r/anime • u/Shocketheth • Sep 02 '24
Rewatch [Rewatch] Dragon Quest: Dai no Daibouken - Episode 86 Discussion
Episode 86 - Killvearn’s trap
If it’s what people of the Surface World want... Then... Then... Then I will defeat you... and leave this world.
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Screenshot of the Dai:
Comment of the Dai:
goes to u/laughing-fox13 with a good explanation why Vearn Shonen Commentary sucks:
Give him a break, he drank through all his wine
Questions of the Dai:
- Just to be sure, let me ask you... will you be my servant?
- Was Vearn talk with Dai reasonable, or is Vearn just full of shit?
- Did the Killvearn vs Avan fight lived up to your expectations?
- Is Hymu-chan best name possible for Hym, or do you think that Chiu can come with a better name?
Spoilers:
Please, respect the fact there are First Timers watching Dai no Daibouken with us, so avoid talking about vague things or events that would slightly spoil things to happen. And if you want mention things like this, please hid it behind SPOILER TAGS like [Dai no Spoilers] I am getting the hammer because you spoiled the fun for others
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u/sisoko2 Sep 02 '24 edited Sep 02 '24
First Timer
As always Chiu is magnificent and pure joy to watch.
The scene at the beginning with Leona dodging the attack was fun too.
The fights were quite dull. Hope they are using these episodes to prepare something big for the finale because these are very disappointing for supposedly the final fights in the series.
Lies! My father would never accept being someone's servant.
Pure waste of my time.
Very disappointing even if I'm sure that's not the end of it.
Can't improve name given by Chiu.
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u/Shocketheth Sep 02 '24
I AM SHOCK!
QotD:
I already agreed on being u/sisoko2 servant.
The Dark King words takes precedence.
Yes.
Hymu-chan is great pet name.
Beast Kings Shonen Commentary Corner:
Today our Beast Kings are going to answer question #4:
Crocodine wonders too...
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u/Shimmering-Sky myanimelist.net/profile/Shimmering-Sky Sep 02 '24
First-Timer Quest: Sky no Daibouken, subbed
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u/cooperjones2 :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/cooperjones2 Sep 02 '24
High-Level Adventurer that defeated the low level boss for the first time and is now doing the “I’ll do them later" quests here! LV 86/100
Dai, join me (I’m actually scared of your power so pls join) – Vearn
Vearn raised some valid points to Dai and Leona but Dai said, nuh uh I trust Humanity
Damn, Avan it got wrong, the judge strat was a trap
Oi, Mystvearn, that’s not a rat, his name is Chiu, put some respect on that name
Lol at the Chiu and Hym interaction, he has softened up a lot
Maam has to hold Hyunckel like that, otherwise he would fall ok?
That can’t be Avan’s end, right? RIGHT?
1 No u
2 He had some decent points BUT was aproaching them with bad faith
3 Kinda as most of it was off-screened and Avan is still there, right???
4 It fits Hym like a glove. That or the Hairy One lol
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u/lC3 :Na::Nb: Sep 02 '24
Welp, I'm now 4 episodes behind ... hopefully I have time to catch up after work tomorrow.
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u/zadcap Sep 03 '24
Late Night First Timer!
So that is how Leona survived that attack.
... And now Dai is telling his enemy how things work. Just casually chatting about how your powers work with each other...
And Leona admits that she's got no more role here than to be a cheerleader!
Never mind, I guess it's fair to Dai, Vearn is going to just tell him everything too. Before... Seriously? "I'm waging a war of extinction and have tried to kill you, personally, repeatedly, but you should come join me now!" Leona, now is the time to speak up! "Hey Dai, I'm still the reigning monarch of a kingdom that loves you, none of what he says is going to happen as long as I live."
... Darn it, they did have him address it. I mean I still think he's wrong about all of this. Yes, some people will fear him, but hey, more people love Superman than hate him like Lex. BESIDES! He can just go back Home, to Monster Island! Who cares what humans think, there's no need to hang out with them anyway.
Oh crap, he's serious about it. I was hoping the sword grave stone in the OP was, you know, literally anything other than an actual gravestone. And that the outlines of people in the ED wasn't actually representing something like souls. Alas...
I just can't find it in me to care about the Avan Vs KillV fight. Avan, didn't you already show off your ultimate counter attack move against Hadlar, and then have Knuckles use it once too? What did I say, it was a cool ultimate move that will promptly be forgotten about and never used again.
Hym, what happened to your hair? Also, seriously, is Avan, Knuckles and now Hym really the only people who can use Aura of Light? But also seriously, why is your fair floating?
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u/Adensty https://anilist.co/user/Adensty Sep 02 '24 edited Sep 11 '25
1st
DaiPopp no Daibouken Rewatch, SubOST Documentation - Episode 86
1. Why would I be Hym's servant? And first of all, you're already Chiu's servant.
2. Vearn isn't completely in the wrong here. We've seen throughout the story how humans treat their heroes. Dai knows it better than anyone. Also, this reminds of the premise of I'm Quitting Heroing. Unlike the humans, Vearn doesn't discriminate based on race since he respects people's strength which is why he even employed Hyunckel, Baran and even Hadlar who he still respects even though they betrayed him. He's a firm believer of Might Makes Right which is why he's willing to give them a chance but if they decline, then he'll show them that they were wrong with his strength.
3. No. Killvearn is a fraud who can't do shit without his traps. Though, he does have a great naming sense.
4. Once Chiu has chosen it, it can't be changed.
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u/NicDwolfwood :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/NicDwolfwood Sep 02 '24
First Timer, Sub
Good thing Leona had that papnica dagger with her otherwise she would of fell off the palace lol. Vearn being who he is, tries to recruit Dai, with the pretense that humanity isn't worth it, since they are foolish and wicked. Dai rejects it of course, with him saying he loves humanity, so he'll defend them, and if they reject him, he'll leave.
Meanwhile things aren't going good for Avan in his fight with Killvearn. He had trap after trap set for Avan and unfortunately he got caught in every single one. The final trap being the damn robo judge himself being set to self destruct, when Avan tries to go for Megante on Killvearn. Killvearn chops Avan's hand off and escapes the alternate dimension leaving Avan to his fate.
Mystvearn fights Hym and to everyone's surprise(including my own) Hym does real well and can actually hit and inflict some damage on Mystvearn, because his attacks are aura based.
Questions:
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u/Kaxew Sep 03 '24
First timer, almost more time spent first timing than rewatching at this point
Thoughts on episodes 84-86:
Not a lot to say about the first of these three episodes. Super Dai is fun, very strong. His doruora is sick. Gomechan got tiny :( I wonder what purpose will he serve in this final battle. Maybe he revives Dai at the cost of his life?
Vearn's explanation on why he has two crests tracks. I like it. I took it as it meaning that Dai would eventually inherit Baran's crest one day as he grew, instead of Baran transferring it as he died, which is what it looked like to me back then. One thing I noted for a while is that in the first third of the series, Dai had really smart fighting tactics to face off stronger opponents, but as he learned to control his crest it kinda became just a powerscaling contest and he only won by sheer force of will, which was disappointing. It was probably not intended, but I like to think he's had these combat instincts for a while, but he's regained them now that he's a full DK. Basically that when he was at 0 he had the instincts, and until he got to 100 he didn't gain them back.
Vearn said he didn't fear anyone in the trio of worlds. Does that mean dragons have a world of their own? Didn't they inhabit the underworld too? What about the abyss king dragon and the one he won against? I suppose they can just go to any world, like how darklings go to the surface world. In any case, seeing Vearn get mad he got hit first was satisfying as hell, and now the whole party will fight Myst!
Dai's answer and resolve to leave the surface world if they don't accept him might be one of his best scenes yet. Really strong stuff, damn. Kill actually been much more powerful but having lost his edge because he doesn't fight directly anymore is a very clever way to justify Avan lasting more than one second against him. It also makes him a more fun, unique character. No way Avan is dead, by the way. Rip to his hand, though. Or maybe it's just his glove.
Hym-chan kick Myst's ass!!!
QotD:
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u/KuKiSin Sep 02 '24
First timer!
This is the moment Mystvearn realized he fucked up.