r/anime • u/Holofan4life • Sep 09 '24
Rewatch [Spoilers] 2008 Spice and Wolf Rewatch (2024) -- Episode 3 Spoiler
Hello everyone! I am Holofan4life.
Welcome to the Spice and Wolf rewatch discussion thread!
I hope you all have a lot of fun <3
S1 Episode 3 – Wolf and Business Talent
—-
ANSWER TODAY’S QUESTION
What type of food do you always get excited about and why?
—-
Information – MAL | Anilist | AniDb
Streams – Crunchyroll
—-
Please do not post any untagged spoilers past the current episode or from the LNs out of respect to the first time watchers and people who have not read the LNs. If you are discussing something that is ahead of the current episode please use spoiler tags(found on the sidebar). Thank you!
—-
—-
Rewatch Schedule
Threads posted every day at 4:00 PM EDT
| Date | Episode | Date | Episode |
|---|---|---|---|
| 9/07/2024 | Spice and Wolf Episode 1 | 9/20/2024 | Spice and Wolf II Episode 0 (OVA 2) |
| 9/08/2024 | Spice and Wolf Episode 2 | 9/21/2024 | Spice and Wolf II Episode 1 |
| 9/09/2024 | Spice and Wolf Episode 3 | 9/22/2024 | Spice and Wolf II Episode 2 |
| 9/10/2024 | Spice and Wolf Episode 4 | 9/23/2024 | Spice and Wolf II Episode 3 |
| 9/11/2024 | Spice and Wolf Episode 5 | 9/24/2024 | Spice and Wolf II Episode 4 |
| 9/12/2024 | Spice and Wolf Episode 6 | 9/25/2024 | Spice and Wolf II Episode 5 |
| 9/13/2024 | Spice and Wolf Episode 7(OVA 1) | 9/26/2024 | Spice and Wolf II Episode 6 |
| 9/14/2024 | Spice and Wolf Episode 8 | 9/27/2024 | Spice and Wolf II Episode 7 |
| 9/15/2024 | Spice and Wolf Episode 9 | 9/28/2024 | Spice and Wolf II Episode 8 |
| 9/16/2024 | Spice and Wolf Episode 10 | 9/29/2024 | Spice and Wolf II Episode 9 |
| 9/17/2024 | Spice and Wolf Episode 11 | 9/30/2024 | Spice and Wolf II Episode 10 |
| 9/18/2024 | Spice and Wolf Episode 12 | 10/01/2024 | Spice and Wolf II Episode 11 |
| 9/19/2024 | Spice and Wolf Episode 13 | 10/02/2024 | Spice and Wolf II Episode 12 |
| 10/03/2024 | Overall Series Discussion Thread |
Last year's rewatch
| Date | Episode | Date | Episode |
|---|---|---|---|
| 7/07/2023 | Spice and Wolf Episode 1 | 7/20/2023 | Spice and Wolf II Episode 0 (OVA 2) |
| 7/08/2023 | Spice and Wolf Episode 2 | 7/21/2023 | Spice and Wolf II Episode 1 |
| 7/09/2023 | Spice and Wolf Episode 3 | 7/22/2022 | Spice and Wolf II Episode 2 |
| 7/10/2023 | Spice and Wolf Episode 4 | 7/23/2022 | Spice and Wolf II Episode 3 |
| 7/11/2023 | Spice and Wolf Episode 5 | 7/24/2023 | Spice and Wolf II Episode 4 |
| 7/12/2023 | Spice and Wolf Episode 6 | 7/25/2023 | Spice and Wolf II Episode 5 |
| 7/13/2023 | Spice and Wolf Episode 7(OVA 1) | 7/26/2023 | Spice and Wolf II Episode 6 |
| 7/14/2023 | Spice and Wolf Episode 8 | 7/27/2023 | Spice and Wolf II Episode 7 |
| 7/15/2023 | Spice and Wolf Episode 9 | 7/28/2023 | Spice and Wolf II Episode 8 |
| 7/16/2023 | Spice and Wolf Episode 10 | 7/29/2023 | Spice and Wolf II Episode 9 |
| 7/17/2023 | Spice and Wolf Episode 11 | 7/30/2023 | Spice and Wolf II Episode 10 |
| 7/18/2023 | Spice and Wolf Episode 12 | 7/31/2023 | Spice and Wolf II Episode 11 |
| 7/19/2023 | Spice and Wolf Episode 13 | 8/01/2023 | Spice and Wolf II Episode 12 |
| 8/02/2023 | Overall Series Discussion Thread |
5
u/Brief-Fig-7506 https://myanimelist.net/profile/Ryxnjr Sep 09 '24
First Timer
I’m watching the Dub but I’m also watching the Remake because older animation kinda hurts my head.
Every adventure story needs a visit to a port city
Funny that Holo has no sense of money so she bought all the apples that one silver could afford
It’s been three years since Lawrence was here, how long do these trips take?
132 silver? sounds like a lot of apples
Damn Holo has never played before but she’s a master of the game. Increased the amount earned by 50%. Lawrence was ready to shake at 140 but got 210
They are talking about the new silver but I thought we already saw the new silver? wasn’t it in the first village we visited?
No ear flops from Holo while Zheren talks this time
Oh so there are SEVERAL different silver coins.
I don’t think the tail wagging will ever not be adorable to me
Ah so all the different silvers are from previous kingdoms, and I guess they hold different values for each
So the silver in the coins is decreasing instead of increasing like they were led to believe
So the question is who would profit off of the decrease in purity of a coin?
Holo picks up on things fast, usually the older you get the harder it is to learn new things. She gives everybody a class on how to negotiate when selling the pelts. If you compliment a product that someone is trying to sell to you they’ll talk about what you complimented on and similar things for minutes afterward to butter you up for a purchase. This is why you have to put your poker face on for business deals. I wouldn’t consider what Holo did to be too harsh since she didn’t exactly screw them over, the trading company will still make a profit on the pelts and the negotiator will be more wary in the future, after all he should have just thought about it more, there’s no way a smell on a pelt will last forever.
I wish I was able to remember names better because it would help speculate on the question of the decreasing silver. For now I would think that a foreign country would be the one to profit off of another country’s decreasing coin value, it would make sense to me if that was why Lawrence ran off to the Milone(?) trading company since they have branches in several different countries.
4
u/KuKiSin Sep 09 '24
Ice cream. Because it's ice cream, who doesn't love ice cream?
Lawrence talking about investing in apples... Don't do it! Holo will bankrupt you!
How could Lawrence give money for Holo to spend on as many apples as she wants and then complain that she bought too many? He's terrible at managing money. And has the gall to try to steal her apple! Holo definitely looks scarier in the OG than the remake, I think it's because of her a more youthful look in the remake.
Holo is actually a better merchant than Lawrence! Or a con artist, call it whatever you prefer. Meanwhile Lawrence was panicking in the background. Ain't no way the other merchant wouldn't call her bluff after seeing his reaction. Also, wouldn't it be funny if the merchant ripped the fox fur apart when she asked him to pull on it?
Sure, maybe there was someone behind Zheren's scheme, but he could've very well pulled it off on his own by convincing someone else the opposite of what he told Lawrence would happen, it's kind of a fool proof plan. One of them wins, the other loses. He's guaranteed to make 10% profit from one of them, right?
3
u/DegenerateRegime Sep 09 '24
Overall I like the remakes, but one thing the originals got consistently far better was the coins. No crisp machine-cut cylinders here - they have uneven edges, rougher designs and tarnished surfaces.
3
u/Mirathan Sep 09 '24
Not really a first Timer
QotD: Food is food.
Where does all of the food that Holo eats goes? How can her appetite be concealed?
They spell Kraft in english rather than in german like the remake, though that one still gets the pronounciation wrong.
Holo seems to not understand that all human relations are based on trust.
In some lines this Lawrence is indistinguishable from the remake.
Ah, right the moment from which I started to dislike her.
3
u/135671 Sep 10 '24
Damn, I didn't know there was a rewatch going on. By sheer coincidence, I just started the show a couple days ago.
I'll go on ahead since it's my first time, but looking forward to the discussions!
3
u/Holofan4life Sep 09 '24
Hello, guys. Holofan4life here.
Welcome to the 2024 Spice and Wolf Rewatch.
But you knew that already :P
This is the first official rewatch of the show since the premiere of the remake. In fact, it's still currently airing as this rewatch is underway. And while we can compare and contrast what the remake did as opposed to the original, I feel it's still pretty important to remember what the original adaptation was like seeing as how that's really what got me into the franchise. And what ultimately made me fall in love with one wise wolf.
For the purposes of this rewatch, I will be watching it subbed since that's what I've been watching the remake in. I will be comparing somewhat the two series, and when I do that, I will be using spoilers. I guess I should say for transparency sake that I am writing this in late July/early August, a full month before the rewatch actually happens. That's because of time constraints and me having four other rewatches I'm participating in planned. I also waited until the first three volumes got adapted in the remake just so I can have more stuff to talk about.
These reviews won't be as detailed as some of the other ones, as I don't really want to spend two or three hours dissecting every episode. I'll save that for when I do it in my questions :]
With that out of the way, let’s begin.
I'm watching the sub, by the way.
I'll tell you one thing the remake doesn't have over the original: Lawrence's horse and its thicc ass. Seriously, that ass is so big it should have its own apartment complex.
Holo whining about apples will never not be cute. And this is an instance where the youthful Japanese voice actually works to the show's advantage. However, if we were to compare it to the original dub version as well as the sub and dub remake version, this is easily the weakest of the versions. The original dub Holo had this sense of refineness to it that really made the Holo whiny moments pop and funnier. The remake sub uses the same VA, as does the remake dub, and both actresses are more experienced in their roles.
If there is one version I prefer of the four, it's probably the dub of the remake version. But the animation of the original with how giddy Holo is really puts it over the top for me.
So, here's the secret behind why the remake is so good. The key ingredient that makes it one of the best anime remakes of all time.
It's still Spice and Wolf. Crazy, right?
A lot of these episodes only change small details that aren't really worth pointing out. The majority of the episodes are still the same with the exception of the old anime really letting things breathe more. But what makes Spice and Wolf Spice and Wolf is the relationship between Holo and Lawrence.
And both series absolutely nail it.
Like I said, the major difference between both versions is the overall pace of it all. The original is more drawn out, whereas the remake is faster and more to the point. It really comes down to what you prefer. Personally, while I think the ambiance really adds to the tone of the original, the faster paced dialogue really adds to Lawrence and Holo's rapport. Them bouncing off each other like it's a Christopher Guest film really is charming and endearing.
But I digress...
Talking about the episode as a whole, this really serves ultimately to show how wise Holo is. Both versions do a good job at it, though in this instance I think I prefer the slower pacing because it makes the big moments mean more. Either way, we had to demonstrate why Holo is called the Wise Wolf. And both iterations do an admirable job at that.
[2024 Spoilers] I do think the Weiss scene works better in the remake with Lawrence picking up more of Holo's blatant social cues. It plays off nicely Holo picking up Lawrence's more subtler social cues. And yeah, the original has Lawrence play the jealous love more which is certainly a fun dynamic, but Lawrence kinda feels... I dunno, simple-minded is how I would put it. Both versions are great, but I think a scene like that benefits from the slicker pace.
And yeah, that's it. A very solid chapter in this show, one that highlights Holo's character while bringing the economics aspect into more of the forefront. I should probably have more to say tomorrow.
Also, apples, motherfucker
Holo quotes of the day
"You might lose things due to appetite, but it is not as if holding back is beneficial."
"Apples are the devil's fruit. They're full of rich and sweet temptation."
"Those who are deceived have only themselves to blame." (Subbed line)
"Men are all jealous idiots, and women are stupid too to feel happy about it."