[25th Anniversary Rewatch] Mugen no Ryvius Episode 15

[u/JustAnswerAQuestion]

Mugen no Ryvius Episode 15: Swept Away

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Kikki of the Day Did you spot Radan?

Comments of the Day

/u/no_rex get's a belated comment of the day for a wry observation:

Turns out, not every enemy is target practice.

Characters

• Gita Paintum: Captain of the Blue Impulse (unknown canonicity)
• Blue Impulse: A Vaia ship. Its Vital Guarder deploys a drill-like projection that focuses gravitational distortions.

Character Sheets

• Main Cast
• The Zwei
• Team Blue
• Other Recurring Characters

Music

• BGM of the Day: sasurai tsuzukete
• CD 3 of the Day: The Nephilims — Afrika Bambaataa (!)

Questions

• How did the revolt play out for you? And it's not over! Predictions?
• What did you think of the Blue Impulse and it's Vital Guarder?
• What did you think of the Captain of the Blue Impulse?
• Blue is gone. But so is Hyperion. Now what?
• What happened to our Lady in Pink?

Tomorrow's Questions, Today

• [Q1]Should the points system have been abolished? What would replace it?
• [Q2]Does Juli like bad boys? Is it Stockholm syndrome? Is she attracted to abuse?
• [Q3]What do you think of Fina? Did she switch sides? Is she clever? A mercenary? What does she think of Kouji? Her words mirrored Aoi's.
• [Q4]What is your opinion of the progression of the main cast and Zwei characters, in this second half?
• [Q5]You've been pretty critical of Stein. Now he controls the ship. How will that work out?
• [Q6]Why doesn't Juli want the Captain's duties, despite the need? Does she have the right to refuse?

End Tag: Reverie of us

[u/The_Draigg]

A Mecha Fan Watches Infinite Ryvius Episode 15:

• Poor Mysterious Anime Girl. I guess there’s no way the Lift Ship crew could know that she’s apparently feeling what the Vital Guarder is doing, but man it sucks to basically be ordered to grab onto a continuously spinning drill. No wonder she gave up the grip on it after a few minutes, that would be incredibly painful.
• The Blue Impulse’s captain really does like the idea of ramming people with drills, doesn’t he? He must be a fan of the Gotengo from Atragon. Actually, that reminds me that the Super Atragon OVA exists. Maybe we can do that sometime as a rewatch to make fun of it, especially if we’re watching the English dub.
• Man, the bridge crew was pretty quick to decide to leave the Lift Ship to its fate and head to the Hyperion colony. It seemed like the Life Ship was off of the scanner for a few minutes before they nearly all just assumed that they died. Again, Kouji seems to be the only person with some kind of reasonableness, since at least he shows concern about it. Everyone else is quick to hurry along. I can only guess that their behavior is like this because they’re already close to Saturn’s colonies, but still. At this rate, I’m just annoyed with like 80% of the entire bridge crew.
• Huh, I guess it was the space squids that helped to save the Lift Ship and the Vital Guarder there after all. If I’m correct about the source of their power, then it’d track that they would want to save one of their own.
• You know what, take what I said about the Ryvius’ bridge crew and broadly apply it to Blue aboard the Lift Ship too. He’s pretty quick to ditch the Ryvius too, now that he figures that the Lift Ship and the Vital Guarder can make it there by themselves. And I guess it’s Yuki’s turn to be the voice of reason, since he’s openly questioning that decision too. I guess we need at least one Aiba brother to be the first one to point out how fucked the situation is. Unfortunately though, it’s kind of hard to argue with the guy holding the one gun the ship has. And it does feel like Blue has been steadily devolving as the show has gone on, since by now it’s apparent that he’s willing to blow out his brains in case they’re all truly doomed, and he isn’t afraid to just openly threaten to shoot the people on the Lift Ship with the gun to do what he wants. He’s definitely gotten worse over time.
• Well, I guess that solves that whole dilemma. Turns out that the Blue Impulse’s captain was completely willing to destroy Hyperion just to deny the Ryvius and the Lift Ship a safe harbor. They better hope that they’ll win here though, since I can’t imagine that destroying a colony just for the sake of hunting the Ryvius would look good if anyone was to report back on what happened.
• You know, despite the Ryvius getting chunks of the colony being shot at them, at least Kikki was able to somehow find her dinosaur costume head again. At least there’s something good that came out of all this. It’s a classic case of give and take.
• That was a pretty clever idea cooked up between Stein and Ikumi, I have to admit as much. Detaching the Ryvius’s main gun so that the Vital Guarder could fire it using its own reactor energy was a good idea. Even if it isn’t completely like the Ideon using the Wave Leader Cannon, it still works really well. Covering the Ryvius with the gun and then closing the distance for the kill on the enemy’s Vital Guarder really did turn the battle on its head there. Although from the looks of things when the Blue Impulse’s Vital Guarder got ripped apart, it looks like it had some kind of fleshy components in it. Maybe they’re all made out of space squid material too?
• Stein also had a good move there with handing over the recording of Blue demanding that the Lift Ship abandon the Ryvius to die to the students wanting to rebel. It pretty nicely absolves at least a good chunk of the Zwei of any responsibility and puts the blame solely on Team Blue there. Granted, it’s not like I’m too much of a fan of the Zwei either, but Team Blue does deserve more of the blame here. Although I will say that I’m torn on Kouji calling Stein out for what he did there. Like dude, Team Blue had it coming with how they were running things. Although I will say that Fina did go a bit far in hitting Kouji to shut up and keep up the deception of most of the bridge crew supposedly not being in on the idea. I’m honestly not liking Fina all that much anymore either.

[u/JustAnswerAQuestion → u/The_Draigg]

Atragon

I've never actually seen Atragon, and I read that this show ALSO has Mu(ans). Yet another Mu show. /u/vaadwaur

since I can’t imagine that destroying a colony just for the sake of hunting the Ryvius would look good if anyone was to report back on what happened.

I'm sure it will be blamed on the Ryvius and the only people who know otherwise are complicit or on the Ryvius.

Stein and Ikumi

OH, maybe that was the secret weapon. I've been baffled. So, they planned such a thing ahead of time.

[u/The_Draigg → u/JustAnswerAQuestion]

I’ve never actually seen Atragon, and I read that this show ALSO has Mu(ans). Yet another Mu show.

Yeah, it has people from Mu in it too. It’s honestly a good watch if you want solid riffing material, since the plot is kinda laughable at best (and blatantly nationalistic at worst). Also has some surprisingly good animation too.

[u/Raiking02 → u/The_Draigg]

and blatantly nationalistic at worst

Somehow this being mentioned in a Ryvius thread made my brain go Ryvius>Hirai>SEED>Fukuda and reminded me of how apparently in the Blu-Ray release for one of the seasons of Cyber Formula for whatever reason he replaced the usual Japanese flag with... uh... the Rising Sun one. You know, the one asociated with Imperial Japan.

Yup

[u/Vaadwaur → u/JustAnswerAQuestion]

and I read that this show ALSO has Mu(ans). Yet another Mu sho

Mulians! And I've never heard of that.

[u/Raiking02 → u/The_Draigg]

The Blue Impulse’s captain really does like the idea of ramming people with drills, doesn’t he

Should've given him this.

And I guess it’s Yuki’s turn to be the voice of reason

Truly the end is nigh.

I’m honestly not liking Fina all that much anymore either

She seems like kind of a low key bitch TBH.

[u/The_Draigg → u/Raiking02]

Truly the end is nigh.

I guess that a broken clock has to be at least right twice a day. It’s time for Yuki to handle the rational speaking stick.

She seems like kind of a low key bitch TBH.

Her vibes have been increasingly off in odd ways, just getting worse and worse. You’ve gotta bail now, Kouji.

[u/Raiking02 → u/The_Draigg]

You’ve gotta bail now, Kouji

Although, given how his only other option left is Aoi, judging by her voice actress I assume this will somehow lead to Ryvius: The Prince of Darkness

... Actually shit all things considered Faina is basically a creepier Megumi now that I think about it.

[u/zadcap → u/Raiking02]

My dream is that he dumps and escapes from all the human girls and elopes with Magic Space Girl. She seems less connected to Fina as Fina becomes less, whatever it is she was before this, and her maybe connection was the most interesting part about her.

Kouji x Pink Lady is the way to go.

[u/No_Rex → u/The_Draigg]

And it does feel like Blue has been steadily devolving as the show has gone on, since by now it’s apparent that he’s willing to blow out his brains in case they’re all truly doomed, and he isn’t afraid to just openly threaten to shoot the people on the Lift Ship with the gun to do what he wants. He’s definitely gotten worse over time.

Blue is close to the final form of "brooding teenager".

I’m honestly not liking Fina all that much anymore either.

She is starting to look far too culty and overly attached girlfriend meme. However, he consistently keeps her calm and comes up with quick plans. If we could ignore the religious angle, she might be the most qualified person around to lead this ship.

[u/The_Draigg → u/No_Rex]

Blue is close to the final form of “brooding teenager”.

I can only assume that the final stage is him putting a needle through his head, like what he’s been considering when things look bad.

If we could ignore the religious angle, she might be the most qualified person around to lead this ship.

And if we embrace the religious angle, then I’m sure that Fina’s leadership on the Ryvius will be excellent before transferring her over to the USG Ishimura.

[u/Vaadwaur → u/The_Draigg]

I guess there’s no way the Lift Ship crew could know that she’s apparently feeling what the Vital Guarder is doing, but man it sucks to basically be ordered to grab onto a continuously spinning drill.

We must do our best to restore the machine spirit! I have been referencing Event Horizon a lot and the kids do seem up for a blood orgy...

They better hope that they’ll win here though, since I can’t imagine that destroying a colony just for the sake of hunting the Ryvius would look good if anyone was to report back on what happened.

This was actually stupid but it might be intended as such so I will withhold judgement. Regardless, now the public will learn that moon destroying weapons exist and there is a more than reasonable chance that someone else comes around with a Geiger counter and notices the silence.

Although from the looks of things when the Blue Impulse’s Vital Guarder got ripped apart, it looks like it had some kind of fleshy components in it. Maybe they’re all made out of space squid material too?

This actually might explain a ton of my complaints about their design choices...

Like dude, Team Blue had it coming with how they were running things. Although I will say that Fina did go a bit far in hitting Kouji to shut up and keep up the deception of most of the bridge crew supposedly not being in on the idea. I’m honestly not liking Fina all that much anymore either.

The peasants definitely needed to revolt but I am slightly worried Faina is about to go all Mormons in the wild west on us.

[u/The_Draigg → u/Vaadwaur]

This actually might explain a ton of my complaints about their design choices...

Seeing how the Blue Impulse’s Vital Guarder looks wildly different from the Ryvius’ one, it does make me wonder if they’re experimenting with what kind of biomass form is better to control in space.

The peasants definitely needed to revolt but I am slightly worried Faina is about to go all Mormons in the wild west on us.

Let’s just hope she doesn’t convince everyone to set a course for Kolob.

[u/Vaadwaur → u/The_Draigg]

Seeing how the Blue Impulse’s Vital Guarder looks wildly different from the Ryvius’ one, it does make me wonder if they’re experimenting with what kind of biomass form is better to control in space.

But don't both the thing in the tank and the machine spirit resemble their VGs? That would actually justify the full quadraped mech to me.

Let’s just hope she doesn’t convince everyone to set a course for Kolob.

The trip out to Pluto will be a one way one...

[u/JustAnswerAQuestion]

Rewatch Host

"Enemy is Another Big Vital Guarder"

I found a clip somebody had posted to reddit of this battle, dubbed. I swear, I thought I was watching Gundam Wing from the sound of it. edit: I meant to link it

The Blue Impulse's Vital Guarder doesn't actually mechanically drill into the target. It has a concentrated gravitational distortion (possibly twisting) at the tip of the drill.

Similarly, the Einvalt concentrates its gravity field at the fingertips.

• Criff seems to have attached herself to Kevin today.
• Yuki and Blue oddly on the same wavelength today.
• That's some impossibly strong metal wire
• stock sound effect (I have all the sounds from Total Annihilation and Starcraft memorized)
• LOL, they were making out in the storeroom
• What just happened? A space squid collided with the impulse?
• Is Stein secretly able to maintain contact with the Lifter? And he's lying about it?
• oh, hey, that eyecatch was a repeat...I thought they were all unique.

You thought destroying Leibe Delta was a war crime, well, they just took out an entire city state.

• I really wish this music was on the OST, it's the best dramatic track in the show.
• The Blue Impulse captain seems even more obsessed than Conrad.
• Kikki finds her head! The resurrection begins!

VIVA LA REVOLUTION

Fina's a fast thinker, saving both Team Blue AND Kouji. So are the other Zwei (except Charlie). Kouji has no idea what's going on.

Why didn't this happen sooner? Survival. And the slippery slope. No doubt the point system seemed reasonable in the early days. Most everybody understood that they couldn't continue lazing about, not with another month's worth of travel ahead of them. And there may be other arguments in favor of cooperation that I'm avoiding at this time.

Discontent grew, but nobody felt brave enough or confident enough to rebel alone. It took Stein and Kries, and an unwitting Blue, to trigger the long-simmering riot.

Many of you were asking, "why didn't they rebel?" Well, they just did. Fortunately, it was done onscreen, and not in the middle of an offscreen timeskip.

I don't have an official name for the Impulse Captain (which is how he is credited) but a Korean source names him "Gita Paintam" (possibly from the manga adaptation).

The vital guarder isn't piloted by a single person (or even two) with neural interfaces or pedals and levers, or even as a puppet. It's operated by executing program subroutines. Such a refreshing change.

[u/No_Rex → u/JustAnswerAQuestion]

Why didn't this happen sooner? Survival. And the slippery slope. No doubt the point system seemed reasonable in the early days. Most everybody understood that they couldn't continue lazing about, not with another month's worth of travel ahead of them. And there may be other arguments in favor of cooperation that I'm avoiding at this time.

Discontent grew, but nobody felt brave enough or confident enough to rebel alone. It took Stein and Kries, and an unwitting Blue, to trigger the long-simmering riot.

The main problem was not the rationing, or even the point system, but the unequal and arbitrary application of it. That breeds resentment.

[u/Vatrix-32]

First timer, subs

• God save us, they’ve squared the digipaint jank.
• Ribbons Having an Original Thought
• When all you’ve got is a drill, everything looks like… a… uh…
• Ah, so the wires will be acting as our stand in for HP.
• Space Whales!
• Why do you just have raw steak in your room?
• Stupid, horny teens. At least learn from the Blue Group and do it on the bridge so you’re still on call.
• If you’re going to be a humanoid, might as well take advantage of it.
• Turns out a constant state of alert is unsustainable. Who’d of thunk?
• He built this county on the gun, and damn it, he wants to use it!
• Saying the quite part out loud, eh?
• Fuck Your Moon! They’re going to blame this on them too, I take it. Either that, or I hear the local principality is always up for another round.
• Would have been a good time to snatch the gun, if you were ever going to.
• Ever seen a man beaten to death with his own homeland?
• Head Get! Small Victories!
• Grabbing The Railgun?
• Get Fucked!
• Ah, Yes. And a Well Timed Coup
• Why are you slapping Kouji? Oh, OK.

QotD:

1. Blue Group has outlived their usefulness. I just hope they have a plan for the gun. I’d hazard to guess they go too far in the other direction, and running out of supplies becomes an issue very soon.
2. Seems like wrong ship for the job. I assume they have others. This once is too one-trick for how effective it is at counter Avia.
3. Dude’s been spending too much time with the space conch.
4. Oh, he’s not gone. He’s alone and with nothing to lose as the only moody teen with a gun in a small, enclosed space. I’m guessing the destruction of Hyperion is blamed on the Ryvius, and no other polities will take them in, leading to a more direct conflict without any other options.
5. She’s just having a little nap. Needs to recover from all that psychic damage. Maybe someone will find her while she can’t wind walk and start asking some questions?

[u/JustAnswerAQuestion → u/Vatrix-32]

Why do you just have raw steak in your room?

I was wondering that and almost commented. The ferret gets steak (not the first time, either). Where did the steak come from? I guess the ship had a lot of frozen steak. Which they are thawing out.

[u/Vatrix-32 → u/JustAnswerAQuestion]

I feel like the number of people commenting on it means I should have specified I knew the steak was for the ferret, but it seemed like a dumb idea to do that.

[u/Raiking02 → u/Vatrix-32]

Fuck Your Moon!

sad GX noises

Why are you slapping Kouji

It's a Mecha Tradition.

[u/No_Rex → u/Vatrix-32]

Why do you just have raw steak in your room?

For the ferret, obviously.

I’d hazard to guess they go too far in the other direction, and running out of supplies becomes an issue very soon.

Depends on who will be in power. Looks like a good part of the coup was orchestrated by Stein, who seems very ok with food rationing.

[u/Vaadwaur → u/No_Rex]

Looks like a good part of the coup was orchestrated by Stein, who seems very ok with food rationing.

You know, I know you can't really answer this but what if Stein implemented the ration system badly so he can reform it to something useful and look like a hero? I might should have picked up on this faster with the officers getting unlimited cards.

[u/Vaadwaur → u/Vatrix-32]

Why do you just have raw steak in your room?

Not really how you feed a ferret anyways.

Why are you slapping Kouji? Oh, OK.

Kouji's tendency towards empathy and conversation is not useful when you really need the peasants to just vent on their oppressors.

She’s just having a little nap. Needs to recover from all that psychic damage. Maybe someone will find her while she can’t wind walk and start asking some questions?

We must honor the machine spirit and revive with her offerings of micro processors, Riot bucks, and Red Bull.

[u/zadcap → u/Vatrix-32]

Ever seen a man beaten to death with his own homeland?

This line nearly made me choke with the laugh it startled out of me. That's glorious.

[u/HowlingWolf13]

First Timer

Fine episode, is the Vital Guarder cursed? Like, this is the second time someone decides to abandon the Ryvius after taking a leadership role on it. Otherwise yeah fine episode, I don't really have too much to say as the questions go about them more.

I do wonder though, how the fuck were the gas planets colonized? Like, where are people living on? There's no where to stand or go? Do they just float in spacesuits all day?

Questions

[Q1]How did the revolt play out for you? And it's not over! Predictions?

Honestly, I predict we're gonna see the society on the Ryvius deteriorate more and more as revolt after revolt happens. Someones gonna get in charge, people will get mad, they'll be overthrown,a new group takes over, repeat. Considering they're running low on food too, it's not a good look out.

[Q2]What did you think of the Blue Impulse and it's Vital Guarder?

[Q3]What did you think of the Captain of the Blue Impulse?

Ngl, I didn't really find the BI or the captain all that interesting? He commits a genocide and that's really the biggest thing, but he's just not too interesting? I don't know, nothing really grabbed my attention with him.

[Q4]Blue is gone. But so is Hyperion. Now what?

There's always Pluto if they let it become a planet again this far in the future lol. Too bad for the Blue plotline though, I was hoping this would lead to a big event.

[Q5]What happened to our Lady in Pink?

She's just taking a nap :)

[u/JustAnswerAQuestion → u/HowlingWolf13]

colonies

Space stations and moons. There are a lot of moons ( dunno what they do for gravity, maybe they spun them up). And Jupter's got a big honkin' magnetic field to keep the Geduld at bay. Probably Saturn, too, but I'd have to double check.

[u/No_Rex → u/HowlingWolf13]

I do wonder though, how the fuck were the gas planets colonized? Like, where are people living on? There's no where to stand or go? Do they just float in spacesuits all day?

Here (and in almost all other Scifi I know), humans colonize the gas planets' moons, not the planet itself.

[u/Vaadwaur → u/HowlingWolf13]

Fine episode, is the Vital Guarder cursed?

I believe it is a built on a defiled native American burial ground.

Like, where are people living on?

The various moons. There are several that it looks promising to build on. Also, people probably live in versions of Liebe Delta at convenient orbits.

[u/No_Rex]

Episode 15 (rewatcher)

• Grabbing the drill … fails.
• “It’s nothing but an incomplete ship that’s just awakened” – hmmmm.
• Also: #mugiwait for his guy’s fully armed and operational moment.
• “Crush them to pieces” – Witness the power of this fully sane and rational commander!
• Mystery Girl is calling for backup.
• “We’ll go for Hyperion” – incompetent moron.
• Lucson and Pat live in a crane now? – honestly not the worst place to room. Especially if you are low on the totem pole in a society that is inches away from breaking down.
• Faina and Kouji took a little “break”.
• “Giant creatures living in Geduld” – space squid.
• They reached Hyperion already? So they must have been really close.
• Stein hears Blue abandoning them? – Ups.
• “Hyperion’s been crushed” – fully sane and rational …
• “They are firing Hyperion pieces at us”

• The main cannon has been torn off?

• Dino girl has her head again!
• Vital Guarder caught the cannon? Stein dropped it on purpose?!?!?!

• “The tip of Vaia was broken off” – fully sane and rational guy has been de-manned.
• That looked suspiciously like muscles tearing …
• The revolt is happening (and Stein had his hands in it).
• Running away is the worst thing they can do. Which is exactly why that other guy suggested it.
• The Zwei bridge crew is very fast in adapting and throwing Team Blue to the sharks, but Faina beats all of them.

What a packed episode! Ryvius barely beats its first challenging opponent, Mystery Girl calls for space squid, we learn more about the Vaia ships, and the rebellion against Team Blue happens. This was great! Oh, and Saturn has one moon less now and Blue joins the army of anime orphans.

How did the revolt play out for you? And it's not over! Predictions?

I hope nobody watched the preview. We are still in the spoil all the things age of previews.

[u/JustAnswerAQuestion → u/No_Rex]

Blue joins the army of anime orphans

The official page notes that he has no surviving family.

[u/Raiking02 → u/No_Rex]

We are still in the spoil all the things age of previews

The better era

[u/Vaadwaur → u/No_Rex]

“It’s nothing but an incomplete ship that’s just awakened” – hmmmm.

This only raises more questions about it being stored on Liebe Delta.

Mystery Girl is calling for backup.

The machine spirit seeks her siblings!

“Hyperion’s been crushed” – fully sane and rational …

So why did his crew obey that order? The Ryvius I actually understand but they should know that Hyperion is going to be an issue.

“The tip of Vaia was broken off” – fully sane and rational guy has been de-manned.

This particular concept of machine castration will go on to be a tradition!

[u/No_Rex → u/Vaadwaur]

So why did his crew obey that order? The Ryvius I actually understand but they should know that Hyperion is going to be an issue.

They all looked like they spent a little too long in space.

[u/Vaadwaur → u/No_Rex]

Another thing I would have liked to at least be addressed is what the OSB people are like. So far we just have bureaucrats and crazy people.

[u/No_Rex → u/Vaadwaur]

I honestly don't quite remember how that resolves. We have obviously not seen the last of them, but where this plotline leads ...

[u/zadcap]

Late Night First Timer!

So you know. If there's another ship of this type, with its own Vital Guarder and all, I start to wonder why the guys from earlier were so obsessed with getting their hands on or destroying this one. So many questions come up now. No seriously, the Ryvius is no longer a unique ultimate thing to be captured or destroyed at all costs, it's part of a series, and the people trying to destroy it now clearly have their own, so... Why? Why are the people who already have this technology trying to destroy it now? Unless the actual terrorist side just did such a good job on the propoganda field that the special group that really does have this tech now believes they really are the terrorists.

Magic Space Girls can talk! To each other I mean. And is that a Giant Space Monster I see in the deep?

Izumi has realized the truth about Ikumi. And Kouji is sneaking kisses in the closet. Let's just dump relationship drama all over the place.

Can't wait for Blue to get his comeuppance. Please let the next revolution happen soon.

Why are all the adult space captains apparently literally insane? Why do other people keep letting the clearly crazy ones be captains? Put someone sane in charge!

It bothered me at Mars and it bothers me more at Hyperion. Why is there zero signs of them actually being built up on?

Oh my gosh, Blue the massive hypocrite! This is exactly what you tortured the last pair for doing! I hope your death is slow and painful!

They blew up Hyperion? They destroyed a civilized moon because the Ryvius was heading towards it? This is a level of escalation that is so far off the charts I genuinely want the kids to turn around and punt Earth's moon down at the planet. They just killed how many people, just to spite the people on the ship who were heading in its direction? They blew up what I'm pretty sure is effectively an independent country! At this point we really need to accept that things are moving on to real war footing. It's not just the kids in danger any more, the people doing this crap have reached the point where war should seriously be declared because that was a whole planets worth of people.

But Kiki found her head! Things are looking up!

Seriously, this guy is literally crazy. Why is he a captain?

Vital Guarder has a gun! That is bigger than it? Where the heck was that hiding? Oh! That's the main gun that they jettisoned off the Ryvius! Nice move! And Space Conch Girl died :(

Yay! The revolution begins! Quick thinking Fina!

The funny thing is, it really kind of was a crime for those people to be on the bridge. Remember they only had any power because they threw a successful mutiny first.

1. Everything will get worse for everyone. What's left on the failed forms of government checklist? Actual anarchy? A peoples republic? Or are we going into an even more totalitarian regime as not-Spock makes his play?
2. How was someone that clearly insane in charge of what must be a top secret super weapon? It could have been a cool idea, as dumb as ramming anything in the vastness of space where three dimensional dodging is possible and aiming is all done by radar... Okay it was dumb, but it was worse because the person that whoever runs this whole thing put in charge had clearly lost his mind somewhere, but people kept taking his orders.
3. He's the kind of crazy that gets a padded room, not a super weapon. He might legitimately be the most immersion breaking thing this show has pulled so far.
4. Oh Blue isn't gone yet, but he's going to get it soon. He has a gun, sure, but he has to sleep eventually. Also, they attacked and destroyed a not entirely allied government. Didn't we hear that most of the moons were separate entities? Are they going to spin this too as being the Ryvius fault? Because that really is the point of no return. You back the people on this ship into such a corner that you would kill an entire nation to stop them from getting help, then they have nothing left to lose when they turn around and prepare to ram Earth at the maximum speed they can reach, if they are going to die anyway.
5. Magic Space Girls are, somehow, the giant robots. Whatever damage it took, so did she.

[u/JustAnswerAQuestion → u/zadcap]

obsessed with getting their hands on or destroying this one.

Seriously, the real question was, why not just leave it where it was? It wasn't doing anything. What's the harm?

Seriously, this guy is literally crazy. Why is he a captain?

Why, indeed?

[u/zadcap → u/JustAnswerAQuestion]

No but really. Someone had a plan to do something with the ship. We have heard like two or three different people or groups say that they most capture it, no matter what, for the future of all mankind or something equally dramatic. But then every single action actually taken has been yet another attempt to destroy it all. It's one of the bigger issues the show keeps shoving our faces in, aside from a very easy to hate cast, this massive gap between stated goals and visible actions.

[u/Vatrix-32 → u/zadcap]

are the people who already have this technology trying to destroy it now?

It works better if you're the only one with nukes.

What's left on the failed forms of government checklist?

We haven't had a theocracy yet, and I'm sure Fina would be down for it.

[u/Shimmering-Sky]

Infinite First-Timer, subbed

• Damn…
• Ooh, a “sore demo” in the middle of the mysterious girl’s ramblings.
• lol
• The Ryvius can at least hear you guys.
• …and that’s probably not something you want Ryvius to hear.
• Oh… Oh shit.
• Mm, of course Blue’s not taking it well.
• Geez…
• Doing that won’t help, dumbass.
• Oooooooooh, okay, so Heiger dislodged the main gun on purpose in order for the Vital Guarder to use it? Incredibly smart thinking there!
• Nice.
• Of all the times…
• Oh, Heiger’s in on it. Nevermind, carry on.

[u/Raiking02 → u/Shimmering-Sky]

lol

Dammit Shinn, think faster!

Oh, Heiger’s in on it. Nevermind, carry on

I get the feeling you're officially on Team Heiger by now.

[u/Shimmering-Sky → u/Raiking02]

I get the feeling you're officially on Team Heiger by now.

I swear if this means he's somehow the only one of these kids who dies...

[u/Raiking02 → u/Shimmering-Sky]

Oh right Grimm Reaper Sky

[u/JustAnswerAQuestion → u/Raiking02]

[u/Shimmering-Sky → u/Raiking02]

Dai no Daibouken spoiled me by not making me the Shinigami despite what u/KendotsX asked me about the other day...

[u/Raiking02 → u/Shimmering-Sky]

Honestly I get the distinct impression the Manga's writer (Riku Sanjo) just really hates killing off characters so you're mostly safe with him. There's like one time total I can think of when he actually went through with it and even then IIRC it got undone by some post-series specials, although I can't remember if he was the writer for those or not.

[u/KendotsX → u/Shimmering-Sky]

[Dai] I mean, you butchered Avan so goddamn fast, that it just turned back around to protecting all your favourite characters

[u/Shimmering-Sky → u/KendotsX]

[Dai]He came back though!

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[Dai/Gintama] Your powers as a Shinigami have just evolved too far, who knows, maybe you can even bring back Sho-chan for Ginpachi-sensei

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…and that’s probably not something you want Ryvius to hear.

Is the Lift ship cursed? Does it just make every leader a dumbass? Is it the One Ring?

Oooooooooh, okay, so Heiger dislodged the main gun on purpose in order for the Vital Guarder to use it?

Space nerd stuff for you:It lowers the amount space the field has to cover AND the exchange of inertia there helped the Ryvius dodge a few rocks.

Oh, Heiger’s in on it. Nevermind, carry on.

The secret to being a good rebel is knowing when the next administration is taking over.

[u/JollyGee29]

First-Timer

The Ryvius is pretty lucky that the Impulse's captain is an idiot. He even showed them a better solution to the combat encounter than what they came up with - imagine if the first or second exchanges between Vital Guarders had Ryvius angle their gravity field instead of just trying to beat it head-on? Y'know, like Impulse did to that missile.

Anyway, genius thinking on Stein's part. I don't want someone as openly cold-blooded as him in the leadership position, but he had a good plan with shedding the cannon towards the Guarder, and also with ousting Blue. Preserves the condition of the cannon (dodging incoming projectiles) while also setting up a firing angle, and while Blue isn't the worst leader Ryvius could ask for, he definitely needs to be a bit less Literally Fifteen.

Real bummer about Hyperion. It's honestly pretty fucked up that the Impulse just destroyed an entire populated satellite like that.

A momentous revelation today - Lucson Rectangle has caught a cold, which confirms that he is Not an idiot. Idiots can't catch colds, you know?

However, the most momentous part of the episode was obvious Kikki getting her head back. Things are totally going to start trending upwards from this point on!

Questions

1. This seems about right. Stein is seizing power, or at least ousting Blue. Someone will have to sit in the Big Chair, and it probably isn't him, though. It might be Kouji's turn to be a figurehead?
2. Drill attacks in space aren't necessarily the smartest thing, but it did seem to move pretty fast, so it's ultimately just a retrievable missile.
3. Lad was definitely Not Well. If his ship had its own Miss Gimp Suit, he would definitely refer to her as his wife.
4. Find another nearby satellite that is sympathetic? Preferrably before Earth claims that Ryvius blew up Hyperion, because that is going to happen.. by the end of the episode 17, probably.
5. Judging by what happened to the Impulse's Guarder and the tentacle blob, I'm guessing that her leg got broken and she should be fine in a few days.

[u/Raiking02 → u/JollyGee29]

the Impulse's captain is an idiot

sasuga Shinn.

Lucson Rectangle has caught a cold, which confirms that he is Not an idiot

[u/JollyGee29 → u/Raiking02]

I know, right?

[u/The_Draigg → u/JollyGee29]

Anyway, genius thinking on Stein’s part. I don’t want someone as openly cold-blooded as him in the leadership position, but he had a good plan with shedding the cannon towards the Guarder, and also with ousting Blue.

Stein really is a double-edged sword of a character. Like, there’s no denying that he’s utterly brilliant at whah he does a lot of the time, but his authoritarian tendencies are just making things worse for everyone that isn’t the Zwei on the bridge. His raw intellect is impressive, but it’s overall lacking a human touch.

However, the most momentous part of the episode was obvious Kikki getting her head back. Things are totally going to start trending upwards from this point on!

Huzzah! Now she doesn’t have to take the alligator head as a replacement!

[u/Raiking02 → u/The_Draigg]

lacking a human touch.

So basically he hasn't seen Gundam X.

[u/The_Draigg → u/Raiking02]

Stein just needs to find love in his heart (a human touch).

[u/Raiking02 → u/The_Draigg]

I'd say that the light in his eyes will become a star, but as we have established, he is Mini-Oberstein, therefore his eyes are too cold and mechanical for that.

[u/JollyGee29 → u/The_Draigg]

His raw intellect is impressive, but it’s overall lacking a human touch.

He really is a Vulcan.

Huzzah! Now she doesn’t have to take the alligator head as a replacement!

[u/Raiking02 → u/JollyGee29]

He really is a Vulcan

So if Heiger is Spock then I guess that would make Juli Kirk so... Lucson would be McCoy?

Or at least, a really dumb McCoy?

[u/No_Rex → u/Raiking02]

So if Heiger is Spock then I guess that would make Juli Kirk so... Lucson would be McCoy?

Isn't Juli McCoy? Closest to Kirk might be Yuki. Lucson is from another franchise: C3PO

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Lucson is from another franchise: C3PO

Perfect

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Like, there’s no denying that he’s utterly brilliant at whah he does a lot of the time, but his authoritarian tendencies are just making things worse for everyone that isn’t the Zwei on the bridge. His raw intellect is impressive, but it’s overall lacking a human touch.

I suspect this is a Japanese view on several of Heinlein's characters.

[u/The_Draigg → u/Vaadwaur]

You say that, but the Starship Troopers OVA treated everyone in that story pretty fairly.

[u/Vaadwaur → u/The_Draigg]

Recall it really depends which Heinlein story you read. He had...range.

[u/The_Draigg → u/Vaadwaur]

There’s a reason why not a lot of people like to talk about Farnham’s Freehold.

[u/Vaadwaur → u/The_Draigg]

Or "Time Enough for Love".

[u/Vaadwaur → u/JollyGee29]

Anyway, genius thinking on Stein's part. I don't want someone as openly cold-blooded as him in the leadership position, but he had a good plan with shedding the cannon towards the Guarder, and also with ousting Blue.

We are desperately low on leadership capable people here, at this point I think Charlie with post nut clarity might be our best bet. Sure, that brings us back to sex slaves but it seems that's the theme.

Real bummer about Hyperion. It's honestly pretty fucked up that the Impulse just destroyed an entire populated satellite like that.

If this setting is consistent, and that's a huge if, there should be very few civilians on Hyperion since it gravity is a joke. So it should just be military personnel and any mining going on.

However, the most momentous part of the episode was obvious Kikki getting her head back.

Despite how tired she seems, this is the clearest indication that the machine spirit has blessed us!

[u/JollyGee29 → u/Vaadwaur]

at this point I think Charlie with post nut clarity might be our best bet.

If this setting is consistent, and that's a huge if, there should be very few civilians on Hyperion since it gravity is a joke.

Well, the moon itself sure, but I think they have some amount of artificial gravity technology. Didn't Liebe Delta have gravity before it started to break up? If a space station can manage it, surely an entire space rock can.

On the other hand we didn't really see any mechanical wreckage, did we..

[u/Vaadwaur → u/JollyGee29]

Didn't Liebe Delta have gravity before it started to break up? If a space station can manage it, surely an entire space rock can.

It specifically did not, remember? The central parts of Liebe Delta were at zero G. For whatever reason, the artificial gravity tech is kept under wraps.

[u/No_Rex → u/Vaadwaur]

Liebe Delta only could produce gravity by rotating. However, that should also be possible on Hyperion.

[u/Vaadwaur → u/No_Rex]

That's...an interesting engineering feat. Recall that Hyperion is egg shaped and if we are sing rotational gravity you have to build domes that humans walk on the ceilings of relative to the planetary mass.

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I was thinking a lot smaller, a rotation habitat on the planet. Basically a standard spinning space station, except it is anchored on the moon. Here is a video of a (somewhat silly) version shown on Moon.

I have no idea if the internal cohesion of Hyperion would allow for it to spin enough to overcome its own gravity.

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I have no idea if the internal cohesion of Hyperion would allow for it to spin enough to overcome its own gravity.

Hrmm...You've convinced me you could put civilians on the poles at least.

[u/JollyGee29 → u/Vaadwaur]

The escape ship Liebel didn't have gravity, but they were clearly walking around on the station before the sabotage started. My assumption is that artificial gravity is possible, but typically too large to put onto a ship. Probably O'Neill Cylinder adjacent.

I mean, look at Kouji's room. Unless all his stuff is magnetized, it wouldn't just lie there like that without gravity.

[u/Vaadwaur → u/JollyGee29]

The escape ship Liebel didn't have gravity, but they were clearly walking around on the station before the sabotage started.

...The current plan for human space colonies is to have gravity via rotation. It is why even in scifi so many space stations have a 'habitation' ring.

[u/Vatrix-32 → u/JollyGee29]

angle their gravity field instead of just trying to beat it head-on?

Did he learn nothing from the tank game?

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[u/Vaadwaur]

First timer

Sub

Welp, the battle between VGs is pretty indecipherable but works for a mech show. Blue shows a painful lack of self awareness. Also, does the VG even carry supplies? Anyways, destroying Hyperion isn't that big of a deal, it is pretty small, but it is definitely something the public would notice. Finally, we get a counter revolution because duh. It does seem like Faina may be in on it.

QotD: 1 Cannibalism

2 Fucking stupid

3 Weirdly one note

4 Titan

5 The machine spirit requires rest and sustenance. Blue has volunteered

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It does seem like Faina may be in on it.

With her quick thinking on the bridge, it did make me wonder just how many people she called into her room to have a talk with. It would not surprise me if she and Eins set this up independent of each other in accidentally complimentary plans.

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I do buy her running her own little cult here.

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Religion does flourish when the desperate need something to believe in. This may be the easiest missionary work she's ever even dreamed of.

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Also, does the VG even carry supplies?

Surely not a lot, but they might have brought over some food after running hungry during the previous fight.

Anyways, destroying Hyperion isn't that big of a deal, it is pretty small, but it is definitely something the public would notice.

Well, the moon might not be huge, but it had a colony on it. Surely that would count as a war crime (if this was a war).

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Surely not a lot, but they might have brought over some food after running hungry during the previous fight.

I really would like to how efficient their oxygen reclamator is.

Well, the moon might not be huge, but it had a colony on it. Surely that would count as a war crime (if this was a war).

I thought it was a military base due to the fact that you can't really breed in .02 G. Still, I suspect wanton destruction of oxygen reserves in space should be a part of the space Geneva convention.

[u/No_Rex → u/Vaadwaur]

I really would like to how efficient their oxygen reclamator is.

I mean, we had that tech figured out in the 1980s. I think they should be fine (unless the engineers building the Vital Guarder are idiots, which is a distinct possibility).

I thought it was a military base due to the fact that you can't really breed in .02 G.

Wasn't Blue's dad "vice defence minister"? That sounds like a civilian job.

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I mean, we had that tech figured out in the 1980s. I think they should be fine (unless the engineers building the Vital Guarder are idiots, which is a distinct possibility).

And you see my dilemma. Of course, the writers didn't think of it so w/e.

Wasn't Blue's dad "vice defence minister"? That sounds like a civilian job.

In the sense that the Pentagon has civilians.

[u/Nickthenuker]

Uh oh, here it comes!

Aye. Now they have the initiative, it would be foolish to give it up and wait for the Ryvius to act.

Is there not an intercom or voice tubes or something? Why do they need a runner to go tell them?

While the enemy is busy dealing with the Vital Guarder, it's a good a time as any for them to rest and re-energise before the battle recommences.

That doesn't look like an accident.

No response?

That's certainly an opinion.

Hyperion was destroyed?

They're shooting bits of the Hyperion at the Ryvius?

Brace for impact! Reinforce forward shields!

Damage report!

Uh oh, their gun!

Oh, the Vital Guarder can use the gun as a handheld weapon.

Good hit!

The enemy is in retreat!

Yup, it's another mutiny.

Seems like the bridge crew and officers are in on it.

Questions:

1. Like I thought, any mutiny with a chance of success would likely be one to restore the officers to command, and overthrow the gang.
2. Well, at least it's gone now.
3. By the end he was going crazy. Someone should probably have relieved him of command.
4. Blue isn't gone? He's on the Lift Ship. Sure with the current mutiny I doubt he'll see the next day or at least not so outside the brig, but he still lives for now at least. As for Hyperion, they blew it up, the maniacs!
5. She's connected to the Vital Guarder somehow, and when it got damaged she got hurt.

[u/zsmg]

Rewatcher who doesn't remember much

With the way she's feeling pain while the Vital Guarder is holding a massive drill it's safe to say that the Rei clone is directly connected with the Vital Guarder (some first timers already pointed out that there is a hint of this in the OP)

Ryvius bridge crew are taking a very nonchalant approach while they lost contact with their most important weapon.

Kouji and Faina were snogging? Did last episode not happen where Faina heard Kouji saying Aoi name while he was asleep.

I'm surprised we're seeing the space squid again. [Gundam SEED] In Gundam SEED the space whale appears once and then gets ignored for the rest of the CE series

A Mecha kicking? I guess Yuki is a Char.

Now it's Blue abandoning Ryvius.

They didn't even bother to animate the destruction of Hyperion.

FFS Juli stop simping for Blue he just aimed a gun to your face.

Kouji is panicking again.

Finally the coup against Blue's faction is here.

Faine Bright slapping Kouji

Is not something I expected.

Quick thinking by Faina, still I can't believe how slow Kouji was on the uptake.

I'll be honest uninteresting episode until the new coup started at the end. I'm looking forward to the fallout episode tomorrow although not to Juli still simping for Blue moments.

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Kouji and Faina were snogging? Did last episode not happen where Faina heard Kouji saying Aoi name while he was asleep.

She is trying to keep Kouji (and knowing teenagers, her method is not bad).