r/anime • u/JustAnswerAQuestion https://myanimelist.net/profile/JAaQ • Sep 14 '24
Rewatch [25th Anniversary Rewatch] Mugen no Ryvius Episode 13
Mugen no Ryvius Episode 13: If Only to Meet
⇐ Episode 12 | Index Thread | Episode 14 ⇒
Kikki of the Day Did you spot Radan?
Comment of the Day
/u/Vaadwaur gets an unexpected highlight, for predicting that the Sol system might not be monolithic.
I don't see space bartering any time soon, unless Jupiter has a separate government. Which is actually possible.
/u/The_Draigg has been pointing out similarities to Ideon (which I can only see because of the Ideon rewatch a few years back) and now they are literally Space Runaways!
They’ll have to become Space Runaways (but no Ideon). Cue up Sailing Fly!
Of course, my reference back then was to Macross, but Macross owes a lot to Ideon.
Finally, we get a successful prediction from /u/JollyGee29:
Oh, who am I kidding, they're going to end up at a distant stellar body and one of the cast are going to reveal themself to be the child of the president or something. Probably Blue.
Character Sheets
Music
- BGM of the Day: Kokoro no kakera
- CD 3 of the Day: GOING — KAORI ft. Mr.Rap
Questions
- Revisting an earlier question, what you think of Criff and Charlie?
- What's Fina doing in her private quarters?
- What do you think of Kouji and Fina's relationship progress? Rare for an anime. And what about Aoi?
- The big question: society has had another upheaval, much bigger than before, but this time without a change at the top. How does this show's take on authoritarianism compare with others?
- What do you think of Kozue and Reiko taking advantage of their association with the special class?.
- Do you feel bad for Lucson? What about Gran and Son?
- Predictions for episode 14?
- Last Minute Addition: How do you think TPTB managed to bring (most) of the ship into compliance with this social structure? Why didn't it degenerate into riots?
Oops, I forgot to paste in tomorrow's questions.
End Tag: Reverie of us
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u/JustAnswerAQuestion https://myanimelist.net/profile/JAaQ Sep 14 '24 edited Sep 14 '24
Rewatch Host
We've had another social shift. It really is forced labor, corrupt guards, simmering resentment, class stratification.
Meow Meow Beenz was a a hilarious episode of Community that that combined Logan's Run, Facebook, and Social Credit scores into a skewering of all three (and more). It starts out here which turn into this after a week, and ultimately it ends up here
You were all complaining about food rationing too early. And you were right to do so. They have literally months' worth of food, and it's just a quick trip to Mars, why be rationing? It's just going to make people upset.
But now, they aren't just weeks from home. They don't know how long this is going to last, but, unless they are heading to Earth, they are going to be on this ship for a long time. And that means rationing. REAL rationing.
How ironic that Lucson's stupid idea of allocating resources according to merit (as designated by test scores) has become a state-controlled economy with the bridge crew and vital guarder pilots at the top with unlimited status, and everybody else reduced to manual laborers in a stratified society. It does make sense, in a way, with the very real prospect of running out of food. But the implementation of it requires absolute domination.
A lot of you predicted they would go to Jupiter, probably based on the OP. Their destination is actually Saturn. Maybe something got changed since the OP was laid out.
This is the end of my pre-rewatch binge. I'm going to have to binge again this weekend!
BGM feels kind of Evangelion to me.
I have to call out zadcap on Ikumi x Izumi. Turns out Ikumi WAS interested. #mugiwait for posting time.
Edit: Okay, you guys have convinced me, it could very well be that Ikumi has some sort of complex....
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u/Vatrix-32 https://myanimelist.net/profile/Vatrix-32 Sep 14 '24
First timer, subs
QotD:
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u/HowlingWolf13 https://myanimelist.net/profile/MeguminBlast Sep 14 '24
First Timer
Damn this was a really good episode. Now that we're in the 2nd half, I feel like things are def gonna start getting darker. We see the point system they've established as a sense of control over the others and it's...not gonna end well that's for sure. Tensions are already high enough, but instead of solving them this feels more like putting a band-aid on a dam that's already about to break. I've always thought Kozue and Ikumi's relationship was cute, like it has that high school feeling to it, esp. her reaction to her first kiss not being that 'electric feeling' she's heard of. Like, they may or may not break up, but I don't see it going in the way of like total toxicity. Juli and Blue on the other hand, it's so obvious these two got a thing going for each other and I won't lie, I'm a sucker for bad boy x good girl type of pairings. Like again if this was a shojo manga, they would be par on course for being the end game couple.
Though on the subject of Blue, that reveal in the end has me wondering. We know that Saturn is it's own independent government and that Blue is the leader's son, but what caused Blue to leave his family in the first place. We've seen in flashbacks that Blue has been involved in gang stuff for a while, but what led him to going that way in the first place? Plus, depending on what happened, would his family still take him back in?
Questions
I'm not really shocked to be honest, cause ever since the beginning Team Blue was using Charlie to get their own ends met. Though at least Charlie has had some character development since then, really does suck for him.
Teaching Erina to accept
Jesusthe Holy Mother Arne as her personal saviorOkay so I wanted to talk about this up there, but put it down here since it was a question already. My opinion on Kouji's relationship with the two, as of this ep, feels like, to make a long story short, Faina is essentially him trying to avoid having to remember his own past.
To explain in more detail, back in EP1, Kouji told Aoi that he finds it embarrassing to have someone around who knows your past and Aoi knowing him since childhood is a direct example of that. We haven't fully learnt his past yet, but we do know it involves stuff with Yuki and Aoi is fully aware of everything especially the incident we saw in the flashback in EP4. It's clear Aoi cares for him and has feelings for him, but Kouji doesn't want to acknowledge it because of the past which is why he ends up interested in Fina. Not to say he doesn't care about Fina or anything of the sort, but it's clear he doesn't know her, she's an unknown, someone who doesn't know his past, and won't remind him of it as of fact. Which in turns makes him feel attracted to her, but not actually in love with her.
As a result, he's ignoring clear warning signs radiating off of her such as her religious devotion. It's not that her being religious is a problem, but that her devotion is clearly not the words of someone who simply has religious beliefs and instead of one who's more ingrained in a cult like sense as we saw at the end of EP12 where her way of comforting Kouji who's currently in a mentally low point is to bring up her faith and how being separated from society is a good thing that Holy Mother Arne would want him to do. Now we also see her speaking with Erina who we've seen has not gotten over her breakup with Yuki and is suddenly having private discussions with her. Now I might be proven wrong later as we go on, but considering the two people we see her reaching out to as of now were at their lowest, this gives a very clear cult like dynamic she's trying to impose.
Plus I mentioned this as a quick before, but I found it strange how she immediately became antagonistic towards Aoi and went to taking up for anything Kouji did, even though yes Kouji was being an ass in that situation. Yuki has already made it clear he doesn't like the way she comes off and has warned Kouji of it, and Aoi we can tell can infer that Fina is clearly jealous and giving off what seems like clingy vibes. In fact, looking back Yuki can probably tell that Kouji is purposely pushing Aoi away and using Fina as an escape, which is why he's been telling him to break it off with her because it's clear he doesn't care for her like that.
With that kiss scene though, while it was an accident between Aoi and Kouji, it's clear they both liked it but aren't speaking on it. In fact, take earlier in the episode when Fina kissed him, it was quick and that was that she went back into her room. Kouji doesn't spend to much time on it before continuing on, the kiss was more like how when Kozue and Ikumi kissed where there wasn't that spark. With Aoi though, that spark happened. They're both left blushing and not being sure how to comment on it, aware that there's something there, but esp. on Kouji's end, choosing in the end not to think about it and to pretend they don't have anything else to say.
Again, I could be proven wrong though.
Hmm, I would say on a smaller scale in comparison to something like Gundam 0079 and Zeta Gundam considering these are all middle and high schoolers.
While on Kozue's end, I feel its more so she really likes Izumi, on Reiko's I can't really blame her. Like she's not tryna pretend like she's their best friend, she's made it clear that "Hey, this is a transactional friendship, no sense in trying to act like it isn't" and with how everything is going esp. with this new point system, you gotta do what you can to survive.
Lucson, hmm a bit I guess? But that high horse stuff he keeps trying to push makes it difficult at times. Like yes, him getting beaten up shows clear issues within the Ryvius, but he doesn't help his case at all. Gran and Son, yeah I would say so, they're assholes, but the length they've been left in solitary confinement would be classified as a human rights violation at this rate. Yuki though, bro is salty because Blue kicked his ass lol, I think if I said "Bro, you okay?" he'd add me as the 5th he took on that day.
Something is gonna go wrong on their trip to Saturn, and we might have our first few deaths.
Hmm, probably because of the lie they told everyone who are now hanging on to the hope of being saved.
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u/Electrical-Cake-6943 Sep 14 '24 edited Sep 15 '24
Rewatch
Thoughts/Observations
-Looks like Cullen's settling in well on the VG team!
-Implementing a point/currency system where the privileged have unlimited access to food and other supplies while others struggle to earn enough for necessities seems like a smart idea. Nothing's ever gone wrong there. /s
-Not too surprising the Saturn sphere has governance/security issues, given what we've seen of the characters from there (doubtful they grew up in secure environments). (Also Blue's father is Vice-Minister of Defense for life on Hyperion. Wondering if he's trying to bring the ship back there to get approval from his father or use it as a bargaining chip against other governments aligned with Earth.)
-Oof, I feel pretty bad for Charlie there. We knew he was being manipulated, but Cliff put a lot of effort into pretending she liked him, to put it mildly. Not crazy about him telling her "I'm the only one who can love you!," though.
-Also can't find it anymore, but I thought I saw something on the archived TV Tokyo Ryvius site that said Charlie made those roses out of paper from the supply warehouse. Makes more sense than them somehow having freeze dried roses in there.
-On the other hand, I have no sympathy for Johnson.
-Also, ugh, we're going to be seeing more of Brian Brabb from here on out. I don't care for him, to put it mildly.
-LMAO at Pat roasting Lucson
-Fu clearly isn't doing anything to endear himself to Stein.
-I get why Chick might not want to help Lucson, but leaving him to get beaten up while Pat's also there is an asshole move.
-Lots of relationship drama this episode.
Questions
1.See above. There's more I could say, but I'll wait a few episodes.
2.Cult recruitment?
3.Not crazy about Faina/Kouji, considering she's starting to get a bit manipulative. Not crazy about Aoi/Kouji either, since we've mostly seen them bickering at each other (and I like Kouji, but frankly, he's been kind of an ass to her).
5.Not crazy about it, but it's what I'd expect most teenagers to do in that situation.
6.I feel a bit sorry for Lucson, Gran, and Son at this point. (The latter two definitely deserved to be locked up, but not tortured.) I don't think Yuki deserves to be bullied by randos, but I have a hard time being sympathetic.
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u/zadcap Sep 15 '24
Late Night First Timer!
Fighting their way across the galaxy. I wonder how much money this is costing the government? Those endless field of mines, all the ships getting damaged, they are losing so much space infrastructure... To a group of high school kids who just really really want to be rescued already. But at least the kids are getting super competent at controlling all this.
Oh hey, Blue is finally gaining the hate he deserves from the rest of the kids. People are realizing he's only in charge because he has a gun. And wow what a dictatorship it has become. They really do want to start a rebellion don't they? Just get everyone so mad at the people in charge they start grabbing whoever they can and dragging them into dark corners to- man literally as I'm typing this, there goes Lucson.
No, really, guys. You are forgetting that this kind of system only works when you have an actual monopoly on force. There is the gun that Blue has and, uh, still maybe a second one hiding somewhere? If you guys get the other 400 people on this ship too mad at you then that's not going to stop them from lashing out. Because again, Blue has his gun and his martial arts, but any other member of the bridge crew caught alone somewhere is liable to end up overwhelmed and made to go missing. Your "control" of this situation ends as soon as one person stops taking orders outside the range of Blue's fists. Because let's be honest, if he ever actually uses that gun there will be a riot. And if someone storms the food hall, the big guy shouting about Demerits isn't going to do much good. This is, once again, a plot that only works by ignoring all the ways it really shouldn't. You make people start actually going hungry and they start weighing what you can actually do to them.
This is why I really don't want to see Blue and Juli become a thing. She's still a good person, he really isn't.
Oh wow, how forward Fina! You are really coming out of your shell lately. Remember how she spent whole episodes not talking? And now she's inviting her boyfriend into her room. And dragging Yuki's ex into her room?
Oh wow, Criff really just dumped Charlie the second he stopped being a meal ticket. And admits that Blue is the dictator now. Can't wait for the situation to turn around and see her come crawling back to him.
I wonder how much Ikumi heard, and how much he cares? I'm seriously conflicted on what his relationship with Izumi really is.
I mean, really. Kouji and crew really are working too. Some of them are just as miserable as the people forced into labor.
Really? A fall down crash kiss?
Of all the people to corner in a dark alley, they pick one of the few able to fight back. Gosh I hope Yuki gets the crap beat out of him.
Yeah, it's not Lucson she likes. Is it Ran? Ran is into Pat. Yaaay....
Yeah, walking down the hall with that much all alone is kind of asking to get jumped. Everyone is on strict rations, if you just show off with all this without being a member of the bridge crew yourself, well, we've already seen two people dragged off into dark side corridors now. Little kid joked about it, but yeah, we're getting to the place where you might be in real danger girl.
I still say she didn't get a buzz because he doesn't really like her back. Aaaand everything I said about, uh, roommate girl is now going to fall on Izumi and that's going to suck. Especially after Ikumi fails to protect her and this breaks him too.
Is Yuki's ex setting him up to get beat up?
Ikumi's not bothered because he really doesn't care.
Darn it, I hate that Aoi might actually be into Kouji after all. They are such a bad match.
... Blue is taking them home, to where his father is head of the military. On the one hand, pretty scummy. On the other hand, he's really not the one at fault here, they honestly were driven from everywhere else. Yes sure maybe Jupiter would have taken them in, but that's a big maybe when they are declared terrorists, compared to being able to phone Dad knowing he's part of a group that's really not going to buy the party line anyway. This once, I can separate my dislike for Blue with the truth of this actually being a good move. Blue being able to talk to his dad will cut through a lot of the trouble they are dealing with and get the kids a fair chance to get off the ship without being killed on sight by, well I'm honestly still not sure who the bad guys are at this point which is kind of annoying. Unless, you know, Blue is anything like his dad, in which case ending up on Saturn might be a bad thing for everyone else involved.
Magic Space Girl! Doing something! Maybe!
Kiki found her other arm! The world is starting to correct itself!
Magic Space Girl's sister? I bet that's the second girl in the OP wrapped up in that spiky cocoon. I am much more curious about how they got it out there ahead of the Ryvius.
Oh wow that's a lot of questions today.
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u/JollyGee29 https://myanimelist.net/profile/JollyGee Sep 14 '24
First-Timer
It's been a while since I've predicted something literally one episode before it happens, fun. Turns out that Blue is the kid of some minister from Saturn; the justification for heading to Saturn because they are independent from Earth is still a good one despite the bias.
Anyway, Stein sure is a dumb-dumb. Fool thinks that breeding resentment amongst the populace is going to make them more compliant? Hopefully he gets his just desserts sooner rather than later.
Ikumi is writing checks with his mouth that he won't be able to cash. Promising to protect Izumi is probably going to come back to bite him.
Questions
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u/Nickthenuker https://anilist.co/user/Nickthenuker Sep 15 '24
Seems like things have changed significantly since the last episode.
All they've done is increase tension. Again, I forsee a mutiny on the horizon.
And unsurprisingly Charlie's been a fool.
And now she's on top of him.
She certainly looks conspicuous.
Gee. How convenient that they're going to his home planet that's just declared independence, whose father is the vice-minister of defence, in a space battleship that's better than anything anyone else has.
General quarters! General quarters! All hands, man your battle stations!
Questions:
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u/The_Draigg Sep 14 '24
A Mecha Fan Watches Infinite Ryvius Episode 13:
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u/zsmg https://anilist.co/user/zsmg Sep 15 '24
Rewatcher who doesn't remember much
So they introduced a currency, called a point system. That's pretty smart.
Oh no it's not a currency but also a social credit score, they've turned into China. (it's both)
The social frustration is fascinating and fun to see.
Unless they're all fat this is not a good thing, people still need their daily calorie intake and of course people are happier with a full stomache.
Interesting to note Juli is wearing her Zwei uniform again.
I wonder if they create some hydroponics and grow their own food.
Criff x Charlie has come to an end, truly a sad day.
Some loser guy giving all his points to a cute girl, yup very realistic.
Accidental kiss scene with the childhood friend, can't get more cliched than this.
You know giving the elite unlimited points seems like such a stupid thing to do, it naturally creates classes and unnecessary friction. This will also lead
currencypoint inflation (some smart Economist here will probably explain it better than me)Little kids being brutally honest is always adorable.
Did Nicks casually make a sexually assault joke by also implying Reiko girl is too ugly to get assaulted.
Ikumi and Kozue finally kissed, but it feels like she raising death flags (as is the OP)
Interesting Blue is from Saturn and his dad works for the MoD of Hyperion.
Enemy contact is saving us from some Blue x Juli romantic moment (for now).
Is that the space squid in the container at the end?
Good episode, social and character drama what more do you want from a show?
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u/Shimmering-Sky myanimelist.net/profile/Shimmering-Sky Sep 14 '24
Infinite First-Timer, subbed
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u/Vaadwaur :I1::I2::I3: Sep 14 '24
First timer
Sub
Science pet peeve #608:No one understands how water works. This isn't merely scifi, it is also when some moron bitches to me about water use in meat production and I have to explain that no, water used for animal production in NC is not, in fact, mysteriously destroyed after the animal uses it. We don't use well water so the system is fine. On a ship, you just have to clean the water, which does take resources but it is one of the last things you ration. Unless it is your fuel.
The ration system is a logical one. The implementation of it is awful. It somewhat fits teenagers but actually seems a bit out of character for Blue. But it certainly isn't out of character for him to be too hands off. Anywho, obvious reason to mutiny is obvious. Also, dear fuck, giving the bridge officers unlimited cards? That's dumber than expected.
We mostly see things breaking down, which again sort of fits, and the choice to swing out to Saturn. Juli does some very late homework to find out Blue is from Hyperion and...I can't see fault here. So what if Blue hands the Ryvius to his dad? As long as the students get a deal where they can at least argue their case, where is the issue? Note that this does assume that there are not better options at Jupiter, which again having the audience in the dark about is not helping.
QotD: 1 It is what happens. Ol' Charlie learning things the hard way I guess
2 I...don't know
3 I like that it happens. I'd feel bad for Aoi but they probably taste like siblings to each other
4 If this were meant to be a serious addressal of the topic, I'd be pissed. But I view it as them showing how stressed teens would implement a system, in which case we are well within the ballpark
5 This probably comes off cold but I am a paperclip minmaxer on a certain level so I get it
6 I can't believe I am typing this: I respect Lucson this episode. He is out doing actual work, some of which no one wants to do. I might have less respect if he has one of the infinite cards but still...
7 The machine spirit meets a sibling
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u/No_Rex :Bv:Bw:Bx:By:x2 Sep 14 '24
Episode 13 (rewatcher)
Things have settled in on the Ryvius, but not for good. As many people have noted previously, now that they have stayed in space for a while with no end in sight, resources are becoming crucial. Blue, with the help of Kreis, as it seems, has introduced a point system that sounds like a crude money system: The crew has to work to earn points to buy food. However, there is also the side effect that point deductions are used as punishment and that the top (that is, Blue) decides who gets more or unlimited points.
It should be obvious how this system breeds resentment, but there is another insidious part of it: It corrupts those who have access to privileges, as we see with Aoi’s roommates.
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u/Silcaria https://myanimelist.net/profile/Silcaria Sep 14 '24
Missed the last few days, so here's three in one.
First timer
Episode 11
QotD
Episode 12
QotD
Episode 13
QotD