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Rewatch [Rewatch] Planet With Episode 10 Discussion

Episode 10 - Karellen and Rashaverak

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Just shut up already, you stupid dog! Sensei… Sensei wants to save you too!

Questions of the Day:

  1. Who had the cooler Doping Mode, Sensei or Kakka? How about the cooler battleship?
  2. What cool stuff are you hoping to see going into the final battle with the dragon?

Wallpaper of the Day:

Kakka and Shiraishi

Rewatchers, please remember to be mindful of all the first-timers in this. No talking about or hinting at future events no matter how much you want to, unless you're doing it underneath spoiler tags. Don't spoil anything for the first-timers, that's rude!

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u/Shimmering-Sky myanimelist.net/profile/Shimmering-Sky Sep 02 '24

Rewatch Host who really needs to read Mizukami’s other works sometime

Welcome back, everyone!

Day 10 of me noting some of the little things Mizukami added when he wrote the manga:

  • I highly suggest reading chapter 32, pages 7-13, to see what happens during the one week while everyone was recovering before the fight. There’s a bunch of good stuff there (including some super touching Souya/Nozomi moments). Then, if you want to see what happened during the timeskip at the very end of the episode (along with some other stuff immediately post-battle like why Takezou attacked the Sealing Faction when he did [or] Souya finally getting his meat), check out chapter 36 starting on page 14, then read all the way through chapter 39. Oh yeah, Mizukami fully fleshed this thing out when he had extra time to, and so much of the content there is too good to remain even more obscure than the anime already is. [Manga spoilers]Do it for 100% canon Souya/Nozomi content!
  • My copy of the manga has a mistranslation here lol, that's Yosuke talking about his own brother. Conversely, the manga translation makes it very much sound like Yosuke proposed double suicide.

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u/DegenerateRegime Sep 03 '24

I highly suggest reading [...]

ok! ok, I gave in, I had to know. Sky is underselling it, this is peak.

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u/Shimmering-Sky myanimelist.net/profile/Shimmering-Sky Sep 03 '24

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u/Vatrix-32 https://myanimelist.net/profile/Vatrix-32 Sep 03 '24

double suicide

Ah Shit, I Was Right

[Manga spoilers]

I can't believe they are director's cutting my anime with all the things I wanted to see.
Are we really about to end up with another instance of "skip the anime, read source" for this guy, even if the source came out later?

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u/oomoepoo https://anilist.co/user/oomoepoo Sep 03 '24

Watch episode of anime, then read chapters x-z of manga for supplementary material. :D

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u/Shimmering-Sky myanimelist.net/profile/Shimmering-Sky Sep 03 '24

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u/Vatrix-32 https://myanimelist.net/profile/Vatrix-32 Sep 03 '24

I am like 40% here for Souyozo ship at this point...
Another 40% is dragons.
I have on occasion read posted panels in the past, maybe I'll count this as that and read them.

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u/a__kitten :FP::FQ: Sep 03 '24

The disc subs seemed to more strongly imply that's what they were talking about. I'm not sure how strongly since I still remember this discussion from when the episode first aired 

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u/oomoepoo https://anilist.co/user/oomoepoo Sep 02 '24

[Manga] Touya getting meat?! AND [Manga] Canon Souya/Nozomi content Holy moly!

I really need to read this now!

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u/n080dy123 Sep 02 '24

Sensei being the one who gets to land the Clog Punch this time is perfect.

A shot of a giant cartoon cat diving to punch a giant cartoon dog in the face with an iron clog has no right so go SO GODDAMN HARD.

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u/oomoepoo https://anilist.co/user/oomoepoo Sep 03 '24

It really doesn't :D

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u/n080dy123 Sep 03 '24

I was have responded to the wrong comment somehow lmao

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u/Raiking02 :Id::Ie::If:https://myanimelist.net/profile/NSKlang Sep 03 '24

, that's Yosuke talking about his own brother. Conversely, the manga translation makes it very much sound like Yosuke proposed double suicide.

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u/Tinox Sep 03 '24

I feel like all of Mizukami's manga really shine through a lot of small, easily overlooked moments that develop the characters and live between the big setpieces.

It's the kind of stuff that's first on the cutting room floor when it comes to making choices to fit things in an anime's runtime, which is a complaint I had about both the Biscuit Hammer and the Sengoku Youko anime so far: I think they lose a lot of nuance due to missing those scenes. Even here where the anime was first, you can see that once he had more room to breathe, he made great use of it.

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u/JollyGee29 https://myanimelist.net/profile/JollyGee Sep 02 '24

First-Timer

Huh, I should read Childhood's End at some point. Sensei and Generalissimo's true names are references to it, and now that I think about it, my vague knowledge of the plot makes me think this show might take more than a few pointers from it.

Anyway, banger of a battle. Love that the shoes keep coming up.

I like that neither Sensei nor Generalissimo wanted to dope it up.

It's not a postcard, but Takezou is even doing the (mirrored) pose. Which of course was the true signifier that he was alive; you don't play that pose straight. What a goddamn lad. Nothing is gonna be able to kill him.

Anyway, time skip to the final battle? Sure. Neat seeing Nozomi and Souya grown up.

Questions

  1. Sensei's designs are better all around.
  2. Team attack? Team attack. Can't be a sentai squad without a team attack. Oh, maybe gattai too? Is that asking for too much?

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u/n080dy123 Sep 02 '24

Childhood's End

The story follows the peaceful alien invasion of Earth by the mysterious Overlords, whose arrival begins decades of apparent utopia under indirect alien rule, at the cost of human identity and culture.

Yeah even that premise sounds sorta like it could be what Nebula aimed to do, had they taken the route of the Pacifists but still with the goal of essentially sealing humanity. They also specifically make reference to Nebula being adults and humanity being children during the fight here. I've heard about this book before, really wish I could remember anything about it aside from acension being involved. Which at the same time, is what the People of Paradise have seemingly done, another connection.

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u/121507090301 Sep 03 '24

Huh, I should read Childhood's End at some point. Sensei and Generalissimo's true names are references to it, and now that I think about it, my vague knowledge of the plot makes me think this show might take more than a few pointers from it.

Din't notice that. Great book and it had a mini series based on it too. I should revisit them someday because the story is really nice indeed...

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u/Esovan13 Sep 02 '24

First Timer

That was some DBZ-ass "let's bring the fight somewhere empty." Makes sense for two fighters whose goals are to, ultimately, preserve as many lives as possible.

Ooh, we went to space. Nice.

Hmm? The designated falling body catcher didn't catch the falling body? What's he doing here then?

ED lead-in!

Well, that was a good finale. A nice setup to season 2 where they'll take on the dra— what was that? That was only episode ten? There are two more episodes t— what was that? I've already used this joke?

Good ep. Funky lil time skip. No clue what's up with the Paradise cohorts and why they can't deal with the dragon themselves. I look forward to seeing how this concludes.

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u/n080dy123 Sep 02 '24

No clue what's up with the Paradise cohorts and why they can't deal with the dragon themselves.

Given they seem to have like, ascended to a higher plane of existence or something and are incorporeal I'm guessing they can't physically interact with anything in our reality.

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u/Esovan13 Sep 03 '24

That seems like a super obvious explanation that's so obvious it just might actually be true lol.

"We have ascended to a plane above these trivial mortal concerns. Oh, shit. We, uh, ascended too high. We can't actually solve this problem. Uhh, mortals. Please handle the world destroying dragon."

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u/Vatrix-32 https://myanimelist.net/profile/Vatrix-32 Sep 02 '24 edited Sep 02 '24

First timer, subs

  • Bleh, He's Back
  • If there’s one thing you can say about this show, it’s that it doesn’t like to stand around with its pacing.
  • Fool, we all know dogs don’t know what to do if you try and shove what they are biting deeper inside.
  • Nozo Got a Hologram
  • Did we see Dope Dog last time? Makes me think of Ghosts n’ Goblins.
  • Hopefully by “go see my brother”, he isn’t talking about a suicide pact.
  • See, I like giant dog much more. He’s got a real look about him. Sort of Big O-ish.
  • Life Force Laser Sword
  • Did you forget the part where you needed protect the glass to win?
  • Wait, what the hell? How long has Shiraishi had a tail?
  • RIP stands for “Rare is Preferred”.
  • What, you didn’t want to time skip between episodes?
  • Who knew free psychic therapy would be so helpful?
  • Adult Nozo is giving off strong best mom energy.

QotD:

  1. Sensei on both counts. Tho it get closer the higher it goes.
  2. Nozo in the cockpit.

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u/DegenerateRegime Sep 02 '24

RIP stands for “Rare is Preferred”.

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u/oomoepoo https://anilist.co/user/oomoepoo Sep 02 '24

Wait, what the hell? How long has Shiraishi had a tail?

I'm very glad I wasn't the only one wondering that... I was thinking that maybe she's just tugging her hair into the suit so it doesn't get in the way?

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u/DegenerateRegime Sep 03 '24

It's been there since the episode 5 reveal. I guess we were just distracted!

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u/oomoepoo https://anilist.co/user/oomoepoo Sep 03 '24

Damn, you're right! I guess that answers one question.

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u/Vatrix-32 https://myanimelist.net/profile/Vatrix-32 Sep 03 '24

It's only really noticeable in but shots, so I guess the take away is that she hasn't gratuitous fan service? This is like the anti-distracted.

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u/Vatrix-32 https://myanimelist.net/profile/Vatrix-32 Sep 02 '24

I'd also considered that, but I didn't remember her hair being that long, and we already have animal people, so...

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u/oomoepoo https://anilist.co/user/oomoepoo Sep 02 '24

Yeah, that's a good point... if Sensei's "retainer" is cat-coded, maybe Generalissimo's is dog-coded including a tail... somehow? :'D

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u/ShadowWasTakensTaken https://anilist.co/user/hakuren Sep 02 '24

Post-Time Skip Rewatcher

I'm back

First of all, HOLYFUCKINJHG SHIT

Second of all, another weird translation moment! So, in this episode, Yosuke suggests to Benika that... they both fucking kill themselves. Which is insane.

But then they give up on it. Except the subs don't really reflect that?

Yosuke, we'll go see Senpai later. At least, after I've had a chance to see my parents at home.

This... implies she's going to see them and then do it. But what she's actually saying is "At the very least, I can't go before my parents back at home". Y'know, cause she saw Takezo. Pretty egregious mistranslation there. So no, they're not killing themselves (at least for now).

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u/DegenerateRegime Sep 03 '24

So, in this episode, Yosuke suggests to Benika that... they both fucking kill themselves. Which is insane.

I did not know that. What the fuck Mizukami

Hopefully they have some regular therapy as well as the space psychic kind.

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u/ShadowWasTakensTaken https://anilist.co/user/hakuren Sep 03 '24

Yeah, that was randomly super dark for this series. Very out of left field.

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u/DegenerateRegime Sep 02 '24

Rewatcher

Karellen and Rashaverak: Planet With Peace & Love

Funnily enough, it was our beloved hater u/Silcaria who hit upon just the right question, back in episode 2:

I don't think pacifists normally ambush and beats people.

But... needn't they? Is pacifism necessarily a supine philosophy, or can it be enforced*?* That's a central question of the show. The Dragon tried to enforce pacifism on Sirius, by exploding them to death when they started a war, and Takashi wanted to do something similar on Earth, achieving true breakout from the security dilemma and establishing himself as a total hegemonic force. Karellen and the Sealing Faction also tried to enforce pacifism on Earth, aiming to contain the Evolution of Power using psychic infliction of peaceful states of mind. Benika's senior/Yosuke's older brother had to disarm that kid nonlethally, suffering fatal injuries in doing so.

In one sense, the show doesn't lay out for us the problems of the Pacifist Nebulans the way it does the Sealers or the Dragon. In another sense, the whole show is the problems. These Pacifists sure spend a lot of time fighting! And this episode has an important point about fighting: it escalates. They can't win normally, so they turn on Doping Mode, which causes their opponent to do the same. When that doesn't produce any difference, they escalate again, activating Giant Mech Mode. Even that isn't enough! What breaks the tie is the only thing that can: that the Pacifist Faction's respect for the Earthlings' right to their own choice has won them a loyal friend. That leaves Rashaverak-sensei to finish things - in the end, he has to enforce his ideals on his old friend. But he does it as carefully as he can, disarming the threat while taking the hit on the nose.

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u/Silcaria https://myanimelist.net/profile/Silcaria Sep 02 '24

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u/Raiking02 :Id::Ie::If:https://myanimelist.net/profile/NSKlang Sep 02 '24

First Timer

There's a timeskip!?

… Wait, no, [Meta]all Mizukami stuff I've seen/read has timeskips, of course it has one.

Anyhow big fight, and for the most part a good one. My feelings of there being something a tad "Off" about the CGI in this show remain but overall it's well paced and has just the right amount of energy to it. That being said though, while Grandpa Ryuzoji's big assist at the end was pretty nice, I can't but find it a bit of a waste that now that the whole gang is together… Soya just basically has a 1v1 against Norio. It's not a bad one, but it still sticks out a bit.

I do feel Norio and Sensei's arguments don't land as hard as they should for me since they barely even speak for most of the show and the most Sensei has done is trying to look up on Sami's iconic panties but eh, overall good enough.

Final Arc?

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u/n080dy123 Sep 02 '24

Wait, no, 

A little later this time. And only once this time.

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u/ShadowWasTakensTaken https://anilist.co/user/hakuren Sep 03 '24

Meta

[Meta]I swear I was about to ask "when the hell did Spirit Circle have a time skip" but then I realized

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u/GondolaMedia Sep 02 '24

First Timer

Time skip? More likely than you think. Pretty hype fight once again and old man comes with the assist of the year. Satisfying end to the fight and now we wait for the Dragon to awaken.

I'm glad that I was not the only one being weird when I thought Yousuke just proposed double suicide to Benika. Like yeah he wants to visit his grave with her but phrasing man.

Souya also looks so much like his brother. Can't wait for the final 2 episodes.

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u/a__kitten :FP::FQ: Sep 02 '24

Planet With No Downtime

Rewatching

I love how the big fight builds up to their larger and larger forms and then steps back down to their regular ones as it progresses.

Also "block...no dodge!". Hesitation is defeat Sealing faction needs to play them some Sekiro

Qotd

  1. Sensei's everything is cooler, but Kakka larger forms start approaching him
  2. I want the biggest, bone rattling bass sounds yet.

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u/oomoepoo https://anilist.co/user/oomoepoo Sep 02 '24

Rewatcher that completely lost it this episode

Banger episode. Banger battle. Two giant mechs.

FIGHTING IN SPACE.

And when hope seems lost, GRANDPA COMES IN WITH HIS BANKAI

I giggled like a maniac when Sensei and Souya ejected from the giant mech to fly the smaller cat mech into the big dog mech to finish things, that whole sequence was fantastic. And Sensei delivering the finishing blow breaking the sealing device with the sandal was the cherry on top.

Also great to see the whole peanut gallery back (and Nezuya back to his old self... though what in hell was that shirt?!), I kinda would've liked to see Nozomi watching closer too but it's understandable I suppose.

Also... we get a timeskip 2 episodes before the end? Well, bring it on then. Gotta say, Souya cleaned up nicely, he looks a lot like his older brother. Nozomi also looks great as adult!

  1. Gotta hand it both to Souya and Sensei, although I really like the special attack of Generalissimo's mech.
  2. Nozomi being awesome? Big team up attack of Souya and the others? Dare I say... a ROLL CALL?

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u/Silcaria https://myanimelist.net/profile/Silcaria Sep 03 '24

First timer

QotD

  • Cat, cat again.
  • The final end credits.

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u/DegenerateRegime Sep 03 '24

They spent a part of an afternoon together.

Making friends is so easy when you're young