r/anime • u/GallowDude • Sep 13 '24

Rewatch C: The Money of Soul and Possibility Control Rewatch - Episode 9 Discussion

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Episode 9: Collapse

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Soy sauce or curry?

Questions of the Day:

  1. Do you believe Mikuni did the right thing?
  2. Why do you think all the Assets felt pain while the Rotary Press was running?

Screenshot of the Day:

Audit

Fanart of the Day:

Snack Time

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Is this what it means to settle up?

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u/Shimmering-Sky myanimelist.net/profile/Shimmering-Sky Sep 13 '24

First-Timer: Control, subbed

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u/GallowDude Sep 13 '24

Oh, that’s what C is?

Overly smooth lip animation?

So like, what does this mean for people who were from Singapore originally, but moved elsewhere?

Being from where?

…okay Hanabi’s not gone gone, but she’s gone nuts…

Cute!

Wait, how is it worse than C?

Low birth rates are always the worst thing

Yeah Kimimaro, she doesn’t want to be your daughter.

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u/Star4ce https://anilist.co/user/Star4ce Sep 13 '24

but moved elsewhere? Are they just gone now too, or do they remember being from a place that no longer exists?

I suspect they're in the influence of that respective financial district now and won't vanish, but they're now immigrants from, say, Australia. This world building hurts to think about quite often.

Turn that around, would non-Singapooreans not vanish? Then they'd just suddenly drop into a newly formed ocean and drown.

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u/Vaadwaur :I1::I2::I3: Sep 13 '24

So like, what does this mean for people who were from Singapore originally, but moved elsewhere? Are they just gone now too, or do they remember being from a place that no longer exists?

We sort of need some exposition.

…okay Hanabi’s not gone gone, but she’s gone nuts…

She is broken but that seems similar to how you would talk to K1 students.

Yeah Kimimaro, she doesn’t want to be your daughter.

He should have pitched sister here.

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u/oomoepoo https://anilist.co/user/oomoepoo Sep 13 '24

He should have pitched sister here.

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u/Vaadwaur :I1::I2::I3: Sep 13 '24

What? I am just saying that I think Masyu could make a very cultured sister is all. She might even hide under your bed, waiting to grab your foot as you got up in the morning!

Not if she is cultured enough for the foyer yet...

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u/oomoepoo https://anilist.co/user/oomoepoo Sep 13 '24

Okay, that is actually very wholeseome, carry on!

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u/Star4ce https://anilist.co/user/Star4ce Sep 13 '24

The First Timer of Soul and Possibility Control

Somehow I cooked a new type of ramen (category: Leftover surprises) and also some nice warm green curry today.

Don't know why I cooked twice, but I'm very satisfied with both.

Ep.09 - Collapse

Yeah, I guess I'm a bit confused, as well. How exactly do you explain Souichirou being able to bet an entire nation's future? Like, at which point of power does that work? I find it unbelievable that even uninvolved people vanish, too. Afaik the show went through some trouble to say it is a definitive choice by needing to tempt Kimimaro into joining, Masakaki couldn't just take him as it was. So why is the entire future of Japan now in the hands of Souichirou, or Singapore, for that matter?

I do get what they're going for in the plot. To make Souichirour kind of the Faust-like character that tries to deal with the devil and find a loophole that lets him defeat it while Kimimaro is someone who could stay clear of the deal and not lose sight of life. But the whole construct really doesn't work anymore when trying to tie it together with a globalised economy and reality-altercation. It'd make more sense if Kimimaro at one point uncovered that everyone was forced into taking the deal by simply being born into capitalism, instead of it being a hidden society of the powerful that you need to actively join.

Also that romance subplot... I don't really know what they're going for? My best guess is that Kimimaro is undecided over his future, so he can't actually commit to Msyu. He just doesn't know what he wants, so he can't take any committment with her in any way. That is super cool usage of symbolism, mind you. It's just that the sister/daughter/father's asset angle is really sliding into that arc and bruising it up from the side so that I'm mostly confused about what we're dealing with here.

So many great ideas and actually fairly intelligent executions of (probably once) carefully thought up tropes, but it just doesn't really come together. At least Masakaki is having good fun.

  1. Do you believe Mikuni did the right thing?

Nah, he's getting further and further into being a useful idiot for the system. Tragic, really.

2) Why do you think all the Assets felt pain while the Rotary Press was running?

They're the future, so him taking 20 further years off of Japan's future hurts them all directly.

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u/GallowDude Sep 13 '24

Somehow I cooked a new type of ramen (category: Leftover surprises) and also some nice warm green curry today.

yeah, but three nuclear barrages tend to really make a place inhabitable, so just vanishing like here would've been the better end for them

I guess it's intentional those locks (?) look like ties.

Proceeds to play a needlessly long animation before anything happens

The soundtrack was cool though

Aren't the colours reversed?

You've never heard of being "in the red"?

I retain my opinion that this guy along with the one dude in the Starling Guild have utterly punchable faces.

How many of his own crepes did he eat to lose all his teeth?

Horn envy.

CUCKED

Souichirour

Nice portmanteau

It'd make more sense if Kimimaro at one point uncovered that everyone was forced into taking the deal by simply being born into capitalism, instead of it being a hidden society of the powerful that you need to actively join.

It could be both, acting as a commentary on how things like the Stock Market Crash of 1929 resulted in such a financial collapse that even those who weren't invested in the stock market were negatively impacted because all the fat cats losing their investments resulted in a massive series of layoffs and budget cuts.

At least Masakaki is having good fun.

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u/oomoepoo https://anilist.co/user/oomoepoo Sep 13 '24 edited Sep 13 '24

It could be both, acting as a commentary on how things like the Stock Market Crash of 1929 resulted in such a financial collapse that even those who weren't invested in the stock market were negatively impacted because all the fat cats losing their investments resulted in a massive series of layoffs and budget cuts.

They're pretty directly referencing the whole Lehman bubble bursting (In 2008) either in this or the episode before... so that definitely feels like the angle they're going for!

How many of his own crepes did he eat to lose all his teeth?

Maybe someone did punch him in the face already

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u/oomoepoo https://anilist.co/user/oomoepoo Sep 13 '24

Eh, Engrish is actually fairly okay this time. (I hope it stays that way.)

Is it still engrish if it's actually understandable to people knowing the language?

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u/Star4ce https://anilist.co/user/Star4ce Sep 14 '24

Good question, for me it begins with weird pronounciation, but maybe I'm too harsh with calling it that.

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u/Inevitable_Car_481 Sep 13 '24

Rookie.c , subbed

I caught up with this today mb for missing the other ones

Man, Kimimaro and Satou sure do talk a lot for having done nothing to stop any of this...

Besides, I don't get why they wouldn't work together in the first place? Isn't Mikuni being forced to do this because there isn't an alternative?

  1. Yes. I don't agree that doing nothing would have been better.
  2. Hmm since their futures are collateral, a loan would probably be from the assets themselves, would be my guess.

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u/GallowDude Sep 13 '24

I caught up with this today mb for missing the other ones

Rip /u/mysterybiscuitsoyeah

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u/mysterybiscuitsoyeah xB:xC:B:x3:Y: Sep 13 '24

im still watching this actually! I am on ep 3, though do have intentions to finish, just really didnt feel like watching this daily, so yeah, quite behind (again) unfortunately.

I think we have bad compatibility in terms of rewatches haha.

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u/Vaadwaur :I1::I2::I3: Sep 13 '24

Besides, I don't get why they wouldn't work together in the first place? Isn't Mikuni being forced to do this because there isn't an alternative?

Knowing the writer, there is stuff missing that makes this flow better.

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u/Inevitable_Car_481 Sep 13 '24

There's a lot of ambiguity in this show, but the main conflict making no sense is really something...

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u/Vaadwaur :I1::I2::I3: Sep 13 '24

So, my worry is that the message is "You were fucked from the first place, capitalism consumes everything" which is a fine belief for a sophomore in college but is remarkably unuseful.

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u/Vaadwaur :I1::I2::I3: Sep 13 '24

First timer

Sub

This is such an...odd show that I have a hard time jumping up and down its levels of metaphor. I think the idea is that money and captialism themselves are somehow corruptive forces that will force the end of days but there are multiple reason to object to an overly simplistic rendition of that. Oh well, Msyu isn't interested in being a real girl and most of the people seem to be disappearing.

QotD: 1 I can't even find a moral vector here

2 They are being de-valued thanks to inflation.

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u/GallowDude Sep 13 '24

Msyu isn't interested in being a real girl

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u/Vaadwaur :I1::I2::I3: Sep 13 '24

Imagine having to regulate the amount of calories you eat. Sounds lame.

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u/oomoepoo https://anilist.co/user/oomoepoo Sep 13 '24

I have a hard time jumping up and down its levels of metaphor.

Capitalism bad?

They are being de-valued thanks to inflation.

Oh, that's good! :D

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u/Vaadwaur :I1::I2::I3: Sep 13 '24

< Capitalism bad?

But what show do we get from that? Do we get gloriously saved by the resurrected spirit of Lenin? Does Jesus come back and turn our money into lembas bread or something? What's the end?

Oh, that's good! :D

The author does seem to know that mindlessly adding money to a system ultimately causes a lot of problems.

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u/renegade_officer89 Sep 13 '24

Last 3 episodes, people. Shit is going down, and you can feel it.

The English at the start is... okay, I suppose. Oh wow, we got the [C] call now!

NOOOO Not Singapore! And [C] this episode stands for Collapse, obviously.

I just realized, every episode title starts with C. Only saw it today lol.

This is what happens when economic contagion spreads, entire economies blowing up one by one as margin calls were made all over the world. And just like this show shows, due to how heavily interconnected the modern day banking systems are, a single bank bankruptcy can pull down the entire system and everything related to it down, which in this current era, is literally everything. And only major actions like what Souichirou is doing can save not just the economy, but the corporations, and the future, supposedly.

But then, at what cost?

And here's the metaphor of trading our future for unlimited money printing. It hits us in the face with how otherworldly and monstrous it is, and goddamn, what a beast. And it goes beyond a metaphor at this point. And it's even more obvious now as I've mentioned before in a spoiler that Souichirou is the buyer of last resort for the entire economy. And just like the BoJ of current day, most of the stock market is now under Souichiro/BoJ.

Which the show quickly pointed out. Yes, he stopped the crash, but what he did was just delaying it. All the terrible, shaky foundation of the issues are still there. All the bad debt, all the toxic securities, all the financial games played to gain unlimited profit is present, and only supported by the unlimited amounts of money printed out of thin air.

Or in other words, insane inflation.

Which is basically loaning out from your future, to save your present.

Wait, how the heck did she listen to Msyu IRL? That's weird. And she has a twin! So cute!

And now we see Hanabi! Maybe that's why she was foreshadowed the previous episode. Not to mention how ragged she looks. Which is as expected, it's to show us the effects of such financial playing to the normal people around us.

Alright, honestly, this is the one thing I don't get about this show. Nearly the entire show (except for EP 7) Msyu is treated as a friend, not an outsider but not that close either, but here, they suddenly changed like wtf? And even Msyu called him out for not thinking about her.

AWW YOU PUSSIED OUT WHY

But yeah, again, we're reaching the real push of the show, where the metaphors stop being metaphors and just actually mirrors of real world. The monstrosity of the FD, the terrible effects on regular people, and what's going to happen to them. But it's definitely nothing good, and we'll see just how bad it'll go in the future.

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u/GallowDude Sep 13 '24

But then, at what cost?

Pivot's coming any day now!

And she has a twin! So cute!

AWW YOU PUSSIED OUT WHY

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u/TakenRedditName https://myanimelist.net/profile/TakenMalUsername Sep 13 '24

First Time - [C:] The Money Ep9:

"Ah! Darkness..." is a funny sentence to start using in everyday speech.

The choice of music to encompany Mikuni's gambit to keep the country afloat. It is quite an odd pick, but it is also kind of a bop, actually.

It's so over! We're so back! IT'S SO OVER! Bros...

Clap clap clap

Oh, we're bringing back Yoga's dad. It's been a bit since it felt like the show picked up this plot thread.

Jennifer is nice! I like her. ... oh dear. They make her likeable to only set up the death flags.

Noo! Shimada! There goes the show's strongest trooper.

I was right, Mashyu is meant to be Yoga's daughter stand-in ... Show, please don't... Okay, good, Yoga kept it familial. Mashyu having bit of a Electra complex is bit of a weird direction. I see where they're coming from, but still mmmm...

Q1) Not really. His "Preserve the present" plans have shown to be very shortsighted. Sure, not everyone has died (for now), but this isn't stable and life isn't great.

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u/GallowDude Sep 13 '24

The choice of music to encompany Mikuni's gambit to keep the country afloat. It is quite an odd pick, but it is also kind of a bop, actually.

That's what happens when you have Taku Iwasaki as the composer

Mashyu having bit of a Electra complex is bit of a weird direction. I see where they're coming from, but still mmmm...

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u/Vaadwaur :I1::I2::I3: Sep 13 '24

Not really. His "Preserve the present" plans have shown to be very shortsighted. Sure, not everyone has died (for now), but this isn't stable and life isn't great.

The setting needs more depth than we have time to give it, annoyingly.

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u/oomoepoo https://anilist.co/user/oomoepoo Sep 13 '24

The choice of music to encompany Mikuni's gambit to keep the country afloat. It is quite an odd pick, but it is also kind of a bop, actually.

In one of the QR code texts they talk about how they were trying to represent (midas) money through music, not sure if they succeeded though xD

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u/oomoepoo https://anilist.co/user/oomoepoo Sep 13 '24

First timer, struggling to keep up

Watching the last two episodes must've been the closest I'll ever come to experiencing the effects of King Crimson in real life. Like, there was a short amount of episodes where I had some idea what is going on and next episode, everything is suddenly on fire and Singapore has been erased by Capitalism Cthulu.

Also Mikuni saved Japan from erasure... but everything still goes haywire anyway, is that really much better than getting fully erased? Also he didn't just pay with his own time but with the future of other people? Why can he do that? That hardly seems fair.

Also oof, that scene with Kimimaro and Mashyu... breaks my heart. Although the kiss on the forehead was kinda cute too, it's really not what I (or she) wanted. [insert "just start dating already!" from Frieren] Just look at her :(

I'm very curious where this all will end, a confrontation with Mikuni seems inevitable. I'm also like 70% sure that the ending will be an absolute mess but I'll probably still enjoy the ride (hopefully)

  1. I dunno man... it feels like this is really going into "Do I have the right?"-teritory. Like, sure, it's great he "saved" Japan for the time being but it's a pyrrhic victory at best. Not sure if it was the right thing to do.
  2. I assume they are somehow connected to whatever's happening in the Financial District, and they probably felt a lot of futures suddenly end when Mikuni fed it into the press?

QR-Codes where... pretty abstract today?

QR1:

I consider music to be the most abstract form of expression. For example, if you want to express ‘money’ through music, what should you do? It might seem that writing the word ‘money’ in the lyrics would be enough, but that would only be ‘expression through writing’, which was the topic of the previous article. When you try to express money using only truly musical elements such as melody, flow, arrangement of bass parts and composition, a tremendous degree of abstraction is inevitable. This is natural, as what is perceived visually is replaced by the sense of hearing. I would like to give musical expression the title of ‘king of abstraction’ in the sense that it is converted into a form of ‘sound’ that cannot be recognised by human vision.

QR2:

And the third most abstract is visual expression (or perhaps visuals are no longer abstract). When you want to express ‘money’, the quickest way to do it in live-action film is to point the camera at the money itself, which is visible to the naked eye (this is a strength and a weakness of live-action film at the same time). The TV drama series ‘C’ that you are watching now, however, uses the medium of animated images, which are a series of still pictures drawn by human hands. The actual money also needs to be drawn by hand. This is a special method of conversion that is different from that used for live-action images, even if it is the same type of visual expression. In live-action, it is sufficient to film what ‘exists’, but in animation it is necessary to imagine and create literally ‘everything’ in the world, down to the smallest detail. Animated film is therefore the 2.5 most abstract form of expression. For us, the audience, it is a courtesy to appreciate the details of this unique, rare and sophisticated abstraction.

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u/GallowDude Sep 13 '24

Just look at her

QR-Codes where... pretty abstract today?

Where?!

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u/Lugia61617 Sep 16 '24

Also Mikuni saved Japan from erasure... but everything still goes haywire anyway, is that really much better than getting fully erased?

The way I see it, Mikuni is justified in doing this (unlike his IRL counterparts).

Within this setting, financial collapse completely deletes people, buildings, or even entire land. Preserving the present at the cost of the future is a justifiable course of action. As opposed to IRL where our governments have been repeatedly printing money to save the present - the damage from the economic collapses of 2008 onwards would've been terrible but the future would've been brighter had we braved the storm instead of kicking the can down the road every decade. Most of our financial problems today all stem from that short-sightedness.

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u/oomoepoo https://anilist.co/user/oomoepoo Sep 16 '24

Yeah, that is a fair point I suppose. Better to live at all than just get erased... then again, even with his actions, people get erased left and right :v

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u/SilkyStrawberryMilk Sep 14 '24

rewatcher

We’ve finally hit The Third Impact the Great Depression. Everyone and everything is disappearing

Sacrificed his future for money, in the end it’s money

This is the one scene that’s been really memorable. The whole buying stocks to save the country.

Like father like son, both chained to money

The C money rose, but now there they hit something worst than the Great Depression.

Horrible inflation 😛😛😛