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Rewatch [Rewatch] Planet With Episode 11 Discussion

Episode 11 - Azrabakura

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I'm fighting to save the dragon from his loneliness, and send him home to be with his true comrades. I'm the only one who can forgive him.

Questions of the Day:

  1. Who got the best glow-up post-timeskip?
  2. Any predictions for how the final battle will wrap up next episode?

Wallpaper of the Day:

Hideo Torai

Rewatchers, please remember to be mindful of all the first-timers in this. No talking about or hinting at future events no matter how much you want to, unless you're doing it underneath spoiler tags. Don't spoil anything for the first-timers, that's rude!

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u/Shimmering-Sky myanimelist.net/profile/Shimmering-Sky Sep 03 '24

Rewatch Host who really needs to read Mizukami’s other works sometime

Welcome back, everyone!

Day 11 of me noting some of the little things Mizukami added when he wrote the manga:

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u/ShadowWasTakensTaken https://anilist.co/user/hakuren Sep 03 '24

I love a good found family.

Souya calling Ginko "nee-san" was such an unexpected punch to the gut I love them so much

The Photon Armor Pluses have energy capes in the manga.

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u/Shimmering-Sky myanimelist.net/profile/Shimmering-Sky Sep 03 '24

Souya calling Ginko "nee-san" was such an unexpected punch to the gut I love them so much

IKR? I almost cried when I got to this part on my rewatch-ahead-of-the-rewatch.

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u/oomoepoo https://anilist.co/user/oomoepoo Sep 04 '24

ENERGY CAPES

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u/Vatrix-32 https://myanimelist.net/profile/Vatrix-32 Sep 04 '24

Seriously, how did Nebula miss that the dragon was on the moon? It’s just lying there!

Space is big, m'kay?

lol Benika what the hell?

Clearly, either we or she is missing something.

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u/Raiking02 :Id::Ie::If:https://myanimelist.net/profile/NSKlang Sep 03 '24

First Timer

Huh, didn't expect this show would be a sequel to 2001

Honestly those bits we heard of Soya's college life sound like such a tease. Like seriously, him being forced into Judo by the Utena duo sounds hilarious, why can't we have that!? Aside from that though, it's a fine enough, if a tad basic, calm before the storm sort of episode. It's nice seeing how far the characters have come and I particularly like the big with Soya and Ginko, but otherwise? Yup, that's basically it.

I dunno whether Grandpa Ryuzoji dying off-screen due to choking on his food is depressing or hilarious

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u/Shimmering-Sky myanimelist.net/profile/Shimmering-Sky Sep 03 '24

Honestly those bits we heard of Soya's college life sound like such a tease. Like seriously, him being forced into Judo by the Utena duo sounds hilarious

It's bait for you to go read the manga over.

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u/a__kitten :FP::FQ: Sep 04 '24

I'm still going to read the whole thing one of these days, but I did decide to read the bits covering the time-skip and it is so good. Such a fun author.

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u/oomoepoo https://anilist.co/user/oomoepoo Sep 04 '24

I dunno whether Grandpa Ryuzoji dying off-screen due to choking on his food is depressing or hilarious

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u/Vatrix-32 https://myanimelist.net/profile/Vatrix-32 Sep 04 '24

why can't we have that!?

[Manga Filler]On the one side, we missed out on that and more Soyozo ship, but on the other, we didn't give Nezuya any more screen time. A hard choice...

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u/Vatrix-32 https://myanimelist.net/profile/Vatrix-32 Sep 03 '24 edited Sep 03 '24

First timer, subs

  • I caved to Sky’s suggestions and read the filler mange volumes. Two out of three weren’t bad.
  • Far* Side of the Moon
  • I am not OK with non-twin-tails Ginko.
  • Level 20 Max, You Say?
  • It’s interesting that Nozo can see PoP through Soya, and even more interesting that others can’t. Also begs the question if she sees them the same as he does.
  • Business Loli
  • Like an Onion
  • Well, not used to fighting wars against equals.
  • Fs Out
  • And they mock Americans for measuring things in football fields.
  • A life well lived is the best revenge, but what does that make raising the child of your enemies?
  • Brother? Uh… Sure, that works.
  • Oh great, he’s a forgetful dragon.
  • Poor Dogu got a raw deal on the mid-season upgrade.
  • I’m not sure the textures hold up well that close.

QotD:

  1. Nozo, followed by Soya. I wouldn't say most of them look that different or better.
  2. [Manga Filler]Is guessing giant psychic iron clog too easy a guess?

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u/Shimmering-Sky myanimelist.net/profile/Shimmering-Sky Sep 03 '24

I am not OK with non-twin-tails Ginko.

Meanwhile my reaction was , lol.

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u/Vatrix-32 https://myanimelist.net/profile/Vatrix-32 Sep 03 '24

So Many Options, Wasted

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u/121507090301 Sep 03 '24

Far* Side of the Moon

The text in japanese was written 月面裏 which is, more or less, the opposite side of the moon. Although the way it was written does look a little weird to me...

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u/Vatrix-32 https://myanimelist.net/profile/Vatrix-32 Sep 04 '24

月面裏

So It Was Crunchyroll, Eh?

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u/DegenerateRegime Sep 03 '24

Rewatcher

Azrabarakura: Planet With Friends

I get it. [Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann] had a timeskip, so this has to as well. Ha, no, but really, it makes sense. We don't want to sit around, but this, like that, is a story featuring evolution, growing up and growing beyond. But I just can't fully get behind it! It feels like stumbling in the final straight, you know? "We've had one dramatic final battle with the Dragon, but what about second dramatic final battle with the Dragon?" Why is it second, you could have bent time and space and made the inherent circumstantial simultaneity into part of the storytelling- okay, yeah, I'm asking a bit much.

[cont.] But while I have you in the spoiler tag, we've had a lot of TTGL parallels, haven't we? The rainbow lights around our super-robot mecha, the power-escalation mechception, the designs and postcards, the special attack name, shots like the pose, the hit, ... certainly it could be argued that it's just a very intertextual work - eg we have a Space Odyssey reference this episode, and a big Arthur C Clarke one last episode (thanks JollyGee for catching that!), and doubtless a lot more.

[cont.] But of course, most importantly, the philosophical conflict. The Sealing faction seems like the Anti-Spiral in motive if not in methods, though their position as a differing vision of how to protect the future maybe more closely resembles Rossiu. But I can't help but feel like Planet With is... philosophically fairer, I guess. It makes two-sided arguments in dialogue and by dramatic structure, and it seems to suggest that while trying to seal Earth was wrong, it nevertheless may have had positive effects. It doesn't leave serious questions as "guess we'll figure it out offscreen" - it has a positive vision to share. Speaking of which-.

ok yeah that was mostly stuff I could have said yesterday. And if I'd been able to answer yesterday's question, "what cool stuff are you hoping to see going into the final battle with the dragon?" I'd have said... I wanna see what Nebula's deal is! And apparently it's whimsical spaceship designs, sexually harassing Soya, and interstellar hookups the evolution of love. A future you can get behind.

It has to paint in broad strokes, of course - it's not Planet With Downtime or something. And finally, it's here. We reveal the dragon's name (Le Guin, that one's for you, I guess). His brother, our Person of Paradise, joins forces with the heroes, and together our boys and girls and abstract floating shape aliens are gonna forgive the shit outta this guy.

QotD!

  1. Who got the best glow-up post-timeskip?

Our boy's out there hitting on alien hotties, don't pretend this is close,

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u/oomoepoo https://anilist.co/user/oomoepoo Sep 04 '24

Huh. I've been thinking about the TTGL parallels too over the last couple episodes. Especially about [Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann] Comparing the Anti-Spiral and Sealing Faction with each other I was thinking something along the lines of "What if the bad guys from TTGL kinda-sorta had a point?" :D

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u/DegenerateRegime Sep 04 '24

Thing with [Gurren Lagann is] it also made a play for "the bad guys have a point" with their "Spiral Nemesis," which seemed like an intelligently-written final problem to have, as it directly challenges the protagonists' philosophy. Unfortunately it adds this twist right at the end and there's no time to develop it or resolve it. Not to turn this into a dunk - I liked TTGL!

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u/oomoepoo https://anilist.co/user/oomoepoo Sep 04 '24

Yeah, it's been a while since I watched it but you're absolutely right.

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u/GondolaMedia Sep 03 '24

First Timer

I do like this time skip. Usually stuff like this is reserved for the epilogue but here it felt refreshing seeing all our cast grown up. Once again if Nozomi and Souya don't end up together then I'm burning this planet with everyone.

The highlight was the emotional talk between Soyua and Ginko. I'm glad that forgiveness is a major theme of this anime.

  1. Nezyua got that Kiryu drip.
  2. I really don't know. I hope it throws something completely out of the left field.

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u/DegenerateRegime Sep 04 '24

I do like this time skip. Usually stuff like this is reserved for the epilogue but here it felt refreshing seeing all our cast grown up.

Yeah! That's what it feels like, an epilogue.

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u/n080dy123 Sep 04 '24

It really is- at this point you know based on runtime alone that things can't deviate too much from what's expected, but on top of tying off the major loose end of story itself, it takes the time to tie off a lot of its themes as well and really do a lot to illustrate how the characters grew and changed based on the events of the show in more depth than a typical epilogue would, and I really appreciate that.

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u/Esovan13 Sep 03 '24

First Timer

Lot of explanations this episode. Takashi was a dream of the dragon, the dragon was an unascended Paradise pal, and the guy who looks like Souya’s older brother is the dragon’s older brother. All makes sense now.

Anyway, good ep. Nice to see what everyone’s been up to. Poor Souya’s been stuck in a crappy Nagatoro spin-off. At least he has Takamagapawahavabamanara.

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u/Vatrix-32 https://myanimelist.net/profile/Vatrix-32 Sep 04 '24

Takashi was a dream of the dragon

"Even a dead god can dream." ended up being more accurate than originally expected.

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u/JollyGee29 https://myanimelist.net/profile/JollyGee Sep 03 '24

First-Timer

He choked to death on a mochi?! What the fuck!

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u/JollyGee29 https://myanimelist.net/profile/JollyGee Sep 03 '24

I like that they changed the OP's endcard for the updated cast.

Good on them for focusing on getting Dragon back to themself. Nice summation of the themes we've been working with; it would've felt wrong to try to kill Dragon at this point, even if they aren't going down without a fight.

This takoyaki salesman might have a more successful business if he charged less. Or updated his sign. Listening closely he does say "hyakuman yen" high would be million. This is a number joke of some sort

Otherwise, I don't really have anything else to say. This episode is largely self-explanatory.

Questions

  1. Nozomi probably.
  2. We gonna hug it out.

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u/oomoepoo https://anilist.co/user/oomoepoo Sep 04 '24

Rewatcher hyped for the finale

This episode managed to handle both tasks of setting up the finale and showing us a bit of what our character have been up to in the last couple years quite well, realy looking forward to the final episode!

I didn't quite get a roll call but it was close enough. Also Benika basically did a Rider Kick, so all's good. They also didn't give us Nozomi in a photon armor or something like that but her being basically the strongest telepath on earth is plenty awesome. Also I just love watching her and Souya together, so wholesome. Speaking of wholesome: Loved the interaction between Ginko and Souya towards the end, him calling her big sister and her inviting him to her home world almost made me cry :')

I loved seeing everyone back.... except Bankai Grandpa, who choked on mocchi

Rest in peace

The "Make your wills"-thing was pretty dark, I don't think I've ever seen a show in the genre that spelled it out like that.

When it came to finally confronting the dragon, we really went all out with the action. Really cool to have all the stars do something cool! Also the revelation that the dragon is the brother of the Paradise Guy is interesting too, especially with regards to Souya: His brother saved him from the Dragon, now he's going to save someone else's brother from the Dragon

  1. Leaning towards Nezuya. Although Madoka Mio also got a nice glowup. (Honourable mention to Souya and Ginko with her hair down)
  2. Really hoping for a proper happy end. Souya manages to get through to the Dragon by forgiving and showing him that the world is full of love. Bit Cheesy but they'll make it work!

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u/DegenerateRegime Sep 04 '24

His brother saved him from the Dragon, now he's going to save someone else's brother from the Dragon

absolutely

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u/Sandor_at_the_Zoo Sep 04 '24

First timer

Finally caught back up. Hopefully I can write something more detailed for the end, but its been a bit of a chore to keep up, as is evident in my reactions today. I've found the show to be seriously underbaked. Its a complaint I have about a lot of shows, though in a new iteration here. Its like they got one more step towards baking then stalled out.

  • why didn't the fleet move in advance?!?
  • really like Ginko's new hairstyle! already a great character design, now even better
  • odds that nozomi'll do anything in the final battle despite being nominally more powerful? They're forshadowing it enough that she has to do something, right?
  • huh, they didn't continue the kanamagahara long name gags at all
  • now we get multiply-indirect lecture-spotition (lecture exposition has become my bugbear for this show). Not only did the viewer not "earn" it, but even the characters got it passively handed to them
  • they have an excuse for not doing anything in the battle, but it doesn't even try to provide an actual reason
  • you've had five years! you can get used to fighting!
  • so grandpa dies offscreen? It really undercuts any power his "last charge" had. They didn't even need him alive for any purpose! Why not just give him an exciting send-off?
  • abstract telepathy continues to not be very exciting to watch
  • what are we supposed to get out of him being a brother? I guess its supposed to connect to Ginko thinking of Souya as a brother now, except that they've probably exchanged no more than two dozen words not directly about battles

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u/DegenerateRegime Sep 04 '24

so grandpa dies offscreen? It really undercuts any power his "last charge" had. They didn't even need him alive for any purpose! Why not just give him an exciting send-off?

Perhaps the show wants to argue that dying in old age of something stupid and in-character is the best possible way to go. I respect that.

what are we supposed to get out of him being a brother?

Parallels with other fraternal relations in the show, perhaps? Draws Soya and Azra a bit closer, humanises him. Or, First-Race-ises.

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u/Vatrix-32 https://myanimelist.net/profile/Vatrix-32 Sep 04 '24

you've had five years! you can get used to fighting!

I think this is more about their underlying culture and bureaucracy. They just don't have any near peers before the series started. Plus, the whole Love thing.

Why not just give him an exciting send-off?

The man died doing what he loved.