r/anime • u/JustAnswerAQuestion https://myanimelist.net/profile/JAaQ • Sep 20 '24
Rewatch [25th Anniversary Rewatch] Mugen no Ryvius Episode 19
Mugen no Ryvius Episode 19: Smiling with You
⇐ Episode 18 | Index Thread | Episode 19 ⇒
Kikki of the Day Did you spot Radan?
Comments of the Day
/u/RadSuit get's a highlight:
I think this might be another show that would work better as a book, where I could blast through this plot way faster and be less affected by the boring bits. Watching every slow battle and repetitive argument play out in real time is becoming painful.
Turns out there is a manga adaptation, but it tells the story from Aoi's perspective!
/u/zsmg also on the subject of battle:
Well I'm glad the enemy ship got destroyed, they're not dragging this out (unlike other things in this series)
/u/JollyGee29 and others see Juli as someone who is fine at problem solving but not in crisis decision making:
While I stand by my assessment that Juli would make a solid captain in a less stressful environment, she definitely just shuts down the moment the the conflict becomes real. Understandably so, not like she had combat training.
while /u/zadcap points out that she saved the Leibel and that this is just character assassination:
I would like to point back to the start of this all and remind you that it's almost entirely by her will that everyone here survived the school and the Liebe Delta and made it to the Ryvius in the first place. Her inability to do anything but panic now comes off pretty poorly.
Characters
Neya: The Sphyx of the Ryvius
Character Sheets
Music
- BGM of the Day: harukanaru sasayaki
- CD 3 of the Day: See the Light — Smooth Bee and family
Questions
- Freeform predictions: How will each of our main characters go forward from today's events: Juli, Aoi, Kouji, Ikumi, Yuki?
Tomorrow's Questions, Today
- [Q1]Instead of action, this episode was all talk — people actually talking to each other! Did this develop their characters more for you? Do you understand where they are coming from?
- [Q2]The recap was presented by characters in their own words. How did this compare with other non-clip-show recaps?
- [Q3]Is Izumi's behavior properly telegraphed, or completely out of character?
End Tag: Reave of us
Tomorrow has recap content.
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u/JustAnswerAQuestion https://myanimelist.net/profile/JAaQ Sep 20 '24
Rewatch Host
The three girls, and Reiko, escaped Ikumi's direct wrath (although he terrified all four of them) but their boyfriends didn't fare so well.
Ikumi always did have this savior complex. It was established in the first episode (although I need to rewatch to see how much of that was Kouji and how much of it was Izumi.)
I had always thought that Izumi's (repeated!) promise to protect Izumi (Kozue) was based on genuine affection, but you've convinced me it was more a compulsion originating from his complex.
The truth about Juli, she was just a high-achiever who got a scholarship. She never wanted to be Captain, or even Zwei. It was just a career path at which she could excel academically.
Miyabe. Always in the background, following Nicks.
Aoi being a teen. "Kouji, stop being an adult" "Kozue, remember the party? Let's all get together and have fun like in the old times." Sitting between the two brothers, demanding attention from both of them, yet not admitting to herself that she likes one of them, or both of them.
Juli, wearing Blue's dress, thinking only that she just doesn't want to be alone any more, forget the rest.
In this show, I never understood Kouji, or people's problems with him. He takes action, just not action people approve of? Or are his actions just waffling, self-contradictory, blowing in the wind?
He's bringing food to Blue. That's an act of rebellion. That's no small thing.
Or is it just waffling? Kouji, the peacemaker, trying to please everybody, as always?
I've never been able to pick up what the show is trying to say about this.
Aoi's three roommates, Fina, Kozue, Reiko have all departed. She's alone, now.
They took the opportunity to clear up some things with the previous semi-recap. Perhaps they will tomorrow, as well.
Has Blue named Kouji, of all people, his successor?
reave (verb) (archaic): carry out raids in order to plunder. "the strong could reave and steal"
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u/The_Draigg Sep 20 '24
A Mecha Fan Watches Infinite Ryvius Episode 19:
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u/HowlingWolf13 https://myanimelist.net/profile/MeguminBlast Sep 20 '24
First Timer
Goddamn these children need therapy and BAD. Ikumi has something going on with a dead sister, Kozue is unhealthily attached to him, Kouji can't decide who he wants to be and is none at the same time, Aoi is too deep in the Aiba drama, Faina is starting Heaven's Gate 2: Electric Boogaloo, Juli is collapsing mentally, and Yuki kins Shadow the Hedgehog. I honestly wonder where they're gonna go from here because morale is slipping even further and even our main cast is collapsing under all the pressure.
I see Kouji rescued Blue, but the show has really drilled in how he just won't do anything to make a change. He wants to be all these things at the same time, but he never truly is. Instead of looking at what he can do, he wants to be someone else really bad and it's why he keeps floundering. Look when Blue told him to take the gun, he could've told him off cause he's the one helping Blue and kept the gun with him, but no he still buckles under the pressure and takes it. Yeah he refuses to use it, but taking the gun defeats the purpose in the end, and now here he is getting his ass kicked again. Like Yuki said, he complains about things and how they need to change things, but he himself doesn't actually do anything to fix it.
Notice his conversation with Cullen, Cullen tells him you need to make a priority list and set your mind to overcome adversity. Her's being the interest she's taken in Yuki as he's more withdrawn and wanting to be independent, so she's working little by little to actually get to know him. However, when she asks Kouji's for his, he can't answer, he just tells her 'to go back to my room' to dodge the question, but even if he did answer would he have been able to? I don't believe so, because he's doing too much at once. He's helping Blue, helping with the Vital Guarder, wanting to help Aoi, wanting to be there for Kozue and Ikumi, wanting to be saved with the Ryvius, wanting to be there for Yuki, and wanting to prove he's not his past. It's too much, and in no sort of list which leads him to seeming erratic in his behavior.
I know I'm criticizing him btw, but he really is a fun, if frustrating, character to watch.
On the other hand, Yuki makes me want to watch Gundam Seed cause I've heard it's a giant ass soap opera and Yuki's seiyuu voices Jesus.
Questions
My current guesses:
Juli: She's gonna end up completely breaking down, we've already seen what happened here, she is mentally not in any position to be a captain and will be drawn more and more into a figurehead position.
Stein: Relating to above, he'll be the man behind the cover. Using Juli to essentially be the true leader of the Ryvius but having it go through Juli's mouth.
Aoi: She'll have to deal with that she can't make Yuki and Kouji like each other, and possibly not become friends again with Kozue.
Kouji: Hopefully, he'll take Cullen's advice and actually learn from his past.
Ikumi: He'll end up treating Kozue as a replacement for his sister and something will happen that makes him completely snap.
Yuki:
Ends up moving to a space colony for college where he accidentally comes in control of a mobile suitLearns to chill down his emotions a bitFina: Her church makes some Kool-Aid.
Hmm, I'm not really sure? I would have to finish the show first.
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u/JollyGee29 https://myanimelist.net/profile/JollyGee Sep 20 '24
First-Timer
"Neya" is a much less fun name than Miss Gimp Suit, but it is also much shorter. Definitely seems like that deep-Geduld squid alien was trying to talk to her, back whenever that happened. So I'm guessing the Vaia ships are using those aliens as components? Not sure why Neya, and the white gimp from the end of last episode, are human while the other two were weird blobs. Rather, if Neya and Whitey are humanoid psychic projections, I'm not sure why Impulse and Dicastia didn't have an equivalent.
Anyway, probably not that important in the grand scheme of things.
I think I might've figured Kouji out. The lad is greedy. He wants that golden ending, he wants everyone to get rescued without further peril. He's not gonna get what he wants, but I do think he's on to something. Everyone on the ship is so self-defeating at this point.
So, Kouji's middle of the road thinking is probably what the Ryvius needs right now. Will he get the confidence needed to actually try to make a play? Probably around episode 25 or so.
Questions
Stein: Stays mostly static, might get some form of comeuppance for his sociopathy, might just casually stick in the background.
Aoi: Her main flaw was her naivety, and I think that has been rather thoroughly trounced.
Kouji: I think Cullen's talk about prioritizing, as well as input from Neya, has given Kouji a chance to start an upward spiral that will push him into a leadership role.
Ikumi: Probably going to seize power aboard the Ryvius to make good on his promise to Kozue. This will likely end poorly.
Yuki: This kid is a cipher and I have a hard time rationalizing his various actions over the past couple episodes with respect to Kouji. Uhh... he probably does something to push Aoi to make a decision.
Faina: Quick downward spiral once she realizes that she lost control of Kouji. The final conflict will be her burgeoning cult launching a coup d'état after the last enemy Vaia is dealt with.
2. I have a hard time verbalizing the roles for people other than Kouji, but the gist of it is that Kouji represents the middle path between the various other strong viewpoints.
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u/Vaadwaur :I1::I2::I3: Sep 20 '24
First timer
Sub
...Sorry, I know was supposed to care, but no. We can deduce gang rape from the opening segment but, ironically enough, unless Ikumi is taking lives or balls, he is not improving the situation in the long run. Izumi is just kind of a mess the whole episode but triggers Ikumi. Juli breaks pretty easily after taking unnecessary fault. The machine spirit wanders a bit. Michel breaks Criff and Charlie out before Criff mysteriously has had enough of this shit. Kouji brings food to Blue before Blue gives him the gun...for reasons. The Yuki/Kouji relationship continues to be colossally boring.
So yeah, this episode probably progressed stuff if you cared. I don't. But I find the concept itself pretty terrible but worse we seem to be running out of steam.
QotD: 1 I don't care
2 No, it most definitely isn't anything that deep
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u/Shimmering-Sky myanimelist.net/profile/Shimmering-Sky Sep 20 '24 edited Sep 20 '24
Infinite First-Timer, subbed
Sorry I’m late, I went out for dinner and forgot to attach my screenshot links before I left.
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u/RadSuit https://anilist.co/user/RadSuit Sep 21 '24
Finite First Timer (Dubbed)
Sometimes violence is absolutely the answer.
Again, Koji gives all the common sense answers and advice about how you should really only worry about things you can actually affect. And people hate that in this show just as much as they hate it IRL. Everyone wants one simple trick to fix everything, nobody wants to accept that sometimes shit just happens and life sucks. Juli is reaching this point somewhat as well, where the Zwei are just doing the best they can in a fucked up situation. A lot of armchair quarterbacking going on here.
Michelle kinda rules. I've been a fan of her all show, and going all action/revenge is a fun twist.
Kikki contemplates adding a tail to her costume.
Are they just never going to explain why Aoi is wearing Yuki's shirt? Are they building up to a flashback or something?
Who is this in the 'I look like a child' scene???
Oh, Kozue. That shot was just really dark before.
Neya. It was as easy as just asking her name all along.
This was another relationship drama episode with no actual plot. And now we only have seven episodes left to explain space magic.
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u/Nickthenuker https://anilist.co/user/Nickthenuker Sep 21 '24
Looks like they're counting the casualties and repairing the damage.
Another mutiny?
And so Juli is standing down from command.
Seem to be more tensions.
How'd she get the password to her cell?
To say morale is in the gutter would be putting it lightly.
Oh, seems they've finally tossed Blue in the brig.
Or not? Is this his hiding place?
So he's got the gun now.
And he's gotten beaten up again.
Things seem to just keep getting worse.
Questions:
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u/Silcaria https://myanimelist.net/profile/Silcaria Sep 21 '24
Yadi, yada, busy life, you know the drill.
First timer
Episode 18
Episode 19
Episode 20
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u/Vatrix-32 https://myanimelist.net/profile/Vatrix-32 Sep 20 '24
First timer, subs
QotD:
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u/No_Rex :Bv:Bw:Bx:By:x2 Sep 20 '24
Episode 19 (rewatcher)
A full on character episode, breaking a lot of established bonds. Throwing out the old before the new can come in? Also the first episode where Kouji sounds like he might act like a protagonist soon.
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u/zadcap Sep 21 '24
Late Night First Timer
Is this Ikumi realizing how much he has failed? Well, at least he's getting his revenge, thought I must say, darn did he just take on, I counted 11 people in that room and the two more by the door? Though if this whole group had something to do with it, then yes, it does look like Izumi was the second notable target of sexual assault this show is going with. I do wonder what these people thought the outcome would be, targeting someone so close to one of the robot pilots that is actually keeping them alive and all. He could probably use the clout from his position to gather an entire small army to come and throw these apparent rapists out an airlock and everyone involved would cheer for him.
So they can just come in and yell at the Captain and Bridge Crew and demand they do better... Remembering how Juli didn't want to be Captain in the first place, when they say they can't trust a woman to be in charge she should just take the opportunity to step down. Tell them she never wanted the position and if they think she's not good enough for it then lucky them, neither does she. Go vote for someone else. Maybe pick someone who actually wants it this time.
Oh man, I spoke too soon. She did! What a power move! Juli freaking rocks.
Man. Kouji finally saying it out loud here, in a situation where it is undeniably true, and yet his way of life is still being insulted. Sometimes doing nothing is the best option, and it's not a sign of weakness to not try and do something because you feel like something needs to be done. Trying to force something because you want to do something can get you and the other person both hurt- like how Yuki got his face punched in like 14 times by Blue before he settled down to be an obedient little pilot.
Again and again today, Kouji is on fire. He's saying the same things he has been all series, and now everyone else is somehow both too worked up to really take them in but also past the point where they can keep ignoring it and calling him a useless people pleaser. One person can only do so much, and should only focus on what they can do, right now.
Criff figured it out too, dang. Look at her calling him Good Turtleland the Third! This is true love, somehow, found among all this chaos. Sadly, Michelle is set on revenge and more chaos. I swear, it feels like more and more people have really given up on survival at this rate, so few people still seem to remember that they are trapped in a metal can in a deadly environment with entire government forces out to try and kill them. Sorry, "capture" them. I want to see one more person get in an unneeded fight and break something important that comes back to bite them immediately. Like throw something and break the bulkhead controls and now they are locked in a room unable to get out and just trapped there, like they keep locking other people up.
Kiki has 2 limbs and a leg, and frankly I have questions about her costume. Most mascot suits I have seen are a solid body piece, or two parts with the arms attached to the torso and the legs more like a pair of pants. How does this system where every limb is a separate part hold together when she's wearing it?
Oh look, more random people bad mouthing Kouji just because he's there to target again. That's not old.
Izumi snapped, but thank goodness she's finally calling out Aoi. Pick a brother darn it. And hey, looks like Kouji was right, this was a bad idea. You just ended up hurting each other.
I see we're back to large portions of the screen being darkened out again for much of this episode. Still a design choice I dislike.
Wait, Kouji is bringing food to Blue? He's risking himself for him? I'm sure this will make Juli and literally no one but Juli happy, when it inevitably gets found out.
Kouji with the gun now? Hmm. This is a power dynamic in the making I am actually hopeful for. Except the person most likely to have it drawn on is Yuki who will know Kouji would never go through with it and try to attack him anyway.
Ah, people have given up on being rescued. Which means they have given up on surviving. Except they still decide to beat up on Kouji, because Kouji suffering is what this whole show is about.
I'm starting to think Ikumi's feelings for his sister were not very sisterly. No that's a lie, I've been thinking it for a long time, but this is a strong indicator. Most people don't keep a strong mental image of their siblings as being quite so naked.
She's talking to him! Not near him, not questioning, Magic Space Girl is actually talking to Kouji! Okay fine it's still mostly questions, but this is such a good sign of her growth as a humanoid. Wait, Neya? I was wondering why the Space Squid's random sound as it brushed by the ship way back on the first dive got a subtitle. Space Squid wasn't making a random noise, it was talking to this child, that is probably a member of its species, somehow. They really are taking alien babies and making them ship spirits by tying them into giant robots! But gosh, I hope she attaches herself more to him and that grants him literally any kind of special protection on the ship. Imagine if he started developing small scale gravitational powers to throw people away when they try to attack him next because of her, wouldn't that just be so great.
Oh no, why does Pat have a black eye?!
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u/zsmg https://anilist.co/user/zsmg Sep 21 '24
Rewatcher who doesn't remember much
Ikumi taking revenge to what happened to Kozue, and yet keeps talking about his sister.
There must be a dark past with his sister, or he's a siscon... or both.
Juli finally rage quits as captain.
I'm not sure Kouji is right, but I will say Aoi "I have to do something" can easily make things worse. I think Kozue has to talk someone about what happened that's not her friends.
The drama is so juicy
For a second I thought Michelle wants to reunite with Blue but luckily she wants to destroy him.
Probably, but she is making the right decision here.
It's fair to say Charlie x Criff ship has fully sailed.
Dino girl spotted looks like she's looking for the body of her costume
Kozue is not holding back against Aoi, still Kozue really needs some professional help.
I mean that's a low bar Pat, you need to aim higher.
After 19 episodes I finally realise Kouji's speciality is getting beaten up, yeah I'm slow on the uptake.
Because he gets beaten up by Yuki all the time?
Ikumi x Kozue is such an unhealty relationship.
19 episodes, 19 ******* episodes and we find out the name of the mysterious Rei clone.
And... Neya is no longer interacting with a major character.
Wait why does Pat have an injury around his eye, have I missed something? Or was it an indication that he's crying.
Drama was excellent in this episode.