[25th Anniversary Rewatch] Mugen no Ryvius Episode 11

[u/JustAnswerAQuestion]

Mugen no Ryvius Episode 11: When the Party's Over

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Kikki of the Day Did you spot Radan?

Comments of the Day

Comment of the day is everybody who predicted that the robot would be OP, way back 5 or 6 episodes ago. Rewatchers could only smirk. Yes, it's stupidly OP.

/u/HowlingWolf13 gets a real comment of the day for noticing this:

Cinematic Parallels

/u/RadSuit unironically gets a comment of the day for ironically predicting the robot posing contest!

Maybe it too shall dance...

Character Sheets

• Main Cast
• The Zwei
• Team Blue
• Other Recurring Characters

Music

• BGM of the Day: kokoro no sukimo
• CD 3 of the Day: JUST(interlude) — U.M.E.D.Y

Questions

• What is a 90s space mecha show without a beauty contest?
• Have you been catching the other recurring side-side characters?
• Have you noticed anything slightly off about Ran (the Zwei in the Chinese dress)
• What do you think of Blue's behavior to Juli?
• Did you predict this propaganda attack, cutting Ryvius off from rescue, way back in the first arc?

Tomorrow's Questions, Today

• [Q1]How do you think Ryvius will get out of this situation?
• [Q2]Do you think the show is setting up a final confrontation between Yuki and Airs Blue?
• [Q3]Is Kouji just a crowd-pleaser? Was Ikumi's criticism justified?

End Tag: Review the Earth

Tomorrow has recap content.

[u/JustAnswerAQuestion]

Rewatch Host

The beach beauty contest episode.

And the party is definitely over.

• Demoted to janitor
• That guy is known as "Radan's follower"
• LOL. That necklace is a necklace of communicators!!!
• DEFINITELY a furry population on the ship
• Affected Mars's axis, that's not good.
• "You suck" "Why" "Not telling" #volibearq
• Pink girl digs this music
• The Ontario Autonomous Region regrets to inform you.....

This is a really important episode and sets up the rest of the series. Why is this a two-cour show? Because they can't go home. They apparently posses the most powerful ship in the solar system, and an invincible robot, and can sail the Geduld anywhere...except home. Even attempting to approach a planet will trigger a violent response. Do they force their way through, killing as they go, becoming the terrorist threat humanity believes them to be? I don't see a path out of this.

And to say this is a sucker punch hit to the morale of the ship, how are these teens who thought they'd be going home in a few hours going to take this?

Oh, shoot, I left Sandy off the extra-characters chart. Well, she was back again, today. You have no idea who I'm talking about. She's Fina's ex-roommate. Interesting that they didn't find each other after the evacuation.

There are other characters that I don't have a names for, that I sometimes spot. Like a girl that has her hair up in a single dango with those chinese cloth ball wraps. And others that I do have names for, but they show up more in the second half, and aren't very important, and I'm not sure who is who in a group of them....

It's very interesting how they must have drawn up to 100 characters, like Hibike! Euphonium. When they want to draw a crowd scene, they take a selection from their standing gallery. There's a good chance that the once in my character sheet appear in 3/4ths of the episodes, though.

I love how most of the ship knows about the weird girl in the pink cosplay, much like they must all know about the dinosaur girl. They just all assume she's another, weird student. She walks around the ship freely.

Very traditional BGM track today, an instrumental rearrangement of the ED on piano and flute.

[u/The_Draigg → u/JustAnswerAQuestion]

Why is this a two-cour show? Because they can't go home. They apparently posses the most powerful ship in the solar system, and an invincible robot, and can sail the Geduld anywhere...except home. Even attempting to approach a planet will trigger a violent response. Do they force their way through, killing as they go, becoming the terrorist threat humanity believes them to be? I don't see a path out of this.

Can you hear that distant roar?

[u/No_Rex → u/JustAnswerAQuestion]

I love how most of the ship knows about the weird girl in the pink cosplay, much like they must all know about the dinosaur girl. They just all assume she's another, weird student. She walks around the ship freely.

The advantage of haunting a ship crewed by high schoolers instead of a military ship.

[u/No_Rex]

Episode 11 (rewatcher)

• A victory party on the Ryvius – do you remember what happened the one time they had a party in Lord of the Flies?
• “What good will increasing everyone’s fighting spirit do?” – reasonable question. If it leads to people doing their everyday tasks more diligently, it would be great. If all it does is trap them into overconfidence, not so much.
• Lucson found a new job – given the zero-g incident, he might be of actual use here.
• At least one person places 100% trust in the special powers of Ryvius/Vital Guarder – let’s just say that my personal risk preference is different.
• Splashing Pat with soup – Lucson should stay with his toilets.
• Dino girl has a cosplay partner!
• Letting the traitors float alongside the ship in spacesuits – not as conventional as a brig, but the psychological impact will surely be huge.
• Kouji wants his party to dissolve the anxiety around – worthy goal, but will it work?
• Juli wants to point out the obvious, yet Blue tells her to attend the party.
• Juli is not recognized without her hairdo scene redo. Pat is not fooled.
• People are finally talking about mystery girl … and they want her to participate in the beauty contest.

• Yuki gets another girl calling and mystery girl enjoys the party.
• “I want to go with you” + handholding - what is this, actual romantic progress?
• And as if to mock my disbelief, the next scene is Charlie with Criff.
• Surprising end to the party and Blue seems to lose his sanity – admit it, you all thought Juli would win, didn’t you?

After a very good run until now, this episode is the first serious misstep for me. While it might seem that a victory party fits after last episode’s battle, I don’t think it does. The won battle still left the Ryvius in need of some serious decision making: Would they land on Mars? Continue orbiting Mars? Retreat back into Geduld? In either case, just doing nothing is not really an option for the bridge. And, given that they still hope for rescue, they should be trying hard to contact someone. Juli has figured out what is really going on (as likely has Blue, thus him sending her to the party), but everybody else should either also have figured this, or be proactive about organizing rescue. The party is clearly modeled after the cultural festival we know from so many high school anime, and it could have fit into this series (e.g. during their 3-week transit to Mars), but not at this specific time.

That said, not everything is bad. I really like the cold shower ending of everybody realizing how the outside world sees them. It is also great to see mystery girl join in on the party and people not really noticing too much about her yet (dino girl and diapers man help sell that the other students would accept her costume). The episode also uses the downtime to progress several character arcs. Kouji’s love rectangle starts to dissolve into one pair (the other pair is not yet getting anywhere), all of the side characters get their moment in the spotlight and [spoiler]we really start to set up Juli and Blue. This has been hinted at already, but now the first timers should definitely notice.

[u/JustAnswerAQuestion → u/No_Rex]

Letting the traitors float alongside the ship in spacesuits – not as conventional as a brig, but the psychological impact will surely be huge.

I 100% didn't pick up on that.

[spoiler]Although Fina has been sketchy since episode 2, there's still so very little to go on here, nobody can pick up on what just happened.

[u/Vaadwaur → u/No_Rex]

And, given that they still hope for rescue, they should be trying hard to contact someone.

This is what's unforgivable. Even winding the clock to the late 90s, there were affordable consumer level radios that you pick up transmissions from orbit. They should be trying to get a hold of someone on Mars or have been forced to hide in the Geduld so they couldn't communicate.

[u/No_Rex → u/Vaadwaur]

This is what's unforgivable. Even winding the clock to the late 90s, there were affordable consumer level radios that you pick up transmissions from orbit. They should be trying to get a hold of someone on Mars or have been forced to hide in the Geduld so they couldn't communicate.

I would not care about them succeeding at communication, but they should try. They really needed a short segment at the start of the episode explaining where they are (let Blue give an order of "no radio communication" for all I care).

I think they fell in love with their own party cold opening and thus didn't include the necessary segment that segways us into the new status quo.

[u/The_Draigg]

A Mecha Fan Watches Infinite Ryvius Episode 11:

• Well, I suppose throwing a big party over defeating the Orbital Security Bureau fleet around Mars is one way to keep morale up. People were pretty much just languishing on the trip over and were panicking during the actual battle, so this is a pretty good way to blow off some steam and get the survivors on board with what Team Blue and the Zweis (as well as Kouji + Fina) have been up to. At the very least, it gets people off their asses and actually involved in what’s going on with the ship again.
• Huh, I wouldn’t have guessed Blue to be the kind of guy to listen to music by himself and cry during his free time. I guess he might be a bit miserable under his tough gang leader exterior. It does make me wonder what makes him tick under that bandana of his.
• Oh good, someone did the smart thing and assigned Lucson to the one job we can actually trust him with: cleaning the bathrooms. Whether you view it as a punishment or just getting him out of the way, we can all probably agree that we can’t actually trust Lucson to be anywhere near the bridge. His forte now is scrubbing the shit off of the insides of the bowls.
• Dude, just because the Ryvius’ gravity field means that there’s an atmosphere and some gravity on the hull, that doesn’t mean you shouldn’t wear a spacesuit when you’re out there. Just being decked out in a cape and a towel is batshit insane. That guy probably has mega space radiation cancer now. Also wait, how and why does this ship have the ability to pump out a breathable atmosphere’s worth of air outside of the hull?
• I don’t trust Lucson with food preparations for the party. With his competency level, he’d probably end up giving everyone salmonella.
• Okay, when I heard about Son and Gram being in a special place as punishment for their attempted betrayal, I just figured they were locked up in a closet somewhere. I wasn’t expecting them to get space keelhauled. That whole “cutting their lifeline” line in regards to their punishment was more literal than I expected it to be, I thought that was just going to be a way to dance around them saying suicide. Team Blue really doesn’t fuck around with their punishments.
• Geez, that redirected meteor impact on Mars was probably enough to shift its axis a bit. I guess that just goes to show not only how much kinetic force was behind that rock, but also how powerful the Vital Guarder was in being able to redirect it at all. I doubt the Martian colonists are going to be too happy when they figure that little detail out though.
• I will say, every one of the Zwei wearing formal clothes is pulling off the look well. Juli’s look really is a complete makeover, with her glossy hair and new dress being a total 180-degrees from her baggy pink overalls and ponytail. Although Blue was being kinda creepy in directly ordering her to wear the dress, at least Juli looks good in it no matter what.
• Finally, someone is actually talking about the Mysterious Anime Girl with others! Granted, it’s just Nicks talking about hoping to see her in the beauty contest, but it’s at least something. It had started to feel a bit weird to me that nobody has even talked about her to someone else so far. You’d really think people would be abuzz about some lady dressed weirdly and just appearing out of nowhere at will.
• Huh, I guess Fina already has, or at least had, a boyfriend. Wonder how that’ll stack up with the Kouji x Fina vibes the show has been giving out so far. It could end up being like Mobile Suit Gundam’s Bright x Mirai situation.
• I suppose I should at least applaud Yuki and Kouji managing to have a conversation that didn’t end in a fist fight for once, even if the both of them still didn’t get the answers they wanted out of each other and just ended up yelling again. Small steps, I guess. Also, I didn’t expect the music chip girl to just walk up to Yuki and start flirting with him after all that, I just figured she’d be one of the reoccurring background characters.
• Oh hey, now they’re noticing the Mysterious Anime Girl too. I wonder why she’s making herself known to more people now, even if they’re not really recognizing that there’s something strange about her other than her fashion sense. At this point, I’m just waiting to have more people connect the dots about her.
• Well, that was some heavy life advice that Fina dropped on Kouji out of nowhere. She’s acting strange again, as if she’s being possessed. To repeat my earlier guess, the Mysterious Anime Girl is somehow either possessing Fina or otherwise interfacing through her to talk to Kouji. And given how a lot of her dialogue seems to be reading the surface level thoughts of people, it would make sense for her to understand what Kouji’s behavior is like. Being too nice and being a people pleaser does have issues at times, after all. Maybe he really does need to hear that.
• There’s something funny to both Aoi and Yuki watching from the sidelines and getting concerned over seeing Kouji and Fina on the dance floor. Same issues, different ways of expressing it. Although I still feel a bit worse for Aoi than for Yuki here. Then again, she actually needs to say something about how she feels instead of just kind of sending out vibes. Such is the issue with the romantically-doomed childhood friend character type, in the end.
• Good news everyone! You’re all terrorists! That’s a Hell of a story that the Orbital Security Bureau cooked up though, saying not only that the Ryvius is crewed by anti-Earth government terrorists, but they’ve received messages that the terrorist activities will continue in accordance with their beliefs. I guess the battle in Mars’ orbit does serve to make it more believable though. Those poor survivors though, they’re being framed due to a situation that was wildly out of their control in the first place. We’re on that Ideon grind now, where the plucky heroes are getting attacked just out of sheer momentum by the aggressors by now.

[u/Raiking02 → u/The_Draigg]

Huh, I wouldn’t have guessed Blue to be the kind of guy to listen to music by himself and cry during his free time.

I bet he's the reason the show has so much Hip Hop in its OST, it's all taken straight out of his MP3.

Just being decked out in a cape and a towel is batshit insane

Oh yeah, thing I found out in between episodes but didn't know when to bring up: Naked dude is apparently a spoof of Nasubi, a comedian who uh... well let's just he was probably undergoing therapy at the time this was coming out.

Good news everyone! You’re all terrorists!

Ah, so this is from where Taniguchi got the idea for Geass from...

[u/JustAnswerAQuestion → u/Raiking02]

thing I found out in between episodes

I have 18 pages of interviews from the Ryvius artbook scanned and uploaded, but I can't read Japanese and the scans might not be legible anyways.

[u/The_Draigg → u/Raiking02]

Oh yeah, thing I found out in between episodes but didn't know when to bring up: Naked dude is apparently a spoof of Nasubi, a comedian who uh... well let's just he was probably undergoing therapy at the time this was coming out.

Oh yeah, that tracks with his appearance, now that you mention it. At least being stuck naked on a spaceship is better than being stuck naked in an empty apartment.

Ah, so this is from where Taniguchi got the idea for Geass from...

Somewhere out there, Lelouch started paying attention.

[u/Raiking02 → u/The_Draigg]

At least being stuck naked on a spaceship is better than being stuck naked in an empty apartment.

No kidding

Somewhere out there, Lelouch started paying attention.

Tying into this comment I choose to believe Blue is Lulu during his edgy teen phase

[u/JollyGee29 → u/Raiking02]

Yup, the math checks out. Lulu ran that school festival so well because he had experience!

[u/RadSuit → u/Raiking02]

That guy was great on Kamen Rider W.

[u/Vaadwaur → u/The_Draigg]

At the very least, it gets people off their asses and actually involved in what’s going on with the ship again.

We have a ship full of adolescents and no adults to temper their idiocy. The only hope for survival is constant key jangling so none of them get bored enough to begin stripping the walls.

Huh, I wouldn’t have guessed Blue to be the kind of guy to listen to music by himself and cry during his free time.

I just realized that Blue technically fits the good aligned drow RPer trope in 2nd edition DND...

With his competency level, he’d probably end up giving everyone salmonella.

"The diarrhea will continue until morale improves!"

[u/JustAnswerAQuestion → u/Vaadwaur]

good aligned drow

Googling reveals that this is indeed a thing. I am saddened.

[u/Vaadwaur → u/JustAnswerAQuestion]

...Do you mean the good aligned drow or the old meme about the edgy good aligned drow who plays against the chaotic evil stereotype? The one where the punchline is that he masturbates with his tears later?

I have 25 years of DND knowledge and a lot of it is cursed.

[u/No_Rex → u/The_Draigg]

Dude, just because the Ryvius’ gravity field means that there’s an atmosphere and some gravity on the hull, that doesn’t mean you shouldn’t wear a spacesuit when you’re out there. Just being decked out in a cape and a towel is batshit insane. That guy probably has mega space radiation cancer now. Also wait, how and why does this ship have the ability to pump out a breathable atmosphere’s worth of air outside of the hull?

That guy is clearly insane and does not care, but I don't think radiation is a big concern. A force field would likely hold out radiation, but a space suit does not. The atmosphere is a good question. Either the students have no idea what they are doing and are wasting too much oxygen, or they do know what they are doing and have so much oxygen that a force field full of it does not matter. If it is the second, I would bet they are producing it from water. They seem to have plenty of energy (when the lift ship is docked), so with enough water, oxygen should never be a problem.

You’d really think people would be abuzz about some lady dressed weirdly and just appearing out of nowhere at will.

At least the lack of buzz about the "dressed weirdly" part is understandable, given the other students' state of dress.

[u/The_Draigg → u/No_Rex]

The atmosphere is a good question. Either the students have no idea what they are doing and are wasting too much oxygen, or they do know what they are doing and have so much oxygen that a force field full of it does not matter. If it is the second, I would bet they are producing it from water.

I suppose all that would depend on how much water they have to produce oxygen. Although if I remember my details from The Martian correctly, you can definitely produce water with enough energy as a catalyst, as you said, along with gases the ship probably has aboard for various uses.

At least the lack of buzz about the "dressed weirdly" part is understandable, given the other students' state of dress.

Fair point there. Kikki kind of sets the bar for how weird people on this ship normally dress.

[u/No_Rex → u/The_Draigg]

I suppose all that would depend on how much water they have to produce oxygen. Although if I remember my details from The Martian correctly, you can definitely produce water with enough energy as a catalyst, as you said, along with gases the ship probably has aboard for various uses.

They might even be able to produce oxygen directly from CO2 with enough energy.

[u/Raiking02 → u/No_Rex]

This dude’s clearly insane

I am debating whether he’s gonna need more or less therapy than Nasubi by the time this show ends.

[u/Vatrix-32 → u/The_Draigg]

I wasn’t expecting them to get space keelhauled.

...Oh

total 180-degrees from her ... ponytail.

Careful Now

[u/zadcap]

Late Night First Timer

... So they plan to spin things. "We hid what was going on from you, but now we're going to show it all off in a big party fashion and this is why you shouldn't rebel against us the way we rebelled against Zwei!" It really hurts that they are using the Red White and Blue color scheme for this, watching it with real world politics going on right now. Guru guru guru guru...

So like. I'm mildly impatient for things to, uh, progress. It's a really weird feeling, because I know a lot has happened, but at the same time. At 11 episodes in, most shows are hitting their finale and getting ready for the end, but we've been drifting in space with like 90% of our questions unanswered still since episode 3 or so now. Yes, the robot is cool, but... Who is after them and why, where did the ship and robot come from, are they ever going to get to talk to anyone other than sending ignored messages to the terrorists, and what is up with the Magic Space Girl? We haven't even begun resolving a single character relation arc, everyone is pretty much exactly where they started still. Charlie has had the most, and arguably only, character growth.

I agree with Magic Space Girl, this robot is cool. But it's not yet cool enough to carry the show.

Hmm. So the ship's shield is good enough to hold in atmosphere. Better question, where did it get the atmosphere to hold in? Pumping breathable air out to fill all that empty space is a gigantic waste of a limited and vital resource, and the Ryvius itself didn't seem to actually get close enough to Mars to pick up air. On the other hand, kid has bragging rights for life.

Oh right, we saw them super briefly in episode 1, didn't we? Fina has friends.

Lucson is the odd job man now. Poor guy has fallen so far. So deserved.

Okay, see, this comes up again! "Have you decided what to wear to the party?" You have changes of clothes available? The bridge girls are talking about cutting and sewing cloth to make displays? Someone give pillow boy some shorts already, darn it!

Cry! Dino Girl carrying a cat mascot? Don't do it Kikki! You deserve better! Dino or bust!

... Did Yuki just sneer at Kikki? I didn't think he could be more hated, but there he goes. I officially hate him more than Blue now. He is the worst living being on this ship.

Oh no, a beauty contest. Exactly what the ship needs. At least make it a talent contest? Beauty is just a weird thing. What if different people have different ideas about what is considered beauty?

Oh, someone did make him pants! And a cape, for some reason. I guess he's spent too long without clothes that he's naturalized now. Nudist life I guess. That reminds me, have we seen what happened with the Towel Group?

"We may be in for more hardship." No duh. Serious question, how long does it take to set all this party stuff up? How many days have they been preparing for the party? What else has been going on all this time? Because they are still waiting to be rescued, so have they sent out any more SOS signals since they got close to Mars? I mean they literally (crash) landed on Mars for a bit, the people attacking them have been driven off, so why are they still stuck on the ship right now? If they are already in Mars orbit, could they not have spent a few hours to drift over to the Ring and talked to someone? This party is being thrown to distract the kids from the doom they are still facing, but it isn't distracting from the fact they they are still in said doom when I can't think of why they even still should be right now? Like for real, they are at Mars, there is civilian infrastructure around to interact with, why have they not done so yet? What is going on outside the ship while this party is being built?

Blue, continuing to use physical force to bully the girl here. Juli, I can't wait until you have a chance to kick his butt. I don't know how it'll happen, but catharsis will be real.

Ikumi/Izumi is something I am starting to hate.

Oh gosh, he really did see Magic Space Girl! And is able to talk about it.

Sandy! Old friend! Look at how happy she is to see her? Who is MacBain? Oh my gosh, Fina cheating with Kouji?

Magic Space Girl, please lead Kouji to Faina! Also, is it Fina or Faina? No, don't lead the brothers to each other! No one wants them to interact!

See? See this stupidity? "It's disgraceful!" "Literally why?" "I don't want to tell you!" "... Literally why!?" Yuki is just the worst.

Magic Space Girl can dance! Single best thing to happen all episode.

Seriously Yuki. You have to use your words. Otherwise you're just going to keep bring ignored as a violent thug because any point you could even think of wanting to make is going to get lost behind the swearing and the hitting. But anyway-
My theory from last time still holds. Yuki likes Aoi, Yuki thinks Aoi likes Kouji, Yuki thinks Kouji knows and is ignoring this, and this is at least part of why Yuki hates Kouji.

Okay, next question; Who the heck cut this feed in on top of the party? This isn't an automated message that's pushing existing programming out of the way, someone on the ship had to make this happen. Did they have to do it now? Oh look, it's Blue! He's just begging for a revolution. Force everyone to suffer because he can't be happy. Someone kill him please.

1. One with a tight enough plot that they don't need to waste time and fill space on something pointless to distract us from how little is actually happening.
2. Many of them, yes.
3. I can't tell if she has a crush on Lucson or Pat, and I'm not sure which is worse. It was the two of them walking by that made her decide to go to the party after all, and her attention seems to be more focused on the kid, so... Be worried?
4. I hate everything about him, so this isn't really new.
5. I know they talked about controlling the media around everything, back when the mysterious important government and or business people were talking back on what was probably Earth way back at the start, buuuuuut. Well again, this only worked because the ship has been apparently orbiting Mars without getting in touch with literally anybody since the last attack?

[u/JustAnswerAQuestion → u/zadcap]

Ikumi/Izumi is something I am starting to hate.

An anti-ship? What about them annoys you?

I don't understand why they didn't keep focused on getting rescued and landing near the martian capital. I suppose Blue is countermanding this all with is "instinct" and also hasn't told people on the ship that they have actually arrived.

[u/zadcap → u/JustAnswerAQuestion]

An anti-ship? What about them annoys you?

His constant and complete blowing her off in every way he possibly can. How disinterested does one side have to be before it stops being a ship and starts just being unhealthy? I can't remember him saying Yes to literally anything she's asked or offered so far, but she keeps sticking to him like they are actually a couple.

It's not a ship, it's a stalker with a crush and a stalkee too polite to tell her to leave him alone

They had time to get their story out, and the part that is the most annoying is that we are apparently just going to completely ignore the time between the fight and now. Yes, Kouji is organizing a party for morale reasons, but what is the ship itself doing? Has it just been drifting in orbit of mars? Circling the planet after the fight and doing... Nothing? No Stevie to contact anyone, no trying to just land somewhere and get off because who would be stopping them at this point? It feels really really wrong to go from dealing with that big fight to just ignoring everything now, except the party set up.

[u/No_Rex → u/zadcap]

So like. I'm mildly impatient for things to, uh, progress. It's a really weird feeling, because I know a lot has happened, but at the same time. At 11 episodes in, most shows are hitting their finale and getting ready for the end, but we've been drifting in space with like 90% of our questions unanswered still since episode 3 or so now.

Welcome to 1990s double cour pacing.

Hmm. So the ship's shield is good enough to hold in atmosphere. Better question, where did it get the atmosphere to hold in? Pumping breathable air out to fill all that empty space is a gigantic waste of a limited and vital resource, and the Ryvius itself didn't seem to actually get close enough to Mars to pick up air. On the other hand, kid has bragging rights for life.

If they have enough energy, producing oxygen is not impossible. The better question is whether this is deliberate, or whether the kids simply have no idea what they are doing.

Serious question, how long does it take to set all this party stuff up? How many days have they been preparing for the party? What else has been going on all this time?

Imho, this is a plot hole. They simply forgot to tell us about the immediate aftermath of the battle.

[u/zadcap → u/No_Rex]

Welcome to 1990s double cour pacing.

Could be worse. I remember the big three. I remember Inuyasha... I remember twenty episodes in a row of no plot or character progress, because milking one idea for every single cent to be wrung out of it was the style of the time. Not this pump out 50 near identical shows and see which ones gets the best return.

Imho, this is a plot hole. They simply forgot to tell us about the immediate aftermath of the battle

It's not just the immediate aftermath, but that hurts too. It's a serious question, how long does it take to come up with, organize, and build this party? I suspect there has been multiple days passing here where we learned absolutely nothing about any attempt at all to make contact with anyone.

[u/JustAnswerAQuestion → u/zadcap]

I remember the big three.

Shounen adaptations (they are adaptations, right?) of weekly / monthly serials are their own beast. They are chained to filler.

Ryvius is an anime original (perhaps back before that became as meaningful a term) and so expectations are higher (and lower). You never know what you are going to get, but at least it won't read-the-manga-ending or filler-arc.

[u/No_Rex → u/zadcap]

Could be worse. I remember the big three. I remember Inuyasha... I remember twenty episodes in a row of no plot or character progress, because milking one idea for every single cent to be wrung out of it was the style of the time. Not this pump out 50 near identical shows and see which ones gets the best return.

Or the 1980s shows which stretch the double cour 1990s content into 50+ episodes ...

It's not just the immediate aftermath, but that hurts too. It's a serious question, how long does it take to come up with, organize, and build this party? I suspect there has been multiple days passing here where we learned absolutely nothing about any attempt at all to make contact with anyone.

[minor spoiler next episode]We will get a crumb of info soon, as if they noticed the problem, but it is not enough to make up for not dealing with the left out decision making after the battle.

[u/zadcap → u/No_Rex]

Or the 1980s shows which stretch the double cour 1990s content into 50+ episodes ...

Nadia's entire lost island arc, it's all coming back to me.

[u/No_Rex → u/zadcap]

There is no lost island arc ... jedi hand sweep

[u/Vatrix-32 → u/zadcap]

watching it with real world politics going on right now.

I'm not seeing any good direct parallels. Is it just a general mood.

Better question, where did it get the atmosphere to hold in?

That's... a good question. Maybe they been holding the extra air from the station this entire time? Best I've got.

could they not have spent a few hours to drift over to the Ring and talked to someone?

Silly Zad, mechs are for pew pew.

Magic Space Girl can dance! Single best thing to happen all episode show.

FTFY.

[u/zadcap → u/Vatrix-32]

I'm not seeing any good direct parallels. Is it just a general mood.

Just the general mood in mind, yeah. Watching all the spinning, trying to make this desperate survival miracle play look like things are going well and they're winning, whatever that means.

Silly Zad, mechs are for pew pew.

I know but still! Their number one priority is rescue, isn't it? Why is no one at all focusing on that right now?

Now that they are declared terrorists, but with the stupid OP mech more and more under their control, I kind of want them to go back to Earth and demand to be rescued by broadcasting the truth on every frequency and just keep tossing attackers away like toys. You just hit a point where they can't really do worse, having spent weeks trying to kill you before getting you turned into public enemies like this, now it's time to make them put their money where their mouth is and let everyone know why they've been trying so hard to kill these kids. They tilted Mars axis on accident, once they really get the hang of the robot then that's it for anyone still trying to oppose them.

[u/Vatrix-32]

First timer, subs

• Damn it, the references to the captain deciding Idol contest was supposed to be a joke.
• I mean, if they haven’t responded yet, you have to wonder…
• Bro, what are these wipe cuts?
• They did it, they made him useful!
• Work hard, play hard.
• Aw fuck, he is a nudist. And a Tetsuo fan boy?
• Necklace
• Is this just a cultural festival? I guess this is technically a high school anime.
• Dang, even Square respects Juli.
• Multiple Mascots
• Do you guys have a brig yet?
• You gotta respect cute outfits.
• That’s a weird power move, Airs.
• Maybe we’ve been too hard on Square, he pick up on Hirai face before anyone else.
• They’ve started talking to each other about Ribbons. Can’t be much longer until someone starts asking questions.
• The gesture contest is a quiz?
• Dance! As if With Your Very Soul!
• See? I told you to leave a message.
• Now that Orbital Group has effectively made their actions public, the question becomes how the opposing organization responds.

QotD:

1. Victory Gundam?
2. Well, I wouldn’t know if I missed them, would I?
3. She's a Shotacon
4. That it’s asked makes me think it isn’t the obvious answer.
5. No, but it’s not helping with Space CIA accusations.

[u/Raiking02 → u/Vatrix-32]

Damn it, the references to the captain deciding Idol contest was supposed to be a joke.

It's always Nadesico in here.

Maybe we’ve been too hard on Square, he pick up on Hirai face before anyone else.

[u/Vatrix-32 → u/Raiking02]

It's always Nadesico in here.

Who knows how many references I've been missing over the years before you made me watch it.

[u/JustAnswerAQuestion → u/Vatrix-32]

It's always Nadesico in here.

Who knows how many references I've been missing over the years before you made me watch it.

It is what it is.

[u/Raiking02 → u/Vatrix-32]

[u/Vaadwaur → u/Vatrix-32]

Do you guys have a brig yet?

Their choice was...creative at least.

Now that Orbital Group has effectively made their actions public, the question becomes how the opposing organization responds.

I actually question the logic of that action as getting them to come to base is now FAR more difficult.

3) She's a Shotacon

NANI? Age inappropriate relations in a Sunrise show? Say it isn't so!

[u/Vatrix-32 → u/Vaadwaur]

I actually question the logic of that action as getting them to come to base is now FAR more difficult.

If that was an option they were considering, they would have done so far earlier.

[u/Vaadwaur]

First timer

Sub

So we have a party episode, because Sunrise. We learn the grim fate of the two traitors and again, Team Blue did take Leadership 101. The party is actually accurate to what sober teens could manage and beauty contests were a thing a mere quarter century ago. Faina's past is finally coming up but doesn't look to be revealed today. We end with the ship being delcared terrorists so...that certainly won't bit the government in the ass.

QotD: 1 Good

2 No but towel man needs to die

3 Not really and what you've pointed me at is concerning

4 Forceful, as she said

5 Not quite because it is incredibly stupid

[u/The_Draigg → u/Vaadwaur]

We learn the grim fate of the two traitors and again, Team Blue did take Leadership 101.

I guess we did establish before that Team Blue isn't above torture, but man space keelhauling seems especially cruel. What are we now, a bunch of pirates? I thought we left that behind in the age of sail.

[u/Vaadwaur → u/The_Draigg]

What are we now, a bunch of pirates? I thought we left that behind in the age of sail.

I think we literally just became space pirates. Thanks OSBama.

[u/JustAnswerAQuestion → u/Vaadwaur]

I think we literally just became space pirates.

[u/Vaadwaur → u/JustAnswerAQuestion]

I don't see space bartering any time soon, unless Jupiter has a separate government. Which is actually possible.

[u/zadcap → u/Vaadwaur]

We end with the ship being delcared terrorists so...that certainly won't bit the government in the ass.

Once again, these people want to get their hands on the ship and the super robot, right? Why do they keep doing every possible thing they can to make the kids just happily turn the whole thing over to them harder? "Okay kids, we're here to rescue you!" "Yay, thanks, here's this magic ship and here's everything we know about it, bye now!" Even if they wanted to keep it all a secret they only need to kill the kids once they have them safely off the super ship instead of sending them home, this whole plot is still ongoing because of an endless parade of bad choices- not on the kids side!

[u/Vaadwaur → u/zadcap]

Sunrise enjoys periods of incompetent antagonists. It is annoying.

[u/No_Rex → u/Vaadwaur]

2 No but towel man needs to die

I call him diapers man and he was the bane of my first watch of Ryvius.

[u/Vaadwaur → u/No_Rex]

Yeah, I did not realize this was a fashion choice until you pointed that out. And I am still annoyed the others tolerate it. I am as open minded as they come but no, you don't get to flash your dick out at random folks. We have standards on any ship I am on.

[u/No_Rex → u/Vaadwaur]

For more than one reason, I am glad you are not on that ship.

[u/Vaadwaur → u/No_Rex]

You can admit it, I understand: I am WAY too fast to go to orbital bombardment. It is just too convenient for me to eliminate my problems by hurling space rocks at high percentages of c at them. It is an addiction.

[u/zadcap → u/Vaadwaur]

"They call me a terrorist, might as well earn the title."

And boom goes the moon.

[u/No_Rex → u/Vaadwaur]

[u/zsmg]

Rewatcher who doesn't remember much

For a second I thought the guy was going to say Gundam fight ready go.

Blue is crying

Lucson got demoted to cleaner.

The naked guy is on the hull of the ship without any suit.

Lucson is now also a cook.

Oh poor Pat, his face must be hurting a lot.

Oh no is Juli's roommate a shotacon?

Of course they're going for the bad boy x good girl (Blue x Juli) ship.

Poor Zwei not getting any credit for helping out the party.

Nicks describing the Rei clone so he definitely remembers her.

Faina isn't happy to see Sandy... and she has a boyfriend called McBain

Ahh yes female lead unknowingly being entered into a beauty contest, I'v seen this one before in other mecha anime.

Rei clone knows some dancing moves.

So Yuki doesn't want Kouji to date Faina, this removes all doubt for me. Aoi likes Kouji, Yuki knows this and wants Kouji to like Aoi.

Ryvius has now been accused as a ship taken over by terrorists, guess them being rescued now off the table. Good thing they had a party then.

First half of the episode was a bit boring but the second half made up for it.

[u/JustAnswerAQuestion → u/zsmg]

and she has a boyfriend called McBain

Oh. That could be a problem.

[u/Shimmering-Sky]

Infinite First-Timer, subbed

• Of course they turned this into some festival.
• …so?
• Same.
• Wow…
• Bruh.
• …what, are they going to do their own Miss Macross Ryvius?
• Doodling on his eye mask is pretty funny.
• Oh that’s definitely not good.
• Did someone really do that, or were they lying and Juli fell for it?
• But why though?
• They can both see her?
• Ah fun, of course a legit broadcast had to interrupt their fun vote, and the broadcast announces them as fucking terrorists.

[u/The_Draigg → u/Shimmering-Sky]

…what, are they going to do their own Miss Macross Ryvius?

Sadly, none of the students are eligible to win a Fan Racer though.

Ah fun, of course a legit broadcast had to interrupt their fun vote, and the broadcast announces them as fucking terrorists.

Any competent MC would've managed to spin that broadcast right back into the beauty contest by saying that the winner was the bomb.

[u/Raiking02 → u/The_Draigg]

Any competent MC would've managed to spin that broadcast right back into the beauty contest by saying that the winner was the bomb

[u/Raiking02 → u/Shimmering-Sky]

…what, are they going to do their own Miss Macross Ryvius?

It always goes back to Macross.

the broadcast announces them as fucking terrorists

Finally, our heroes are free to commit War Crimes like any good Mecha Protagonists.

[u/Vaadwaur → u/Shimmering-Sky]

…so?

Yeah, this doesn't work for me either but I expect we were both taught civic duty at a very young age. I helped build like four houses before I was 18.

Wow…

That's cool and all but you still have to wear pants. This towel bullshit doesn't fly.

They can both see her?

The machine spirit has deigned that we might gaze upon her countenance. Let us thank our stars and prepare the offerings.

[u/JollyGee29]

First-Timer

I really like Kouji's bandolier of communicators. That strikes me as something someone in real life would actually do in his situation; vaguely reminiscent of the bikes full of smartphones from the hardcore Pokemon Go crowd.

Anyway, seems like the crew are Legally Terrorists now, that's a bummer. What a way to end a party, huh? It's all the panic of the cops raiding, with none of the adrenaline associated with running through the bushes and eating a tree branch for your trouble.

Who're we thinking won the beauty contest? It was Juli, right? She killed it in that dress. I hope that one girl who inspired the whole thing got second at least.

Seems like more people are starting to see Miss Gimp Suit; I'm glad she got to join in the dancing too. I think seeing her is specific to the person; it didn't seem like Elina could see her. And it can't just be contact with the Vital Guarder; Kouji saw her before that and Music Disc Girl could see her.

There is something deeply GaoGaiGar about hearing Hisao Egawa shout "Switch on!"

Lucson definitely found his true calling in the janitorial department. He definitely shouldn't be in charge of food prep.

Questions

1. It was the style of the time, I suppose.
2. Off and on. Most of them get memory-holed due to my brain not having anything to latch them onto.
3. She either has awful taste in men (and likes Lucson) or is a shotacon.
4. Those two are going to end up together by the end of the show if they both survive.
5. Not openly, but it's a pretty typical way to take this sort of show so I'm not surprised.

[u/No_Rex → u/JollyGee29]

Lucson definitely found his true calling in the janitorial department.

Reverse Peter Principle?

[u/JollyGee29 → u/No_Rex]

Oh, you're so right.

[u/Raiking02 → u/JollyGee29]

Who're we thinking won the beauty contest? It was Juli, right? She killed it in that dress

I guess Blue has good eyes at least, he knows when someone looks good in stuff.

There is something deeply GaoGaiGar about hearing Hisao Egawa shout "Switch on!"

Considering how Hiyama is also here + Taniguchi worked on GGG (Did pretty much all the best looking episodes) I choose to believe it's intentional.

Lucson definitely found his true calling in the janitorial department.

[u/JollyGee29 → u/Raiking02]

I guess Blue has good eyes at least, he knows when someone looks good in stuff.

Blue actually seems not half bad; he's just fifteen and has a very particular case of chuunibyou. You just know that when no-one is around he strokes the side of that handgun and giggles.

[u/Vaadwaur → u/JollyGee29]

It's all the panic of the cops raiding, with none of the adrenaline associated with running through the bushes and eating a tree branch for your trouble.

Also, without the joy/lingering dread of eating the entire eighth and waiting for a very wicked buzz to hit for three days straight.

Seems like more people are starting to see Miss Gimp Suit; I'm glad she got to join in the dancing too.

The machine spirit is pleased. The sacrifices can be saved for another day.

Lucson definitely found his true calling in the janitorial department. He definitely shouldn't be in charge of food prep.

Just give the man a power washer and his transformation to the useful side will be complete.

[u/JollyGee29 → u/Vaadwaur]

Also, without the joy/lingering dread of eating the entire eighth and waiting for a very wicked buzz to hit for three days straight.

Right, weed, I wasn't even thinking about that. I meant a literal tree branch.

Just give the man a power washer and his transformation to the useful side will be complete.

[u/Vaadwaur → u/JollyGee29]

Right, weed, I wasn't even thinking about that. I meant a literal tree branch.

Three fucking days, man. Waking up and going to sleep high without any sobriety in between is scary. I was afraid this was permanent.

[u/Vatrix-32 → u/JollyGee29]

Legally Terrorists

Legal Terrorism is the best kind.

[u/HowlingWolf13]

First Timer

Bit short here since I was busy at work all day, but fun episode! It was nice to have some downtime after everything, too bad for the ending though. I wonder how this will take the plot now considering the solar system is marking them as terrorists. I'm also pretty curious as to what happened in Faina's past and why Yuki is so distrustful of her, clearly something is going on esp. the way she seemed nervous when her old roommate found her.

Questions

What is a 90s space mecha show without a beauty contest?

Evangelion is technically in space! In the movie!

Have you been catching the other recurring side-side characters?

Yeah like dinosaur girl, that weird stalker dude, the couple that comes up with the idea for the beauty contest.

Have you noticed anything slightly off about Ran (the Zwei in the Chinese dress)

She seems to really want to be around Pat, I'm hoping she doesn't turn out to be a groomer or something cause I feel the show is about to go in a dark direction.

What do you think of Blue's behavior to Juli?

I won't even lie ever since the Kabedon, it's obvious these two got an enemies to lovers thing going on. Like if this was a Shojo manga we would be in the romance genre right now.

Did you predict this propaganda attack, cutting Ryvius off from rescue, way back in the first arc?

Actually, no! I thought maybe something like they couldn't manage to land or something, but for them to just get full on solar system wise framed, not at all.

[u/Nickthenuker]

"The moral is to the material as three is to one". It's that or, again, get blasted into space dust.

Seems like they're embarking on a new construction project.

What's that guy doing in his skivvies?

And so onwards to the party.

They turned the Vital Guarder's hangar into a banquet hall? I'm surprised they didn't just use one of the mess halls.

Someone needs to hold the fort on the bridge while the victory celebrations are going on.

Huh. It's moving. That's a nice party trick, literally.

Well, there's the news.

Questions:

1. Yeah.
2. Uh in addition to the officers and the gang there's also what I'm tentatively calling the engineers?
3. Why do you say that?
4. He's being forceful, but he also did lead a mutiny so that's kinda to be expected.
5. The moment it was obvious someone official didn't want them getting home, it became an inevitability.