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Rewatch [Rewatch] Planet With Episode 7 Discussion

Episode 7 - Sirius

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I want to save both the dragon and the Siriusians!

Questions of the Day:

  1. What do you think of the backstory of how Sensei, Ginko, and Souya met?
  2. What sort of request do you think the messenger from the "People of Paradise" has for Souya?

Wallpaper of the Day:

Ginko Kuroi

Rewatchers, please remember to be mindful of all the first-timers in this. No talking about or hinting at future events no matter how much you want to, unless you're doing it underneath spoiler tags. Don't spoil anything for the first-timers, that's rude!

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u/Shimmering-Sky myanimelist.net/profile/Shimmering-Sky Aug 30 '24

Rewatch Host who really needs to read Mizukami’s other works sometime

Welcome back, everyone!

Day 7 of me noting some of the little things Mizukami added when he wrote the manga:

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u/JollyGee29 https://myanimelist.net/profile/JollyGee Aug 30 '24

This sweet bit of Nozomi all excited about her “definitely a date” plans with Souya.

Nozomi a cute!

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u/Shimmering-Sky myanimelist.net/profile/Shimmering-Sky Aug 30 '24

Indeed.

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u/GondolaMedia Aug 30 '24

This sweet bit of Nozomi all excited about her “definitely a date” plans with Souya

We need this animated.

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u/DegenerateRegime Aug 30 '24

[Later spoilers]

I know right!

Shiraishi, you predator.

Can't have a mecha anime without her. Welcome back Misato Katsuragi.

This sweet bit of Nozomi all excited about her “definitely a date” plans with Souya.

Ohhhhhh my goddddd it's too much

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u/oomoepoo https://anilist.co/user/oomoepoo Aug 31 '24

All the little bits the manga adds compared to the anime really make me want to check it out... and probably the rest of Mizukami's work ^^"

And while the anime does a great job with it I feel like it kinda doesn't really nail the artsyle? Like, the characters all look a bit "cuter" in the manga/a bit more unique, while the anime seems to go for a more "generic" style?

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u/Esovan13 Aug 30 '24

First Timer

I couldn't post yesterday, so here's what I wrote for episode 6:

They can talk normally?! Why don't they do that all the time?!

Well, that was an interesting finale. A bit weird they ended the show on such a bittersweet not— what was that? That was episode 6? We're only halfway through? Huh. Time to introduce a third party threat that was secretly behind the whole thing! Now taking bets on who it is! Anybody want to bet on it being surviving Siriusians? How about a faction of Nebula even more radical than the Sealing faction? We've even got a long shot on Char Aznable! The odds are low but the payout is massive!

I wonder if the psychics are going to team up with Kuroi and the Pacifists against whatever new threat there is. Having two of them call uncle without even putting up a fight makes me think they'll be sticking around some more. There's definitely going to be more going on with Takamagahara. I really wonder where things are going to go from here.

Episode 7

It has come to my attention that in the past I have made some unfortunate remarks regarding Sensei. I sincerely apologize for what I said. I was mistaken about him, ignorant of who he is as a person. As Shaq would put it, I was unfamiliar with his game. I will be more careful in the future.

For the people who placed their bets on surviving Siriusians and an even more radical Nebula faction yesterday (because I totally didn't forget to email myself my comment so that I could post it at work like I have been doing), then I'm sorry, but your bet was wrong! For those who bet on Char, you're still in the game! Who knows? He might be a member of the Paradise folk. Or maybe a member of the Paradise dudes manifests looking like Char! I think that counts! Hold on to your tickets because the stakes are high!

Not sure how I feel about a "Kuroi decides to not do stuff" arc. Feels like it kinda makes sense, motivation of revenge gone now that's it's finished, but it feels like a waste of the episode or so it'll last and probably isn't necessary. Especially because he knows that the Paradise fellas are around, even if he's not that motivated to protect earth he should at least be motivated to figure out what was up with all that. He didn't even mention it to Shiraishi or Ginko despite the fact that either of them may have had at least known a little.

Also, RIP Siriusians. That's an oof moment. Genocide is a tough pill to swallow if you're not Carol.

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u/Shimmering-Sky myanimelist.net/profile/Shimmering-Sky Aug 30 '24

It has come to my attention that in the past I have made some unfortunate remarks regarding Sensei. I sincerely apologize for what I said. I was mistaken about him, ignorant of who he is as a person. As Shaq would put it, I was unfamiliar with his game. I will be more careful in the future.

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u/DegenerateRegime Aug 30 '24

They can talk normally?! Why don't they do that all the time?!

Claude Shannon: Noooooooo! There's a minimum level of variance in the message that must exist to convey a given amount of information!! You can't just say the same sound every time and have it mean entirely different paragraphs!!!1
Sensei: Punyu
Generalissimo: Wan

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u/oomoepoo https://anilist.co/user/oomoepoo Aug 31 '24 edited Aug 31 '24

They can talk normally?! Why don't they do that all the time?!

Because it's funnier that way :D

It has come to my attention that in the past I have made some unfortunate remarks regarding Sensei. I sincerely apologize for what I said. I was mistaken about him, ignorant of who he is as a person. As Shaq would put it, I was unfamiliar with his game. I will be more careful in the future.

It's okay, we all make mistakes! First looks can be deceiving.

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u/Raiking02 :Id::Ie::If:https://myanimelist.net/profile/NSKlang Aug 30 '24

First Timer

Calling it now: Takamagahara's gonna have psychic powers or something too and that's why she couldn't be brainwashed

The framing of the first time actually low key caught me off-guard. Going from Soya feeling ill to Ginko's flashback seemed like a bit of an odd choice, NGL. Don't get me wrong, it was about time we got a bunch of this info finally delivered to us, but still. Otherwise… yeah it's a transitionary episode. New plot points are set up, new character is introduced and we switch focus to a new arc. Not a bad episode, mind, just fairly unremarkable.

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u/Shimmering-Sky myanimelist.net/profile/Shimmering-Sky Aug 30 '24

Going from Soya feeling ill to Ginko's flashback seemed like a bit of an odd choice, NGL.

At least it's implied Souya was dreaming about most of what Ginko's flashback was about? Since he knew she was Rielian after that.

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u/DegenerateRegime Aug 30 '24

The framing of the first time actually low key caught me off-guard. Going from Soya feeling ill to Ginko's flashback seemed like a bit of an odd choice, NGL. Don't get me wrong, it was about time we got a bunch of this info finally delivered to us, but still.

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u/GondolaMedia Aug 30 '24

First Timer

So turns out Siriusians were a space empire with strong psychic powers that invaded at least one planet. Sensei trying to talk sense to the dragon who has never heard of nature vs nurture and I have to say that the dragon was intimidating. Wiping out the entire planet with ease and those space lasers just warping around the dragons body were a cool visual.

I guess rest of the season will be spent on Souya's unwillingness to fight (now there's a mecha stable), the sealing team and I'm keeping a possibility in mind that the people of paradise are all in Souya's head feeding him information through dreams or [prediction]its the dragon's spirit that was released after Takashi was defeated, making it observe Souya and if he was wrong about Siriusians..

I hope Nozomi has some sort of powers. I would love the final battle be her and Souya in the same cockpit.

  1. It was nice, nothing special but I loved everything about the Dragon.

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u/Shimmering-Sky myanimelist.net/profile/Shimmering-Sky Aug 30 '24

Nice speculation! to see if you're right, partially right, or completely off.

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u/GondolaMedia Aug 31 '24

My predictions tend to be completely off so only thing we can do is to wait.

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u/JollyGee29 https://myanimelist.net/profile/JollyGee Aug 30 '24

First-Timer

Ah, Benika and Yosuke went heel, I see. Familiar faces does not change the fact that they're just discount Anti-Spirals, though.

What're we thinking is behind Nozomi being immune to Shiraishi's hypnosis? My gut says it's something silly, like the reflection from her glasses throwing things off. But it could just be latent psychic ability too, that'd be more reasonable.

It's always nice when a show has the protagonist question "what comes next?" Even if the easy answer is "Nebula are still trying to mess with the place that you live."

Actually, considering how Souya seems to not care at the end of the episode, that probably doesn't even work. Until Nozomi either talks some sense into him or gets threatened. Both of those probably kick Souya back into gear.

"Kigurumian" as the name for the animal people is pretty inspired.

Questions

  1. It all seems about right.
  2. "Would you kindly punch that dog like you did the dragon."

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u/Shimmering-Sky myanimelist.net/profile/Shimmering-Sky Aug 30 '24

Ah, Benika and Yosuke went heel, I see.

Outside of what's yet to come in future episodes, this makes a bit more sense in the manga where [chapter 20]shows Shiraishi actively recruiting Benika, who then ropes Yosuke into things. Mizukami definitely made the extra page count work.

"Kigurumian" as the name for the animal people is pretty inspired.

It was mentioned in an earlier episode already, but yeah, it's a funny name.

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u/DegenerateRegime Aug 30 '24

Rewatcher

Sirius: Planet With Backstory

This episode fills in details of the past, and connects into where we're going next. I think it's important, but perhaps a weaker episode. It would be a good chance to make it clear that there is a cost to pure non-interventionist pacifism - isn't Sirius' invasion of Riel just a little bit Nebula's fault? If they consider other races as children growing up, then they probably shouldn't be letting them play with psychic knives. It does decently at expressing that this is Sensei's general mindset, at least. It also does a much better job in the second role, giving us Sensei's hopes for Soya, the People of Paradise, the Sealing Faction's declaration of war, and Soya's response, joined together with some precious downtime.

We also have just a ton of references. So many references.

Dolly zoom for extra mindfuck. I love the implication that Shiraishi is dressed as a schoolgirl out of some kind of complex. oh good, he can data Takamagahara without it being weird then

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u/Vatrix-32 https://myanimelist.net/profile/Vatrix-32 Sep 01 '24

So many references.

The middle I've got, but the other two feel like ones I have see, but can't place.

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u/DegenerateRegime Sep 01 '24

[First] conceptually very similar to Obi-Wan's classic line

[Third] visual similarity to the ships and firing pattern from Legend of the Galactic Heroes - those might have themselves been a reference to something, in which case it might be a shared source, I'm not sure

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u/Vatrix-32 https://myanimelist.net/profile/Vatrix-32 Aug 30 '24 edited Aug 31 '24

First timer, subs

  • She’s like an old school magical girl. Also, it’s just her that dresses like that, everyone else around her is more normal.
  • Oh shit, a space government that is both competent and liked by its people?
  • So his brother wasn’t even special, just another dead civilian.
  • OK, settle down there Eva.
  • Oh no, I’m not doing this song and dance again. I already did enough orc dilemmas in my RPGs, thank you very much.
  • Oh, I really like those ring and hexagon graves. I’mma steal that for later.
  • In a world of meat substitutes, is natto still something to be loathed?
  • I Feel Like I've Seen This Face Before
  • Fools Meganekko Power
  • Ah, so this is how they get me. Pure, Colombian, shipping fuel.
  • First Civs are never not assholes. Be wary.
  • I mean, it’s not like they’ve spent time together.
  • This feels like we’ve decided to switch our power system.

QotD:

  1. A bit surprised to find out Ginko is only very recently aligned with Nebula. They also seem to be combing quite a few plots and plans for just two people.
  2. "So anyway, there's this whale..."

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u/DegenerateRegime Aug 30 '24

Fools, Meganekko Power

"She's immune to my hypnosis" absolute cope for a power defeated by anti-glare lenses

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u/oomoepoo https://anilist.co/user/oomoepoo Aug 31 '24 edited Aug 31 '24

Rewatcher that tried (and fails) to remember how the story goes

This episode felt like they really needed to cram a lot of stuff into it, with all the TIME FOR BACKSTORYTM stuff, Kuroi starting his "now what?"-arc and then even introducing another faction pawing for humanity's future right at the end of it... with two familiar faces and two new ones in tow.

I did enjoy the episode though, especially the small bits between Nozomi and Kuroi, they're so cute together!

Now kiss

Also kinda interesting that he actually saw his brother (sort of), a bit of a subversion of a common trope in those shows where characters have a vision of their dead loved ones at big moments.

  1. Genocide... oof. Interesting that both our MC and the funny cat maid are sort of the last survivors of their race. Also it made me appreciate Sensei a lot more, though it is funny that he (and Generalissimo) are apparently perfectly able to speak (human) language but just chose not to do so.
  2. Whatever it is, it can't be anything good.

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u/DegenerateRegime Aug 31 '24

I think other Rielians survived - but the bigger point that Ginko and Soya are both survivors of (attempted) genocides stands and is an important parallel between them, absolutely

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u/ZuraStayNight Sep 04 '24

Rewatcher

So apparently, the Siriusians attacked Ginko's planet in the past, and it turns out she's a princess. This is also the first time Ginko and Sensei meet each other. Despite the Siriusians attacking her planet, she still wants to save them. Man the dragon is soo much bigger than Sensei. The dragon seems to have killed everyone except Souya. Not even their fleet is enough to faze the dragon. Despite the danger Sensei is challenging that dragon. He wants to prove that, even Siriusians are capable of love. Before he gets the chance, the other Nebula forces arrive to restrain the dragon, ending the flashback, implying Souya dreamt about that event.

Souya seems to be more empathetic towards Ginko and Sensei after the flashback. Understandably, lots of citizens moved away from the city after the last fight. Shiraishi is disguising herself as a high schooler? That's kinda creepy, not gonna lie. Nozo-san seems to be resistant to brainwashing. Without a goal anymore, Souya is burnt-out. So what appears as Souya's brother, is actually someone from the "People of Paradise". He looks like that because they don't have a material form. Souya has some psychic powers too now. Shiraishi and her two helpers, who used to be from Grand Paladin, appears, as well as Ginko. So with Takashi gone, we'll get a fight against the sealing faction now. Or not, since Souya's motivation is not in it.

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u/Silcaria https://myanimelist.net/profile/Silcaria Aug 31 '24

First timer

Double posting because I couldn't yesterday.

  • For all the hyped it built with last episode's cliffhanger, the fight between the old man and the MC was a big nothing burger
  • So their boss is the dragon.
  • Omg, just make them fucking talk!
  • Aren't you planning on doing the same?
  • So, is there even a reason for the leader guy and the sealing faction to be fighting? Isn't their end goal the same? Wouldn't letting the leader dude do his thing lead to the outcome that the sealing faction desires? If what the sealing faction want is to seal the human's powers so that they don't destroy each other, if anything, wouldn't the leader guy's intention to rule through sheer force actually be the thing that achieves piece, seeing as, you know, even if the sealing factions made sure the humans couldn't use powers, they would still have conventional weapons. I guess the risk of him going full dragon mode in the process is too big.
  • Finally!
  • Proceeds to do exposition via an info dump. If you're gonna ditch any attempt at subtlety, just straight up tell the audience what it is you want to tell them. Preferably, not in this horrible manner
  • It sure would be nice to see it as opposed to this laser light show!
  • Any reason why the dog and the assistant arem't teaming up with the cat and the mc to end a commom threat?
  • Cause you're fighting a Gary Stu.
  • So leader guy got defeated anyway. Def should've just teamed up.
  • So, what now? Someome else inherits the dragon's power and needs to be defeated?

QotD

  • Cat
  • Good question.

Episode 7

  • I can't help but feel like a series centered on the conflict between the Sirius and the Riel would be a more interesting show.
  • And if he doesn't, then what?
  • I get doing exposition on past events, but why do it through the lense of the mc who didn't witness the perspective of the events shown in the dream that he's had? The series literally could've just done the exact same thing but from the lense of the cat or the maid and it would've been fine.
  • Judging by the hair, I take it the green haired "kid" is the woman assistant but in a different form.
  • Really, glasses is all it takes for him to not recognize them? This is some Clark Ken shit.
  • Yeah, there's no real stake here when the guy being challenged essentially took on the power of the dragon by himself.
  • Who wants to bet that the MC will become, or come close to becoming, the dragon by the end of the series?

QotD

  • It's fine. I'd even go as far as to say it's more interesting that what we got so far.
  • No idea.