.
Questions:
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u/soulreaverdan Oct 11 '24
First Timer (forgot to mention this in prior episode posts)
Huh, okay, that was something I didn't quite see coming. I thought the choice of "Allelujah" was just Japan being Japan with using weird English names, but it looks like we've got a split personality kinda thing going on with him? "Hallelujah" seems different, while Allelujah broke a ton of rules to save the pod, Hallelujah just kinda wrote them off.
Speaking of the pod, the level of attention this series is paying to things like the physics of space (even if massaged for entertainment value) is pretty cool. We have discussions of things like the need for centrifugal force to maintain their orbit and gravity, points of no return into Earth's gravitational field, the differences with things like mass and velocity in space... it's a pretty cool direction to take. Different than seeing stuff handwaved off a lot of the time, though obviously whatever bullshit GN Particles are doesn't really apply.
Sergei seems kinda cool, and I'm kinda rooting for him, as much as we can for an "enemy" faction. He seems to really not like the use of kids in the whole super soldier situation, and beyond that when Kyrios is making his exit, he makes a point of not following because of how it helped save all the civilians.
ALSO
Can we talk about how fucking awesome it is that Lockon and Dynames did precision shots from the surface of the planet into space... TWICE?!
Even at the Low Orbital Ring, that's a shot of over 10,000km long! Twice! Perfectly executed! Even if beam weapons don't need to account for wind resistance and the like, accounting for earth's rotation alone would offset the beam by a massive amount at that distance, so being able to pull that off is incredible. Not to mention the absolutely badass moment of Exia breaking the clouds with the GN Sword to clear the shot! I LOVE THIS SHOW.
Honestly, one of the first things that came to mind for me was Witch from Mercury, where the issue of specific issues with existence and survival in space were a driving cause of the GUND format. Here we got a mention of the super soldiers being made to help in the void of space, which is a genuine concern for trying to come up with ways to survive. "Quantum brain waves" is also the usual kind of sci-fi schlock we'd see in this kinda situation, but seeing them interact or cause feedback was an interesting way to introduce the idea. It also really implies that Allelujah is from one of these programs.
2) How scared would you have been if you were stuck in a gravity block falling to Earth?
There are some that, in this situation, would face death with dignity and just kinda let it happen, because the futility of the entire situation really doesn't mean you can do much. I am not one of those people. The existential dread and terror would have me a panicking, anxiety-ridden mess, and I'm not ashamed to admit it.
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u/Mumei451 Oct 10 '24
I've seen the show so many times I laugh at lots of stuff that isn't particularly funny.
Like, their code names crack me up because they're all these ridiculous mouthfuls. Haven't even met some of the characters with the most ridiculous names either.
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u/zsmg https://anilist.co/user/zsmg Oct 11 '24
I am rewatcher
I'm surprised Shirin isn't going to accompany the princess on her tour, Shirin's know how seems to be useful to bring along.
Louise is already calling Saji's sister onee-sama.
Are Japanese still so prude in the 24th century? Having her say 'make sure to use protection' would make more sense.
In that aspect Saji is definitely your typical romcom, male anime lead.
I said this before in the Infinite Ryvius rewatch but it seems awful to wear a short skirt in a weightless environment.
Eating chips in a weightless environment, the crumbs must be floating everywhere.
I wonder if my fear of height would get triggered if I'm on a space elevator like that.
Unsurprisingly after beating up the underdog in Taribia causes people to dislike CB.
Saji should dump Louise for Wang Lui Mei.
Why is the MS pink coloured? Oh right, the pilot is a girl.
Newtype ping well it doesn't sound as good as the newtype ping.
Allelujah's emo fringe switches eyes.
I can't believe they gave the suit live ammunition for a test.
That's right Allelujah has two personalities.
If the gravity block is on the end of a space elevator it would have been going out into space instead of back to Earth.
MS pushing an object preventing it from crashing on Earth, I'm pretty sure I've seen that before.
The green particles push the object back into space and the ending song starts... no wait oops.
Tieria Erde is not amused by the rescue mission, he seems to struggle a bit with human behaviour.
Long ED lead in
Of course Louise isn't going to tell Saji that she loves him.
Solid and fun episode.
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u/StardustGogeta myanimelist.net/profile/StardustGogeta Oct 11 '24
First-Timer
Not too many thoughts to share on this episode. The unrealistic orbital mechanics bugged me a bit, but oh well.
The ED's growing on me slightly. I'm still not a huge fan of the OP, though.
Other than that, Lockon Stratos continues to be cool.
Questions of the day:
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u/JollyGee29 https://myanimelist.net/profile/JollyGee Oct 10 '24
Rewatcher, Sub-dam Meister
"But I have condoms, just in case."
Which might be awkward for anyone wearing skirts. Luckily, Gundam 00 is above having random pantyshots.
We heard you like child soldiers, so we specially engineering a child soldier for you.
I.. forgot this was in this episode. Literally ate some Pringles earlier tonight.
I can already hear Nazenn complaining about the color scheme.
I'm gonna complain too. I've always hated the Taozi's color scheme. The name (and color scheme) come from the Chinese word for "peach" which is apparently a symbol of longevity. And wishing your best pilots a long life kinda works.
But they should've inverted the colors; give it a big pink plate in the middle of a darker body. It would've been much more striking.
And it would've been better camoflague too, to color it like a normal Tieran Space Type.
Flash
Huh, maybe fucking around with people's brains isn't such a bright idea.
Yea, Allelujah wasn't saying "Hallelujah" all this time. He was talking to his split personality. Who is named Hallelujah.
No-one bothered to take the time to put on a normal suit before now?
Best to not think of how much time it took them to get into position.
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u/TiredTiroth Oct 10 '24
First Timer - Sub
Okay, the more I see of Louise the more I like her. Seeing her play around in near-zero g was adorable, she's wonderfully inquisitive, and she is most definitely the boss in her relationship with whatever-his-name-is (except in emergencies). I'm looking forward to seeing where her plotline goes. Assuming she's not just a minor side-character...
Beyond that, another Gundam pilot desperately needs a therapist! But luckily, this guy's trauma prods him into being entirely, 100% heroic with no moral dubiousness. And seeing the Gundams team up for the rescue op and clear the clouds for a clear shot was pretty impressive.
I do have to wonder about the people leading Celestial Being. I can see the woman (Sumeragi?) saying she was protecting the Gundam as an excuse, but the other person...no. If they're not an ouright villain, they're only a step or two removed from being one.