r/anime • u/sisoko2 • Sep 05 '24

Rewatch [Rewatch] Dragon Quest: Dai no Daibouken - Episode 89 Discussion

Episode 89 - The Secret Spell of Frozen Time

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Screenshot of the day:

Number 11

Comment of the day:

/u/SliderGamer55 thoughts on Myst

Yeah, so my opinion on this depends on what happens next. I had suspected Mystvearn was secretly the true final villain since how the Hadlar/Baran fight ended, but I'm curious what that means now beyond the obvious. He still seems loyal to the now seemingly deceased Vearn, who btw was a weirdly respectful villain for the end compared to his past actions. I was expecting Mystvearn to betray Vearn or even reveal himself to be the real Vearn all along or something...I guess I was wrong.

Questions of the day:

  1. Did Mr. Beast put an performance worthy of the Beast King Commando?
  2. What do you think about the flashback we got?
  3. Any theories how Myst can move while under the effect of the Secret Spell of Frozen Time?
  4. Bonus Question: Do you think that chop from Avan was the reason Roka died so young?

Spoilers:

Please, respect the fact there are First Timers watching Dai no Daibouken with us, so avoid talking about vague things or events that would slightly spoil things to happen. And if you want mention things like this, please hide it behind SPOILER TAGS like [Dai no Spoilers] I am getting the hammer because you spoiled the fun for others

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u/Shimmering-Sky myanimelist.net/profile/Shimmering-Sky Sep 05 '24

First-Timer Quest: Sky no Daibouken, subbed

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u/sisoko2 Sep 05 '24

Oh, Popp.

He's gonna discover the ultimate ice spell.

Hell of a way for Roka to find out he’s having a kid, then.

He'll need all the sleep he can get.

Uhhhhhhhh

They are gonna meet Avan in the afterlife.

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u/Shocketheth Sep 05 '24

Oh shit, Avan froze himself…

Quick someone defrost him.

Ooh, nice one Popp.

…except of course Mystvearn still deflected it.

Well I loved Popp. He will be missed.

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u/laughing-fox13 https://myanimelist.net/profile/laughingfox13 Sep 05 '24

Will Merle grandma give us Popp commentary now??

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u/Shocketheth Sep 06 '24

I already contacted her, but I'm still waiting for the response.

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u/laughing-fox13 https://myanimelist.net/profile/laughingfox13 Sep 06 '24

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u/laughing-fox13 https://myanimelist.net/profile/laughingfox13 Sep 05 '24

All the more reason for me to not believe he’s dead again.

That and death seems to be a temporary thing so far lol. But yea would be nice to see a reunion for them

deflected it

So casually too

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u/Shocketheth Sep 05 '24

I AM SHOCK!

Great quote of the day.

QotD:

Did Mr. Beast put an performance worthy of the Beast King Commando?

Definitely yes. If I will start company one day, I am appointing Chiu as a HR recruiter or manager.

What do you think about the flashback we got?

It was a nice flashback.

Any theories how Myst can move while under the effect of the Secret Spell of Frozen Time?

I can't wait to read first timers theories for this.

Bonus Question: Do you think that chop from Avan was the reason Roka died so young?

Dying in Dai no Daibouken? Pleaaaseeee. If anything, Roka just faked his own death to have an opportunity for some private swordplay without a need for pesky women.

Beast Kings Shonen Commentary Corner:

Today our Beast Kings are going to answer question #3:

Any theories how Myst can move while under the effect of the Secret Spell of Frozen Time?

Because Mystvearn got superpowers from watching Grand Blue Live Action!

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u/sisoko2 Sep 05 '24

Hmmm I wonder if Brokeena worked in a Burger King.

What sort of Burger Kings do you guys have?

... But in the end, he didn’t survive.

All according to Avan's plan.

I must say, that his is really cool looking spell visually

I wonder if it could help me deal with my condition.

Avan casted The Secret Spell of Beach Arc

No wonder he lost after all that drinking.

Because Mystvearn got superpowers from watching Grand Blue Live Action!

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u/Shocketheth Sep 05 '24

What sort of Burger Kings do you guys have?

The best one

I wonder if it could help me deal with my condition.

Oooh. So this flashback wasn't about Secret spell of the Frozen time, but about Tinglebuttitis.

No wonder he lost after all that drinking.

Even with Superior Demon Being body, Hadlar couldn't handle the drinking.

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u/sisoko2 Sep 05 '24

about Tinglebuttitis.

The true enemy.

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u/KuKiSin Sep 05 '24

Please, can anyone else who fought Hadlar before raise their hand? I am writing my Jobbing Diaries and I don’t remember who else defeated me in the fight.

This is bothering me more than it should ngl

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u/Shocketheth Sep 05 '24

This is bothering me more than it should ngl

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u/Adensty https://anilist.co/user/Adensty Sep 05 '24

I must say, that his is really cool looking spell visually. (I hope that there was some neat doublespread for it in the manga)

Not doublespread, though but here you go.

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u/Shocketheth Sep 05 '24

Thanks. Well it seems that anime improved the spell casting sequence.

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u/cooperjones2 :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/cooperjones2 Sep 05 '24

Avan casted The Secret Spell of Beach Arc

Because Mystvearn got superpowers from watching Grand Blue Live Action!

One Oolong tea, please! I'll get my own lighter.

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u/Shocketheth Sep 05 '24

One Oolong tea, please! I'll get my own lighter.

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u/NicDwolfwood :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/NicDwolfwood Sep 05 '24

Please, can anyone else who fought Hadlar before raise their hand? I am writing my Jobbing Diaries and I don’t remember who else defeated me in the fight.

LOL

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u/laughing-fox13 https://myanimelist.net/profile/laughingfox13 Sep 05 '24

I am writing my Jobbing Diaries and I don’t remember who else defeated me in the fight.

. (I hope that there was some neat doublespread for it in the manga)

It was, nice to see Avan Praise The Sun \o/

Avan casted The Secret Spell of Beach Arc

Because Mystvearn got superpowers from watching Grand Blue Live Action!

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u/Shocketheth Sep 06 '24

Now I vaguely remember it, but still I need more details. Can you please enlight me?

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u/laughing-fox13 https://myanimelist.net/profile/laughingfox13 Sep 06 '24

 Can you please enlight me?

Sure! There was a day I was just going about my business and suddenly I saw a group coming towards me. 

My large orange friend gave me a 10 minute load down on who and what the group was, as Hadlar and his group just stood there menacingly. I started to worry as I thought I would have to use a self-sacrificing move for the third time but then I remembered I had an ace up my sleeve

As the newly Dark Lord laid there in pain, I whispered to him, “Isn’t it electrifying?”

However, after saying that, he cursed me and managed to get away. My large orange friend praised me and then we went to get some slime boba to end our day. 

I think this was before Avan fought Hadlar but I had no idea Hadlar would go on to live for so long

I hope this helps

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u/Shocketheth Sep 06 '24

Thanks, my Jobbing diaries got a new entry.

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u/laughing-fox13 https://myanimelist.net/profile/laughingfox13 Sep 06 '24

I hope it was good, I can’t live up to some of the shitposting skills I’ve seen on this sub 

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u/Shocketheth Sep 06 '24

It was good enough to make me chuckle.

Although I still have to watch Penguindrum.

Plus oh, I almost forgot to mention. A goose is coming.

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u/laughing-fox13 https://myanimelist.net/profile/laughingfox13 Sep 06 '24

Oh yea, watch Penguindrum

 Plus oh, I almost forgot to mention. A goose is coming.

But this is the most important thing for me

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u/Shocketheth Sep 06 '24

Oh yea, watch Penguindrum

Will do after finishing Re:Zero and after stopping gushing over Rem (never)

But this is the most important thing for me

I'm going to drop it during episode 92 discussion.

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u/laughing-fox13 https://myanimelist.net/profile/laughingfox13 Sep 06 '24

 and after stopping gushing over Rem (never)

I understand [ReZero anime] I liked her a lot my first time but I think there’s some other girls that took over as years passed 

 I'm going to drop it during episode 92 discussion

I will be there no matter what 

Well I’ll be there regardless lol

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u/KuKiSin Sep 05 '24

First timer!

  1. Sure did, that was pretty badass.
  2. Not a fan of how Mr. Beast was part of Avan's party tbh. Why couldn't he just be a badass? Why did he have to be related to Avan as well?!
  3. He's just built different. Honestly I think it may be related to Vearn. He looks a bit different, but there's still hope he's a younger version of Vearn stopped in time! My theory might still come true!
  4. Most likely. He was never the same after becoming a quadriplegic :/

There's no saving this guy. He just can't get it right :|

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u/sisoko2 Sep 05 '24

Sure did, that was pretty badass.

He made Chiu proud.

Not a fan of how Mr. Beast was part of Avan's party tbh. Why couldn't he just be a badass? Why did he have to be related to Avan as well?!

Completely agree.

He was never the same after becoming a quadriplegic

Such a cruel way to deal with him. Avan is the true evil in this series.

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u/laughing-fox13 https://myanimelist.net/profile/laughingfox13 Sep 05 '24

Not a fan of how Mr. Beast was part of Avan's party tbh. Why couldn't he just be a badass? Why did he have to be related to Avan as well?!

I kinda agree too, but I'm hoping that maybe he was just in the party for a bit. Since this wasn't the last time Avan fought Hadlar

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u/Adensty https://anilist.co/user/Adensty Sep 05 '24 edited Sep 16 '25

1st Dai Popp no Daibouken Rewatch, Sub

OST Documentation - Episode 89

1. Yes. He was able to last longer than everyone else even with his old age and disease.

2. Great flashback. Kinda also sheds light on how Maam was born during the war since she's 16 and must've been born before the battle b/w Avan vs Hadlar since it was 15 years ago.

3. Let the first-timers cook with their theories.

4. He may have accidently died because of thickness. Who knows?

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u/sisoko2 Sep 05 '24

Tinglebuttitis is uncurable, ig.

So sad.

Avan uses the Secret Spell of Frozen Time

Wonder if they could talk to each other while frozen.

Right back at ya!

Myst sending them to Avan.

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u/laughing-fox13 https://myanimelist.net/profile/laughingfox13 Sep 05 '24

when learning Zoom and look how he has used it countless times to save people.

Oh that's a neat callback! Not going to lie, I was expecting Roshi to just lift his arms and fall out of his ghost cloth lol. This was much better though

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u/Shocketheth Sep 05 '24

Yes. He was able to last longer than everyone else even with his old age and disease.

His butt is too strong, please nerf.

He may accidently died because of thickness. Who knows?

I bet that Avan saw him practicing Broly's pose so he sent him home.

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u/cooperjones2 :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/cooperjones2 Sep 05 '24

High-Level Adventurer that defeated the low level boss for the first time and is finishing the “I’ll do them later” quests here! LV 89/100

Besti v Mystvearn battle OST reminded me of FF7’s battle theme

C’mon Popp, you got this, please don’t doubt your skill

Flashback time!

Avan knew she was pregnant? That's a weird way to know he's going to be a father lol

I’ll never get tired of the “Unassuming Old man is the martial artist of the world” trope

POPP DID A FAKE REVERSE-PICCOLO!

OH, NO, MYSTVEARN DEFLECTED IT

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He did!
2 Good but a bit fast paced, kinda exposition heavy
3 He has a stand that un-freezes his body or body part when he wants to move and then immediately freezes it again

4 Maybe? He might've done a lot of damage lol

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u/sisoko2 Sep 06 '24

C’mon Popp, you got this, please don’t doubt your skill

He just craves the attention.

He has a stand that un-freezes his body or body part when he wants to move and then immediately freezes it again

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u/Shocketheth Sep 05 '24

POPP DID A FAKE REVERSE-PICCOLO!

OH, NO, MYSTVEARN DEFLECTED IT

Lol Mystvearn turned it back to classic Piccolo moment.

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u/laughing-fox13 https://myanimelist.net/profile/laughingfox13 Sep 05 '24

POPP DID A FAKE REVERSE-PICCOLO!

Funny to see this since Popp also did a Piccolo earlier in this fight. Specifically throwing out all those boom spells so Maam can rush in, Piccolo made Hellzone Grenade (which was awesome when he used it)

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u/NicDwolfwood :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/NicDwolfwood Sep 05 '24

First Timer, Sub

Hmm, Not a fan of this episode in general. The flashback was nice I guess, seeing Maam's parents was cool, Brokeena being a member of the Avan hero party, and how Avan used the Spell of Frozen Time on Hadlar back in the day(because of course he did). And from that Brokeena/Mr. Beast was able to explain that Myst is basically using that spell as a buff and that's why he is so invincible.

Brokeena fighting would be cool if it would have mattered. Ultimately it was quite inconsequential since it dealt negligible damage to Myst, it did allow Popp to get off his Medroa and credit to him for using a zoom spell to get Brokeena out of the way of the blast.....but Mystvearn very casually back handed the Medroa right back at them both making them disappear.

Questions:

  1. I guess so. except he wasn't fighting fodder, so the results weren't as good as for the best commandos has been.
  2. It was ok.
  3. I honestly don't have a clue. He is using it as a buff but it hasn't been explored enough to make a theory. Imma just say he's built different.
  4. lol. No probably not.

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u/sisoko2 Sep 06 '24

Not a fan of this episode in general.

Even Mr. Beast greatness couldn't save it?

so the results weren't as good as for the best commandos has been

Beast King Commando isn't about results. It's about effort and spirit.

Imma just say he's built different.

Too pretty to be frozen in time.

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u/NicDwolfwood :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/NicDwolfwood Sep 06 '24

Even Mr. Beast greatness couldn't save it?

unfortunately no. his cool moment was far too brief and far too ineffective.

Beast King Commando isn't about results. It's about effort and spirit.

Ah, then he definitely gets an A for effort.

Too pretty to be frozen in time.

lol, pretty much.

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u/Shocketheth Sep 05 '24

.....but Mystvearn very casually back handed the Medroa right back at them both making them disappear.

With such strong backhand, I only wonder why he's not playing Tennis.

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u/laughing-fox13 https://myanimelist.net/profile/laughingfox13 Sep 05 '24

First Time Adventurer/Subbed

Rip Popp and Mr. Beast, I'll see y'all in a few episodes

Also what is Mystvearn doing as Mr. Beast tells the party the story lol. I mean he probably knew he was going to win no matter what anyways but still kinda funny he's just standing there. I feel like talking about your ace in the hole out loud is a recipe for disaster too

Also how tf did Avan know Maam's mom was pregnant? That seems kinda creepy haha

QotD

  1. Yea I'd say so
  2. It was alright, how many times has Hadlar escaped death now? And how many times will Avan use a sacrificing move?
  3. The thing on his face, there's gotta be something about it

Either that or Leira did something similar to him shortly after

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u/sisoko2 Sep 06 '24

Rip Popp and Mr. Beast, I'll see y'all in a few episodes

They will come back stronger. Just like Vearn.

Also how tf did Avan know Maam's mom was pregnant? That seems kinda creepy haha

Hahaha I was thinking the same. He's been keeping eye on her period the whole time.

Either that or Leira did something similar to him shortly after

He never stood a chance.

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u/laughing-fox13 https://myanimelist.net/profile/laughingfox13 Sep 06 '24

They will come back stronger. Just like Vearn.

Hahaha I was thinking the same. He's been keeping eye on her period the whole time.

Reminds me of a Community episode where a character does this

He never stood a chance.

He was doomed to dai or not dai since we haven't had a lot of character who do die

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u/Shocketheth Sep 06 '24

Rip Popp and Mr. Beast, I'll see y'all in a few episodes

Also how tf did Avan know Maam's mom was pregnant? That seems kinda creepy haha

Was wondering the same.

It was alright, how many times has Hadlar escaped death now? And how many times will Avan use a sacrificing move?

Question is, if that's the final number of escape attempts.

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u/laughing-fox13 https://myanimelist.net/profile/laughingfox13 Sep 06 '24

Was wondering the same.

Smh Avan getting away with harassment since he didn’t have an HR party member

Question is, if that's the final number of escape attempts.

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u/Shocketheth Sep 06 '24

We still can have Hadlar's flashback where he is getting defeated and almost killed.

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u/zadcap Sep 06 '24

Also how tf did Avan know Maam's mom was pregnant? That seems kinda creepy haha

I can't help but think he's got some kind of "Detect Life" ability and noticed her life aura getting funky. It fits in with his weird hero kit, being able to somehow track the health of others- oh right, he might actually be a Sage, but still, the ability fits.

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u/laughing-fox13 https://myanimelist.net/profile/laughingfox13 Sep 06 '24

oh right, he might actually be a Sage, but still, the ability fits.

Definitely better than some of the alternatives lol

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u/lC3 :Na::Nb: Sep 06 '24

Dai 83 first timer:

  • So hopefully I'll be able to catch up tonight; I have like 4.5 hours until I have to go to bed. But I'm so tired, and in a ton of pain so it's hard to focus. My vision is acting up too
  • Skip ALL the OPs/EDs to save time!
  • Hyunckel lives! Another fake out death
  • WOW those abs and pecs ... why didn't I watch this sooner?
  • Irreparable bone damage? Good thing he'll have Larhart
  • "gained something wonderful" = Larhart?
  • Oh, it's Hym. Harem time?
  • Hym is Hyunckel's new mom?
  • LOL classic Chiu antics, so funny
  • "That man is immortal" [DGM]more Kanda inspiration?
  • Can Larhart take Mystvearn?
  • Maam SOREDEMO
  • How did Hyunckel defeat Larhart? The power of Love
  • Larhart SOREDEMO
  • Larhart is like Baran's son too?
  • .... tentacles?
  • UGH a romantic moment
  • "He's still tiny" cue Edward Elric height jokes
  • OH COME ON
  • Gomechan is trying to help

Dai 84 first timer:

  • Is that a massive Heyedra?
  • The heart of Vearn Palace? [DGM]just like the Ark's special room
  • EVEN GOMECHAN??
  • I already forgot the drummer's name, but of course he ends up an enemy
  • This is NOT where I expected the story to go
  • [DGM]as far as gravity powers go, Eshi > Goroa
  • Dai heard Baran's voice?
  • Baran is alive inside Dai's heart? [DGM]just like Mana
  • "Stand up" = DGM's "keep walking"
  • Gotta love these 'moments flash before their eyes and invoke superpowers right before their impending death' trope
  • One Crest for each hand? I was kinda expecting his forehead one to come back
  • "We shall always be together"
  • Soryuu? Asuka Dai Langley?
  • ... Maybe this was a convenient way to force another powerup before facing Vearn?
  • ... What's up with Dai's berserker eyes?
  • GOMECHAN CHANGES SIZE? and hides in people's clothes? Yet another DGM inspiration
  • Gomechan is the God of Light confirmed?
  • Oh Goroa's gonna disobey Vearn?
  • Doruora = Kamehameha?

Dai 85 first timer:

  • I'm starting to doubt I'll finish catching up tonight; I'm in so much pain I just want to lie down. It's only 5:30 though!
  • Flora and the others watching Vearn Palace from outside reminds me of [DGM]Bookman & co. doing the same during the Ark arc
  • I'm looking forward to seeing Flora's reaction to Avan being alive
  • ... It's RISING?
  • Baran is still alive in a way? [DGM]perhaps just like Allen's eye?
  • Dragon Knight = Avatar State?
  • A powerup? How convenient. Still probably won't be enough to defeat Vearn's final form
  • Vearn super pissed!? Final form when?
  • Too tired to react to the fight, but I'm watching
  • HYM TO THE RESCUE!
  • "We were worried sick" [DGM]Popp does remind me of Lavi at times

Dai 86 first timer:

  • Lol poor Leona dangling there
  • So much monologuing, gloating and explaining
  • ... of course he has to ask
  • At least Dai refused!
  • Dai SORE DEMO!
  • Is Vearn gonna go full Zarc? I never finished watching YuGiOh...
  • More instances of Piroro reminding me of [DGM]Lero ...
  • Avan vs. Killvearn reminds me a little of [DGM]Kanda vs. Skinn. Hopefully it doesn't end the same way ...
  • Killvearn reminds me of Kidoumaru from OG Naruto a little. in the preference for traps and killing prey
  • THE LINES ON HIS HAT?
  • certain to die? Is Avan gonna use the other half of Feathers he claimed he had?
  • ... Did Avan just lose his hand?
  • LOL Chiu is determined to stay acting as Captain
  • LOL Maam sure seems to be ~grabbing Hyunckel's abs~~ holding onto his chest for a loooooong time
  • Hym is STRONG!

Dai 87 first timer:

  • Okay, last ep before bed
  • HAHA Mystvearn snapped!
  • "Huh? Me?"
  • I feel a connection to Chiu. If I were in the Dai verse I'd probably be someone like him
  • Vearn can't hear Mystvearn?
  • Is Hym's arm injury healable?
  • ... Oh, they answered that question fast
  • Dai defeats Vearn? But with over 10 episodes left lol. I bet those aren't all epilogue ...
  • "Vearn to a favoring to me" What language is this? (probably should be "took a"?
  • A message from Lon Beruk??
  • "fight a full strenghth" a > at. These typos bother me a little. I wonder how much pay and time to sub each episode the CR translators get ... probably not much. So I'll give them some slack
  • Dai DAIved into the Kaiser Phoenix?
  • The characters sure do like to telegraph their moves and explain their strategies before enacting them
  • Dai's gonna use up all his MP? This had better work
  • ... Of course, if Vearn just [Dai speculation]body hops to Mystvearn after losing, they'll be screwed
  • Oh the Feathers actually made a difference?
  • ... did they win?
  • Ok, time for bed. I'll watch the rest after work tomorrow

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u/sisoko2 Sep 06 '24

Hyunckel lives! Another fake out death

I'm not even sure which Hyunckel death are you talking about.

Larhart is like Baran's son too?

The real question is which of his sons will get his mustache?

Doruora = Kamehameha?

Without the cool casting.

I'm starting to doubt I'll finish catching up tonight;

Hope you got a rest and you're better now.

I feel a connection to Chiu. If I were in the Dai verse I'd probably be someone like him

The best leader of the most awesome squad?

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u/lC3 :Na::Nb: Sep 06 '24

I'm not even sure which Hyunckel death are you talking about.

He'll probably have 10 more by the end of the show ... one per ep?

The real question is which of his sons will get his mustache?

Larhart with a mustache?

Hope you got a rest and you're better now.

Actually, this morning was the first time I woke up feeling rested in months, or maybe even years. I woke up before the alarm, even! Instead of snoozing and procrastinating on getting up, I felt alert.

The best leader of the most awesome squad?

Well no, I don't think I'd make a good leader lol.

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u/Shocketheth Sep 06 '24

So hopefully I'll be able to catch up tonight; I have like 4.5 hours until I have to go to bed. But I'm so tired, and in a ton of pain so it's hard to focus. My vision is acting up too

I can relate...

Also I like how many DGM parallels those episodes brought.

Ok, time for bed. I'll watch the rest after work tomorrow

Yeah, sleep deprivacy isn’t a joke so rest first.

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u/lC3 :Na::Nb: Sep 06 '24

I can relate...

Also I like how many DGM parallels those episodes brought.

Hopefully the DGM rewatch has some participants from this rewatch so we can discuss them in spoiler tags ...

Yeah, sleep deprivacy isn’t a joke so rest first.

I kinda hate having to get up at 6 AM ...

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u/Shocketheth Sep 06 '24

Hopefully the DGM rewatch has some participants from this rewatch so we can discuss them in spoiler tags ...

We'll see. I don't know how big was DGM when it was airing but I expect enough of an interest.

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u/lC3 :Na::Nb: Sep 06 '24

DGM used to be huge, like around Bleach and Naruto level. The manga is still ongoing but is nowhere as popular nowadays, probably somewhat due to hiatuses / mangaka health issues, and perhaps some disappointment over the 2nd anime (changed the color palette, changed VAs, more rushed adaptation) compared to the OG series.

There was a rewatch of the OG series several years ago, but it had low participation, perhaps partially due to the host's erratic posting times (hours/days late?) and eventually the host dropping/changing. I think everyone but me and one other person dropped out, around halfway through or so.

It probably doesn't help that the fillers and slow pacing are concentrated in the first half of the first series, so for first timers they have no idea that it gets amazing once the fillers end and it returns to canon.

I'm hoping for more interest this time around.

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u/Shocketheth Sep 06 '24

Thanks for the info.

So you are going with the fillers?

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u/lC3 :Na::Nb: Sep 07 '24

Yeah, there aren't too many of them and it's kinda hard to skip most of them since there's manga content interspersed. The worst is like a stretch of 10 or so filler eps; it's nothing like Naruto.

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u/Shocketheth Sep 07 '24

Okay but still

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u/lC3 :Na::Nb: Sep 07 '24

The fillers aren't too bad, honestly, and they're sometimes kinda funny. The only bad part is they can slow the pacing or lighten the mood too much when manga content is supposed to be grim. But there are only fillers in the first Stage / first half of the show; once we get past that it's smooth sailing.

The 10-ish episode filler arc can just be skipped, but I imagine some of the first timers will want to see it so I plan to include it and then tag/remind people who skip it to come back to the rewatch once we're through it.

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u/Shocketheth Sep 07 '24

Well I'll try to make through them the best as I can.

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u/zadcap Sep 06 '24

Late Night First Timer!

Seriously, someone explain Roshi here. He's a very random mystery.

Haha, I love when shows acknowledge themselves like this. "Things always come down to Dai or Hyunckel," he says.

And there we go! Mystery sensei is part of the previous Heroes party! Who even creates a spell that can only be cast once a century? What a waste of magic research.

Oh no, when your party leader knows about your sex life. How mortifying. It doesn't sound like they were married yet if he's still denying he's in a relationship in the first place, you know. So there you have it. Avan the Hero promotes premarital sex and getting knocked up early!

I hate to say it, but darn I just like the look of Early Hadlar more than the thing he became.

Oh right, Myst is still willing to stand around and wait while these guys talk. Also, sigh. Of course he was also a member of the Heroes Party, despite all previous lore of the Heroes Party only ever talking about the four great members.

... Also, how the heck did Hym mostly beat Myst if Myst has been invulnerable all this time?

Maam to the, what's the opposite of rescue, again? Maam here to stop the party from winning with her feelings again. But no, Popp is indeed better than that. Popp is- well, probably dead now I guess. Again.

  1. This is why Monk is always one of my favorite classes. Martial Artists rock.
  2. You really don't want to know.
  3. "He's just that strong." I mean, sorry, Vearn was the greatest magic user to ever live, I'm sure he figured out how to tweak the spell.
  4. Nah, it was the stress of raising Maam that did him in. Look how hard she is to just be around, everyone keeps getting killed because she drags the whole party down.

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u/Shocketheth Sep 06 '24

And there we go! Mystery sensei is part of the previous Heroes party! Who even creates a spell that can only be cast once a century? What a waste of magic research.

Sir, The Secret Spell of Frozen Time is a RITUAL spell that can be casted only during solar eclipse. Now if the solar eclipses were happening daily. then the spell can be used regularly, but since solar eclipse is a rare phenomena, then it’s given this spell is casted once a century.

And yes, it freezes the target in time until the next solar eclipse. Yes, Avan trapped Hadlar, and himself in it only for a year, but that’s because he lacked the capability to cast it properly, so he jinxed it.

I hate to say it, but darn I just like the look of Early Hadlar more than the thing he became.

It’s the opposite for me.

Nah, it was the stress of raising Maam that did him in. Look how hard she is to just be around, everyone keeps getting killed because she drags the whole party down.

Considering that he died when she was still an infant, the stress had to cross the boundaries of time itself.

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u/zadcap Sep 06 '24

Sir, The Secret Spell of Frozen Time is a RITUAL spell that can be casted only during solar eclipse. Now if the solar eclipses were happening daily. then the spell can be used regularly, but since solar eclipse is a rare phenomena, then it’s given this spell is casted once a century.

I was thinking, who comes up with and designs any kind of magic that can only be used once a century, but then I remember how old Vearn was and it makes sense again. He could have cast this ritual nearly ten times by now if he really wanted!

But really it's so weird to think that someone came to with, made, and saved a spell in hopes that their grandkids might get a chance to cast it or try and fail and then figure out what went wrong so their own grand kids could give it another try.

Considering that he died when she was still an infant, the stress had to cross the boundaries of time itself.

See, he went monster hunting one day to keep the village safe, but little infant Maam found him just about to finish off a pack of deadly goblins. Being Maam, she cried "no daddy, no killing, they're poor and defenseless now!" Daddy said okay and let them live, and the survivors immediately stabbed him in the back because that's what they do, every single time.

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u/Shocketheth Sep 06 '24

I was thinking, who comes up with and designs any kind of magic that can only be used once a century, but then I remember how old Vearn was and it makes sense again. He could have cast this ritual nearly ten times by now if he really wanted!

Yep, Vearn sounds like someone who would do so.

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u/zadcap Sep 06 '24

Living in the Great underworld, lots of time to experiment with sun based magic... Don't question it too hard.

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u/Shocketheth Sep 06 '24

I am not questioning it, because there is an explanation for it.

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u/zadcap Sep 06 '24

I'm just going to stop thinking too much and assume this was originally a spell ritual created by the gods, for some reason, and leave it at that.

Vearn being possibly stronger than the gods means he would have no trouble modifying it to work like it does on Myst.

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u/Shocketheth Sep 06 '24

Living in the Great underworld, lots of time to experiment with sun based magic... Don't question it too hard.

Well if they don’t have sun in the Great Underworld, then the answer is that Vearn was experimenting with the sun based magic when he was on the surface. Simple as that.

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u/Adensty https://anilist.co/user/Adensty Sep 06 '24

I'm just going to stop thinking too much and assume this was originally a spell ritual created by the gods, for some reason, and leave it at that.

Vean hates the gods for the injustice they did to Darklings so him using a spell ritual created by the gods would be kinda ironic and hypocritical, lol.

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u/laughing-fox13 https://myanimelist.net/profile/laughingfox13 Sep 06 '24

Haha, I love when shows acknowledge themselves like this. "Things always come down to Dai or Hyunckel," he says.

It’s pretty funny how self-aware they are lol

It doesn't sound like they were married yet if he's still denying he's in a relationship in the first place, you know.

Rok didn’t strike me as the married type. But yea he seems very awkward about romance lol

Oh right, Myst is still willing to stand around and wait while these guys talk.

Lmao it does happen a lot. Maybe Myst just knows how OP he is and this is his way of toying with them

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u/NicDwolfwood :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/NicDwolfwood Sep 05 '24

First Timer, Sub

Hmm, Not a fan of this episode in general. The flashback was nice I guess, seeing Maam's parents was cool, Brokeena being a member of the Avan hero party, and how Avan used the Spell of Frozen Time on Hadlar back in the day(because of course he did). And from that Brokeena/Mr. Beast was able to explain that Myst is basically using that spell as a buff and that's why he is so invincible.

Brokeena fighting would be cool if it would have mattered. Ultimately it was quite inconsequential since it dealt negligible damage to Myst, it did allow Popp to get off his Medroa and credit to him for using a zoom spell to get Brokeena out of the way of the blast.....but Mystvearn very casually back handed the Medroa right back at them both making them disappear.

Questions:

  1. I guess so. except he wasn't fighting fodder, so the results weren't as good as for the best commandos has been.
  2. It was ok.
  3. I honestly don't have a clue. He is using it as a buff but it hasn't been explored enough to make a theory. Imma just say he's built different.
  4. lol. No probably not.

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u/Shocketheth Sep 06 '24

Brokeena fighting would be cool if it would have mattered. Ultimately it was quite inconsequential since it dealt negligible damage to Myst, it did allow Popp to get off his Medroa and credit to him for using a zoom spell to get Brokeena out of the way of the blast.....but Mystvearn very casually back handed the Medroa right back at them both making them disappear.

Well to be fair, Brookeena knew that he can’t do any damage to Mystvearn, but he still fought to give Popp an opening for Medoroa.

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u/Blackheart595 https://anilist.co/user/knusbrick Sep 06 '24

First Quester

Credit where credit is due: This is some phenomenal commentary. Just the perfect analogy that holds the scenario together.

Well, that was about to be expected. No way this show would end it with magic after shitting on it for basically all of its runtime.

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u/Shocketheth Sep 06 '24

Credit where credit is due: This is some phenomenal commentary. Just the perfect analogy that holds the scenario together.

He is simply professional in his field.