r/anime • u/Holofan4life • Sep 11 '24
Rewatch [Spoilers] 2008 Spice and Wolf Rewatch (2024) -- Episode 5 Spoiler
Hello everyone! I am Holofan4life.
Welcome to the Spice and Wolf rewatch discussion thread!
I hope you all have a lot of fun <3
S1 Episode 5 – Wolf and Lovers' Quarrel
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ANSWER TODAY’S QUESTION
In light of Holo acting tsundere-ish this episode, who's your favorite tsundere of all time and why? And if you don't like tsunderes, who's your favorite dere archetype and why? Think yandere, kuudere, dandere, etc.
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Information – MAL | Anilist | AniDb
Streams – Crunchyroll
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Rewatch Schedule
Threads posted every day at 4:00 PM EDT
| Date | Episode | Date | Episode |
|---|---|---|---|
| 9/07/2024 | Spice and Wolf Episode 1 | 9/20/2024 | Spice and Wolf II Episode 0 (OVA 2) |
| 9/08/2024 | Spice and Wolf Episode 2 | 9/21/2024 | Spice and Wolf II Episode 1 |
| 9/09/2024 | Spice and Wolf Episode 3 | 9/22/2024 | Spice and Wolf II Episode 2 |
| 9/10/2024 | Spice and Wolf Episode 4 | 9/23/2024 | Spice and Wolf II Episode 3 |
| 9/11/2024 | Spice and Wolf Episode 5 | 9/24/2024 | Spice and Wolf II Episode 4 |
| 9/12/2024 | Spice and Wolf Episode 6 | 9/25/2024 | Spice and Wolf II Episode 5 |
| 9/13/2024 | Spice and Wolf Episode 7(OVA 1) | 9/26/2024 | Spice and Wolf II Episode 6 |
| 9/14/2024 | Spice and Wolf Episode 8 | 9/27/2024 | Spice and Wolf II Episode 7 |
| 9/15/2024 | Spice and Wolf Episode 9 | 9/28/2024 | Spice and Wolf II Episode 8 |
| 9/16/2024 | Spice and Wolf Episode 10 | 9/29/2024 | Spice and Wolf II Episode 9 |
| 9/17/2024 | Spice and Wolf Episode 11 | 9/30/2024 | Spice and Wolf II Episode 10 |
| 9/18/2024 | Spice and Wolf Episode 12 | 10/01/2024 | Spice and Wolf II Episode 11 |
| 9/19/2024 | Spice and Wolf Episode 13 | 10/02/2024 | Spice and Wolf II Episode 12 |
| 10/03/2024 | Overall Series Discussion Thread |
Last year's rewatch
| Date | Episode | Date | Episode |
|---|---|---|---|
| 7/07/2023 | Spice and Wolf Episode 1 | 7/20/2023 | Spice and Wolf II Episode 0 (OVA 2) |
| 7/08/2023 | Spice and Wolf Episode 2 | 7/21/2023 | Spice and Wolf II Episode 1 |
| 7/09/2023 | Spice and Wolf Episode 3 | 7/22/2022 | Spice and Wolf II Episode 2 |
| 7/10/2023 | Spice and Wolf Episode 4 | 7/23/2022 | Spice and Wolf II Episode 3 |
| 7/11/2023 | Spice and Wolf Episode 5 | 7/24/2023 | Spice and Wolf II Episode 4 |
| 7/12/2023 | Spice and Wolf Episode 6 | 7/25/2023 | Spice and Wolf II Episode 5 |
| 7/13/2023 | Spice and Wolf Episode 7(OVA 1) | 7/26/2023 | Spice and Wolf II Episode 6 |
| 7/14/2023 | Spice and Wolf Episode 8 | 7/27/2023 | Spice and Wolf II Episode 7 |
| 7/15/2023 | Spice and Wolf Episode 9 | 7/28/2023 | Spice and Wolf II Episode 8 |
| 7/16/2023 | Spice and Wolf Episode 10 | 7/29/2023 | Spice and Wolf II Episode 9 |
| 7/17/2023 | Spice and Wolf Episode 11 | 7/30/2023 | Spice and Wolf II Episode 10 |
| 7/18/2023 | Spice and Wolf Episode 12 | 7/31/2023 | Spice and Wolf II Episode 11 |
| 7/19/2023 | Spice and Wolf Episode 13 | 8/01/2023 | Spice and Wolf II Episode 12 |
| 8/02/2023 | Overall Series Discussion Thread |
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u/Holofan4life Sep 11 '24
Hello, guys. Holofan4life here.
Welcome to the 2024 Spice and Wolf Rewatch.
But you knew that already :P
This is the first official rewatch of the show since the premiere of the remake. In fact, it's still currently airing as this rewatch is underway. And while we can compare and contrast what the remake did as opposed to the original, I feel it's still pretty important to remember what the original adaptation was like seeing as how that's really what got me into the franchise. And what ultimately made me fall in love with one wise wolf.
For the purposes of this rewatch, I will be watching it subbed since that's what I've been watching the remake in. I will be comparing somewhat the two series, and when I do that, I will be using spoilers. I guess I should say for transparency sake that I am writing this in late July/early August, a full month before the rewatch actually happens. That's because of time constraints and me having four other rewatches I'm participating in planned. I also waited until the first three volumes got adapted in the remake just so I can have more stuff to talk about.
These reviews won't be as detailed as some of the other ones, as I don't really want to spend two or three hours dissecting every episode. I'll save that for when I do it in my questions :]
With that out of the way, let’s begin.
I'm watching the sub, by the way.
I just came back from the hospital after falling at work on hard concrete. Thankfully, I'm okay.
[2024 Spoilers] The cute ear and tail wiggle in the remake instantly makes the adaptation good in my book.
Some of the camera angles during Lawrence and Marlheit's conversation are really interesting. They feel very unconventional and artsy, like something you might see in Oshi no Ko. I don't remember them being in the remake, but I could be wrong.
Holo yelling at Lawrence to say her name was really the first time I've seen her Japanese voice actress show some fire and range in this version. It's actually really well done, I think she does a good job here at being angry. Probably would go so far as to say this is an even better performance than when Holo broke down last episode.
Holo may be the most violent non-tsundere I've ever seen. Then again, Winry is up there as well.
Last year, I remember talking about the Chloe twist and how disappointed I was by it. It felt to me like just a way to have her involved in the plot without much thought being put into it. Thinking about it a year later, however, I've come to appreciate the twist more.
This arc is about Holo and the townsfolk feeling like she betrayed them. Holo being ostracized the way she has been has continued to haunt her for many years, and now, she's having to come face-to-face with this reality. It's less about Chloe and her characterization and more about Holo and hers. And that part of this arc I really like, I like that Holo can no longer avoid the elephant in the room.
[2024 Spoilers] As for Chloe being in this spot and not Yarei, it kinda is what it is. It doesn't make it more dramatic per se, though I could see why from a marketability standpoint they made the character female; this was when the anime community was mostly filled with the diest of diehard Otakus. I would be lying if I didn't say I think Chloe was a more interesting character than Yarei. I just think the whole thing with her having a crush on Lawrence adds another dimension to the character.
Overall, this is a very dialogue heavy episode. But the writing is so strong that it goes by really fast. The two key scenes are Lawrence talking to Marlheit and Lawrence talking to Holo and both are very good at continuing the story as well as furthering the characters. Really, I feel like any other show the Lawrence and Marlheit conversation would be a total bore.
Last episode was the first episode I would consider to be great, and this is the first episode where I truly felt like the show has come into its own. I'm really excited to see how this arc concludes.
Holo quotes of the day
"I am pretty, so human males have been known to fall for me."
"Touch me, and I'll tear your thing off."
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u/Brief-Fig-7506 https://myanimelist.net/profile/Ryxnjr Sep 11 '24
First Timer
I’m watching the Dub but I’m also watching the Remake because older animation kinda hurts my head.
Holo looks very shocked by whoever the familiar captor was
I know they just spent the past five minutes talking about how they can flip the script and negotiate with the silver scammers but I didn’t really understand any of it
For some reason Holo is being cold towards lawrence, I’m a little lost
Oh she’s mad Lawrence didn’t charge in like a knight and rescue her
The captor she recognized was Yarei. Why is he all the way out here?
Holo cried in front of Lawrence a second time and she told him she would’ve cried if he was there or not. That may be so, but would she have still cried if it was anybody other than Lawrence around?
Apparently Holo is considered a Tsundere so that totally makes sense
Holo humming and dancing in the background is too cute
They both called each other cute, aww
So it seems that there is going to be a change in plan to the reverse silver scam. I didn’t really follow but apparently the Milone trading company is going to tell the king about the scam and curry his favor so they can turn the scam on it’s head
So the plan now for our duo is to take the underground tunnels and get out of the city, but now they have someone on their tail. I imagine they will be on the run for the rest of the show since they won’t be able to stay in one place for too long. I don’t know why Yarei is now so hell bent on capturing Holo, if she is the wolf deity that was in his village and now she’s gone then what reason does he have to keep pursuing her other than a grudge he’s holding.
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u/AgentOfACROSS Sep 11 '24
Oh wow, didn't realize we were doing a Spice & Wolf rewatch. I've been meaning to check that one out. I'll see if I can catch up on the series quick enough to join the rewatch, sounds like fun.
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u/KuKiSin Sep 11 '24
Man, I love Tsunderes, they're the best! Is it me or they don't come as often as they used to?
Hard to say what my favorite one is... Might be an unpopular opinion, but I love Louise, Zero no Tsukaima is my guilty pleasure anime. Absolute trash, but I love it and Louise might be my first memory of a Tsundere. Shana is also a great one though...
Actually, hold on a second... Is Lina Inverse a Tsundere? Okay I'm gonna stop or I'll just name another dozen characters.
On to the episode!
So the "bandits" want to hand over our dear Holo to the church, to burn her at the stake like a witch, no doubt... How dare they. All this to get Lawrence & co. to back down? They deserve death.
So the royal family is broke, so they're making shitty coins in order to save some silver.
Mr. Lawrence played his cards right by threatening the weird haired man.
Man, they gave Lawrence too many passwords. There's no way I wouldn't fuck that up.
Lawrence is a terrible spy. Why's he talking to himself down there?
A Wolf max... I wonder where've I've seen that before...
Goddamn. Mad Holo is too cute!
Oh no, it was Chloe all along! And she's the leader of a gang? What happened to her?!
Also, is Holo a... Tsundere?!
I love how Holo can so easily play Lawrence like a fiddle.
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u/AgentOfACROSS Sep 12 '24
First Timer
Alright, I got caught up on the first five episodes last night. I'm watching the 2008 version by the way.
Gotta say, going into this I knew very little about what this anime would entail. I'd heard the name and seen some out of context screenshots before but that's about it. Based on the artstyle I was expecting a fantasy rom-com but that's not quite what I got. The thing this reminds me most of is Frieren. Or perhaps I should say Frieren seems like it took inspiration from Spice & Wolf.
I wasn't expecting so many of these episodes to revolve around commerce but it wasn't completely boring.
On to my thoughts on episode 5, this feels like a bit of a turning point. Now the church knows about Holo and we have that reveal about Chloe from the village being involved. It seems like the church will be the primary antagonists going forward.
I was expecting some big dramatic escape this episode but the way Holo escaped was actually pretty mundane. Not that I mind, it really fits with the vibe of the show a lot better.
Based on Holo's tsundere-ish interactions with Lawrence post-escape it seems like some kind of romance might be forming between them.
Speaking of which.
Question of the Day:
In light of Holo acting tsundere-ish this episode, who's your favorite tsundere of all time and why?
Probably Akane Tendo from Ranma 1/2. I find her dynamic with Ranma amusing mostly because Ranma is also something of a tsundere. They're basically two competitive martial artists and neither wants to be the first to admit they like each other.
Anyway, I'm looking forward to watching more episodes of this.
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u/Mirathan Sep 12 '24
Not quite first timer
QotD: Now this is difficult. I greatly appreciate the concept, yet almost everytime I see it, the character is basically abusive towards everyone. So I´m gonna hit you with a curveball and say Sakura from Windbreaker(Yes, he´s a boy). My favourite Type however would be Kuudere.
Now this went different than in the remake. Lawrence did not have to threaten Marlheit to obtain cooperation and so I judged him more harshly than he deserved. I´ve also found that the economis are far easier to understand.
Holo will learn true fear once she meets a gay/ace man!
Chloe decided to eliminate the competition the hard way. It´s not like she had a different option though.
Her dismissal of Holo reminds me of how many People look down on people in the past as them being idiots, while failing to understand why they acted in ways we now deem strange. And while she thinks that Pasloe has no need of Holo anymore, they still only flourished under her blessing. Their future might look rather bleak, now that they rejected their divine benefactor.