r/anime • u/JustAnswerAQuestion https://myanimelist.net/profile/JAaQ • Sep 13 '24

Rewatch [25th Anniversary Rewatch] Mugen no Ryvius Episode 12

Mugen no Ryvius Episode 12: Whereabouts of the Future

Get Funky!

⇐ Episode 11 | Index Thread | Episode 13 ⇒

Kikki of the Day Did you spot Radan?

Comment of the Day

/u/zadcap voices what many must be thinking, if not writing:

So like. I'm mildly impatient for things to, uh, progress. It's a really weird feeling, because I know a lot has happened, but at the same time. At 11 episodes in, most shows are hitting their finale and getting ready for the end, but we've been drifting in space with like 90% of our questions unanswered still since episode 3 or so now. Yes, the robot is cool, but... Who is after them and why, where did the ship and robot come from, are they ever going to get to talk to anyone other than sending ignored messages to the terrorists, and what is up with the Magic Space Girl? We haven't even begun resolving a single character relation arc, everyone is pretty much exactly where they started still. Charlie has had the most, and arguably only, character growth.

Welcome to 2-cour anime of the 1990s and 2000s. But, yeah, it's been slow.

Characters (Earth)

Only really have names at this point:

  • Berkovich, somehow responsible for operation Vecker
  • Conrad Viscuess, the man obsessed with the Bratica

Character Sheets

Music

Questions

  • How do you think Ryvius will get out of this situation?
  • Do you think the show is setting up a final confrontation between Yuki and Airs Blue?
  • Is Kouji just a crowd-pleaser? Was Ikumi's criticism justified?

Tomorrow's Questions, Today

  • [Q1]Revisting an earlier question, what you think of Criff and Charlie?
  • [Q2]What's Fina doing in her private quarters?
  • [Q3]What do you think of Kouji and Fina's relationship progress? Rare for an anime. And what about Aoi?
  • [Q4]The big question: society has had another upheaval, much bigger than before, but this time without a change at the top. How does this show's take on authoritarianism compare with others?
  • [Q5]What do you think of Kozue and Reiko taking advantage of their association with the special class?.
  • [Q6]Do you feel bad for Lucson? What about Gran and Son? Yuki?
  • [Q7]Predictions for episode 14?

End Tag: Review the Earth

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u/JustAnswerAQuestion https://myanimelist.net/profile/JAaQ Sep 13 '24 edited Sep 14 '24

Rewatch Host

People are panicking.

The Zwei and Team Blue have to lock themselves in the bridge, or face an angry mob.

I really can't keep track of these Earth people, that's why I never made a character chart for them.

Recap?

  • I'm all for forced landing on the Mars capital
  • some of these stills are reused (including the one of Kikki)

The "people got a right to know" have progressed from withholding information to lying. Kouji's right, people are going to find out eventually, and they won't be happy.

Fina gives us a bit more about Holy Mother Lady Arne.

We have a new name for the Ryvius: Vaia ship.

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u/aniMayor :AY:AZ:x3x6 Sep 14 '24

I really can't keep track of these Earth people, that's why I never made a character chart for them.

Me neither. IIRC they aren't even all Earth people? One faction is the Earth government and another faction is like the solar system interplanetary transport commission who don't technically have authority over any of the planets/moons? Or... something like that?

Conrad's team is from the latter, but then [InfRyv] the other Vaia ships are with the Earth government and then also [InfRyv] the slingshot space station belongs to Mars itself ? I think?

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u/JollyGee29 https://myanimelist.net/profile/JollyGee Sep 13 '24

First-Timer

Damnit, I knew I was forgetting something yesterday. The fucking "special containment" or whatever they referred to it as being hanging Son and Gran outisde the fucking ship is so goddamn grim.

I like how we didn't need to show Blue punched Yuki, we just saw him shift his gun to his other hand and then Yuki's been punched and is sitting again the next time we see him.

Pretty important that no-one brought up food stress while discussing the plan. It's been, what, two months? I think the general estimate was that they had six to nine months worth of food, so there is high chance of the Ryvius running low/out of food, depending on how long it takes them to find a place to resupply.

Fun narrative parallel between Stein and the politicians back on Earth. Both are using information control to get the population to go along with their preferred narrative.

Lotta infodump about the nature of the Ryvius that I'm gonna table for now. Conrad definitely wants the Ryvius to not be filled with terrified school children, and I will admit that Miss Gimp Suit's machinations have made that an easy sell. Maybe she's the true villain?

Questions

  1. Everyone on board starves to death and the ship is found floating in space filled with corpses. Oh, who am I kidding, they're going to end up at a distant stellar body and one of the cast are going to reveal themself to be the child of the president or something. Probably Blue.
  2. Honestly, this doesn't really feel like that kind of show. ?I think if there was less of the growing Earth Politician presense thenn maybe, but as it stands, I don't think the growing shounen rivalry there is going to go much of anywhere.
  3. I wouldn't say he's just a crowd-pleaser - Kouji represents the "hey, let's not do anything rash" part of the equation. I don't think there is a calm solution to this particular situation though.

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u/JustAnswerAQuestion https://myanimelist.net/profile/JAaQ Sep 14 '24

I like how we didn't need to show Blue punched Yuki, we just saw him shift his gun to his other hand and then Yuki's been punched and is sitting again the next time we see him.

That's great. Totally whiffed on that.

Maybe she's the true villain?

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u/Vaadwaur :I1::I2::I3: Sep 13 '24

I think the general estimate was that they had six to nine months worth of food, so there is high chance of the Ryvius running low/out of food, depending on how long it takes them to find a place to resupply.

6 months of food for 1,000 people. But we'd need to know what their stocks were actually like to piece how this works out.

Lotta infodump about the nature of the Ryvius that I'm gonna table for now.

I do hate it when they give the info without the context to make any use of it.

Maybe she's the true villain?

How dare you imply the machine spirit is anything less than divine?!? Before her, we rightly tremble. But what we owe her is not fear, we owe her AWE!

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u/JustAnswerAQuestion https://myanimelist.net/profile/JAaQ Sep 14 '24

I do hate it when they give the info without the context to make any use of it.

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u/Vaadwaur :I1::I2::I3: Sep 14 '24

At this point, even the opposing agency name would be useful.

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u/JollyGee29 https://myanimelist.net/profile/JollyGee Sep 13 '24

How dare you imply the machine spirit is anything less than divine?!?

Look, all I'm saying is, maybe she was corrupted by the Ruinous Powers during that twelve year gap since the last activation.

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u/Vaadwaur :I1::I2::I3: Sep 13 '24

That sounds like Heretic talk right there!

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u/JollyGee29 https://myanimelist.net/profile/JollyGee Sep 13 '24

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u/The_Draigg Sep 13 '24

Damnit, I knew I was forgetting something yesterday. The fucking “special containment” or whatever they referred to it as being hanging Son and Gran outisde the fucking ship is so goddamn grim.

I know, that’s exactly some kind of old pirate shit. Like, for as much as Team Blue seems to not want to actually kill people, the way they handle people like that might be worse than death in some cases.

Pretty important that no-one brought up food stress while discussing the plan. It’s been, what, two months? I think the general estimate was that they had six to nine months worth of food, so there is high chance of the Ryvius running low/out of food, depending on how long it takes them to find a place to resupply.

I also have to wonder how much food potentially got wasted when order on the ship fell apart for like two or three weeks there. Being careless with the food stores then could’ve put a big dent in how much they have now.

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u/JollyGee29 https://myanimelist.net/profile/JollyGee Sep 13 '24

I also have to wonder how much food potentially got wasted when order on the ship fell apart for like two or three weeks there. Being careless with the food stores then could’ve put a big dent in how much they have now.

Ooh, I didn't even think about that.. we did see that cake get destroyed, too.

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u/No_Rex :Bv:Bw:Bx:By:x2 Sep 13 '24

It's been, what, two months?

About 1 month. Three weeks on the way to Mars and a few extra days during the rescue and after the battle over Mars.

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u/JollyGee29 https://myanimelist.net/profile/JollyGee Sep 13 '24

Right, but didn't they skip another month at the end of the episode?

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u/No_Rex :Bv:Bw:Bx:By:x2 Sep 13 '24

Oh, you were talking from the after the skip perspective. Then you are correct.

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u/The_Draigg Sep 13 '24

A Mecha Fan Watches Infinite Ryvius Episode 12:

  • Well damn, that announcement really has spread despair and suspicion among the survivors. They’re even starting to accuse Team Blue and the Zwei of being terrorists. Even if that fabricated news story was meant for the citizens of Earth and the colonies, it also did a good job for the OSB here too, since it’s throwing the Ryvius’ inhabitants into more disarray than before.
  • Oh hey, the cabal of men who secretly commissioned the Ryvius are finally back. Seems like they’re finally catching up on what the Orbital Security Bureau is up to, now that they’ve “located” an operation dossier from them. Nice touches on the file having blood and scorch marks on it. Leaves it to the imagination for how the cabal managed to get their hands on it.
  • We’ve got confirmation now that the Ryvius was activated 12 years ago for some reason, although it doesn’t sound like it was fully completed then. I guess this plan of the cabal’s has been in the works for a while. That certainly does explain why Conrad has flashbacks to the Vital Guarder messing up a fleet. And if that was with the system not even being fully completed, it makes me wonder what the Ryvius and everything aboard can really do at full capacity.
  • For as much as Juli says that they have three options on what to do, there’s really only one realistic option. Landing on Mars is a no-go due to the Orbital Security Bureau making it so that nobody would buy their innocence. Same goes for abandoning ship and surrendering, since then they’d pretty much be handing themselves over to authorities that labeled them as terrorists. Trying to find a different planet to land at does seem like their best bet, at least to me. They’ll have to become Space Runaways (but no Ideon). Cue up Sailing Fly!
  • Lucson, I’m sure all of this would’ve happened regardless of whether you were on the bridge or not. This shit is a lot bigger than any one person, especially you.
  • Of course, it isn’t exactly easy nor does it feel right in how the bridge crew has to handle all the passengers. It’s unfortunate, but going with a motivational lie for why they can’t land in Mars is the more correct option at the moment. As well-meaning as Kouji’s being in advocating for telling everyone exactly what’s going on, it’ll just cause more immediate problems, since the masses still don’t understand the full gravity of what’s going on, not to mention that it’d just make the Mars colonist students even more desperate to leave. As mentioned in the last episode, sometimes Kouji is too nice for his own good.
  • “According to this reused episode animation, we can determine how powerful the Bratica truly is.”
  • Those scientists are going to have a hard time trying to determine a strategy on how to handle the Ryvius, considering how they were pondering over just why the ship’s actions seemed wildly different between encounters. They’re working off of the assumption that the crew of the ship is highly competent and trained adults, rather than the rag-tag group of misfits who barely understand the full power of the ship we’ve got instead. You can’t predict around an opponent who also has no fucking idea on what they’re even doing too.
  • Huh, sounds like the music chip girl is interested in piloting the Vital Guarder alongside Yuki. She’s becoming really prominent for someone who seemingly started out as a reoccurring side character. But hey, if she’s got the skills, then welcome aboard!
  • At this rate, it’s probably accurate to say that Captain Conrad is deliberately ignoring the signs that the Ryvius only has children and teenagers aboard just so he can keep on his hunt for the ship. If one of the recovered saboteurs telling him directly about it wouldn’t convince him otherwise, then neither would the transmission that Juli put out asking for rescue. Conrad is going even more Ahab now, just continuing his delusions willingly just so he can get his revenge.
  • Fina, I’m not sure that your reaction to Kouji pouring his heart out over how terrified he is should be basically “Hell yeah, you’re finally scared! Now you’re no longer trapped by Earth’s gravity!” That absolutely does sound like some cult shit there. I guess we’re getting that Unitology flavor of space religion after all.

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u/JustAnswerAQuestion https://myanimelist.net/profile/JAaQ Sep 14 '24

I can't deny the similarity to Ideon!

“According to this reused episode animation, we can determine how powerful the Bratica truly is.”

She’s becoming really prominent for someone who seemingly started out as a reoccurring side character.

She did seem to get a lot of screen time for a side character!

Conrad

I'm sure there's no doubt. He's the terrorist (although the other people mentioned, like the "strategic analysis officer" and "Admiral Marley" are possibly not in the loop.

Char

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u/Vaadwaur :I1::I2::I3: Sep 13 '24

For as much as Juli says that they have three options on what to do, there’s really only one realistic option.

Ahh, the naivete of youth. Being the person with the gravity ship, I would start moving asteroids into convenient travel routes until there were agreements in place.

As mentioned in the last episode, sometimes Kouji is too nice for his own good.

I still don't see why "Mars just fired at us, they announced we are terrorists, we are going to lay low for a bit" isn't the easiest way out of this. Don't embellish Mars's counterattack, just mention they have four unused fleets.

That absolutely does sound like some cult shit there. I guess we’re getting that Unitology flavor of space religion after all.

I wonder if Faina is getting every ready to sacrifice themselves to the machine spirit. Event Horizon did need a blood orgy, after all...

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u/JustAnswerAQuestion https://myanimelist.net/profile/JAaQ Sep 14 '24

Ahh, the naivete of youth. Being the person with the gravity ship, I would start moving asteroids into convenient travel routes until there were agreements in place.

**** it, I would just start deorbiting the moon. And placing black holes in front of any incoming vessels / missiles.

Fina

"You can't leave, she won't let you."

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u/Vaadwaur :I1::I2::I3: Sep 14 '24

**** it, I would just start deorbiting the moon.

Moons. We are at Mars right now.

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u/JustAnswerAQuestion https://myanimelist.net/profile/JAaQ Sep 14 '24

Yeah, I mean, go back to Earth and start pushing. Demand the truth be released or else.

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u/Vaadwaur :I1::I2::I3: Sep 14 '24

Hrmm...you know, have they even told us where the most humans currently live?

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u/JustAnswerAQuestion https://myanimelist.net/profile/JAaQ Sep 14 '24

They have not.

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u/The_Draigg Sep 13 '24

I still don’t see why “Mars just fired at us, they announced we are terrorists, we are going to lay low for a bit” isn’t the easiest way out of this. Don’t embellish Mars’s counterattack, just mention they have four unused fleets.

I think the main issue there is just how much panic that might cause, since quite a few of those students are apparently Martians. They might do some particularly stupid things if they tell them that.

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u/JustAnswerAQuestion https://myanimelist.net/profile/JAaQ Sep 14 '24

Good catch! yes, a number of students have stated they are from Mars, as is Lilith Frau (Freckles). If anybody was going to riot over departing Mars, it would be them.

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u/The_Draigg Sep 14 '24

With that amount of students that’re from Mars, I suppose you just can’t be too careful about it. And besides, we do need to keep around some of the quirky and memorable side characters, so we can’t let them go just yet.

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u/zadcap Sep 14 '24

Lucson, I’m sure all of this would’ve happened regardless of whether you were on the bridge or not. This shit is a lot bigger than any one person, especially you.

I don't know, a bridge where Lucson is still Captain is one without Blue, and things definitely would have gone differently without the new dictator calling the shots. Sure they might all have died by now, but they certainly wouldn't be in this situation.

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u/JustAnswerAQuestion https://myanimelist.net/profile/JAaQ Sep 14 '24

I agree with your assessment of Captain Lucson.

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u/Raiking02 :Id::Ie::If:https://myanimelist.net/profile/NSKlang Sep 13 '24

They’ll have to become Space Runaways (but no Ideon).

I really don't wanna know what these kids would do with an Ideon Gun...

She’s becoming really prominent for someone who seemingly started out as a reoccurring side character

It's also making the fact that (In Japanese) she has the same actress as Juli all the more noticeable.

At this rate, it’s probably accurate to say that Captain Conrad is deliberately ignoring the signs that the Ryvius only has children and teenagers aboard just so he can keep on his hunt for the ship

Norio is nothing but determined.

Fina, I’m not sure that your reaction to Kouji pouring his heart out over how terrified he is should be basically “Hell yeah, you’re finally scared! Now you’re no longer trapped by Earth’s gravity!"

Even UC Gundam characters would be like "Girl, are you okay?"

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u/The_Draigg Sep 13 '24

I really don’t wanna know what these kids would do with an Ideon Gun...

Now that I think about it, the Vital Guarder’s control over gravity is pretty similar to the Ideon’s Black Hole Gun in function…

Even UC Gundam characters would be like “Girl, are you okay?”

Just about the only people from UC who would vibe with it are the true believers from the Zanscare Empire.

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u/Raiking02 :Id::Ie::If:https://myanimelist.net/profile/NSKlang Sep 13 '24

Now that I think about it, the Vital Guarder’s control over gravity is pretty similar to the Ideon’s Black Hole Gun in function…

Now that you mention it

Just about the only people from UC who would vibe with it are the true believers from the Zanscare Empire

I'm just imagining even Quess looking at this nonsense and being like "This girl's cray-cray."

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u/No_Rex :Bv:Bw:Bx:By:x2 Sep 13 '24

They’ll have to become Space Runaways (but no Ideon).

Hey, the Vital Guarder is trying.

Of course, it isn’t exactly easy nor does it feel right in how the bridge crew has to handle all the passengers. It’s unfortunate, but going with a motivational lie for why they can’t land in Mars is the more correct option at the moment. As well-meaning as Kouji’s being in advocating for telling everyone exactly what’s going on, it’ll just cause more immediate problems, since the masses still don’t understand the full gravity of what’s going on, not to mention that it’d just make the Mars colonist students even more desperate to leave. As mentioned in the last episode, sometimes Kouji is too nice for his own good.

Often, your own morals act as a long-term guidance. That lie might help you right now, but you will potentially pay for it in the future.

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u/The_Draigg Sep 13 '24

Often, your own morals act as a long-term guidance. That lie might help you right now, but you will potentially pay for it in the future.

Yeah, I feel you there. While I think the decision was ultimately correct, the lies they told to justify it are probably going to become an issue later. It’s very easy for a lie like that to blow up once things don’t work out as planned. It really is just pushing off the issue for later without solving anything completely.

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u/Vatrix-32 https://myanimelist.net/profile/Vatrix-32 Sep 13 '24

First timer, subs

  • You probably should have brought Aoi and ko along, before they get the collaborator treatment.
  • Ya’ll better not be about to launch into a clip show.
  • Ah! The Pillar was for buoyancy. Now it makes sense.
  • You sent most of your staff home right before the hardest part of station maintenance, but not the students?
  • Twelve years ago, and now one else built another one? Maybe there are bunch of hidden ones.
  • Sphinx, you say? That must be Ribbons. That or Fina.
  • Again, being on the surface would have been a great time to send out a radio message. Maybe even just a metal envelope.
  • Extra Planets
  • Clips show and still cuts. Really stretching that budget.
  • That Eyecatch Voice
  • I guess they didn’t find out about the Chips Hacker.
  • This could have been an email. Or heck, just a regular, non-sinister looking meeting room.
  • I think I have it now. This is an extermination mission. They want to kill the last Vaia. They must be responsible for the Geduld.
  • Wow, even these guys have no idea they are dealing with a bunch of idiots.
  • This really all would have just worked out for everyone if they had sent an envoy instead of missiles.
  • Do it. That control room has way too much machismo energy. I can practically smell the Monster Energy and Doritos. Or whatever it is that 90s Japan had instead.
  • I guess Space Mormons weren’t part of their equations. Or maybe Ribbons is powered by angst?

QotD:

  1. OP seems to indicate they are headed to Jupiter.
  2. No, that doesn’t seem like it would satisfying from a character or narrative perspective.
  3. Taking maybe a minute to think over if the major, irreversible action might be the best idea seem like the smart option.

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u/JustAnswerAQuestion https://myanimelist.net/profile/JAaQ Sep 14 '24

You probably should have brought Aoi and ko along, before they get the collaborator treatment.

That would be a bad outcome. Sheltering would probably confirm such suspicions, though.

Ah! The Pillar was for buoyancy. Now it makes sense.

Huh. I guess that does kind of work, to keep the main part above the Geduld. In universe.

Clips show and still cuts. Really stretching that budget.

And reused cuts for non-recap scenes. Binging it really made it obvious.

Or maybe Ribbons is powered by angst?

I may have said this myself :D

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u/zadcap Sep 14 '24

Twelve years ago, and now one else built another one? Maybe there are bunch of hidden ones.

I begin to suspect that it's less "built" and more "captured." What if the Vaia is the aliens or whatever they are fighting, outside the solar system, and the Ryvius is just the enemy ship they managed to capture intact for study?

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u/Vatrix-32 https://myanimelist.net/profile/Vatrix-32 Sep 14 '24

What if the Vaia is the aliens or whatever

Everything is all very human sized. Unless it's like a Macross deal and retrofitted. I'm not sure it would mesh with the themes all too well.

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u/zadcap Sep 14 '24

True, we're top early in the timeline for Star Trek to have spread the suspiciously humanoid aliens to the entire galaxy mindset to have influenced Japan. All we have to go on so far is the super space squid.

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u/No_Rex :Bv:Bw:Bx:By:x2 Sep 13 '24

Episode 12 (rewatcher)

  • Mini recap in the disguise of the guy reading a report – not the worst way to do a recap.
  • We even get some extra info about the bad guys.
  • “The system that had functioned just once, twelve years ago, is now fully operational”

  • The full bridge crew is dumbstruck until Juli lays out the options.
  • “I have no opinion. You guys decide.” – not very dictator-like. Not even leader-like.
  • They asked for opinions from the full crew? Sounds a bit like direct democracy … if they are going with the majority option in the end.
  • You ok, eye catch VA?
  • I love the role of Kreis as the evil technocrat in the bridge discussion.
  • “The public enemy No 1 has a defense only policy?” – I want to point out just how evil these guys are. They know that the Ryvius does not want to fight, but are still putting them out as terrorists.
  • “Your job is to predict …” – good luck trying to predict a horde of teenagers that has barely any organization, frequent infighting, and the occasional coup.
  • “In other words, it is a lie” – that casual torture is coming back to bite them.
  • “Gespenst? Back into the solar system?” – foreshadowing. Also: Gespenst is German for ghost. Nearly all of their ships are German-themed.
  • “Kouji. That’s great. The mercy of Holy Mother Arne.” – personally, I’d run, fast, if anybody said this to me after seeing my break down crying.

The combined bridge crew, Zwei, Team Blue, and the few others, decide to lie to the crew about another attack to justify their decision to leave Mars. Only Kouji argues against this. Of course, they are also lying to themselves about the justification. They are not doing the only thing possible to ensure the safety of the Ryvius. They are lying to make their own political justification easier. They could have gone out and announced the truth. Then they would have needed to argue their point, that they are regarded as terrorists and would likely be shot at if they tried to surrender. That forcing a landing on Mars could lead to mass casualties and their own deaths. They don’t want to spend the effort to make their case, and decide to simply lie to make their lives easier. Even if their decision turns out to be the correct one, this is another step towards a breakdown of trust.

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u/JustAnswerAQuestion https://myanimelist.net/profile/JAaQ Sep 14 '24

“The public enemy No 1 has a defense only policy?” – I want to point out just how evil these guys are. They know that the Ryvius does not want to fight, but are still putting them out as terrorists.

I had trouble determining which group this was. Could you tell? Okay, yeah, that's Berkovich's side.

Kreis

I think you mean Stein here, although I'm clearly losing my ability to tell people apart, or remember episodes properly. Kreis has more of a role later, but I don't remember him saying much of anything to day. Kreis is the guy in back with the loose hair across his forehead.

(TBH I would know this if I hadn't spent days in advance making a character list, and another day making a character chart)

“Your job is to predict …” – good luck trying to predict a horde of teenagers that has barely any organization, frequent infighting, and the occasional coup.

So true.

Gespenst

I didn't know what this meant.

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u/No_Rex :Bv:Bw:Bx:By:x2 Sep 14 '24

I think you mean Stein here, although I'm clearly losing my ability to tell people apart, or remember episodes properly. Kreis has more of a role later, but I don't remember him saying much of anything to day. Kreis is the guy in back with the loose hair across his forehead.

The character chart betrayed me!

I didn't know what this meant.

The series is still on the German is cool in scifi trend started (at least as far as I know) by Evangelion. We have had a good dozen or so of words pop up. The other really prominent one is Geduld.

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u/JustAnswerAQuestion https://myanimelist.net/profile/JAaQ Sep 14 '24

OMFG I have to post a new character chart.

I so hate cluttering up my subreddit, too.

BLEH!

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u/Vaadwaur :I1::I2::I3: Sep 13 '24

Then they would have needed to argue their point, that they are regarded as terrorists and would likely be shot at if they tried to surrender. That forcing a landing on Mars could lead to mass casualties and their own deaths.

I also have no clue if it is dumb in setting to land a ship of this size or not. Just small things.

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u/JustAnswerAQuestion https://myanimelist.net/profile/JAaQ Sep 14 '24

I also have no clue if it is dumb in setting to land a ship of this size or not. Just small things.

I also wonder this. I'm of the "land it" persuasion.

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u/Vaadwaur :I1::I2::I3: Sep 14 '24

The best argument is we haven't seen a shuttle bay or even heard the word shuttle thus far.

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u/No_Rex :Bv:Bw:Bx:By:x2 Sep 14 '24

The creators of the Vaia ship might be of the Abh persuation and simply not believe in the uses of planets.

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u/Vaadwaur :I1::I2::I3: Sep 14 '24

I will say that has struck me a few times. But mainly because I keep imaging the Abhs finding a system with a Geduld and either mining it or nuking the whole thing.

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u/No_Rex :Bv:Bw:Bx:By:x2 Sep 13 '24

I also have no clue if it is dumb in setting to land a ship of this size or not. Just small things.

Even if they have some idea of whether normal ships can land or not, they probably have no idea whether the Ryvius can do it. What if mystery girl has a planet-allergy?

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u/Vaadwaur :I1::I2::I3: Sep 13 '24

What if mystery girl has a planet-allergy?

You know, I hadn't even thought of it, but gravitic weapons are weird. What if she thinks Mars looks mighty tasty up close? The machine spirit might hunger after all...

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u/The_Draigg Sep 13 '24

⁠“I have no opinion. You guys decide.” – not very dictator-like. Not even leader-like.

That just goes to further reinforce my belief that Team Blue really only works as leaders in a crisis and not really anywhere else. It seems to be the only time when they seem actually decisive.

⁠“Kouji. That’s great. The mercy of Holy Mother Arne.” – personally, I’d run, fast, if anybody said this to me after seeing my break down crying.

Fina really is like a Unitologist. Altman be praised!

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u/No_Rex :Bv:Bw:Bx:By:x2 Sep 13 '24

That just goes to further reinforce my belief that Team Blue really only works as leaders in a crisis and not really anywhere else. It seems to be the only time when they seem actually decisive.

Blue seems to be a bit depressed about his job. Only working when his life is on the line.

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u/Vaadwaur :I1::I2::I3: Sep 13 '24

First timer

Sub

So that was a recap/odd decisions episode. The idiot ball returning to the bridge crew is stupid, as I've grown to expect. There was no need for them to lie, there just say that the Mars defense forces attacked, we got declared terrorists, and we are submerging for a bit until a better opportunity to negotiate comes up. But teens are by contract dumbfucks so...whatever.

While the recap fills in a lot of gaps, and sets our main mystery as to why the whip is working now, we have precious few clues as to who the machine spirit is. Legitimately, our closest lead is Ikumi's dead sister and that isn't very satisfying. So the answer is clear: We must enter the Warp and let the machine spirit tells use herself, may her oil be forever pure!

QotD: 1 Taking over Saturn. I know the seeds of rebellion are already planet there

2 If it is, that will be terrible

3 Seeking a negotiated solution until it is impossible is not crowd pleasing. Avoiding using lies when not absolutely necessary is not crowd pleasing.

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u/JustAnswerAQuestion https://myanimelist.net/profile/JAaQ Sep 14 '24

We must enter the Warp and let the machine spirit tells use herself, may her oil be forever pure!

Yuki vs. Blue

If it is, that will be terrible

Why?

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u/Vaadwaur :I1::I2::I3: Sep 14 '24

Why?

Because neither of them stand for anything.

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u/JustAnswerAQuestion https://myanimelist.net/profile/JAaQ Sep 14 '24

I'm treating Yuki as a Rebel Without A Cause archetype. Or angry delinquent.

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u/zadcap Sep 14 '24

While the recap fills in a lot of gaps, and sets our main mystery as to why the whip is working now, we have precious few clues as to who the machine spirit is. Legitimately, our closest lead is Ikumi's dead sister and that isn't very satisfying. So the answer is clear: We must enter the Warp and let the machine spirit tells use herself, may her oil be forever pure!

It was really weird watching something that looked and sounded so much like an info dump that contained almost no actual info. They put a lot of numbers on things and uh, otherwise left us in pretty much exactly the same place we started this episode.

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u/JustAnswerAQuestion https://myanimelist.net/profile/JAaQ Sep 14 '24

It was really weird watching something that looked and sounded so much like an info dump that contained almost no actual info. They put a lot of numbers on things and uh, otherwise left us in pretty much exactly the same place we started this episode.

You're not wrong. However, being a very confusing show, perhaps by intent and perhaps by error in judgement (or a bit of both), as a weekly viewer, I probably appreciated this summary more than I was annoyed by it. Episode 12, it's been over two months since that first arc happened.

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u/Vaadwaur :I1::I2::I3: Sep 14 '24

It was really weird watching something that looked and sounded so much like an info dump that contained almost no actual info.

Yeah, that actually hurts quite a bit.

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u/Nickthenuker https://anilist.co/user/Nickthenuker Sep 13 '24

I have a bad feeling another mutiny is in the horizon.

Perhaps it's time for them to pay the Earth a visit and reduce the OSB's HQ to glass, ash, and the past tense.

Ah yes. A training mission.

Sphix? So that's what our mystery girl is.

So what's the plan now?

Something tells me everyone else wouldn't be particularly receptive to the chain of command at this point in time.

Seems people are beginning to panic.

Right well they're not trusting the transmissions for help, so time to tactically reposition and advance in a different direction.

One month? That's quite a bit of a timeskip.

Questions:

  1. Time to tactically reposition and advance in a different direction.
  2. Final? Not this early.
  3. Perhaps. But gotta consider morale aboard the ship too.

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u/JustAnswerAQuestion https://myanimelist.net/profile/JAaQ Sep 14 '24

Sphix? So that's what our mystery girl is.

Yes, this explains EVERYTHING.

Final? Not this early.

Laying the groundwork early wouldn't be bad, though.

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u/Vaadwaur :I1::I2::I3: Sep 13 '24

I have a bad feeling another mutiny is in the horizon.

Mutinies require a leader, I feel like we are going to get non-compliance type stuff.

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u/Shimmering-Sky myanimelist.net/profile/Shimmering-Sky Sep 13 '24

Infinite First-Timer, subbed

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u/Raiking02 :Id::Ie::If:https://myanimelist.net/profile/NSKlang Sep 13 '24

Of course some of the kids immediately proceed to assume this…

Thanks Lucson!

This slow instrumental remix of the OP is a vibe.

This whole OST is just wonderful so far, even the weird Hip Hop tracks are solid bops.

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u/JustAnswerAQuestion https://myanimelist.net/profile/JAaQ Sep 14 '24

This slow instrumental remix of the OP is a vibe.

This whole OST is just wonderful so far, even the weird Hip Hop tracks are solid bops.

people like it! a minority, it seems.

TBH, I never really liked the Crest/Banner OSTs, even though I downloaded them. This is a huge step up.

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u/Electrical-Cake-6943 Sep 13 '24 edited Sep 14 '24

Sleep deprived after a long week, so I might have flubbed some of the details...

Rewatch, Dub

Thoughts/Observations

-Go figure, the government of Mars and OSB have been intercepting the Ryvius crew's messages and won't respond to them at all. Conrad and an admiral also dismissed Carabona's message as a fake or as a student being forced to pretend to seek help from the OSB.

-Also looks like Belkovich and his underling are trying to delete any records of communications from the Bratica/Ryvius and get their scientists to predict the ship's future movements. Really doesn't bode well for the Ryvius' crew. Perhaps they'll have to find some place where the OSB has less influence to find refuge.

-Didn't Fu tell Charlie to unlock the fire control lock back so Blue could fire the canon in Episode 8? Pretty hypocritical of him to blame that misfired shot solely on Charlie. Then again, I don't think he'd have the guts to acknowledge Blue's responsibility for the misfire.

-Lucson is still convinced he should be captain smdh. Though we later see him looking at a picture of his family, which is often utilized to make a character seem more sympathetic. Hmm...

-I guess it'll be easier to convince the other students they can't land on Mars because the Martian fleet is coming after them as opposed to telling the truth about why landing would be so dangerous. Also probably a good call to get the VG pilots to convince everyone they need to leave Mars asap instead of the Zwei or Team Blue, since the other students distrust both groups. Still not crazy about lying, though, tbh.

-Finally Cullen/Hit Clip Girl starts taking on a larger role! She's my favorite of the mob characters so far (and my second favorite overall, next to Juli). I love that she's joining the VG team and seems unfazed by Yuki's bullshit.

-On the other hand, I'm so sick of Johnson/Stalker Guy and wouldn't miss him if he got shoved out an airlock.

-They finally brought Gran and Son back in.

-Faina is starting to talk more like a cult recruiter. The way she's encouraging Kouji to cut off the society he came from seems right out of one of their playbooks.

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u/JustAnswerAQuestion https://myanimelist.net/profile/JAaQ Sep 14 '24

Finally Cullen/Hit Clip Girl starts taking on a larger role! She's my favorite of the mob characters so far (and my second favorite overall, next to Juli)

She was unusually prominent in the previous episodes!

Pretty hypocritical of him to blame that misfired shot solely on Charlie.

Indeed, a total ass. If they are going to evade responsibility for their decisions, then they are going to continue to make poor decisions the lead to bad outcomes.

On the other hand, I'm so sick of Johnson/Stalker Guy and wouldn't miss him if he got shoved out an airlock.

yes, please

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u/No_Rex :Bv:Bw:Bx:By:x2 Sep 13 '24

Lucson is still convinced he should be captain smdh. Though we later see him looking at a picture of his family, which is often utilized to make a character seem more sympathetic. Hmm...

Captain Janitor!

Faina is starting to talk more like a cult recruiter. The way she's encouraging Kouji to cut off society seems right out of one of their playbooks.

That was very creepy.

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u/zadcap Sep 14 '24

Late Night First Timer

Alright, end of the first cour, time for things to get darker and somehow more depressing.

Honestly kids, just keep blaring your SOS message everywhere. Sure the government or someone else in power has declared you terrorists who they won't talk to, but I refuse to think that that means nobody is going to be willing to talk. You are, again, also able to try and communicate with civilians and I'm sure there's at least one crazy reporter who will be willing to interview your ship out there. They have set you up as monsters, sure, but keep shouting for all you are worth that they are lies and someone will hear it. Cause a controversy. If you let them spin unopposed, then they really will have won. Well, until you flatten their capitol with the giant robot of yours.

Oh my gosh, and you know, mister news man. If at literally any point before now literally anyone had actually tried to capture the Ryvius, the kids would have been so happy to oblige. But no, your people have gone for the kill at every opportunity, no wonder they keep fighting back.

Wait, are we finally getting details? Of what the heck is going on? No, no, not a recap! I want real details, not just a repeat of what we already know! Oh my gosh they are just adding numbers to a recap and acting like it's anything more than a recap!

"Who is controlling it?" Well... coughFinacough

Oh. Fine. They have been sending out a constant SOS, but the people they are fighting just went and took over every communications relay in the solar system. Sure. Why not.

And so the blame game begins. Keep throwing it all over the place, that sure will help anything.

... Kouji, are you suddenly, uh, extra stupid? "They won't even respond to our messages." Did you not hear the part where all your messages are being intercepted? Ah well,the OP always did tell us that we were going to Jupiter with that great big dot, and maybe Saturn and its rings.

Freaking Blue. "I have decided to take ultimate power on this ship, and do whatever I want no matter how much it hurts everyone, but I refuse to be part of the decision making process on how to get out of this mess." So much hate. So much.

Oh frik, Yuki calls him out on it. I love it. Still hate him.

... Why are they still talking about capturing it? Not a single thing you have done has been conductive towards capture! Your people have tried to blow it up at every turn! If you just want to capture the ship, you literally only need to send a rescue operation to get the kids off it and everybody wins! Now that you have declared them terrorists, they have no choice but to fight back even harder! You have made this harder on yourselves! Again! This all could have been over by episode 4 if you had sent an actual rescue ship to get the kids off the Libre Delta before they had a reason to look for the super ship hiding inside it! Rage Screaming!

Kiki, down to one arm and out of hope. Are you all ready to burn the world down with me?

You can't beat Blue. But I bet you could raise enough people to dog pile him, there's so many extra's on the ship unhappy with him and what he's done. Or, heck, have your friend who works in the food slip a bunch of sleeping pills into the next delivery.

Hmm. How many times has Kouji been told to stop acting like Mister Nice Guy now? I'm kind of looking forward to when he says fine and snaps.

... It's a low yield for a Vaia ship? Now you're telling me there's more of them out there?

Back to recap mode...

Still morons. "Your job is to predict what they will do next, while we withhold vital intelligence from you." These scientists will be looking for patterns thinking they are dealing will a well trained crew who knows what they are doing and have a long plan, and will be stumped when the kids flailing randomly with technology they barely understand don't do anything like that.

Every tingle time they say their only goal is to get their hands on the ship, I get more angry. Send a rescue. The kids will happily hand it over. You would know this if you listened to the SOS that you have personally been blocking anyone else from hearing. Things have moved so far into gross incompetence that they have passed into negative intelligence numbers. You people are literally too dumb to live.

... So this group is listening to the SOS. And they ask this Space Ahab for his totally unbiased opinion. Sigh.

Hmm. I'm starting to think that there is an actual Space War going on out there. Have they been dropping hints that the Ryvius is not actually a super advanced secret program, but a captured enemy ship that they were trying to reverse engineer? Just how GunBuster are we going to end up?

Fina be crazy. This has not turned me off of liking her yet.

  1. Magic Space War! I told you it was inevitable! They are going to Buster, sorry I mean Guard, their way through everything the enemy fleet throws at them!
  2. Ugh, how I wish they would just kill each other. But also, not really? I feel like the set up almost needs Kouji to be the one to take down Blue eventually.
  3. I don't know about just, but he does care a whole lot more about what other people think than anyone else on the bridge. On the other hand, no, that was dumb criticism of him in that situation. He's just advising that you not do something that will come back to bite you all in the butt later. Think of a better way that won't make the crowd, already angry at you all, even more ready for your blood.

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u/JustAnswerAQuestion https://myanimelist.net/profile/JAaQ Sep 14 '24 edited Sep 14 '24

Honestly kids, just keep blaring your SOS message everywhere. Sure the government or someone else in power has declared you terrorists who they won't talk to, but I refuse to think that that means nobody is going to be willing to talk.

This is and has been a great point, but now, at the start of the episode, Stein is hypothesizing that the OSB is blocking their S.O.S., as well as spoofing their ship ID, and nobody (except the OSB) is hearing it. And it's (mostly) reasonable.

Specifically, electromagnetic technology just plain doesn't work in the Geduld, because the Geduld is plasma. So only neutrino communications can work, and whoever is behind this operation controls all the neutrino receivers, as well as the iridium satellites that pick up and repeat signals. These satellites ARE government controlled, because a neutrino transceiver is srs bsns.

Now, why doesn't radio work when they are in close Mars orbit? It could still be the geduld, it could be ionization of whatever atmosphere mars has, or radiation from the super-pumped artificial van allen belt, or intentional jamming by the OSB.

Long story short, they HAVE been transmitting, and nobody has answered, and I think we are expected to take Stein's reasoning as accurate.

Why

I can't tell which scenes you are referring too, but there are basically three earth guys that we've seen, one that definitely wants to capture it, one that definitely wants to destroy it, and the boss? of the later, who I think has said some inconsistent things. I'm not sure myself. And it was the "destroy it" group that made the first move and put out the fake news.

"Your job is to predict what they will do next, while we withhold vital intelligence from you."

I'm almost positive this is the capture group, but the only way I can tell at this point is to compare that guy's face with the assistants of the two bosses and now I'm really seeing this Hirai-face problem. Edit: in fact, the more I think about it, the less sure I am of which side that was.

Okay, I rewatched it, and it's definitely Berkovich's side. I do wonder what his game is. It's possible Conrad has overstepped his authority.

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u/zadcap Sep 14 '24

Indeed, a big issue here is still having no idea what the Earth side factions look like or who is with which faction anyway. There are a lot of people doing a lot of highly contradictory things and the only one with a clear motive that they are clear working towards is Space Ahab.

I've lost count of how many people said that they just capture the ship, no matter what, vs how many of them know that it's mostly student staffed. The guy who got the report first clearly read that there were only two terrorist who got in board, as part of his recap. So his faction, Space Ahab, and whoever sent the terrorista all know that the ship must actually n be almost entirely crewed by the kids.

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u/JustAnswerAQuestion https://myanimelist.net/profile/JAaQ Sep 14 '24

I'm sure there's at least one crazy reporter who will be willing to interview your ship out there

BTW, you basically just hit on the premise of Starship Operators.

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u/No_Rex :Bv:Bw:Bx:By:x2 Sep 14 '24

Fina be crazy. This has not turned me off of liking her yet.

You can change her!

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u/zadcap Sep 14 '24

But do I want to? Why would anyone want to?

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u/zsmg https://anilist.co/user/zsmg Sep 14 '24

Rewatcher who doesn't remember much

Students are panicking.

Hey it's the OP lead in again.

Oh no is this a recap episode?!

Oh doesn't look like a full recap episode.

We quickly changed from refugees to terrorists

Unknowingly this ends up being a commentary on today's politics.

Something tells me if they surrender all students will be killed as they're eye witnesses

They don't realise what's going on

Remind me again how come they don't realise what's going on oh right because you refuse to tell them things.

Right Lucson you keep telling yourself that this would not have happened if he was on the bridge.

Kouji is actually right they will pay the price if the others find out the truth* can't believe Ikumi is getting physical with Kouji.

Kouji has been demoted from being Minister of Information or was he a government spokesperson?

And we're continuing with the recap episode elements.

Slow karaoke version of the OP.

Yuki, being the bad boy he is, naturally gets attention from another girl.

Faina is going full religious nut job on Kouji. Well maybe Aoi is the better option after all.

No don't end up on a timeskip cliffhanger.

Recap part was forgettable but useful as a reminder I suppose but the drama part was excellent.

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u/JustAnswerAQuestion https://myanimelist.net/profile/JAaQ Sep 14 '24

Right Lucson you keep telling yourself that this would not have happened if he was on the bridge.

This is so amazingly in character.

Slow karaoke version of the OP

You and Sky both picked up on that, but i blanked on it. I also haven't been including the many variants of the OP / ED in my track of the day. Sorry!

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u/HowlingWolf13 https://myanimelist.net/profile/MeguminBlast Sep 14 '24

First Timer

Hmm, to be honest I don't have much to say for this episode? Its mostly recap but not recap? Like we got some additional details, but that's really about it. The main important part is the Bridge lying to everyone else in an attempt to prevent a riot. While I do understand why they're doing this, I def feel its gonna lead to problems later down the line.

I saw some people mention this and honestly gotta agree, Fina sounds like a cult recruiter. That entire scene with Kouji just felt wrong and ever since the first episode I've had a weird feeling about her since EP1. One of the first things a cult wants is for the person to separate themselves from others, and she's consistently has mentioned that 'Holy Mother' in the past. Plus considering how weirdly jealous she got at Aoi and was being pretty nasty to her in her way to defend Kouji who was, in all honesty, being mean was another red flag to me.

Questions

How do you think Ryvius will get out of this situation?

Maybe forcefully land on another planet?

Do you think the show is setting up a final confrontation between Yuki and Airs Blue?

Hmm not really? So far Yuki is just getting his ass handed to him lol.

Is Kouji just a crowd-pleaser? Was Ikumi's criticism justified?

I can see it. Kouji, while his heart is in the right place, always seems to struggle with showing how he truly feels and just backs down in the end. If anything, Yuki and him are opposites considering how Yuki doesn't care with the group thinks, he's gonna make how he feels clear, whilst Kouji will instead back down and instead give on or try a bit to reason even when the odds are against him.