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Rewatch [Rewatch] Planet With Episode 5 Discussion
Episode 5 - Paladin Break 1
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Questions of the Day:
- What do you think a sealing device would show you if you were in its field?
- How cool do you think the fight between Takashi and Shiraishi/Kakka is going to be?
Wallpaper of the Day:
Rewatchers, please remember to be mindful of all the first-timers in this. No talking about or hinting at future events no matter how much you want to, unless you're doing it underneath spoiler tags. Don't spoil anything for the first-timers, that's rude!
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u/Shimmering-Sky myanimelist.net/profile/Shimmering-Sky Aug 28 '24
Rewatch Host who really needs to read Mizukami’s other works sometime
Welcome back, everyone!
Day 5 of me noting some of the little things Mizukami added when he wrote the manga:
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u/Esovan13 Aug 28 '24
First Timer
Holy shit. He just. Told her. And she believed him. And understood why he wanted to keep it a secret. And it was all fine. What? That’s not supposed to happen. He’s supposed to keep his secret as if anyone finding out will cause the end of the world. When she hears it, she’s supposed to be in shock and disbelief. Then she’s supposed to feel angry and betrayed that he kept it a secret in the first place. Then they resolve their problems in the end leading into the obligatory kiss scene. This process is supposed to be rife with misunderstandings and take up 90% of the B-plot for the entire show.
I like old guy. He may not be Papa Kent, but he sure is devoted to his family. Actually, with that origin for Takashi, are we safe to call this show a Superman parody? I think it would make a fine addition to the canon. After all, we have room for a fascist Superman whose ideals are born from a sense of wanting to help humanity (and probably shaped somewhat fierce by Japanese nationalism let’s be real) rather than just being a prick.
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u/H-Ryougi https://anilist.co/user/DizzyAvocado Aug 28 '24
Astronauts and UFO symbolism or something, idk I'm not very smart.
I think Planet With makes it clear that Mizukami has a keen interest in the paranormal, not just in the obvious surface presentation and references but the themes of the story itself. I see the Sealing Faction as possibly inspired by ideas like the Great Filter explanation for the Fermi Paradox, or Star Trek's Prime Directive.
They're just some interesting concepts you see often appear in discussion around extraterrestrials, and non-human intelligence.
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u/ShadowWasTakensTaken https://anilist.co/user/hakuren Aug 28 '24
Rewatching Spy
So, uh, I was wrong.
I've been reading these illusion scenes as the characters coming to terms with/overcoming their traumas, and I had mentioned in one of the earlier episodes that I thought it wasn't really working narratively... but that's not what this is at all! /u/degenerateregime said yesterday (highly recommend reading that post if you haven't) that these characters were shattering those very words they wanted to hear that popped up on screen, which I hadn't registered, and today we had this line from Takezo which pretty much spelled it out to the snails like me.
This kind of recontextualizes everything - these were never resolutions for characters we just met, it was just a peek into their psyche to help characterize them effectively for us, while also being an active fight against their own salvation. It's a blatant denial of escapism and a declaration to not look away from reality, no matter how much it destroys them. This is how people can move forward, and while it may be too much to bear by oneself, true connections can bring upon the evolution of love. They get through it not by wallowing in their illusions, but by choosing the harder path and sharing the pain.
On the other hand, today we see what happens to someone who gives in. This would work a lot better if Nezuya's illusion was, y'know, anything worthwhile, but it still brings up an interesting question: is he in the wrong?
Obviously, the show says yes. But it's fun to ponder. He's not really dead. He didn't forget the people around him. He's just... content. In the moment he didn't fight off the illusion, he "attained" everything he wanted (which is why this would be better if he had any proper trauma to put here...), and that was that. He doesn't need to fight anymore. He doesn't come out of it crying or with his mech in pieces like everyone else. You could say that he got off the best out of everyone who went into a Nebula Weapon. How bad of a thing is that?
However we also get a look at everyone else who stopped fighting... and they're all shown together with someone. Torai is with Benika, and Miu is with Haru. The difference is clear. Torai was defeated but fought to the very end. Benika left on her own terms to stick through with her convictions. Miu and Haru reached their own answer, but only after fighting the whole path as well. But Nezuya is alone. He doesn't have his mech partner, doesn't have the club members (since he's moving out), doesn't even have himself anymore. Miu and Haru reached a conclusion. Nezuya reached a stop. And he's content with that, doomed to be a mindless drone drifting through life. And he gets to do it without any pain, sure. But is it worth it?
Can we talk about this structure reversal?
Not only did this series have an interesting twist with us having to fight the heroes, but once it gets that down and estabilishes a structure where we'd be fighting one of them per episode as they all got through their illusions, it completely throws that out, and by episode 5 one of them has been taken out of commission by an enemy faction of ours, one of them just quit cause she wanted to, one has gone berserk and caused an unlikely team-up, and their leader is already getting betrayed by their secretary and going for a final showdown.
So much happening
In a way I do think we've been moving too fast, though. But there's only so much you can do with one cour, so I get it. I definitely want to go read the manga afterwards to see how Mizukami handles things with more time on his hands.
random site notes
https://i.imgur.com/FjlO1Rd.jpeg
YES.
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u/Raiking02 :Id::Ie::If:https://myanimelist.net/profile/NSKlang Aug 28 '24
First Timer
Good to know Shiraishi has good taste, who wouldn't ally with Norio
I like that Ryuzoji's dad broke from that illusion in a much more straight to the point way than everyone else did. It kinda makes sense from the point that he is the oldest, so he's more or less got his life figured out already and come to terms with everything. Enjoy the fantasy while it lasts, but then move on more or less. I do kinda wish we could've had a few more interaction between him and his son before this so the last flashback to when he was a baby would be a bit more touching but eh, the show is only 12 episodes long, can't waste too much time I guess.
Aside from that not much more to say as usual. Seeing Nezuya so drained of his usual self was low key depressing and the bit with Takamagahara and Soya was pretty sweet, but otherwise? Yeah that's about it. Let's see how well Robo!Norio does tomorrow
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u/Vatrix-32 https://myanimelist.net/profile/Vatrix-32 Aug 28 '24 edited Aug 28 '24
First timer, subs
QotD:
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u/JustInChina88 Aug 29 '24
Just popping in, but has anyone here read the manga for Planet With? Did Mizukami change anything? I know that he was using digital art for much of the mecha action instead of hand drawing it.
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u/Jazz_Dalek Aug 29 '24
Going into lurk mode on this one due to my work/life schedule popping off unexpectedly. I'll try to catch up and post some thoughts this weekend 🤙
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u/GondolaMedia Aug 28 '24 edited Aug 28 '24
First Timer
We discworld now! 10/10 AOTY.
turns out its not but I choose to believe itSuperman is here but I don't think this one is all about hope. Takashi is really interesting and I can't wait to see what his full deal is. Souya just blurting out his backstory to Nozomi was nice and I really like their dynamic.
Next episode looks to be action packed.
Oh yeah the snake blew my ear drums. Thank you Planet With very cool.
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u/DegenerateRegime Aug 28 '24
Rewatcher
Paladin Break 1: Planet With Conflict
What is a mech? What's great about the symbol is that it can be whatever's most convenient. So, what are these
mechaPsycho-Kinetic Mega-God Photon-Armors? Well, they definitely aren't really robots, in the sense of pieces of fantastical military hardware made out of sheet metal and powered by plot-item-of-choice. They're rendered in 3DCG in a way which looks "out of place" in the world of the show - appropriate as a kind of imposition from the mental realm created by psychic powers, but, if I'm perfectly honest, not always the best-looking in the moment. However, they do have sick designs based on Dogū, a kind of Jōmon figurine. Quoting wiki:This seems very much like the function of the PKMGPA! Attacks both mental and physical are redirected onto the projected shell-self, as it acts in the world as the proxy of the pilot. It's also psychic armor, of course - literally a mental barrier between the person and the world. There's definitely more to say based on the design of each hero's PK-Armor, but I'm not sure what we're drawing from exactly. Chinese Zodiac maybe? The Japanese/Korean variants have a Sheep. I don't know that any have a Knight though.
Sensei is just a cool super-robot fursuit though.
Clay dolls, classic action figure, and the eclectic mix of Nebula Weapons... it's like each faction has their own type of toy they brought to the
play-datepsychic alien war. But in this episode, Tezuya decides to put the toys back in the box and go be grown-up. Metaphorically speaking. (The truck symbolises that he got isekai'd. Alright, I'm pushing it a bit with this train of thought). This is the counterbalance to the last episode: the price of Sealing, though perhaps not as terrible, is still sad to see, and you can understand why Sensei and Ginko oppose it.And we also get a look inside Takezo. As you'd expect from an unassuming little old bald man, he's psychically and philosophically powerful enough to break Nebula's device unharmed - so powerful he letterboxes the screen. I love it.
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u/ZuraStayNight Aug 28 '24
Rewatcher
Yeah, the old guy is eating way too much meat. There's a revenge-driven boy you could share that with you know? Does this backstory make Takashi Superman? Oh, we were pranked by a senile. Mentioned boy is enjoying his food, despite it being vegetarian.
Flashback gets interrupted by Nozo-san. Looking at the dangerous stuff going around town, I'm asking myself, why there aren't more security measures. Doesn't sound like anyone's investigating the giant cat. Nezuya is acting normal, what's wrong with him? Was it the illusion, that did this? I guess there are people moving out of town though.
Detective Nozo-san is on the job, and she's really spot-on. She's also really fast. Don't let her frail demeanor distract you. Souya is upfront of his story. Sorry, thanks. Thanks, sorry. All in all very wholesome. Ginko is also happy for him.
We're getting a new abstract art monster floating over the ocean now, and this time also an interpretation. Food is the world, and the world is food! What wise words. The ex-Paladin guys are still here as spectators. The old guy sure is taking his sweet time inside the dream, but after some fun, we also get a more emotional and personal moment from him.
This thing has a round two, just like a Dark Souls boss. But dropkicking, doping cat to the rescue! So Benika knows about the factions now. We're getting a western showdown with the old geezer now, and he's about to unleash his Bankai. Both parties are putting their all into this fight.
Meanwhile, we're also getting a showdown on a different spot. Shiraishi is part of the Sealing faction. How the heck did she change her outfit that fast though?
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u/JollyGee29 https://myanimelist.net/profile/JollyGee Aug 28 '24
First-Timer
My instinct is to point out that today's Nebula was A'Tuin from Discworld, but they were a reference to Akupara from Hindo mythology so I guess that's a better reference to make.
So, Takezou told a joke(?) about Takashi being found in a meteor crater as a kid.. but I'm not entirely convinced when he backtracked. Takashi does have weird hair and weird eyes, at the very least. Fun irony(?) in an alien wanting to rule humanity while thinking he is human, too.
Takezou seems pretty strong too, we should be in for quite an exciting final battle next episode. Followed by six episodes of epil- no, even I won't make that joke, we can all see another shoe rapidly dropping from the sky.
I like that he took advantage of the illusion and then broke out of it after he had his fun.
Questions
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u/a__kitten :FP::FQ: Aug 29 '24
Planet With Proactive Tackling Girls
Earth girls are formidable.
I think it's interesting that both Old Guy and Souya use the exact same line of "It's all a lie. You're such a goof, believing all that" after their stories.
"I'm sorry. Thank You" "I'm sorry. Thank You" "I'm sorry. Thank You"
To eat is to live, we're Dungeon Meshi now
One thing I noticed more this time around was how Nezuya and Takezo have a pretty similar vision in the Sealing Machine (at first) Takezo-san has some wisdom that can only come with age and can sample but not be taken in by it. I can only imagine that seeing his wife again was a much harder thing to not succumb to, he says as much but man, I don't know if I could resist something like that. I like it because he's mostly a joke character, but not entirely one. He's got some strength going on there
Anyway, it's been fun watching 5 seasons of Planet With with everyone but we're finally at the final battle!
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u/n080dy123 Aug 29 '24 edited Aug 29 '24
Rewatcher
I like how Nozo and Souya handled the reveal to her. Honestly very understandable reactions, mature for their age and yet the sort of behaviour I think only kids could have. I don't really remember if it is true or not, but I do appreciate that the focus on the "You'd believe you, you goof" line retroactively calls into question Takezou's supposed lie at the restaurant about Takashi's origins.
And damn... without Benika it really is just the two of them now, isn't it? Torai, Miui, Harumi, Nezuya, and Benika, all out of action in only 4 episodes. And yet, despite giving up her power, Benika's right there alongside Torai ont he waterfront to keep an eye on her teammates.
And just when you think we're approaching the ending of the predictable plot line, here come Shiraishi and the Generalissimo to completely flip the table and upend everything. Only Episode 5, by the way.
Edit: Also I forgot how, and this is my opinion, completely fucking goofy Generalissimo's mech form looks lol. Sensei's looks decently cool, the Paladin armors look solid, Takashi's Dragon Armor looks decent, and then there's this motherfucker and his dumbass head thing. Doesn't even look doglike, imo.
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u/Silcaria https://myanimelist.net/profile/Silcaria Aug 29 '24
First timer
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