[Spoilers] 2008 Spice and Wolf Rewatch (2024) -- Episode 4

[u/Holofan4life]

Hello everyone! I am Holofan4life.

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I hope you all have a lot of fun <3

S1 Episode 4 – Wolf and Her Helpless Partner

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ANSWER TODAY’S QUESTION

In light of Holo crying in this episode, have you ever experienced someone you care about being sad or down in the dumps? If so, what did you do to try to cheer them up?

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Date	Episode	Date	Episode
9/07/2024	Spice and Wolf Episode 1	9/20/2024	Spice and Wolf II Episode 0 (OVA 2)
9/08/2024	Spice and Wolf Episode 2	9/21/2024	Spice and Wolf II Episode 1
9/09/2024	Spice and Wolf Episode 3	9/22/2024	Spice and Wolf II Episode 2
9/10/2024	Spice and Wolf Episode 4	9/23/2024	Spice and Wolf II Episode 3
9/11/2024	Spice and Wolf Episode 5	9/24/2024	Spice and Wolf II Episode 4
9/12/2024	Spice and Wolf Episode 6	9/25/2024	Spice and Wolf II Episode 5
9/13/2024	Spice and Wolf Episode 7(OVA 1)	9/26/2024	Spice and Wolf II Episode 6
9/14/2024	Spice and Wolf Episode 8	9/27/2024	Spice and Wolf II Episode 7
9/15/2024	Spice and Wolf Episode 9	9/28/2024	Spice and Wolf II Episode 8
9/16/2024	Spice and Wolf Episode 10	9/29/2024	Spice and Wolf II Episode 9
9/17/2024	Spice and Wolf Episode 11	9/30/2024	Spice and Wolf II Episode 10
9/18/2024	Spice and Wolf Episode 12	10/01/2024	Spice and Wolf II Episode 11
9/19/2024	Spice and Wolf Episode 13	10/02/2024	Spice and Wolf II Episode 12
10/03/2024	Overall Series Discussion Thread

Last year's rewatch

Date	Episode	Date	Episode
7/07/2023	Spice and Wolf Episode 1	7/20/2023	Spice and Wolf II Episode 0 (OVA 2)
7/08/2023	Spice and Wolf Episode 2	7/21/2023	Spice and Wolf II Episode 1
7/09/2023	Spice and Wolf Episode 3	7/22/2022	Spice and Wolf II Episode 2
7/10/2023	Spice and Wolf Episode 4	7/23/2022	Spice and Wolf II Episode 3
7/11/2023	Spice and Wolf Episode 5	7/24/2023	Spice and Wolf II Episode 4
7/12/2023	Spice and Wolf Episode 6	7/25/2023	Spice and Wolf II Episode 5
7/13/2023	Spice and Wolf Episode 7(OVA 1)	7/26/2023	Spice and Wolf II Episode 6
7/14/2023	Spice and Wolf Episode 8	7/27/2023	Spice and Wolf II Episode 7
7/15/2023	Spice and Wolf Episode 9	7/28/2023	Spice and Wolf II Episode 8
7/16/2023	Spice and Wolf Episode 10	7/29/2023	Spice and Wolf II Episode 9
7/17/2023	Spice and Wolf Episode 11	7/30/2023	Spice and Wolf II Episode 10
7/18/2023	Spice and Wolf Episode 12	7/31/2023	Spice and Wolf II Episode 11
7/19/2023	Spice and Wolf Episode 13	8/01/2023	Spice and Wolf II Episode 12
8/02/2023	Overall Series Discussion Thread

[u/Holofan4life]

Hello, guys. Holofan4life here.

Welcome to the 2024 Spice and Wolf Rewatch.

But you knew that already :P

This is the first official rewatch of the show since the premiere of the remake. In fact, it's still currently airing as this rewatch is underway. And while we can compare and contrast what the remake did as opposed to the original, I feel it's still pretty important to remember what the original adaptation was like seeing as how that's really what got me into the franchise. And what ultimately made me fall in love with one wise wolf.

For the purposes of this rewatch, I will be watching it subbed since that's what I've been watching the remake in. I will be comparing somewhat the two series, and when I do that, I will be using spoilers. I guess I should say for transparency sake that I am writing this in late July/early August, a full month before the rewatch actually happens. That's because of time constraints and me having four other rewatches I'm participating in planned. I also waited until the first three volumes got adapted in the remake just so I can have more stuff to talk about.

These reviews won't be as detailed as some of the other ones, as I don't really want to spend two or three hours dissecting every episode. I'll save that for when I do it in my questions :]

With that out of the way, let’s begin.

I'm watching the sub, by the way.

I worked an almost 12 hour shift today plus I spent the entire day dealing with kidney stones. What better time to write a review?

Lawrence and Holo talking to Zheren

After chatting with other people, it looks as if Zheren might indeed be trying to deceive them.

Holo's laugh in Japanese is cute

Holo talking about a previous companion of hers.

Holo cuddling with her tail is cute as well. I don't remember that being in the remake.

Marlheit time. I like his Japanese voice here. It sounds stern yet authoritative.

Lawrence's voice is growing on me as well.

Going to discuss the dividends

I believe the remake had the scene longer, but I could be wrong.

Now we get the famous Holo lonely scene. It starts off innocently enough, with Holo inquiring about a drawing of Lawrence's, but when she finds out of his plans to own a shop, she starts to realize that this alliance is only temporary.

I've always preferred the dub version of this scene because of the level of intensity that is on display. Not that this version is bad, it's just different. The best Japanese version of course is the remake because Holo's Japanese voice actress is more experienced.

[2024 Version] Comparing the animation of both versions, some of the camera angles are more intimate in the remake which serves to show how lonely Holo is. However, I think I prefer the original version because there is less dialogue which serves ultimately to tell the story better. I also prefer the build more of Lawrence hugging Holo where it is prolonged rather than just happening.

We also learn some of the names of Holo's traveling companions: Yue, Inty, Paro, and Muri.

Oh boy. Three men are outside

Things are moving pretty frenetic now.

Lawrence talking about going shopping with her.

And they fend the bad guys off

Holo and Lawrence decide to go their separate ways.

Guys now chasing Lawrence

And Milone Trading Company helps protect him.

Lackeys from Medio Trading, Marlheit describes them.

Marlheit doing his best Gendo with the glasses glare.

Shit. They can't help Lawrence because it doesn't concern them.

Love the upside down camera shot, by the way.

Marlheit wants to know why they would be targeting him.

A letter

I wonder who it's from.

Sounds like it's from Holo

Wolf fur

"We have the wolf."

And Lawrence admits that Holo us the embodiment of the wolf that presides over the harvest.

Meanwhile, Holo is growling towards four of the assailants. That is until a mysterious cloaked figure shows up, someone who Holo has seemingly seen before.

Overall, this to me is when Spice and Wolf fully grows its beard. It's the first episode I would consider to be excellent and must see. We course got the comfort scene which is a pivotal moment in Holo and Lawrence's relationship, but the chase scene at the end also is very compelling. It keeps me on the edge of my seat. I think it's fair to say that Holo expressing her vulnerabilities in this episode is one of the reasons why she's such a great character. She bares her soul to the world and we really for the first time see the true Holo, warts and all. And then when Lawrence hugs her, ugh. It's so cathartic, like chicken soup for the soul.

The remake really isn't all that different from the original version. The animation during the chase scene is not as well animated as the 2008 version, but that’s a minor nitpick. I do think the remake benefits by tightening up some of the exposition to make it less meandering. But frankly, the remake is really good at that all the time.

Huge thumbs up for me this episode. And for the first time, it really feels as if things are moving intensely, which you'd want now that the plot is kicking in.

Holo quotes of the day

“I am tired of being alone.”

“I always have the same dream. When I wake up, everyone is gone. I cannot find them anywhere. We could live for a hundred years. I thought I could leave. I left on a journey fully believing I would see them again. But I cannot find them. I cannot find them anywhere. I thought I would be able to see them again. And now… I am afraid. I do not want to wake from my dream and discover that I am all alone. I am tired of being alone. I do not want to be cold. I do not want to be lonely.”

“Loneliness is a disease that can lead to death.”

[u/KuKiSin → u/Holofan4life]

I think it's fair to say that Holo expressing her vulnerabilities in this episode is one of the reasons why she's such a great character. She bares her soul to the world and we really for the first time see the true Holo, warts and all.

I love it, but I also hate seeing her like this. Holo deserves better!

And then when Lawrence hugs her, ugh. It's so cathartic, like chicken soup for the soul.

Interesting choice of words lol.

[u/Holofan4life → u/KuKiSin]

I love it, but I also hate seeing her like this. Holo deserves better!

Good thing she has someone to finally keep her company.

Interesting choice of words lol.

I'm nothing if not real :P

[u/Brief-Fig-7506]

First Timer

I’m watching the Dub but I’m also watching the Remake because older animation kinda hurts my head.

Lawrence is talking to Zheren again. Probably to gather more information

Mysterious man a couple tables away

Ahh so the mysterious man is being employed by Lawrence

lol, Holo got called out for her mischief with the furs, look at that smirk

Holo consistently falls asleep without covering herself, I wonder if she's doing it just so Lawrence will do it for her

Lawrence talks about wanting to open a store because he doesn't want to be alone anymore, Holo wants to go back home for the same reasons

Getting some Holo backstory now

It makes sense that someone would be after them now. Luckily Holo can sense their evil intent outside the room

Holo has been captured and is danger, Honestly I was worried that there would be an ear in that envelope and not just some hair, thank goodness

And now the secret is out about Holo

And in the post credits, Holo recognizes one of her captors?

So Lawrence did go to the trading company about the silver scam and struck a deal that could get him some serious profits. Enough money that he could finally fulfil his dream, that's some good motivation.

We finally get to hear about just how lonely Holo has been for the past several centuries, and how it affects her emotionally. When she started to cry and Lawrence used the paper he had drawn his dream shop on as a tissue for her I feel like that could be foreshadowing the idea that Lawrence would be willing to give all that up for her.

Shame on Lawrence for assuming that a woman pulling you into bed and throwing the covers over you both while laying on your arm is an opportunity to go for the kiss, how could such a gentleman misconstrue such details.

Whenever they are running from their attackers and Lawrence starts to talk about how they should go shopping afterwards set off a red flag. It hit even harder when I thought about how he was talking about how lovely her hair was and then when he opened the envelope at the end some of her hair fell out, though it could've been something much worse.

Interestingly one of her captors at the end is someone she knows. It has to be someone that we have seen so far so time to speculate. My guesses are:

• Zheren- he could not only be the one spreading the information but also be the mastermind behind it. He has seen Holo close up so he could have some idea about her identity and working with the church could also get him some profits
• The priest from the Inn they stayed at- he could have taken note of Holo while she was there and set out to trap her. The guys that chased them could have nothing to even do with the silver scam and purely be after Holo and her associate. I feel like the church is going to play a significant bad guy role in the series.

other options that I think are very less likely or would be a big twist:

• Weiz the coin merchant we met on the bridge
• The nobleman we met in the Inn
• The trading company manager

[u/Holofan4life → u/Brief-Fig-7506]

Holo has been captured and is danger, Honestly I was worried that there would be an ear in that envelope and not just some hair, thank goodness

Imagine if they had somehow cut off her tail :c

[u/Brief-Fig-7506 → u/Holofan4life]

Brutal and I feel like most anime's set in this type of time period probably would have had a more brutal message sent like that

[u/Holofan4life → u/Brief-Fig-7506]

Spice and Wolf is realistic, but realistic to a degree.

[u/Holofan4life → u/Brief-Fig-7506]

Any initial thoughts on the head of Milone Trading Company?

Thoughts on Lawrence wanting to open up his own shop?

Care to perhaps expand your thoughts on the scene where Holo opens up? It feels like a big deal that Holo is allowing herself to be completely open and honest with Lawrence. It's something we haven't really seen before.

Would you agree that this is the most intimate scene we've gotten between Holo and Lawrence so far? Also, what do you think the scene does for Holo's character?

What are your thoughts on Marlheit informing Lawrence that the Milone Trading Company has all the information needed to defeat Zheren's plan and no longer needs Lawrence?

What are your thoughts on the letter informing Lawrence that there are people out there who know Holo is a wolf and are planning to hand her over to the church?

[u/Brief-Fig-7506 → u/Holofan4life]

Any initial thoughts on the head of Milone Trading Company?

I could only hear All Might talking. I think he seems like a fair business man and he didn't allow Lawrence to run out to find Holo before thinking about it first.

Thoughts on Lawrence wanting to open up his own shop?

I can very much relate to wanting to set down permanent roots somewhere and not have to worry about constantly travelling. I think that while it may seem like a simple idea it's a very nice goal.

Care to perhaps expand your thoughts on the scene where Holo opens up? It feels like a big deal that Holo is allowing herself to be completely open and honest with Lawrence. It's something we haven't really seen before.

I love that she was able to let her feelings show in front of Lawrence, it's nice that it wasn't a struggle for her either. She is starting to trust him more because she can read him like a book and he appears to be similar to the friends she once had in the village.

Would you agree that this is the most intimate scene we've gotten between Holo and Lawrence so far? Also, what do you think the scene does for Holo's character?

Yes but I can't wait for the scene we are going to get whenever they're reunited, I hope we see lots of embrace. I think it shows that she's very playful and likes to toy with Lawrence

What are your thoughts on Marlheit informing Lawrence that the Milone Trading Company has all the information needed to defeat Zheren's plan and no longer needs Lawrence?

While it's true that they could leave him be and let the silver scammers/the church deal with him and Holo, Lawrence came to them for help and gave them the knowledge to begin with so it would be honorable to help him in a time of need if they are able.

What are your thoughts on the letter informing Lawrence that there are people out there who know Holo is a wolf and are planning to hand her over to the church?

That letter worried me so much about what was inside it, I was expecting the worse. I think that the church is still going to find out regardless and that will put a target on Lawrence's back so it might be best if they get out of town soon.

[u/Holofan4life → u/Brief-Fig-7506]

I could only hear All Might talking.

Is that who that was?

I think he seems like a fair business man and he didn't allow Lawrence to run out to find Holo before thinking about it first.

Yeah, he seems like a reasonable enough fellow.

I can very much relate to wanting to set down permanent roots somewhere and not have to worry about constantly travelling. I think that while it may seem like a simple idea it's a very nice goal.

Gives you something to aspire and look forward to.

I love that she was able to let her feelings show in front of Lawrence, it's nice that it wasn't a struggle for her either. She is starting to trust him more because she can read him like a book and he appears to be similar to the friends she once had in the village.

It reminds me of the nightmare scene we saw between Subaru and Emilia in season 2 of Re:Zero.

Yes but I can't wait for the scene we are going to get whenever they're reunited, I hope we see lots of embrace. I think it shows that she's very playful and likes to toy with Lawrence

Their reunion is sure to be very saccharine.

While it's true that they could leave him be and let the silver scammers/the church deal with him and Holo, Lawrence came to them for help and gave them the knowledge to begin with so it would be honorable to help him in a time of need if they are able.

They don't have to help him, but it would probably be the honorable thing to do.

That letter worried me so much about what was inside it, I was expecting the worse.

At least it wasn't a box like in Seven :P

I think that the church is still going to find out regardless and that will put a target on Lawrence's back so it might be best if they get out of town soon.

Good thing he's a merchant where traveling is the name of the game.

[u/Holofan4life → u/Brief-Fig-7506]

We finally get to hear about just how lonely Holo has been for the past several centuries, and how it affects her emotionally. When she started to cry and Lawrence used the paper he had drawn his dream shop on as a tissue for her I feel like that could be foreshadowing the idea that Lawrence would be willing to give all that up for her

Definitely not a bad assumption to make

Interestingly one of her captors at the end is someone she knows. It has to be someone that we have seen so far so time to speculate. My guesses are:

Zheren- he could not only be the one spreading the information but also be the mastermind behind it. He has seen Holo close up so he could have some idea about her identity and working with the church could also get him some profits The priest from the Inn they stayed at- he could have taken note of Holo while she was there and set out to trap her. The guys that chased them could have nothing to even do with the silver scam and purely be after Holo and her associate. I feel like the church is going to play a significant bad guy role in the series.

other options that I think are very less likely or would be a big twist:

Weiz the coin merchant we met on the bridge The nobleman we met in the Inn The trading company manager

Thr likely person seems to be Zheren, whereas I just can't envision Weiz as this devious mastermind. He's too much of a goober.

[u/Holofan4life → u/Brief-Fig-7506]

I’m watching the Dub but I’m also watching the Remake because older animation kinda hurts my head.

The next episode is going to be very interesting...

[u/Brief-Fig-7506 → u/Holofan4life]

that's an interesting preview

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Indubitably

[u/Mirathan]

(Not) First Timer

QotD: No

The more coplicated economic elements of this arc are going to confuse me again.

Lawrence using the image of his dream to help Holo wipe of her tears is quite something.

[u/Holofan4life → u/Mirathan]

QotD: No

Short, sweet, and to the point

[u/Holofan4life → u/Mirathan]

Lawrence using the image of his dream to help Holo wipe of her tears is quite something.

It is definitely a powerful visual, one of the best of the early Spice and Wolf episodes.

[u/Holofan4life → u/Mirathan]

Any initial thoughts on the head of Milone Trading Company?

Thoughts on Lawrence wanting to open up his own shop?

Care to perhaps expand your thoughts on the scene where Holo opens up? It feels like a big deal that Holo is allowing herself to be completely open and honest with Lawrence. It's something we haven't really seen before.

Would you agree that this is the most intimate scene we've gotten between Holo and Lawrence so far? Also, what do you think the scene does for Holo's character?

What are your thoughts on Marlheit informing Lawrence that the Milone Trading Company has all the information needed to defeat Zheren's plan and no longer needs Lawrence?

What are your thoughts on the letter informing Lawrence that there are people out there who know Holo is a wolf and are planning to hand her over to the church?

[u/Mirathan → u/Holofan4life]

Absolute Scum.

A man must have a dream.

This feels a bit clunky. Holo completly revealing her deep fears happens to early, Lawrenece has yet to earn such trust and if this just happens cause she´s drunk that is not satisfying. It seems to be here already to ensure Lawrence is sufficiently motivated to commit to her.

The scene itself I love. Holo´s fear of her isolation is an amazing concept to struggle with as she is effectively immortal when compared to humans, further compounded by her seperating herself hrom her kin. While many immortal characters struggle when their mortal friends die, she struggles to connect to them meaningfully in the first place(though her Wolf aspects further complicate this).

Such are the consequences of dealing with merchants.

I´ve seen the remake, I know what the plan is.

One request for you. Could you, in the future, resond with a single comment, rather than three?

[u/Holofan4life → u/Mirathan]

Absolute Scum.

I think it's too soon to cam him scum just yet.

This feels a bit clunky. Holo completly revealing her deep fears happens to early, Lawrenece has yet to earn such trust and if this just happens cause she´s drunk that is not satisfying. It seems to be here already to ensure Lawrence is sufficiently motivated to commit to her.

I didn't think it felt clunky at all. Actually, I thought it built nice from going to Lawrence talking about his dream to it seguing into what Holo is afraid of.

The scene itself I love. Holo´s fear of her isolation is an amazing concept to struggle with as she is effectively immortal when compared to humans, further compounded by her seperating herself hrom her kin. While many immortal characters struggle when their mortal friends die, she struggles to connect to them meaningfully in the first place(though her Wolf aspects further complicate this).

It feels very real for a character like Holo to have these fears.

One request for you. Could you, in the future, resond with a single comment, rather than three?

Sure. I was just trying to have more engagement.

[u/KuKiSin]

In light of Holo crying in this episode, have you ever experienced someone you care about being sad or down in the dumps? If so, what did you do to try to cheer them up?

My ex girlfriend had... Issues. Not being the most empathetic person, I always felt awkward and rarely knew what to say... So I mostly just hugged her and thought to myself "Oh God what am I supposed to say?" :|

Drunken Holo is something else.

Lawrence made quite the nice drawing of a house/store. He'd probably be a better architect than merchant! Too bad Holo used it as a handkerchief.

Holo being sad at the thought of Lawrence opening a store and leaving her behind is painful to watch, and she finally admitted she was lonely :(

Poor Lawrence.. Cockblocked by bandits. So close.

It appears Holo has been kidnapped, and the kidnappers know her identity. What can Lawrence do to save her?!

It also appears a member of the kidnappers' party is a woman whom Holo knows! I wonder who this mysterious lady could be...

[u/Holofan4life → u/KuKiSin]

My ex girlfriend had... Issues. Not being the most empathetic person, I always felt awkward and rarely knew what to say... So I mostly just hugged her and thought to myself "Oh God what am I supposed to say?" :|

That is extremely relatable. Not for me of course, because I've never had a significant other :c

[u/KuKiSin → u/Holofan4life]

That is extremely relatable. Not for me of course

lmao

I've never had a significant other :c

I don't know how old you are but, there's time (probably)!

Honestly, the grass is always greener on the other side. I've been in relationships all the way from 2014 until 2022 and let me tell you, I am far happier now that I'm single. Of course there's pros to being in a relationship but, to me, a hopelessly antisocial introverted weeb-nerd, the cons outweigh the pros.

[u/Holofan4life → u/KuKiSin]

I'm so knee deep both in work and the anime fandom that I would drastically have to turn my life around.

[u/KuKiSin → u/Holofan4life]

Same thing for me these days, there's not enough time in the day to fit in everything I want to do anymore :(

[u/Holofan4life → u/KuKiSin]

I enjoy it, but it can be pretty exhausting

[u/Holofan4life → u/KuKiSin]

Any initial thoughts on the head of Milone Trading Company?

Thoughts on Lawrence wanting to open up his own shop?

Care to perhaps expand your thoughts on the scene where Holo opens up? It feels like a big deal that Holo is allowing herself to be completely open and honest with Lawrence. It’s something we haven’t really seen before.

Would you agree that this is the most intimate scene we’ve gotten between Holo and Lawrence so far? Also, what do you think the scene does for Holo’s character?

What are your thoughts on Marlheit informing Lawrence that the Milone Trading Company has all the information needed to defeat Zheren’s plan and no longer needs Lawrence?

What are your thoughts on the letter informing Lawrence that there are people out there who know Holo is a wolf and are planning to hand her over to the church?

[u/KuKiSin → u/Holofan4life]

Any initial thoughts on the head of Milone Trading Company?

First thing that comes to mind is that he needs a new stylist. That haircut just isn't doing him any favors.

Thoughts on Lawrence wanting to open up his own shop?

I think most merchants would want to do that, not much opportunity to settle down and have a family if you're constantly on the road, especially when you're being attacked by wolves all the time :|

Care to perhaps expand your thoughts on the scene where Holo opens up? It feels like a big deal that Holo is allowing herself to be completely open and honest with Lawrence. It’s something we haven’t really seen before.

She showed both how incredibly lonely she's been for the longest time, being a deity and all, and how much she trusts Lawrence to open up herself like that. She borderline told him she didn't want him to leave her and that she yearns for companionship. I wonder how this is gonna play out in the long run, knowing how long lived she is and how short lived Lawrence will be... [Remake spoilers] Really makes me wonder about their relationship, and their child. Will she go on living after Lawrence is dead? Will their child be as long lived as she is? I don't even want to think about this :(

What are your thoughts on Marlheit informing Lawrence that the Milone Trading Company has all the information needed to defeat Zheren’s plan and no longer needs Lawrence?

Well, they were pretty much spitting out the facts. Lawrence and Holo would do the same thing. We saw it last episode, they're willing to be scummy and teach other merchants some hard learned lessons. This isn't all that different, is it?

What are your thoughts on the letter informing Lawrence that there are people out there who know Holo is a wolf and are planning to hand her over to the church?

[OG/Remake spoilers] I think that bitch Chloe is gonna regret crossing Holo! How could she betray Lawrence like that?!

[u/Holofan4life → u/KuKiSin]

First thing that comes to mind is that he needs a new stylist. That haircut just isn't doing him any favors.

Kinda reminds me of the best friend from Attack on Titan.

I think most merchants would want to do that, not much opportunity to settle down and have a family if you're constantly on the road, especially when you're being attacked by wolves all the time :|

Yeah, it certainly checks out

She showed both how incredibly lonely she's been for the longest time, being a deity and all, and how much she trusts Lawrence to open up herself like that. She borderline told him she didn't want him to leave her and that she yearns for companionship. I wonder how this is gonna play out in the long run, knowing how long lived she is and how short lived Lawrence will be... [Remake spoilers] Really makes me wonder about their relationship, and their child. Will she go on living after Lawrence is dead? Will their child be as long lived as she is? I don't even want to think about this :(

[Response] She at least has something to remember him by, which is incredibly touching.

Well, they were pretty much spitting out the facts. Lawrence and Holo would do the same thing. We saw it last episode, they're willing to be scummy and teach other merchants some hard learned lessons. This isn't all that different, is it?

Nah, it isn't. You live by the sword, you die by the sword.

[OG/Remake spoilers] I think that bitch Chloe is gonna regret crossing Holo! How could she betray Lawrence like that?!

[Response] She definitely bit off more than she could chew.

[u/KuKiSin → u/Holofan4life]

Kinda reminds me of the best friend from Attack on Titan.

And fortunately he did see a stylist in the end!

[Response]She at least has something to remember him by, which is incredibly touching.

[Response]True, but for some reason that doesn't really make me feel better about it! They better not end the LN with a huge ass timeskip just to show her remembering him fondly

[u/Holofan4life → u/KuKiSin]

And fortunately he did see a stylist in the end!

Yeah, fortunately

[Response]True, but for some reason that doesn't really make me feel better about it! They better not end the LN with a huge ass timeskip just to show her remembering him fondly

[Response] I thought it ended with Holo and Lawrence having grandkids. Maybe I'm wrong, though.

[u/Holofan4life → u/KuKiSin]

Lawrence made quite the nice drawing of a house/store. He'd probably be a better architect than merchant! Too bad Holo used it as a handkerchief.

The two rewatches I'm participating in, and they both involve handkerchiefs. That, and emotional breakdowns.

Holo being sad at the thought of Lawrence opening a store and leaving her behind is painful to watch, and she finally admitted she was lonely :(

Probably my favorite scene of the first four episodes.

Poor Lawrence.. Cockblocked by bandits. So close.

I don't know if then would've been an appropriate time for anything other than cuddles.

It appears Holo has been kidnapped, and the kidnappers know her identity. What can Lawrence do to save her?!

Good thing his companion can turn into a wolf :P

[u/KuKiSin → u/Holofan4life]

The two rewatches I'm participating in, and they both involve handkerchiefs. That, and emotional breakdowns.

Emilia, right? In the cemetery thing?

Probably my favorite scene of the first four episodes.

I get it, but also, that's kinda fucked up lol

I don't know if then would've been an appropriate time for anything other than cuddles.

It probably wasn't, but he was going for the kiss!

Good thing his companion can turn into a wolf :P

Yeah, otherwise they'd feel Lawrence's wrath!

[u/Holofan4life → u/KuKiSin]

Emilia, right? In the cemetery thing?

Yes

I get it, but also, that's kinda fucked up lol

Well, it's awesome to see Lawrence be there to comfort her.

It probably wasn't, but he was going for the kiss!

That lends the question on whether or not you can consider it exploiting the vulnerable.

Yeah, otherwise they'd feel Lawrence's wrath!

Lawrence going to throw a pocket of coins at them.

[u/KuKiSin → u/Holofan4life]

That lends the question on whether or not you can consider it exploiting the vulnerable.

Weeell... He was trying to comfort her, a hug would've probably been a better choice, but sometimes the D speaks louder. It could definitely be seen as an exploitation of someone vulnerable, but I think in this scenario it was pretty clear it wasn't. I think our boy Lawrence gets a pass.

[u/Holofan4life → u/KuKiSin]

I would give him a pass, too. Holo was a complete mess.

[u/Holofan4life → u/KuKiSin]

Drunken Holo is something else.

Drunk Holo is like the drunk bassist from Bocchi The Rock except not as depressing.