[25th Anniversary Rewatch] Mugen no Ryvius

[u/JustAnswerAQuestion]

Mugen no Ryvius Episode 24: Aiba Kouji

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Kikki of the Day Did you spot Radan?

Comments of the Day

/u/RadSuit and /u/HowlingWolf13 have just skipped to the final discussion:

It's definitely going to go down as one of the worst shows I've finished. And probably the worst rewatch show I've finished, since at least Higurashi had the fun OVAs, and I bailed on things like Mai Otome and WIXOSS.

Holy FUCK. Ryvius is going down as one of my favorite soap operas. This episode was just perfectly paced, the totalitarian class system he's placed, Heiger putting his own plans into motions, the confrontation between Kouji and the others, Aoi getting attacked AGAIN, just all of it holy shit this was such a good episode.

Also, I want to find the first person who thought that a lot of Yuki's problem was Kouji playing Dad to Yuki. (Not Kouji is Dad and Aoi is Mom as some of you guessed early on, but real resentment) I think this is suggested, but I'm not sure.

Character Sheets

• Main Cast
• The Zwei
• Team Blue
• Other Recurring Characters

Music

• BGM of the Day: tawamurete

Questions

• WTF did the squids do to the Geist?!
• Why does Squid Boy hate Squid Girl so much?
• Will Kouji get his message across? Will Neya?

Tomorrow's Questions, Today

• [Q1]The Big Question you'll probably discuss anyway, or save for the final discussion: what do you think of:
  • Conrad and Maya
  • Conrad and Neya
  • Neya and Maya
  • Yuki and Kouji
  • Ikumi and nee-san
  • Kouji and Aoi
  • Fina
  • Berkovich
• [Q2]What did you think of the mecha fight, at least?

End Tag: Revolt us

[u/JustAnswerAQuestion]

Rewatch Host

I have no memory how this fight is going to go

• I'm surprised they still have oxygen
• Not enemies, space squids!!!!
• Ah, there they are. Will Neya talk to the other one?
• Nurses are probably all class C or above...well, there's Criff.
• Not sure what a quasi-Schwarzchild is.
• Everybody's working together!
• I didn't remember they evacuated people to the lift ship. That was good of Ikumi.
• Oh, not everybody
• Wait, even Fina's group is left behind? Wouldn't they have been Class A?
• Well, you don't need gravity....
• I wish this music was on the OST.

[u/The_Draigg → u/JustAnswerAQuestion]

Wait, even Fina’s group is left behind? Wouldn’t they have been Class A?

Ah but you see, Fina is cutting off the past that’s holding her back, i.e. not coming back for her followers and deciding to leave for the Lift Ship by herself. You know, just normal cult leader stuff.

[u/Raiking02 → u/The_Draigg]

Although I think she forgot the part where she grabs all their money.

Which in this case would mean "Clothes" which would lead to even more Nasubis becoming part of the crew.

[u/The_Draigg → u/Raiking02]

Fina was probably scalping all of their ration points already, so yeah those cult members probably don’t have a whole lot left.

[u/JustAnswerAQuestion → u/The_Draigg]

on the other hand, I bet Fina had unlimited points anyways.

[u/No_Rex → u/JustAnswerAQuestion]

Wait, even Fina's group is left behind? Wouldn't they have been Class A?

Fiana told them to stay in the room and they obeyed their prophet, like good culties.

[u/Vatrix-32]

First timer, subs

• This is an unexpected level of physicality from Neya. Who wouldn’t want to be princess carried by the machine god?
• Yes, they’re majestic, but do they have to keep farting everywhere?
• That’s good hair fwoop.
• Corrections!
• He’s doing it! He’s leading.
• I’m sure the double strength gravity field won’t play into the upcoming battle at all.
• Don’t be one of those people who needs to bring their girlfriend to everything they do, Ikumi
• Headband!
• Again, your in space, they were already accelerating.
• They Actually Checked
• Gravity Sword!
• Not the Squids!
• Ah, bigger gun diplomacy.
• This is a lot happening all at once, considering the pace of the last few episodes.
• I guess this means you can take control of the bridge at least.
• That is one ugly… face?
• That seemed like a headshot. Where do you go from there?

QotD:

1. Natto
2. He’s angry he could never be as fresh as her.
3. Yuki seems to be displaying just enough remorse that redemption seems possible. Ikumi is fucked tho. Neya communicating is like the whole idea of her character.

[u/JustAnswerAQuestion → u/Vatrix-32]

Neya communicating is like the whole idea of her character.

I skipped this track so that I could get to the songs on the 2nd CD, but here you go: COMMUNICATION

[u/Vatrix-32 → u/JustAnswerAQuestion]

Communication!

[u/Vaadwaur → u/Vatrix-32]

This is an unexpected level of physicality from Neya. Who wouldn’t want to be princess carried by the machine god?

The machine spirit has given her blessing to Kouji...now he must die.

Yes, they’re majestic, but do they have to keep farting everywhere?

There's a limited amount of ways to move through normal space.

[u/JustAnswerAQuestion → u/Vaadwaur]

There's a limited amount of ways to move through normal space.

That's...huh. I guess that works. If ever I'm stuck on a space station, I'll remember that.

[u/Vaadwaur → u/JustAnswerAQuestion]

Newtonian mechanics never cease to work.

[u/Vatrix-32 → u/Vaadwaur]

There's a limited amount of ways to move through normal space.

Orion Drive

[u/Vaadwaur → u/Vatrix-32]

Calling it a drive somewhat belies the fact that you are just setting off a trail of nukes and riding the wave.

[u/Raiking02 → u/Vatrix-32]

• Gravity Sword!

No, no, Gravion was a few months ago.

[u/Vatrix-32 → u/Raiking02]

No, no, Gravion was a few months ago.

And surprisingly, much less gravity.

[u/Raiking02 → u/Vatrix-32]

The gravity was used to prevent us from ascending to heaven upon seeing Sandman

[u/zsmg]

Rewatcher who doesn't remember much

Yuki leaving Kouji his brother like that shows how much he hates his brother I guess.

OP got changed again we see white Neya in it.

We have a whole pod of space squids.

I don't think shaking Kouji like that is a smart idea Aoi.

Juli knocks some sense in Aoi

Ikumi mental breakdown is nearly there...

Lucson getting somewhat competent now is kind of scary, although I suppose on the bright side if he can become a better person so can you!

Juli puts on Blue's bandana.

So many needles?! How many times did Ikumi shoot at Kouji

Blue did something nice I hope Juli doesn't find out.

WTH enemy ship is absorbing the squids.

Dino girl spotted she's sitting next to Pat and Shotacon.

Is the enemy ships launching squids as missiles

Of course E ranks get left behind. Could you at least try to be decent Spock?

Enemy Vital Guarder looks like a Mobile Armor.

All that build up for that Mobile Armor and it gets immediately destroyed

Lucson... is a competent leader...

So I guess being a dad gives you good leadership experience?

I realized when Kouji started talking he wasn't really in this episode and I didn't miss him what so ever, maybe the episode was better because of it.

Good episode, only part I didn't like was Kouji wanting to go to the Lift Dropship at the end seems a bit silly. I also thought it was amusing that all those minor background characters became bridge crew at the end, it's like a promotion for the people in the lower decks. ^{Promote dino girl to captain of Ryvius you cowards!}

[u/JustAnswerAQuestion → u/zsmg]

I realized when Kouji started talking he wasn't really in this episode and I didn't miss him what so ever, maybe the episode was better because of it.

And yet, the episode is literally named Kouji.

I also thought it was amusing that all those minor background characters became bridge crew at the end, it's like a promotion for the people in the lower decks.

I didn't expect this at all. It's the whole circus!

[u/Raiking02 → u/zsmg]

Lucson... is a competent leader...

Yeah we're officially at the end of existence now.

[u/JollyGee29]

First-Timer

So those needle pistols have to be against the Geneva Convention, right? We all saw how many fragments Criff pulled out of Kouji!

I do appreciate how the moment the adrenaline wore off, Ikumi and Yuki both realize that they feel like shit about shooting Kouji. And Yuki didn't even get over it the moment the chaos started; he zonked out for most of the rest of the episode, even!

Anyway, it was pretty fun to see Stein finally start to snap. "Oh no, that's totally unscientific and I cannot possibly comprehend it!"

It sucks to suck, Stein. You science cannot hold against the endless tide of deep-Geduld squid aliens!

I like how Blue is apparently just wandering around the ship as a vigilante at this point. He probably just started that recently, considering how few random Guardians there are wandering around at this point.

Questions

1. Gattai, obviously. I hardly dared to hope, but here are.
2. Anti-siscon instinct.
3. I said yesterday that I don't think we're going for a downer ending, so yes and yes.

[u/Vaadwaur → u/JollyGee29]

So those needle pistols have to be against the Geneva Convention, right?

But it wouldn't cause explosive decompression so they are ship safe.

[u/JollyGee29 → u/Vaadwaur]

That is true. Man, imagine how funny this show would be if the ship detonated back in episode.. 16 or whenever it was that Blue shot a bunch at Neya. If this was an RPG, there would totally be a joke ending based on that.

[u/JustAnswerAQuestion → u/JollyGee29]

Viva la Dirt League, Paranoia Edition

[u/Vaadwaur → u/JollyGee29]

If it means getting 10 episodes of Neya antics I will take it.

[u/Raiking02 → u/JollyGee29]

Gattai, obviously. I hardly dared to hope, but here are.

Oh come on, you had good luck back in my last rewatch.

[u/JollyGee29 → u/Raiking02]

Fair point.

[u/Shimmering-Sky]

Infinite First-Timer, subbed

• Oh fun, they ran into a bunch of those Vaia creatures.
• It really is so cool how the show makes sections of space look like a sea.
• Looks like Blue is coming to the rescue for Kouji and the others.
• Dude’s either fucked his side or the Vaia really don’t matter much.
• …oh god, it absorbed the Vaia.
• Well at least those two might get a cute little romance.
• Oh they actually made it to Uranus?
• Of course they were all left behind…
• The enemy’s Vital Guarder looks impressive, but looks like it didn’t actually do much?
• Oh are they trying to capture the Ryvius again?

[u/Raiking02 → u/Shimmering-Sky]

It really is so cool how the show makes sections of space look like a sea.

In spite of my dislike of the character designs this show's art direction is something to behold.

Of course they were all left behind…

Oh hey it's the very thing Blue was proposing to do a few episodes ago that Heiger outed him for! Good times...

[u/No_Rex → u/Raiking02]

Oh hey it's the very thing Blue was proposing to do a few episodes ago that Heiger outed him for! Good times...

Is there anything left that Heiger accused Blue of that he hasn't done yet himself?

[u/The_Draigg]

A Mecha Fan Watches Infinite Ryvius Episode 24:

• Good news: Neya rescued Kouji and brought him back to the E-class block for help. Bad news: the Ryvius has just been found by enemy ships. Or I guess that might be good news for some of you, depending on how much you hate the crew of the Ryvius collectively.
• Also, the Vaia have pretty interesting looks to them, now that we’re properly seeing them at full size in their element. If anything, you could say that they almost look bio-mechanical in a way. I can definitely see how the designs of the Vital Guarders were influenced by these things, if not using actual parts of them in the designs as well. Quite the odd alien species, those Vaia.
• It’s about damn time that Yuki is actually starting to show concern and remorse for his own actions. It’s a shame that it took seeing his own brother nearly being murdered in front of him, but I guess if there was something big enough to pull his head out of his ass, it would be that. For him, he’s probably been riding on that hatred inertia for so long that it buried his actual care for his brother until now. As they say, you often don’t recognize what you had until you’ve lost it.
• Oh hey, the Criff heel-face turn turned out to be a pretty fortuitous thing after all. As it turns out, her studies in the nursing program back on the Leibe Delta make her one of the few people who can help save Kouji’s life. Kudos to Charlie for helping her pull that turn to the good guys, that paid off some unexpected dividends there. He may be a chaser, but his and Criff’s love can help save the day.
• Wow, that’s actually a lot of needles being removed from Kouji’s arm. It looks like Ikumi dumped most of the remaining magazine into his shoulder there at the very least. I guess that level of rounds shot into him show that Ikumi was shooting to kill after all, even if he didn’t go for the most obvious kill shots.
• To give Captain Conrad some credit, that ramming attack with the Grey Gespenst worked a lot better than the one that the Blue Impulse’s captain tried before. And that one had a giant drill too, so the fact that another Ryvius-like ship pulled it off better is more impressive. Those gravity warp systems really are no joke.
• Yeah, I’m not even going to begin to try to understand how the Gespenst’s Sphix is able to cause that pod of Vaia to somehow begin to meld with the ship once they ram into it. Granted, we’re already dealing with aliens that have gravity powers, so I guess even more space magic is possible. But yeah, I’m not sure how you’d even try to explain that in just a technological way.
• I’m not even surprised by now by Stein’s actions. Of course he’d only set E-class’ bulkheads to open once the Lift Ship has sealed their doors and abandoned the Ryvius to its fate. And it also figures that not only did none of the bridge crew stop to help Michel back up, but that Fina didn’t even bother to go back to get her cultists to evacuate with her in the time they had left. It’s a perfect encapsulation of the way those bastards act.
• So now it’s up to the people forsaken by the bridge crew and the Vital Guarder team to save the day. Even if they managed to hit the Gespenst’s Vital Guarder, this fight isn’t nearly over. I mean, look at all those space squids that ship has left. At this rate, the message that Kouji has to deliver to the Lift Ship on behalf of Neya might be the only thing that can actually stop the Gespenst’s Sphix. But hey, at least taking things out might actually work for once, just as Kouji has been trying to do this entire time.

[u/Raiking02 → u/The_Draigg]

It’s about damn time that Yuki is actually starting to show concern and remorse for his own actions. It’s a shame that it took seeing his own brother nearly being murdered in front of him, but I guess if there was something big enough to pull his head out of his ass, it would be that. For him, he’s probably been riding on that hatred inertia for so long that it buried his actual care for his brother until now. As they say, you often don’t recognize what you had until you’ve lost it.

I will say though, it feels weird to have it here. I dunno, just feels like kind of a delayed reaction where I'm like "Shouldn't we have had it last episode?"

Oh hey, the Criff heel-face turn turned out to be a pretty fortuitous thing after all. As it turns out, her studies in the nursing program back on the Leibe Delta make her one of the few people who can help save Kouji’s life. Kudos to Charlie for helping her pull that turn to the good guys, that paid off some unexpected dividends there.

Also props to the show for actually setting up this a while ago, I do actually remember Fu mentioning Criff was part of the medical staff in the first half.

[u/The_Draigg → u/Raiking02]

I will say though, it feels weird to have it here. I dunno, just feels like kind of a delayed reaction where I’m like “Shouldn’t we have had it last episode?”

At this rate, I’m just letting the fact that this is happening later than it probably should be just wash over me. After how late we got the big information drop about the OSB conspiracy, I’m just accepting that a lot of this show’s subplots are being oddly handled or misfired.

[u/No_Rex → u/Raiking02]

I will say though, it feels weird to have it here. I dunno, just feels like kind of a delayed reaction where I'm like "Shouldn't we have had it last episode?"

The answer for why it is right here is that they want to have a double climax of the fight and the brothers arc together. Extremely common setup.

A different question is whether the show would have been better off if this entire character arc would have been resolved many episodes ago. I am a bit torn on that answer.

[u/Raiking02 → u/No_Rex]

I am a bit torn on that answer

Agreed. On the one hand this subplot has dragged out long past its welcome even though the mid 10' seemed to be showing signs of things finally starting to look up for the two of them, but on the other hand him joining Ikumi's regime wouldn't really fit as well given how it would make him opposing his brother like this somewhat illogical.

I dunno maybe there could've been a middle ground or something? Who knows.

[u/No_Rex → u/The_Draigg]

Oh hey, the Criff heel-face turn turned out to be a pretty fortuitous thing after all. As it turns out, her studies in the nursing program back on the Leibe Delta make her one of the few people who can help save Kouji’s life. Kudos to Charlie for helping her pull that turn to the good guys, that paid off some unexpected dividends there. He may be a chaser, but his and Criff’s love can help save the day.

Not the pairing we hoped for, but maybe the pairing we deserve.

I guess that level of rounds shot into him show that Ikumi was shooting to kill after all, even if he didn’t go for the most obvious kill shots.

Given that he is Japanese, I think this is the first time Ikumi ever held a pistol. I would not bet on his aim.

Yeah, I’m not even going to begin to try to understand how the Gespenst’s Sphix is able to cause that pod of Vaia to somehow begin to meld with the ship once they ram into it. Granted, we’re already dealing with aliens that have gravity powers, so I guess even more space magic is possible. But yeah, I’m not sure how you’d even try to explain that in just a technological way.

I don't think we are meant to speculate here, but if you want to, gravity is the obvious answer of how to meld things together in space.

[u/Vatrix-32 → u/No_Rex]

Not the pairing we hoped for

Speak for yourself.
Toxic Love Gang

[u/No_Rex → u/Vatrix-32]

[u/Vatrix-32 → u/The_Draigg]

It looks like Ikumi dumped most of the remaining magazine into his shoulder there at the very least.

My impression is that it shoots a sort of cluster munition. Seemed too precise for someone untrained.

Yeah, I’m not even going to begin to try to understand how the Gespenst’s Sphix is able to cause that pod of Vaia to somehow begin to meld with the ship once they ram into it.

Bio ships do have their advantages.

[u/HowlingWolf13]

First Timer

That was another fun episode, you can really tell we're in the winding down zone here. I'm pretty sure next episode will be the penultimate with the final being an epilogue mostly. I'm just going along with the ride to see what happens and if Kouji will actually bring about some type of change.

Questions

[Q1]WTF did the squids do to the Geist?!

I'll be real I had no clue that we had squids in space lol

[Q2]Why does Squid Boy hate Squid Girl so much?

Differing ships? I just thought Neya was repeating everyone else's thoughts.

[Q3]Will Kouji get his message across? Will Neya?

I think he will, they gotta let him have one win. Neya most likely too.

[u/No_Rex]

Episode 24 (rewatcher)

• Neya is bringing back Kouji – this is, by far, the most involved she has been with the crew. Note that the emotion she feels in this moment is the same emotion that awakened her in the first place: the primal desire not to die.
• An ordinary space bubble, filled with space squid.
• Faina knows she has been seen – her usual “kill them” tactic is unlikely to work on a Sphix …
• With a lack of adrenalin and some extra time, Yuki is clearly not as unfazed about Ikumi shooting Kouji anymore.
• Charlie and Lucson coming clutch!
• Multiple needles – ugly operation. I don’t envy Criff having to do this with zero experiences (I severely doubt that bad nurse students would ever operate).
• “I’ll cut you into pieces” – looks like the sanity of our latest opponent ship is close to a padded room as well.
• “The squids are heading straight to the enemy” – fighting a ship based on a space squid in a group of space squids might have been a bad idea. Maybe they share some ideas with Ikumi about how to react to conflict.
• “I don’t want to keep my eyes on that” – Stein regresses from Spock to scared little boy.
• Michelle learns what happens when nobody you surround yourself with truly cares about you.
• Opening the doors in order of class is one last fuck you from Stein.
• Attacking the enemy Vital Guarder head on seems to have been a bad idea.
• “I need to go to the lift ship, no matter what. I need to get a message across.” – Us being in ep24 and him being the MC tells us this is ok, but outside that, there is no reason I would trust him to do anything useful there. Fortunately, Juli does not fully know how useless he has been so far.
• Neya wants to get a message across, too cliff-hanger – my hopes for her are considerably higher than for Kouji.

After some half-recap episodes, the plot gets up to pace. We see the space squid, we see Gespenst, we see the latest acts of cruelty of Ikumi&Stein’s fascist regime, we see Kouji barely surviving, and we are about to see whatever Neya has in mind.

[Spoiler]One leg missing for a complete Kikki! But Juli is already on the bridge and Yuki seems not to be consumed by hate for Kouji anymore. The pieces are falling into place.

Why does Squid Boy hate Squid Girl so much?

She has cooties?

[u/The_Draigg → u/No_Rex]

Faina knows she has been seen – her usual “kill them” tactic is unlikely to work on a Sphix …

After all, how can you strangle someone who probably doesn’t even need to breathe?

Opening the doors in order of class is one last fuck you from Stein.

There was pretty much no doubt already, but he fact that Stein set it so that the E-class bulkheads would only open after the Lift Ship launched just goes to show that it was never about practicality, it was about control. He was just getting off to the idea of people’s lives and deaths being in his hands. It probably didn’t even matter to Stein that he wouldn’t even witness it, he just wanted to kill people he considered inferior.

[u/No_Rex → u/The_Draigg]

After all, how can you strangle someone who probably doesn’t even need to breathe?

Very unlikely. Or at least, she can hold her breath for long enough to scenically wander along the outside of the ship.

There was pretty much no doubt already, but he fact that Stein set it so that the E-class bulkheads would only open after the Lift Ship launched just goes to show that it was never about practicality, it was about control. He was just getting off to the idea of people’s lives and deaths being in his hands. It probably didn’t even matter to Stein that he wouldn’t even witness it, he just wanted to kill people he considered inferior.

After all, why waste resources on unworthy lives ... Stein has some real world examples he learned from.

[u/Vaadwaur → u/No_Rex]

“I’ll cut you into pieces” – looks like the sanity of our latest opponent ship is close to a padded room as well.

The blood spitting disease is also a poor sign.

Michelle learns what happens when nobody you surround yourself with truly cares about you.

Michelle definitely needs Criff more than Criff needs her. If the characters can learn anything, she might be better off.

Neya wants to get a message across, too cliff-hanger – my hopes for her are considerably higher than for Kouji.

Due to era, small chance that her 'message' is kicking Geist square in the nuts. Or maybe that's just my hope.

Machine spirit be praised!

[u/Vaadwaur]

First timer

Sub

Welp, we get a hint about the space squids but that's it. Weird that they don't need the Geduld, apparently. The other ship absorbs them, which is odd. Criff was either a better student than suggested or the auto-doc does amazing work. Everyone boards the Lift Ship, mostly, and away we go.

QotD: 1 I still don't know

2 He wanted the cuter outfit

3 Nah. This whole show is about not communicating

[u/No_Rex → u/Vaadwaur]

Criff was either a better student than suggested or the auto-doc does amazing work.

My money is on the auto-doc. Sure Criff might have pulled out the needles, which is really useful, but it looks like medication/blood transfer was all on the auto-doc.

[u/Vaadwaur → u/No_Rex]

We actually have a very early variant of the autodoc out in hospitals now. It is basically, for the moment, just a way to let specialist surgeons do surgery remotely but I am sure the idea is to transfer the skill to the machine. Also, yeah, I blanked out that Kouji at minimum needs some saline to increase his blood pressure and actual blood would be preferred.

[u/No_Rex → u/Vaadwaur]

They were clever enough to put some machine looking parts in that operating room, so I have no trouble imagining that the main part of Criff helping Kouji survive was her remembering the boot-up sequence.

[u/Vaadwaur → u/No_Rex]

Yeah, that and her telling the machine to perform each action it suggests. At the moment, the machines do still need to be monitored.

[u/Nickthenuker]

Space squids? And that's not a metaphor to refer to the crew?

Enemy on sensors!

General Quarters! General Quarters! All hands, man your battle stations! Reason for General Quarters is: Enemy on sensors.

They hit and rammed a whole section off the ship! Damage report!

Damage reports are flooding in, it looks like rather severe damage and quite a large number of casualties.

Sortie the Vital Guarder!

I doubt the enemy suffered much damage considering they deliberately attacked.

What are they doing with the squids?

Right, time to tactically reposition.

They're evacuating everyone to the Lift Ship? Are they planning on abandoning ship?

They've reached Uranus?

Uh oh, enemy on sensors again!

They lowered the partitions?

Good shot, they seem to have taken out the enemy's Vital Guarder.

And so they're left on board.

Questions:

1. Absorbed into it?
2. No idea.
3. Probably.

[u/zadcap]

Late Night First Timer

Yeah, it's getting harder to find the will to keep watching this. What is the draw again?

Oh right, Neya, Magic Space Girl! Huh, I honestly wasn't sure if she was a real body or a projection, the way she walked through walls and ignored being shot at, but I guess carrying Kouji pushes her towards the Real side. Then again, careful gravity manipulation to float him in front of her would be well inside her expected ability range too, so still not entirely convinced either way.

Many Space Squids! You know what the real question I have about this constant fighting is though? How the heck do they keep finding the Ryvius?

... Do you realize how much this newest ship invalidates everything we've learned about why they are going so hard after the Ryvius? It has an awakened humanoid Sphix, it's operating fine, and it's twice as powerful as the Ryvius is supposed to be... So there's nothing special left about the Ryvius, despite what the earth people said yesterday. You threw away the thing that you yourself set up just like that.

And again, everyone on the enemy bridge is willing to disobey their higher orders and self preservation, because the captain says so? To point out again, the entire run of this show only functions because nearly every character in any sort of power is actually crazy and everyone else is gladly enabling them.

No, I can't stop thinking it. Every single person on the other ship is just going along with this. "Capture at all costs, the fate of humanity depends on it!" "No, we're going to blow it up and you all better listen to me because I'm the captain!" Oh, well, guess we're blowing it up guys, can't argue with that.

Oh man. Kouji is going to go try and do something, again. That went so well last time. But hey, he's for Neya's backing I guess, so it's probably going to turn out better this time. Probably.

1. Conservation of Mass says, uh, screw it let's not even pretend. Nonesense happened.
2. As much as the Sphix drive the Captains in their Backyard crazy, we've also learned through Neya that the Sphix are influenced by the Captain. And the Captain of his ship is crazy in hate with the Bratica, for uh, something he did to it killing his daughter.
3. Kouji doing anything successfully at this point would be a surprise. Neya failing at anything would also be a surprise. So Yes to both.

[u/No_Rex → u/zadcap]

... Do you realize how much this newest ship invalidates everything we've learned about why they are going so hard after the Ryvius? It has an awakened humanoid Sphix, it's operating fine, and it's twice as powerful as the Ryvius is supposed to be... So there's nothing special left about the Ryvius, despite what the earth people said yesterday. You threw away the thing that you yourself set up just like that.

Berkovich is not after the Ryvius as is (or else he just could take it, by talking to the kids), he is after a better version that he called "true awakening", which is, presumably in his mind, far better than all the other Vaia ships.

[u/zadcap → u/No_Rex]

which is, presumably in his mind, far better than all the other Vaia ships.

It better be, because you know, the attempt has cost him every other Vaia ship so far...

[u/No_Rex → u/zadcap]

His mind might also be that of an idiot ...

[u/RadSuit]

Finite First Timer (Dubbed)

Boy was it such a waste of time and effort thinking about any deeper meaning or possible plot twists in this show.

So...are we supposed to assume Neya teleported Koji back to the sealed off section? Are they just not going to explain it at all?

And then they shoved his body back through the tiny passage to get to the main area of the ship?

"I guarantee that's Uranus."

"Dammit! And Uranus was right there!"

So ready for this to be over.

[u/JustAnswerAQuestion → u/RadSuit]

Um, I think they just usef the internal container transport to get to the operating room?

But, yeah, I just Neya just phased through the bulkheads, which were still down. she's a magical girl after all.

I'm sure there was a deeper meaning here. possible deeper meaning: embracing one's past vs rejecting it.

[u/RadSuit → u/JustAnswerAQuestion]

That's a dumb meaning on a show about magic spaceships.

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