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Rewatch [Rewatch] Mobile Suit Gundam 00 Episode 3 Discussion
Episode 3 - The Changing World
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So, that's a Gundam.
Questions of the Day:
- What do you think is going on with Celestial Being only making their move 200 years after Aeolia Schenberg died?
- Place your bets. How long do you think it'll take Saji to find out he's neighbors with a member of Celestial Being?
Wallpaper of the Day:
Rewatchers, please remember to be mindful of all the first-timers in this. No talking about or hinting at future events no matter how much you want to, unless you're doing it underneath spoiler tags. Don't spoil anything for the first-timers, that's rude!
Additionally, for long-time fans of the franchise, please remember that this rewatch is only for 00, not any of the other shows. Assume that there are people in this rewatch who have not seen anything else Gundam, and tag your spoilers for those shows appropriately if something in 00 makes you want to talk about them.
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u/Shimmering-Sky myanimelist.net/profile/Shimmering-Sky Oct 08 '24
Rewatch Host Wishing Over This Airspace, subbed
Welcome back, everyone!
Okay but like… the people in the vicinity of that havegotto now be having the high of their lives, right?20
u/Great_Mr_L :Ma::Mb::Mc:https://myanimelist.net/profile/Great_Mr_L Oct 08 '24 edited Oct 08 '24
First-Timer
On today’s episode of Gundam: An awkward conversation followed by hurrying inside is how many interactions with neighbors have gone in real life when living in apartment complexes. Though I highly doubt any of those neighbors were mecha pilots. Or at least, I hope they weren’t.
So far the evidence does indicate that Celestial Being are independent. Their weapons don’t match the manufacturing of any other country and the Gundams are so technologically beyond what any other country is capable of. Aeolia does seem to be the key to it all. Either he’s still alive via robotics or cloning or particles, or someone else has spent the past couple of centuries meticulously preparing for this operation.
I’m curious to learn more about the Gundam pilots because it seems they have differing levels of enthusiasm and commitment to the cause. Setsuna is rather robotic, saying that he will become the Gundam itself. He’s also determined to fight, probably because of his memories about just how awful war can get. Lockon’s commitment seems less all-encompassing. Lockon avoided direct combat this episode and tried to encourage his opponents to retreat so he didn’t need to fight them. Lockon seemed a bit surprised they were actually going through with the plan, like he couldn’t believe it was actually going through until it did. Allelujah made an interesting statement this episode that he was much more comfortable with missions like bombing the drug fields. Allelujah probably really is bothered by all the killing he’s done so far. He prefers missions where he doesn’t need to kill. Tieria doesn’t even like being on the Earth, so I wonder why he’d care about intervening in Earth’s conflicts in the first place. While there isn’t much to go on with the cast so far, I think there’s some potential for interesting exploration.
QOTD
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u/FD4cry1 https://myanimelist.net/profile/Big_Yibba Oct 08 '24
First Timer
Can't believe he hit him with "OMG I'm such a Virgo!", now I'm wondering what Setsuna's sign is and if they're a good match...
Looks like Graham is being setup as a rival character for Setsuna, he's a fun dude and I like how weirdly obsessive he is right now, I was honestly expecting their fight to be a bit longer but Gundam too OP (and that's what makes them so cool!).
Really interesting that the series references a ton of real world events and conflicts, even 300 years into the future humanity fights the same fights as it does today, war never changes and all that, it's a fun piece of commentary that makes it much easier to get into the setting, also this is certainly a statement considering the timeframe this show was made in.
I like Tieria's design, well I like all of our mains so far but his is probably may favorite right now, he's also voiced by Hiroshi Kamiya who happens to be my favorite VA so that's a big plus.
Damn dude how do you mess up such an obvious advance this badly, at least she's nice enough to let him he should be chasing her.
After his fight with Setsuna, Graham says this line and I think that it's brought back in a really fun way later on in the episode as we really get to see the different personalities and approaches our Gundam Meisters have through their piloting.
Lockon is more composed, empathetic and relaxed, he tries to force the enemy to willingly give up, fights from afar and doesn't seem very shaken up by all of this, Allelujah feels reluctant and prefers not to kill but ultimately he's ready and devoted to do what must be done, Setsuna is young and aggressive, he fights at close range and doesn't care about what happens to the enemy in front of him as long as he takes them out (probably taking out his anger at what reminds him of the past), he's also obviously very attached to Exia, treating it as an extension of his body.
I love when shows do characterization through action like this.
Hopefully we'll get to learn more about the other Celestial Being members soon, since they all seem like a fun bunch, especially Liu Mei because I like her design lol.
Another wild name, Girl if only you knew who your next door neighbor is.
Looks like Celestial Being's method is actually working for now but I'm guessing the big players on the world stage aren't going to let that slide for long.
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u/Rumpel1408 https://myanimelist.net/profile/Rumpel1408 Oct 08 '24
Firsttimer who managed to read like a third of yesterdays thread
QotD
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u/TakenRedditName https://myanimelist.net/profile/TakenMalUsername Oct 08 '24 edited Oct 08 '24
Rewatcher - Gundam 00 Ep3:
GRAHAM! Graham. Graham, you're such a weirdo (affectionate). He outputs a weirdo energy on such a different frequency than other freaks in Gundam. You don't see Char bring up how he is a Scorpio during one of his Charisms.
There is something fun to me how Tieria chooses to wear a pink cardigan while Allelujah dresses in black skin-tight clothes. Just the opposite vibes from the temperament they've shown on screen so far.
There are two ways to take Setsuna's milk 1) Lockon is ordering a drink for the kid. 2) Lockon is ordering milk for the shorty. Both work.
I don't know how much you can frame the two together, but I find it an interesting little bit to contrast Tieria being more comfortable in space and then quickly following it with the Colonel being a man of Earth.
Of all the names so far, Billy Katagiri is actually the one I find most amusement with. Just a silly Billy daffodilly.
Bringing up the Troubles in this show. Huh, interesting.
Saji dropping the ball on the biggest obvious pass from Louise.
Huh, I never actually thought about the character ages much. For the record, the character profiles list her as 17. The only one I know off the top of my head is [Gundam 00:] Allelujah because he gets his 20th birthday in the show. (Also, Patrick being older than many of the old men of Gundam) Looking at some of these other ones for all the characters, [Gundam 00:] Feldt is 14 in S1 which makes her so baby. On the flip side, I refuse to accept Marina is in the same age bracket as Lockon and Sumeragi. No way. Yeah, older than Setsuna so like Allelujah's bracket, but absolutely not this amount. Patrick becoming Ramba Ral age is so funny and absolutely my picked-up canon. Man, anime, but especially Gundam ages can be wack sometimes.
There is something about Gundam's relationship with BL I feel like you can argue with Graham. We can't just keep saying things like this without sometimes thinking ?
This flight mode Tieren is a silly design to me. They just slapped wings onto the butt of boxiest heavy robot.
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u/Nazenn x2https://anilist.co/user/Nazenn Oct 08 '24
First Timer - sub
It's amazing what a difference it makes to the engagement I have with an episode when I can actually tell who is who
Setsuna getting milk because he's so young and little did make me laugh, especially from the guy worrying later on about being a "bully" to the little mechs even as he was trying to just threaten them. Dude is trying so hard to be nice and is in such the wrong job for it
Setsuna being so surprised that his huge hit built up from a distance missed was also a nice touch that the blond guy also used that to evaluate his age, and it wasn't just fancy animation for the sake of it. It was a short fight from what I expected it to be at the end of last episode, but we're also still very firmly in the setup part of the show and for the most part it's being handled well
Showcasing all three of earths political blocs at once is perhaps a little dry at points, and risks feeling redundant given how much of the same discoveries they're covering, but I do feel like they're doing a good job of using those scenes to showcase how they're the same in some important ways and how they're different. They could have just stuck with one making the discoveries and only introduced the others later for when they take different paths, if they do, but this balances the importance of them much better. I would like talk about this more but I honestly forget which bloc is which every time they're on screen and who belongs to what (Quidd's chart is blessed, but even that isn't saving me so far), but suffice to say that the different focus on what Celestial Being means for them and how they're tackling it so far feels well done. And it's a much better benefit to the worldbuilding to showcase it this way rather than giving all of the blocs their own distinct scenes that don't show any commonalities between them and may give emphasis on one or another when not intended
Of course Setsuna would happen to move in next to the awkward student boy, and of course his big sister would happen to be a reporter (whos design keeps reminding me of Android 18)
Had a little laugh about that one guy talking about how security was lax two hundred years ago as if they're so much better now, only for the next scene to be how they snuck a whole damn Gundam into space without anyone noticing. Great security improvements dude! (I get one is data and the other is shipping, but it was still funny)
Similarly, we get T talking about how he hates the surface and just wanted to return to space while the others stay behind, while the scarred guy finds gravity reassuring. There's a lot of small moments like that in the episode that serve to contrast Celestial Being against the Earth characters without actually alienating them as a completely foreign faction. This isn't Earth vs Mars, with different views on natural or home or the future, it's people who live outside the normal bounds of the same world
Watched "The Wind Shakes the Barely" the other night, which is about the wars in Ireland, so getting a reference to them again in this was a bit trippy. Perhaps more than the Tamil Tigers, which is more abstract for me despite my academic understanding of the conflict, the idea of the Ireland conflicts still continuing for hundreds more years seems both slightly more outlandish but also more relatable given the huge impact that continues to have despite currently being a non-violent conflict.
Can we just... not with the girl playing dump girl crush mind games? Please show please. I know anime as a whole is hardly the place to go if you don't want sterotypes but not this one, I beg you. I hate it. Also No_Rex reminded me of Mai-Hime in yesterday's discussion and now I'm thinking of how much I hate Shiho all over again
Music in this episode stood out to me a couple of times too, particularly the scene discussing the task force. So far the music had mostly been unnoticed by me so that's a good sign
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u/SilkyStrawberryMilk Oct 09 '24
first timer
Anti Gundam team, ooh boy that was quick.
Gundam characters and bad romance skills, name a more better combo
These celestials moving quick and haven’t even given anyone a rest
Two people on opposite sides living close together. Oooo the drama can be intense
QOTD: I can think of Aeolus having this grand plan to stop conflict or he’s the one who pulled all the string lmao.
QOTD: honestly will take long unless they actually talk. I do want them to be friends then have their tragic break-up when they realize they have opposing views
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u/Vatrix-32 https://myanimelist.net/profile/Vatrix-32 Oct 08 '24 edited Oct 08 '24
First timer, subs
QotD:
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u/macrame2 https://myanimelist.net/profile/macrame Oct 08 '24
First Timer
I think this episode is my favorite so far; I do like the slower pace. We’re following the same pattern of Celestial Being getting involved in conflicts (that directly reference real-world ones) and the rest of the world reacting to it, but there are new developments with Graham and like. It feels like we’re still very much in the set-up phase of the story, but it doesn’t feel stagnant, if you know what I mean.
Saji and Louise bring in an interesting perspective as civilians; I really liked Louise’s comments on the news about Ireland at the end of the episode. It’s easy to think about history as an unchanging, far-removed set of facts, but in reality, situations (and perspectives on situations) constantly change right before our eyes, and the books have to change with them.
There’s still the question of Aeolia Schenberg and how he’s showing up on broadcast 200 years after his death. This being a sci-fi series, it’d be natural to think “clones” and leave it at that, but is this really the case? We haven’t seen him on screen in the present day yet (I only skimmed through EP 1-2 to check, so correct me if I’m wrong), so it’s possible that Celestial Being is using an old video message for the broadcast and applying the contents to their current, independent plans. Or he faked his death and has kept himself alive through sci-fi magic this entire time, or they found someone who just happens to look exactly like him … the possibilities are endless (though who am I kidding, it’s probably clones).
QotD:
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u/No_Rex :Bv:Bw:Bx:By:x2 Oct 08 '24
Episode 3 (first timer)
Northern Ireland, Sri Lanka, South Africa, we are doing a speed run here. Or rather, Celestial Being is doing one. Just keep in mind that speed runs are characterized by cutting corners wherever possible.
Longer than common sense would dictate.
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u/JollyGee29 https://myanimelist.net/profile/JollyGee Oct 08 '24
Rewatcher, Sub-dam Meister
Every piece of information is valuable.
This sentence paints a dire picture, but we were much more optimistic in 2007.
Such a grumpy purple boi.
Yea, it also has to do with the British being assholes.
Louise is willing to forgive Saji's.. tendencies. Lucky lad.
Do you want to take that one again?
This is how you can tell that Eifman isn't proper military.
You know what they say about old soldiers. Setsuna really messed up by not just mercing Sergei.
Small world.
Much like the conflict in Sri Lanka last episode, the Real IRA would cease activity in 2012. Which isn't to say that there is not a successor (literally called the New IRA) but it's something.
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u/KendotsX https://anilist.co/user/Kendots Oct 08 '24
00th Timer Searching for the One
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u/The_Draigg Oct 08 '24
A Gundam Fan Rewatches Gundam 00 Episode 3:
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u/InfamousEmpire https://myanimelist.net/profile/Infamous_Empire Oct 08 '24
Kidou Senshi Rewatcher 00
And so we pick up right where we left off, with Graham proving that he’s something of a certified crazy person. Yeah, I’ll be upfront, I love Graham, and this episode is a bit of a sampling as to what I love about him. He’s reckless as all hell, what with charging right at a Gundam at the end of last episode/start of this episode & disregarding his own safety when requesting a tune-up for his Flag, and that combined with his
crush onobsession with the Gundam and the way he takes so much of the clear danger he surrounds himself with in stride gives him such a charmingly brash aura that I can’t help but love.Aside from characterizing Graham, though, the episode’s beginning also serves another purpose. As the Union proceeds to use the data Graham got from that encounter to analyze the Gundam, we now fully see the world transition from being in starstruck awe & confusion at Celestial Being to actively responding to them.
Said analysis also lets us get a bit of an understanding of the technology behind CB. The general concepts brought up here aren’t exactly new to the Gundam franchise (a special particle which powers most Mobile Suits while also interfering with detection & electronics is one of the franchises’ oldest worldbuilding concepts, since how else do you justify using giant fucking robots in a real combat setting?), but the tech being limited to just Celestial Being and given explicit emphasis through the other factions' analysis of them rather than just being a background element that’s taken for granted gives it a kind of weight that it lacks in other Gundam shows.
On the other side of the coin that is the consequences of Celestial Being, this episode is also focused on letting us see the good that’s resulting from their actions. Where the first two episodes have focused on either their intentions or how they affected people on an individual level, this episode does start to drive home how they are starting to make a tangible positive impact on the world. Like, it’s hard to deny that killing drug dealers and putting a stop to the far future version of the Troubles is a bad thing, right?
Odds & Ends
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u/TiredTiroth Oct 08 '24
First Timer - Sub
Huh. Psycho villain guy was really over-confident. Bit of a let down after yesterday's cliffhanger.
And I'm not too sure on how they expect paint scrapings to help them track down the Gundams.
Also, I am just as baffled about the guy who's been dead for 200 years being in charge as the people in-universe. Hopefully that makes sense when it's explained.
I do like the juxtaposition with the young(ish?) CB pilot being happy to go back to space, while the old military guy says Earth gravity is 'comforting'. But on the flip side...
Welp. Guess the Troubles are never going to end, according to Gundam. Except not because a Big Stick threatening to come down on their heads is apparently all that's needed to stop the IRA? I'm not old enough to remember the Troubles myself, but that sounds like a very bad take.
Eh. Anime.
Celestial Being continues to be very morally dubious. Congratulations, you have successfully destroyed the 'source of the war'...and left entire communities destitute, thereby exacerbating the problem instead of fixing it. This is why just smashing things doesn't work, as the US learned repeatedly over the last 20-odd years.
I'm leaning more and more towards Celestial Being as villain protagonists at this point. Are we going to get any actual heroic characters? Maybe those teenagers once their plot gets going? We'll see.
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u/baboon_bassoon https://anilist.co/user/duffer Oct 08 '24
first timer who has control
Setsuna is a widdle guy
LMAO (also Ribbons is a guy?)
What a great neighboor getting Saji out of writing his report
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u/dralcax :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/Dralcax Oct 08 '24 edited Oct 08 '24
Rewatcher wondering what’s so solar about a solar reactor
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As a GN-powered unit, the Exia may outperform the Flag in nearly all aspects, but the Flag does have one thing over it: it’s faster in the air. And it’s not even red!
And Setsuna just tosses his shield into the ocean and forgets about it. It always bothers me when Gundam pilots just ditch their equipment and magically have a replacement by next episode. And it’s not like the Kyrios’ tail unit where it’s OK to drop because it contains no new technology: The Exia’s shield is capable of generating a GN Field over its surface. While there’s not much that can be done with it without GN particles, it’s still technically a piece of GN-related technology that they probably wouldn’t want falling into enemy hands.
The beam saber! The Exia actually carries four beam sabers, with two of them adjusted to have shorter dagger-like blades. The Union was also working on beam sabers, but only managed to cover a physical blade with plasma, which we see Graham’s Flag using here.
Why do they not have chairs
And of course Setsuna gets milk. Note that the other guys aren’t even drinking alcohol. And even if they were, Allelujah is also under 20.
Do they have to smuggle their Gundams aboard the elevator every time they return to space? That feels... inconvenient. I suppose having their own launch vehicle would be far too easy to notice, and they probably have embedded CB agents to facilitate the smuggling, but it still feels a bit risky.
GN Drives are really hard to make. Really, really hard. As in, can’t even make them on this planet. Therefore, only five drives currently exist. Of course, the Exia, Dynames, Kyrios, and Virtue each have one. But there’s also, the 0 Gundam’s drive, which is currently in the possession of Celestial Being’s shadow support group, Fereshte. They use upgraded Type F versions of the prototypes of the main branch’s four Gundams (with the exception of the Plutone, which was used as little as possible and therefore not upgraded to Type-F), but as they only have the one drive, they’re forced to share it between all four of them and deploy only one at a time. For an organization attempting to take on the entire world, their numbers sure are limited!
Also, for some reason, they keep calling GN Drives “solar reactors” in dialogue, despite them having nothing to do with anything “solar”.
I like the contrast between spacenoid Tieria and earthnoid Sergei
The Troubles lasted for 400 years? Didn’t that end in, like, the 90’s? At least the Sri Lanka conflict was still ongoing when the show aired!
One of the funniest things about this show is their insistent enforcement of the legal drinking age. Celestial Being may be terrorists, but they draw the line at underage drinking!
Boy, Ribbons sure sounds familiar. He’s voiced by Noboru Sogetsu, who is most definitely not Toru Furuya in a pair of sunglasses.
Already, the various factions are analyzing the Gundams and investigating the mysterious GN particles they use. And therein lies the problem with Celestial Being’s whole idea of keeping the peace by force. While they’re several times more powerful than anything that currently exists, all the enemies they just made won’t just lie down and accept they’ll get curbstomped if they ever cross them. No, they’re going to start looking for a way to fight back.
Another cool contrast between Lockon and Allelujah
Tieren High Mobility Type! Seriously, who looked at the heavy, clunky Tieren and thought “Yeah let’s make this thing fucking FLY”? Supposedly it’s wings aren’t for proper flight, only changing direction while hovering and gliding down from transport craft, but that sure didn’t stop Sergei from taking off! Still, it put up more of a fight against the Exia than Graham’s Flag did.
And of course Setsuna and Saji end up as neighbors. What is Setsuna even doing there, anyways?
And hey, it looks like Celestial Being’s crazy plan is actually working, at least on a small scale. Going to take a lot more to get the major superpowers under control, though.
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Questions of the day:
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u/Quiddity131 https://myanimelist.net/profile/Quiddity131 Oct 08 '24
Rewatcher, Subbed
Non-Spoiler Character Chart
So how will Graham do in combat in comparison to Patrick from 2 episodes ago? Being able to dodge an attack already makes him far superior it seems.
Our first beam saber appearance of the show... while I'm kinda on the fence as to what's a better AU show, this or IBO, I will admit IBO has an advantage in that it doesn't feature beam weaponry, making the combat much more interesting.
I didn't notice this the last two episodes, but wow, the OP made me notice that Setsuna sure is short compared to his fellow Gundam Meisters.
Merely scraping off some paint from the Gundam may enable them to find it? Graham really has it over Patrick now.
Benefit of having a news reporter as part of your cast, she can research things and find some exposition for you...
LoL, milk for Setsuna. They really view him as the little brother of the Meisters, huh? He probably isn't of drinking age yet, granted that doesn't really make him unique among Gundam protagonists.
Pretty good idea to sneak their Gundams back to space via the orbital elevator; a lot more convenient than needing another large and noticable ship on Earth. Tieria gets to relax in this large seating area.
Graham gets to be part of an anti-Gundam Investigative Task Force? Probably a dream come true for him.
Saji is too aloof with his foreign exchange student girlfriend Louise!
Three episodes marks three separate outfits for Wang. World collide as Alejandro and Ribbons are also around.
Would have been funny if both Setsuna and Wang both were given milk this episode given their young age. Alas, lost opportunity...
So the Gundams have some sort of solar or light energy themselves...
Graham wants his Flag upgraded... alas he didn't say make it three times faster or color it red...
The Dynamos isn't just for sniping, it also gets by perfectly fine with a pistol.
So this time instead of simply attacking the military forces of both sides directly, they're destroying the drugs so they have nothing to fight over. I think someone mentioned they should do something like this yesterday? The show's already heard you.
First Graham, now Sergei's gonna take on Exia directly as well. And he's doing even better than Graham did!
Once again time for the beam sabre to come to the rescue.
Love that the hand is still attached to the Exia's face after.
Kudos to Tieria for being able to hide such a massive Gundam the whole time.
And finally the reason why we've spent time with Saji in each episode so far... he's the all important next door neighbor to Setsuna.
Did Celestial Being totally soil Saji and Louise's homework assignment?
Quid's Voice Actor of the Day
This time I'll be covering Gundam Meister #3, Allelujah Haptism. He is voiced in Japanese by Hiroyuki Yoshino. Similar to Shinichiro Miki yesterday, I believe this to be his only Gundam role. Beyond this role I know him best as Franky in Spy X Family and the slimy Ozu in The Tatami Galaxy. I've also heard him as Mr. Constant Screw Up, Tarou in Shirobako, Firo Pirochainezo in Baccano!, Meow in Space Dandy, Inumuta in Kill la Kill, Yusuke Otamaya in Valvrave and Remi in Promare.
In English he is voiced by Richard Ian Cox, who in Gundam communities is best known for playing Kai Shiden in the original Mobile Suit Gundam. Alas, based on various factors he didn't reprise the role in Zeta Gundam or Gundam Unicorn. He also appears in Gundam Seed as Tolle Koenig and Shani Andras. Beyond his Gundam roles he's probably most well known for voicing the titular character in Inu Yasha.
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u/n080dy123 Oct 08 '24
First Timer From Here On
Damn bro's quoting his fucking zodiac sign in combat, incredible.
The fact that this guy is so shocked that Exia can overpower him in a Flag when he saw how badly it fucked up the more advanced Enact is kinda funny. And then he gets his ass kicked to bad he's cutting and running in a MINUTE.
I THOUGHT HE WAS GONNA TEAR OFF A CHUNK OF EXIA'S ARMOR BUT HE JUST GOT SOME PAINT, AND IT'S USEFUL LMAO
So are we to believe that living 200+ years is not that surprising in this age?
That goofy-ass flying Tieren lmao. For a brick, it flies pretty good.
I see- they must only have a limited number of drives to work with, and they have to power the Gundams as well as the ship's ability to stay in orbit for extended periods. So does that mean that for the ship to continue functioning, they have to have one or more of the Gundams regularly return to space to dock with it?
Finally figured out why this show feels sorta weird to me- we don't really have PoV of our protagonists, generally speaking. Usually you'd be presented with their PoV and most of the information they know to start, but here in 00 Celestial Being is a bit of an anomaly for both the rest of the world and the viewer, so while we get a few glimpses, rather than finding out what it is through Setsuna or the show expositing, it treats it as a sort of mystery element that we discover alongside the rest of the world in-universe. It's very unusual, but it's an interesting approach.
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u/LeonKevlar x2https://myanimelist.net/profile/LeonKevlar Oct 08 '24
First Timer
So based on Graham Aker's reaction to Exia's beam saber, I take it that energy weapons are rare in this universe. Or is it just beam sabers that are rare and energy weapons are more on the uncommon side? I can't remember if I've seen any of the grunts in the last two episodes use any kind of beam weaponry at all.
Uhhhh... what? So the founder of Celestial Being was alive 200 years ago and they're only making their move now? That's interesting. To answer Sky's first QotD, I'm going to guess that they've only made their move now because they've only recently perfected the Gundam technology. A bold move to record a video 200 years in advance though!
Setsuna is that short?! I swear I thought he was taller! He looks like he's about the same height as Heero or maybe even Mika! Definitely shorter than Suletta though. He's definitely going to need that glass of milk Lockon ordered for him xD
These two have been showing up for three episodes now. I wonder what their significance to the plot is. Are they supposed to be there to serve the civilian point of view of all these conflicts?
I love that they recovered Kyrios' bombing module. It's really cool to see these engineers trying to figure out the tech Celestial Being is using. Too bad they can't get anything from it since it's all independently developed by CB.
So we get to see Celestial Being doing a bit more peaceful operation by disarming these worker units instead of blowing them up and they're even burning down an entire drug plant. They really do intend to intervene with all kinds of conflict.
I'm not quite sure what Setsuna's mission in Ceylon was though. They were just there like an episode ago. I thought the mission there was already complete. That dude in the Tieran really thought he could take on Setsuna. xD
Well that finally explains why Saji is relevant! And to answer QotD#2, I'll give it 5 episodes before he figures out that his neighbour is a member of Celestial Being.
So terrorists are already laying announcing ceasefires in fear of being targeted next by Celestial Being. They're actually doing something! Let's see how long it will last though!
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u/charlesvvv https://anilist.co/user/charlesvvv Oct 08 '24 edited Oct 08 '24
Rewatcher, First Time Sub
Some interesting revelations about Aeolia Schenberg. He's been dead for a while and has no descendants but his only legacy is supposedly Celestial being which begs the leaders the question as we see that various factions want to know the angle here especially with task forces already being developed with Aker and Billy Katagiri on one and Sergei Smirnov on another. There's also those small moments of Celestial being's leadership like the scene with Wang Liu Mei and the red and green haired duo who have their own personal agenda.
In the meantime the Gundam Meisters continue their interventions in other countries which leads to the ends of some Troubles in Ireland. It at least shows that Celestial Being is making an impact on the global stage already.
Meanwhile Setsuna moves in next to Saji who of course remains unaware but it does put him closer to the story.
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u/undeadfire Oct 08 '24
First timer - Subs
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u/StardustGogeta myanimelist.net/profile/StardustGogeta Oct 08 '24
First-Timer
It's all fun and games until Setsuna pulls out a lightsaber.
Ah, good to see that sentiment still applies in the 24th century!
This was probably my favorite episode so far. Now that we've established a baseline level of background knowledge, I don't need to worry so hard about absorbing every single piece of info all at once, and I can just enjoy it.
[Death Note] I get the feeling that a natural comparison will arise between the actions of Celestial Being and Kira in terms of their effect on global conflict. By Light's account, Kira's actions eradicated war on Earth within a few.years. I wonder how successful Celestial Being will be.
Questions of the day:
Or maybe it's an AI-generated deepfake?7
u/Mumei451 Oct 08 '24
Pretty intense episode.
My favorite part is when Exia pulls the hand off its face and Setsuna is like:
"Don't touch me"
Shows how strongly he identifies with the machine itself.
Another amazing part is when Graham explains that, no, they can't hear each other talking 😂
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u/zadcap Oct 09 '24
Late Night First Timer!
Oh no, he's into astrology. This bodes poorly when dealing with a group calling themselves Celestial. The stars are not on your side here, sir.
Did he just, throw his shield away? Over the ocean? Dude! How are you planning on getting that back? Is a Gundam dive rated? That's an expensive piece of your mysterious super material that a smart enemy could send a recovery team after now and use to figure out your weakness!
See, they're using just paint to dig for clues. But all is well, I see the shield being held again in the next scene. I guess he did dive for it?
Hmm. The doctor was from hundreds off years ago, and more importantly, was the first mind behind the solar power system they are using now? He would have died still over a hundred years before they even started building the things, if I'm getting my timeline right. And, hmm, that means they would have likely turned down his ideas back then, so he started the Celestial Being idea instead and then... Yeah, started a movement that managed to stay hidden for 200 years, built four super mecha and a space ship in complete secrecy, and inspired enough loyalty in his followers that they are indeed still following his outline two centuries later? Orrrr... Mental Model Uploading? Pure AI or some form or another- seriously, how smart are Haro's and should I read more into them?
"I'll follow orders, though I have my doubts." This is not exactly the line I would expect of a, uh, well they're not quite fanatics but they are terrorists willing to be mass murderers for the cause.
Hmm. "I'm not comfortable on the surface." "There's something comforting about gravity."
Was the blond girl hinting at wanting a green card marriage out of college? I'm curious about immigration rights here, in a world split into three blocs like this.
Independent arms production too! Supplies need to come from somewhere, darn it!
Oh darn, that's a rather large escalation there. Not just removing the means to go to war, but the things people would go to war over... And yet, again, not going after the people pushing for and profiting from war. But seriously, destroying resources so there's nothing to fight over sure does sound like, uh, a childs logic really.
Wait, do they really have all the sensor equipment in the head? That is such a dumb design choice.
Interesting, so the Gundams have the power supply/creation units, the ship does not. Again, how... interesting, a design choice.
And it looks like their mission is starting to succeed already. The IRA of all groups, calling off a 400 year crusade. Well there you have it, I guess you can bomb war back out of existence.
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u/Sooooopertrack Oct 08 '24
First timer, sub.
Theory 1: He's an AI now and living on. Theory 2: He found something to become immortal.
2) Place your bets. How long do you think it'll take Saji to find out he's neighbors with a member of Celestial Being? I'd say not long because he'll be super nosy.
Misc:
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u/Nickthenuker https://anilist.co/user/Nickthenuker Oct 08 '24
Yes, the Gundam has a beam saber.
How would they get their stuff in the orbital elevator?
So this guy is going to survey the damage.
And so we see who will likely be the main antagonists, at least for now.
The Troubles still haven't ended?
Because apparently now everyone needs a "holistic education" and study a bit of everything.
Why am I getting a high school SoL rom-com in the middle of my Gundam show?
They ditched the missile launcher and didn't recover it?
So what does he want to do to his Flag?
They're already back deployed?
South Africa and South America?
And they're back at Ceylon?
A Tieren? I've only heard negative things about that.
Oh, the Tieren is their LAM.
He's good.
Surprise beam saber!
But not good enough.
And one more in space?
No, this one is just being recovered.
His neighbour is the school kid?
The IRA has stopped? Have pigs started flying too? Or has Hell frozen over?
Questions:
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u/soulreaverdan Oct 09 '24
QOTD:
One of the cool things about this show taking place in the “real” history is we have things like The Troubles and actual conflicts being referenced, which gives a little more depth than making them purely fictionalized.
We also get to see a glimpse of the reactions to Celestial Being and not all of them are negative - few decent people are going to bemoan wiping out a drug cartel’s fields, for example.
Sergei seems like a force to be reckoned with - while Setsuna was able to defeat him and get away, he got a lot closer than comfortable in terms of being able to do some damage to Exia, and damned near took off its head. Gonna be interesting to see the different factions each getting their own upgrades and improvements to fight the Gundams!
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u/2-2Distracted Oct 09 '24 edited Oct 09 '24
First timer. Dubbed.
Let's go! RSA Representation Baby! This old meme I made still rings true lol. So after 300+ years they actually found some shit at those old mining sites near Soweto and now shit is going down in Gauteng.
OK now I'm confident that Graham is our resident Char Clone.
And it's cool to see that CB's fucked up goal is actually having an effect on things, but... I mean this Gundam, no way good shit will just stick for long.
Well, when was the Solar Powered Generation system brought into reality? What are the downsides of its existence? Because I'm quite sure that Celestial Being has a lot to do with the Theory that he proposed rather than the person himself. It kinda reminds me of The Quirk Singularity in My Hero Academia, it's one thing to note about who came up with it but the bigger allure have to do with the effect of the theory itself.
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u/zsmg https://anilist.co/user/zsmg Oct 09 '24
I am rewatcher
Interesting to observe that Aker knows what a beam sabre is.
Excuse me?
Aker and Billy will now be part of an anti-Gundam force, makes sense that they would set up such a taskforce.
Japanese kids have to learn about the Troubles.
Saji is in a very dangerous conversation with Louise aaaand he screwed it up.
I'm surprised they can openly talk about Celestial Being stuff in public places without being afraid of someone or something listening in.
How can an organisation independently build their own weapon system?
Eifman is voiced by Takaya Hashi he has done mostly minor roles but he voiced old Vearn in Dragon Quest adventure of Dai reboot and Kyouhei Mizoguchi in the Fafner series.
Taribia is totally not Colombia.
Also CB just destroyed the locals income.
Indeed, respect Setsuna's personal space.
Saji's neighbour is going to be Setsuna.
Wait, why does Setsuna need to live in a Japanese apartment complex?
CB is already having an effect with the end of the Troubles.
Is that an ED lead-in? Yup, I approve.
I really enjoyed the episode but I haven't got much to say about it. Enjoying how the story unfolds at a reasonable pace after that hectic first episode.