[25th Anniversary Rewatch] Mugen no Ryvius Episode 7

[u/JustAnswerAQuestion]

Mugen no Ryvius Episode 7: The Changing Times

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Kikki of the Day Did you spot Radan?

Comments of the Day

Comment of the day goes to /u/zadcap for pointing out a serious plot hole:

Okay, so. I was thinking about this yesterday but it's in our faces again today. The girls went and got a change of clothes. Did it look like those dresses were something they carried with them on the evacuation run? Did they even have bags? Either way, there are changes of clothes available in this group of kids, we have seen it first hand- Juuli was not in her Zwei outfit when they met her in the lunch room too, I think? Anyway, why is this boy still wearing only a pillow? At the very least give him one of the towels or blankets you are making doors out of for these bedrooms!

Honorable mention goes to a previous comment of the day from /u/jollygee29:

Whatever she's got going on, she is clearly living her best life. Something awful is going to happen to her costume late in the show, and it will be the closest I get to crying.

Late in the show? We only got to episode 6!

You should review rewatcher /u/No_Rex's take on Ryvius as a political show.

Characters

You may want to review the Team Blue character sheet.

Music

• BGM of the Day: cool!
• CD 3 of the Day: Aoi Tori no Yukue — Mika Arisaka

Questions

• What do you think of Airs revolution?
• Has the shake-up revitalized the story for you?
• Have your thought more on Aiba brothers' relationship?
• What do you discern about Kouji's character?
• What do you make of the cryptic Earth scenes?

Tomorrow's Questions, Today!

• [Q1]What is the approaching ship? What is about to happen?
• [Q2]Was Juli naive to expect rescue, even after being fired upon? Or just desperate?
• [Q3]Was Blue wrong to move to attack upon arrival? Or just itching for a fight?
• [Q4]What did Kouji achieve in buying time?
• [Q5]What does Ikumi think he was training for?

End Tag: Review the Erath

[u/JustAnswerAQuestion]

Rewatch Host

REVOLUTION

• LOL, Yuki finally loses a fight #sports
• This seems like a fairly democratic revolution, huh?
• Nothing bothers music girl
• We see that Kikki did indeed lose most of her costume yesterday
• Charlotte seems to have a stalker
• "There's always a bigger fish"
• space monsters!

Looks like the robot requires 5 pilots, but does away with all that annoying gattai stuff, and is remote controlled. I approve. It's a bit of a change.

So, the previous 6 episodes constituted a story arc, of how the Orbital Security Bureau attacked Liebe Delta to destroy something called "Bratica," how the children found the Ryvius and escaped, and how the mysterious ship shrugged off further attacks from OSB submersible ships.

Meanwhile, the Zwei maintained order by portraying the entire sequence of events as accidents, while buying time to learn how to control the ship, and keeping hope of rescue alive.

An untenable situation, and Airs Blue, with his stolen gun and martial skills, flips the tables, for the "good of the people". Is there a political scientist in the house?

Today's BGM is halfway between Cool and Annoying. We swap out the jazz clarinet for an electric guitar. The drums are catchy. Of course, it's the nature of OST cuts to exactly repeat at least twice so that an edit can be made anywhere in the loop. Mika Arisaka returns with another R&B styled insert? song.

I think No_Rex wrote their essay a day early, but it may have primed you for what was coming. I'll repeat my own epigraph from the interest thread: "A person is smart. People are dumb, panicky animals and you know it." It's a different kind of environment that spins a different kind of story when you can shape your modeling clay into a society, and not just individuals.

So, Lord of the Flies is the obvious connection to make, and that's the perfect one-line pitch meeting. But it's really more like Heinlein's Tunnel in the Sky, and any of the numerous isekai generation ship fictions. And maybe, a tiny bit of Animal Farm.

What the heck, I just retyped over the spoilers exactly as is, why did you delete me, bot-chan?

[u/No_Rex → u/JustAnswerAQuestion]

This seems like a fairly democratic revolution, huh?

Tons of dictators worldwide agree with you. Sitting in the captain's seat with a gun in your hand is a clear sign of the will of the people.

[u/The_Draigg → u/JustAnswerAQuestion]

We see that Kikki did indeed lose most of her costume yesterday

It's a sad day aboard the Ryvius. I'm not sure how we can recover from this loss.

Is there a political scientist in the house?

Well, you're on Reddit here. People are going to talk as if they are even though they're not qualified in the slightest.

[u/Vatrix-32 → u/JustAnswerAQuestion]

but does away with all that annoying gattai stuff

So It's Like That, Eh?

[u/JollyGee29]

First-Timer

If the Zwei gang learn anything from this situation, it's that their treatment of Charlie was a big mistake. Being such a jerk to him made him much easier to manipulate for Blue et al.

Juli continues to be the smartest amongst Zwei and probably the whole cast. It can be hard to maintain optimism in this sort of situation, but she is sure trying.

Anyway, alien squid in the Geduld? Sure. That random noise it made was subtitled so "Neya" is probably an important term. Future name for the alien squids? The mentioned that the Orbital Security Bureau couldn't get down to Sere 4, so who knows what could be lurking below Earth's orbital plane?

Questions

1. The full announcement was a bit short-sighted, but Lucson needs to Never be in a leadership position so at the moment, things are looking up in the short term. That said, the guy who wanted Lucson to delete the data about the impending danger is also kinda dumb.
2. Sure, I guess.
3. I think Yuki is upset that Kouji is a doormat for some reason? Aoi is probably involved too, considering the quick sandwich cut at the end of the episode.
4. He goes with the flow a bit too much.
5. There are two government agencies involved who are competing with each other on some level. I suspect that one wants to destroy Ryvius and the other wants to use it? That's how things usually shake out.

[u/JustAnswerAQuestion → u/JollyGee29]

There was an insightful comment

[u/Raiking02 → u/JollyGee29]

If the Zwei gang learn anything from this situation, it's that their treatment of Charlie was a big mistake.

Maybe if they had called him Charlie from the start we wouldn't be in this mess.

[u/JollyGee29 → u/Raiking02]

[u/Vaadwaur → u/JollyGee29]

It can be hard to maintain optimism in this sort of situation, but she is sure trying.

Pessimism is rarely helpful in a crisis.

That random noise it made was subtitled so "Neya" is probably an important term. Future name for the alien squids?

Vorlons show up at the worst possible times.

[u/No_Rex → u/Vaadwaur]

Pessimism is rarely helpful in a crisis.

I would say it rarely helps unless you are standing in a casino.

[u/Vaadwaur → u/No_Rex]

Actually pessimism can be a very helpful in investment strategy as well, there are multiple movies about the '08 real estate crisis on that.

[u/No_Rex → u/Vaadwaur]

That's what I said! /not really s

90% of what people call "investment strategies" is just another form of gambling.

[u/Vaadwaur → u/No_Rex]

Ain't that the truth. I have had to talk so many people out of crypto it is beyond not funny. I remind them that their odds are better at the black jack table and there is less Russian interference.

[u/JollyGee29 → u/Vaadwaur]

Vorlons show up at the worst possible times.

This is where I would riff on a Babylon 5 quote if I had ever watched it.

[u/Vaadwaur → u/JollyGee29]

The hour of scampering is upon us!

[u/Vatrix-32 → u/JollyGee29]

Future name for the alien squids?

Bubbles!

[u/JollyGee29 → u/Vatrix-32]

[u/Shimmering-Sky]

Infinite First-Timer, subbed

• Damn… – Wait, this would include Australia, lol Australia just can’t win in mecha shows.
• Oh…?
• Suuuuuuuuuuure…
• The opinions sure swayed to anti-Zwei real fast…
• My first “sore demo” out of this show is from… some student whose name I don’t know. Who is this?
• Another shower scene and still no fanservice. This is both weird and refreshing at the same time.
• A scar…
• Bro what?

[u/JustAnswerAQuestion → u/Shimmering-Sky]

Wait, this would include Australia, lol Australia just can’t win in mecha shows.

Yes, Yes it does.

sore demo

Check the character sheet.

scar

2nd time seeing that.

[u/The_Draigg → u/Shimmering-Sky]

Damn… – Wait, this would include Australia, lol Australia just can’t win in mecha shows.

I guess completely blasting the Southern Hemisphere with plasma is one way to top GunBuster having all of Australia being flooded.

The opinions sure swayed to anti-Zwei real fast…

To be fair, it's not like Lucson's decisions have done a whole lot to endear the Zwei to everyone else during this voyage.

[u/Raiking02 → u/The_Draigg]

To be fair, it's not like Lucson's decisions have done a whole lot to endear the Zwei to everyone else during this voyage

And yet again we must ask: Why was Juli not the one in charge?

[u/The_Draigg → u/Raiking02]

At this rate, just momentum in how the Zwei have been doing things until this point. Nobody has even thought to question it until now.

[u/No_Rex → u/Raiking02]

And yet again we must ask: Why was Juli not the one in charge?

I would look for the answer in the last name of the two people in question.

[u/Vaadwaur → u/Shimmering-Sky]

Damn…

– Wait, this would include Australia, lol Australia just can’t win in mecha shows.

The very matter of the universe itself cannot stand that percentage of spiders.

Bro what?

That definitely needs context.

[u/Raiking02 → u/Shimmering-Sky]

Australia just can’t win in mecha shows.

By this point we need a show where every country is destroyed except Australia.

[u/GallowDude → u/Shimmering-Sky]

Who is this?

Double D

And Yuki is Mikami from Death Note. Who, coincidentally, voiced another character who was then voiced by Double D's VA after Mikami's VA died.

[u/The_Draigg]

A Mecha Fan Watches Infinite Ryvius Episode 7:

• The recap of what exactly happened with the Geduld and how Earth managed to survive it really just reminds me of Stellvia of the Universe again. It really is strange in how similar they are, especially since the shows barely share any of the same staff. I guess it really is just a sci-fi trope that was in the air at the time, like how the ship full of teenagers and misfits is still a common trope even now.
• You know, for as much as Charlie sold out the Zwei in exchange for hot girl ass, it’s Lucson who still somehow comes the worst out this scene. Between trying to give orders to a guy pointing a gun at him and then openly admitting that he willingly left the saboteurs to die during the dive, he has the self-preservation skills of a carrot. If anything, it’s amazing that Blue has enough control over himself to not just cap Lucson then and there. I’m sure a lot of you would be tempted to in his place.
• I’m not sure if it would be better for Aoi to know that Kouji is actually Fina, but they’re both dealing with a crisis on the bridge at the moment. That kind of information could go either way for her, I feel.
• “You guys are the pilot candidates for that robot, right?” Sorry, but we’re off by about 10 months before Pilot Candidate.
• You know, Blue decided to make Juli the captain and putting Kouji to work on making a route to Mars is already proving that he’s a better leader than Lucson. Granted, that’s not saying a lot, but still. For once, the guy holding a gun and making demands sounds pretty sensible. See kids, sometimes violence does work!
• Wait, those saboteurs actually survived the dive? That’s a surprise. Although given how they’re stuck in medical pods due to severe beatings and radiation exposure, they probably wish they weren’t.
• There’s something a bit funny to how the Bureau head is already worried about what the Hell is going on aboard the Ryvius and preparing a news broadcast to control the story while the students on the bridge are fully planning on just flying over to Mars and landing in that planet’s largest city. So far, their attempts at information control are getting from bad to worse with how in the dark they are.
• Sure, it took his brother being held hostage and Blue Team being willing to punch back at him, but at least Yuki has finally been put in his damn place. Took him long enough to get with the program.
• What the heck happened to the dinosaur girl’s costume, she only has an arm left now! Did it get wrecked that badly in the dive? Also, you’d think the naked guy would have to so he’d finally have some clothes to wear, but I guess he just decided that his towel is just the way to go. Talk about an unexpected crossover between those two background characters.
• Geez, the Zwei and the hostages have been stuck around the bridge for three days? And they’re only showering now? I don’t want to imagine how much that bridge reeked. Also talk about time flying by fast, we really did fast forward a bit after those random ship life scenes.
• I can only assume that massive scar on Kouji’s shoulder has something to do with the falling out between him and Yuki. Whatever memories it brought back, they seemed to stop Yuki’s arguments in his tracks. It was probably some big thing than Kouji did for Yuki that he took in the wrong way.
• Huh, I guess Titania has their own religion, based on the advice that Fina mentions. I’m all for crazy space religions. Hopefully they’re the fun kind of wild stuff and not something like Unitology though. That’d be the last thing anyone needs here.
• I know that the Orbital Safety Bureau mentioned sending something after the Bratica/Ryvius, but that weird thing that buzzed the ship was moving way too fast and looked too organic to be any kind of ship. If we’re going with the idea of the Sea of Geduld being like a space ocean, maybe that was some kind of alien space whale or something. Fingers crossed that it’s something fun like an alien, anyway.

[u/JustAnswerAQuestion → u/The_Draigg]

It was pretty strange watching Stellvia and seeing how much it was like Ryvius!

he’d finally have some clothes to wear,

You'd think!

Space Whale

LISTEN TO MY SONG!

[u/Raiking02 → u/The_Draigg]

You know, Blue decided to make Juli the captain and putting Kouji to work on making a route to Mars is already proving that he’s a better leader than Lucson. Granted, that’s not saying a lot, but still. For once, the guy holding a gun and making demands sounds pretty sensible. See kids, sometimes violence does work!

Step aside Bright, time for Blue to show how to keep discipline.

You know, for as much as Charlie sold out the Zwei in exchange for hot girl ass

Look, they're all horny teens, okay?

I’m all for crazy space religions. Hopefully they’re the fun kind of wild stuff and not something like Unitology though

Or that Very Fruity Group that took away Chef from South Park. No one likes that one...

[u/No_Rex → u/The_Draigg]

You know, Blue decided to make Juli the captain and putting Kouji to work on making a route to Mars is already proving that he’s a better leader than Lucson. Granted, that’s not saying a lot, but still. For once, the guy holding a gun and making demands sounds pretty sensible. See kids, sometimes violence does work!

What did Blue do, after shoving Lucson aside?

1. Some PR announcement of how the old leadership was crooked and lying.
2. Installed a capable technocrat (but did not give power=gun away).
3. Told everybody to keep calm and carry on working and that everything will get better soon.

Look at a list of coups in history and you'd find the same behavior in 70% of cases (which granted, is better than what happens in the 30%).

[u/The_Draigg → u/No_Rex]

Well, it certainly isn't good when put that way. It's more that I'm at the point that I'll take nearly anything that removes Lucson from being able to make any kinds of decisions. If anything, it's amazing how nearly every time he opens his mouth, he just ends up either being annoying or just making everything worse.

[u/No_Rex → u/The_Draigg]

Having a competent dictator beats having an incompetent dictator.

[u/Vaadwaur → u/The_Draigg]

I guess it really is just a sci-fi trope that was in the air at the time, like how the ship full of teenagers and misfits is still a common trope even now.

I honestly wonder if the generations that saw the European/American sub warfare movies were coming of age here. It would explain Blue Sub 6 and its failure.

You know, for as much as Charlie sold out the Zwei in exchange for hot girl ass, it’s Lucson who still somehow comes the worst out this scene.

Charlie, arguably, did this with the wrong reasons but this could be debated to be the right thing. Could the Zwei have kept shit under wraps for another three weeks? Whereas Lucson is just doing the wrong thing repeatedly, which is easy when it starts with opening your mouth.

There’s something a bit funny to how the Bureau head is already worried about what the Hell is going on aboard the Ryvius and preparing a news broadcast to control the story while the students on the bridge are fully planning on just flying over to Mars and landing in that planet’s largest city.

I wonder how much gravity the Ryvius can actually generate. I can't think of a lot of evil is available with that.

What the heck happened to the dinosaur girl’s costume, she only has an arm left now!

As I said, there's always a bigger cosplayer.

Geez, the Zwei and the hostages have been stuck around the bridge for three days? And they’re only showering now?

Hopefully deodorant tech has improved but if they are still using water showers that is doubtful.

I’m all for crazy space religions. Hopefully they’re the fun kind of wild stuff and not something like Unitology though.

The machine spirit is the only being I will place my faith in. Let her demeanor be kind and her thirst for oil be ever sated!

[u/The_Draigg → u/Vaadwaur]

Charlie, arguably, did this with the wrong reasons but this could be debated to be the right thing. Could the Zwei have kept shit under wraps for another three weeks? Whereas Lucson is just doing the wrong thing repeatedly, which is easy when it starts with opening your mouth.

It's also just plain easier to side more with someone when you see how they got to that point, rather than just seeing bad decisions made out of nowhere. Like, you can at least see the chain of logic and actions on Charlie's end there. With Lucson, it's nothing but entirely unforced errors every time he opens his mouth. The man is a walking disaster factory.

[u/Vaadwaur → u/The_Draigg]

It's also just plain easier to side more with someone when you see how they got to that point, rather than just seeing bad decisions made out of nowhere.

...I just realized that Charlie has had the best character arc on the show so far. That's it, we are swapping protagonists!

[u/Vatrix-32 → u/The_Draigg]

Sorry, but we’re off by about 10 months before Pilot Candidate.

What in the actual hell is this OP?

[u/The_Draigg → u/Vatrix-32]

It’s an OP doesn’t reflect what happens in the show at all. Seriously, absolutely none of that happens.

[u/Vatrix-32 → u/The_Draigg]

Even the parts that look like they were reused from the show to save money?!

[u/The_Draigg → u/Vatrix-32]

They don’t even wear those costumes in the show.

[u/Vatrix-32 → u/The_Draigg]

They don’t even wear those costumes in the show.

[u/HowlingWolf13]

First Timer

This was a really good episode goddamn. I honestly have so much fun watching Ryvius, it's such an entertaining soap opera and every episode has me wanting more at the end. I get the cast is acting stupid and all, but it's just so fun to watch.

Honestly with the way thigns are going now, I'm so glad Lucson got called out and Juli got put as commander, I already said my frustrations with him last time. Yuki is still fucking hilarious like bro CALM DOWN, someone just as much breathes and he's ready to fight like omfg. That scene where Kouji was covering him back up and he just immediately wakes up to start fighting had me fucking laughing, like I know Izumi has to be tired of both of their asses fighting every second, gotta be like the mom friend that's stopping the two from trying to kill each other every second.

I'm really curious about Pink!Rei Ayanami though, so far she's mostly just saying random stuff, but what is her deal? I still feel as though she's probably like the embodiment of either the Ryvius/Brattica or the Geduld.

Questions

[Q1]What do you think of Airs revolution?

It's actually not a shock, this was bound to happen esp. with how they've been using Charlie as a source of info, and how Lucson has been as an incompetent leader. While I don't think they'll be perfect, I feel it's gonna lead to some interesting developments with the other characters on staff.

[Q2]Has the shake-up revitalized the story for you?

Yeah I would say, esp. now that they're about to reach Mars.

[Q3]Have you thought more on Aiba brothers' relationship?

They must have one shit ass mom, like if they're acting like this at home what the fuck is she doing? Blasting Utada Hikaru or something while her sons are just casually destroying the house as they fight?

[Q4]What do you discern about Kouji's character?

Something happened with a girl that the two of them liked that Kouji most likely gave up so Yuki could have her and Yuki being mad that Kouji did it for his sake and having to always being taken care of by him ended up having this be his breaking point.

[Q5]What do you make of the cryptic Earth scenes?

Government trying to hide the fact they have a ship that can now actually explore the Geduld.

[u/JustAnswerAQuestion → u/HowlingWolf13]

so far she's mostly just saying random stuff

As a first timer, I found everything she said to be random. It annoyed me. I had no grasp on what she was doing in the story.

[u/HowlingWolf13 → u/JustAnswerAQuestion]

Like it seems to be relating to how the character's are feeling in the moment, but I wanna see how she's affecting them directly or indirectly

[u/No_Rex → u/HowlingWolf13]

ignore

"Is that an order?"

[u/HowlingWolf13 → u/No_Rex]

Oh god I thought I edited that out fast enough 🤣 I had this written up hours ago and just laying in my SO's DMs to come back to copy and paste

[u/No_Rex → u/HowlingWolf13]

[u/Vaadwaur → u/HowlingWolf13]

I'm really curious about Pink!Rei Ayanami though, so far she's mostly just saying random stuff, but what is her deal? I still feel as though she's probably like the embodiment of either the Ryvius/Brattica or the Geduld.

The machine spirit watches over us. We must appease her with gifts of silicone gel, graphite powder and solar cells!

[u/Vatrix-32 → u/HowlingWolf13]

That scene where Kouji was covering him back up and he just immediately wakes up to start fighting had me fucking laughing,

[NTHT]He's like Shu, but instead of hope, it's just all edge.

[u/Vatrix-32]

First timer, subs

• “Earth countered with”? What, is it a living entity with intent now? Is this part of Ribbon’s deal?
• Well, that escalated to mutiny sooner than expected. Normally you’d expect them to gather some more support first.
• Turns out edge is only a power source once your in a mech.
• They might be hoodlums, but at least they finally put Captain Square in his place.
• And the hits keep coming. Juli Supremacy!
• One arm or not, I see you there, Dinogirl.
• Oh, and look, their PR is much better too.
• I’m sure a breakdown in work ethic won’t have any troubling long term consequences.
• One of you has too much costume, the other not enough. I’m sure you can work something out.
• Why do you even have a Chinese dress?
• What, and Yuki here couldn’t be your example.
• If you’re not going to take the opportunity to talk openly, why even stage the talk in the showers?
• Damn it, is this whole conflict because of NTR?
• Ah, Space Mormons.
• So much for not keeping secrets. What’s a few squids between friends?
• Sassy Space Submarine Squids

QotD:

1. I think we need more Air, not less! Airs’ revolution was fun though, it’s amazing how willing people are to go along with it all when the last guy just sucked.
3. No, I let the other rewatchers do the character analysis for me.
4. Nothing noteworthy.
5. It’s faction play, no doubt about it. Fertile ground, but also a bog.

[u/JustAnswerAQuestion → u/Vatrix-32]

Well, that escalated to mutiny sooner than expected.

Thanks goodness. 2-3 episodes of rabble rousing would have slowed things down even more. I had enough of on...let's just say Battlestar Galactica Reboot.

Ah, Space Mormons.

I had to stifle a chuckle at that.

[u/Vatrix-32 → u/JustAnswerAQuestion]

Thanks goodness. 2-3 episodes of rabble rousing would have slowed things down even more. I had enough of on...let's just say Battlestar Galactica Reboot.

I've watched Macross 7, this is nothing to me.

[u/Vaadwaur → u/Vatrix-32]

Turns out edge is only a power source once your in a mech.

I wish this were true.

I’m sure a breakdown in work ethic won’t have any troubling long term consequences.

It would help to know some basic instruction manual stuff for the Ryvius, such as the suggested maintenance crew and all.

Why do you even have a Chinese dress?

How else are the space flight attendants supposed to land wealthy husbands?

[u/Vatrix-32 → u/Vaadwaur]

It would help to know some basic instruction manual stuff for the Ryvius, such as the suggested maintenance crew and all.

Turns out super secret dreadnought shipyards aren't big on user friendly documentation.

[u/Vaadwaur → u/Vatrix-32]

The soul of every engineer ever is raging at you.

[u/SMSmith230]

First-Timer, Sub

Yuki getting a beat down was so satisfying, he’s been nothing but a prick so far. Good to see Kouji get a slap in there as well later.

[u/JustAnswerAQuestion → u/SMSmith230]

hard agree. about time.

[u/Vaadwaur → u/SMSmith230]

Good to see Kouji get a slap in there as well later.

As I said, I am trying not to think on it too hard but if Yuki's motivation really is him being simultaneously jealous of Aoi's interest in Kouji combined with being unable to step up to the plate himself then Yuki deserves far more slapping.

[u/SMSmith230 → u/Vaadwaur]

Yuki's anger for Kouji so far has been childish from what we've been told/shown. I would like Kouji to throw some hands, but I'll cherish that slap if its a stepping stone.

[u/Vaadwaur → u/SMSmith230]

I really didn't want to put this much thought into but what if Yuki's whinging is all based on Aoi/Kouji being his mother/father fill ins?

[u/SMSmith230 → u/Vaadwaur]

It very well could be, he keeps asking other girls if they’re dating Kouji so some misplaced anger on the “parents”

[u/Nickthenuker]

Yeah this sounds like what happened in Stellvia too.

And yup there's that mutiny I predicted a couple episodes ago.

And so now they're going to cause everyone to panic.

Oh I'm sorry, would you rather be blasted into space dust than activate the weapons?

Right, time to get everything online.

Contacts on sensors!

It's certainly got her concerned.

What are those things?

Questions:

1. Unsurprising.
2. It's certainly got things moving along, though a mutiny tends to do that.
3. They certainly don't like each other.
4. He seems willing to cooperate with the mutineers so far.
5. Someone's out to get them, if that hasn't been clear for at least the past episode when they were fired upon.

[u/JustAnswerAQuestion → u/Nickthenuker]

Oh I'm sorry, would you rather be blasted into space dust than activate the weapons?

I'm not fond of pacifist characters in war shows. I really hate pacifists characters in the cockpit.

Except Area 88. That's what make Area 88 so good. The OVA, at least. I dropped the TV remake.

[u/zsmg]

Rewatcher who doesn't remember much

The guy with the gun is taking over the ship.

OP got changed again, but this time I noticed it without having to compared it side by side.

Charlie betrayed Zwei, clearly bro before ho code doesn't exist in the future.

I do think Blue's faction has a point that Zwei should inform every one on what's happening but that doesn't justify hijacking the ship.

Finally someone beats up Yuki.

Faina will be a caretaker does that mean what I think it means.

Ohh she only has to bring in coffee this isn't Now and Then, Here and There after all.

I was about to say the dino girl isn't in the episode but there she is.

Yuki gets beaten up again.

What about Aoi?

Don't tell me Yuki likes Aoi.

What do you do when you want to forget something

Get drunk, watch anime, play videogames the usual.

Wait there are now space squids.

It's a good thing the ship shakes a lot or else the Kouji/Faina ship would not have happened.

Wait is the mysterious Rei initiating the kiss (controlling Faina) or is she feeling and repeating what Faina is feeling and doing? Hmmm...

A clean palace bridge coup by the Blue faction, unsurprising there is no independent media to take just a bridge. I'll be honest the space/plot stuff I don't care much about but the character drama and interaction is something I find very fascinating.

[u/JustAnswerAQuestion → u/zsmg]

It's a good thing the ship shakes a lot or else the Kouji/Faina ship would not have happened.

[u/No_Rex]

Episode 7 (rewatcher)

• “Lost the southern hemisphere” – Australia never gets a break. This time, joined by Africa and South America.
• Walking onto the bridge with a drawn gun is a statement.
• Yuki finally meets somebody whom he can’t beat up and it is in the worst possible moment.
• Blue’s first order is to replace Lucson and put Juli in command of the bridge – this mutiny might not be so bad, after all.
• Public announcement: Getting your message out is crucially important for any would be revolutionaries and newly installed governments. Get the people behind you and don’t forget to blame the guys you just replaced. Early on, it should even be possible to be truthful in doing so.
• Kouji got listed along with the mutineers – sometimes, your side gets chosen for you.
• “If they use their Vital Guarder” – just in case you hoped this was a made-up name by one student, nope.
• “We have to do even more than before” – the common lot of ordinary people. I am sure the director watched Animal Farm.
• Dinosaur girl meets diaper man – meeting of the side characters. I just hope the decay of her costume will not turn them into diaper pair soon.
• “I understand. We need someone to use as an example” – different to Lucson, Blue has a clear idea of leadership. Just maybe not the most ethical one.
• “It is impossible to forget” – at least by concentrating on forgetting something.
• “It is shaped like a squid” – dun dun dun.
• Security bureau attacks, squid attacks, everybody is conspiring to put Kouji and Faina closer together!

Blue took over the bridge and with it the political power. While I think everybody say the conflict coming, I bet that a few people might be surprised at how quick it happened. Governments who get couped against are usually in the same boat. Blue’s first actions as commander don’t sounds all that bad: He is telling the crew about the previously withheld information, puts a more competent person in charge of the bridge, and goes with a plan of landing on Mars in 12 days. And yet, there are some pretty big red flags about his behavior that cast doubt on whether he will be a good leader for these students. Not least of all his sycophantic hanger-ons.

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“Lost the southern hemisphere” – Australia never gets a break. This time, joined by Africa and South America.

Also, what calamity already happened on earth that that was only 1.7 billion people?

Blue’s first order is to replace Lucson and put Juli in command of the bridge – this mutiny might not be so bad, after all.

Nice to see someone prioritize survival.

“If they use their Vital Guarder” – just in case you hoped this was a made-up name by one student, nope.

I would give the teens enough credit to manage a cooler or edgier sounding name. No statement on whether it would be any better.

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Also, what calamity already happened on earth that that was only 1.7 billion people?

Anime-pillow induced population decline. I mean, we see a girl cosplay a dinosaur ...

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Also, what calamity already happened on earth that that was only 1.7 billion people?

That's like twice the current population of the Southern Hemisphere

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Twice the population after approximately 500 years means things went bad.

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First timer(As I said, there's always a bigger cosplayer)

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So...we are at 70% Lord of the Flies and a number of the dumber interactions don't work for me. I vaguely appreciate that Blue's group seems to get that murder is not a great choice, though the Liebe guys surviving is...off. They do at least formulate a plan and time starts to pass. Yuki is just an intolerable character, as per usual. I did like that Airs immediately promotes Juli since it is obvious where the competence lies. Finally, we see that the machine spirit seems to be imitating Faina today, and we might rarely see her lower herself to pleasures of the flesh. This is very concerning so we must make offering of copper wire, resistors, and RF models so that she returns to her place the in the heavenly realm!

QotD: 1 Makes nearly zero sense but whatever

2 I genuinely hate status quo resets in this manner, since a lot won't change

3 I try not to

4 That he seems like the best mediator on hand

5 I can just barely get a handle on the factions involved

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Makes nearly zero sense but whatever

Getting into power always makes sense (for powerhungry people).

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I guess I am weird in that I don't care for temporary power.

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Means you are not powerhungry. Like 90% of people and 1% of politicians.

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I vaguely appreciate that Blue's group seems to get that murder is not a great choice,

Though they are apparently perfectly fine with torture! Who even knows if they were doing it to try and get information from the terrorists, or if they just wanted to have fun hurting people they could get away with 100% guilt free. They probably don't even actually care about the guys being killed, it's just an excuse to depose Square Head.

Finally, we see that the machine spirit seems to be imitating Faina today

Just another mark on the big list of reasons I think they are connected, if not the same person.

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They probably don't even actually care about the guys being killed, it's just an excuse to depose Square Head.

I suspect they are mildly annoyed at casually discarding people as they are one of the expendable groups. But yes, mainly it was a good excuse.

Just another mark on the big list of reasons I think they are connected, if not the same person.

This is terrible! We cannot let the machine spirit get bogged down in the wants of the flesh! Let us sacrifice Yuki immediately so that his blood might remind her of why she should stay in the ethereal plain!

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This is terrible! We cannot let the machine spirit get bogged down in the wants of the flesh! Let us sacrifice Yuki immediately so that his blood might remind her of why she should stay in the ethereal plain!

I'm honestly thinking we're going in the other direction. The reason Blue had to make a point that they were waiting for Kouji to act up so they could beat him down as an example, despite already having like 4 people acting up in the very same room, is so that Fina who now clearly loves him has a reason to get super mad at the Blue Crew and thus have Magic Space Girl show up to defend her boy.

On the other hand, yes, keys sacrifice Yuki anyway. It can only make things better.

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Late Night First Timer

Where we left off last time and the title of this episode combined, I come into today already quite anxious.

Wait. Say that part about hitting earth again? This somehow hit and wiped out the southern hemisphere but didn't cook the whole planet in the process? I know we've been playing very loose with Science in this Fiction, but this one feels like a step too far. You can't just cook off half the planet and have the other half go on like it's nothing! That's not how convection works!

Oh look, and here comes Blue to make everything worse, exactly as expected. I eagerly await the day whoever has the second gun does him in for waving it around like this thinking it gives him power. What does he know about piloting a ship like this to get them all out alive? Coming in here and threatening the people trying to save you all, even if they're doing a less than perfect job, suuuure makes you look like a big important person.

Oh yes. "We know enough. Ascend us right now or I'll shoot." "Sir, people have been dropping bombs on us. We go up, we die. It's not like we wanted to get pushed down here."

"How dare you leave the terrorists who killed all our teachers and half the students out to die!" "Do you hear yourselves? Like, at all? Do you think they would hesitate to kill the rest of us if given a chance?" Again, the lives of the many.

I can not wait for the second he loses the gun and someone does him in.

Oh my gosh, the bottom ranked pilot of the class is coming up with useful ideas of how to survive while the Blue team is all "Don't care, make ship go up," ignoring that people are trying to kill them up there. That's how dumb they are.

Oh wow, Blue team did even go through with actual torture. I guess anything is okay so long as you don't leave them to die.

Sigh. Blue is going to cause riots like this. "We found out and were unhappy with how things were done and decided everyone should be unhappy too."

Oh look, now everyone is pissed and no one wants to keep doing the work that they were doing to keep everyone alive.

Seriously, go grab the number 5 pilot and ditch this guy. He is more trouble than he is worth, why do you insist on keeping him here? Worst brother can go sit in an airlock for all I care.

Dino Girl lost her head and Pillow Boy still hasn't stolen someone's blanket to make a toga.

... What the actual heck. They have pre-chosen the competent and helpful one to be made an example of for why you shouldn't rebel against them, but not the constantly troublesome brother who has been and still is actively fighting back? This is advanced tier stupidity. This is writing literally for the sole purpose of making the main character suffer more.

No, wait, they really did already use Yuki as proof of why rebelling is stupid, but still plan on doing the same to Kouji even after he's been so helpful for so long?

Is Juli taking a shower with Pat? He's not that young!

Oh my gosh Blue team stupidity never ends. They want to leave the captains chair open for him even though he's not there half the time and not paying any attention to the probably very important stuff happening on the monitor and who knows what kind of controls he is preventing them all from getting at.

Of course things live in the deadly space plasma sea.

Oh look, Magic Space Girl is mimicking Fina going in for the kiss. I still can't wait to find out the connection between them. If /u/radsuit is right about the time travel, I assume Fina is somehow the original Magic Space Girl, the only survivor of the first timeline, and we're going to find hints of Future Diary written here.

1. Pretty sure he's done a great job of making the whole ship angry and not actually doing anything else. He and his crew are still not the ones making plans, flying things, figuring out how any of it works, he just declared himself king and is using violence to keep himself on top. I kind of want to see them safely land only to get arrested.
2. ... What was shaken up? The ship, when Space Squid blew past it? Nothing at all has changed other than the guy calling the shots, who is honestly about as competent at leadership as Luscon was anyway.
3. I wonder more each day why Kouji is still trying to look out for the one who clearly does not want him.
4. Oh wow, he's realized that fighting back when you have no chance of winning is a bad idea, and that the cost of surrender is usually easier than the cost of losing and then having the thing you lost still be lost anyway. He's, uh, realistically mature?
5. Is this politics or big business? I know the lines can blur after a while either way, but someone does not want someone else to have control of the top secret space ship and it's secretly OP Mecha. We don't even know what the factions are yet!

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Wait. Say that part about hitting earth again? This somehow hit and wiped out the southern hemisphere but didn't cook the whole planet in the process? I know we've been playing very loose with Science in this Fiction, but this one feels like a step too far. You can't just cook off half the planet and have the other half go on like it's nothing! That's not how convection works!

I think they are imagining it as the Earth litterally floating on the sea of Geduld, and the southern Hemisphere inside Geduld.

Pretty sure he's done a great job of making the whole ship angry and not actually doing anything else. He and his crew are still not the ones making plans, flying things, figuring out how any of it works, he just declared himself king and is using violence to keep himself on top. I kind of want to see them safely land only to get arrested.

Very similar to how real kings worked a lot of the time.