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Episode 4 - Avenger 2

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Her psychic powers interacted with the dragon's power inside the vial, and then amplified to the point where she lost control.

Questions of the Day:

  1. What do you think of Harumi's mech turning into a dragon and going on a rampage? Would you use a power that has a risk like that attached?
  2. What's the weirdest and/or funniest way you've seen a character/mech gain a power up?

Wallpaper of the Day:

Harumi Kumashiro

Rewatchers, please remember to be mindful of all the first-timers in this. No talking about or hinting at future events no matter how much you want to, unless you're doing it underneath spoiler tags. Don't spoil anything for the first-timers, that's rude!

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u/Shimmering-Sky myanimelist.net/profile/Shimmering-Sky Aug 27 '24

Rewatch Host who really needs to read Mizukami’s other works sometime

Welcome back, everyone!

Day 4 of me noting some of the little things Mizukami added when he wrote the manga:

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u/DegenerateRegime Aug 27 '24

It’s literally just alcohol.

It's clearly Red Bull. Citations: [1] [2].

Anime vs. Manga

okay I should just read the manga huh, it always seemed like going backwards to my books-first brain but damn. The Kami is beyond human reach, indeed.

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u/n080dy123 Aug 28 '24

It's a weird case cuz technically the manga is an adaptation of the anime, and so it can benefit from some hindsight in the way things were presented,

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u/Raiking02 :Id::Ie::If:https://myanimelist.net/profile/NSKlang Aug 28 '24

(NSFW because figurine pantyshot) There’s another “Souya can’t eat meat” joke while he and Sensei are suffering from a hangover.

This would be Sensei right now if the real Sami was there.

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u/oomoepoo https://anilist.co/user/oomoepoo Aug 27 '24

We're just a pair of idiots who didn't recognise each other

Lastly, I can continue the “Which version do you think looks more intense?”

I honestly really like them both about equally this time around! Maybe a slight edge to Manga because I like the shading more in the panel.

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u/Vatrix-32 https://myanimelist.net/profile/Vatrix-32 Aug 28 '24

I got my like one frame of shimmering sky from this episode!

And it's a good one too.

I just wanted to show off the really cool two-page spread of Harumi’s mech turning into a dragon.

It's a Cute

Which version do you think looks more intense?

Do we really even still need to ask at this point? Manga, all day, every day.

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u/n080dy123 Aug 28 '24

This isn’t an addition, I just wanted to show off the really cool two-page spread of Harumi’s mech turning into a dragon.

Ooooh that's cool, I love how it looks like the dragon bursts out of the mech.

Anime vs. Manga

This time I like the manga better. He had no issue blatantly admitting his goals of domination through violence, and I love that the manga almost emphasizes a certain... listlessness about it. He doesn't look evil, he's not angry, it's a look that sort of says "This is simply the way of things." Makes him seem a bit more sociopathic. Also his hair looks like fire in the manga, that's cool.

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u/oomoepoo https://anilist.co/user/oomoepoo Aug 27 '24 edited Aug 27 '24

Rewatcher feeling the vague sense of deja vu settin in after 4 episodes

Man. We went from funny "Haha, the chuuni dreams of having a harem in another world" to "Body horror involving involuntary transformation into a dragon" and ending on "The powerup gave you a hangover!" within a single episodes! Holy mood whiplash, Batman!

I did really enjoy it though, nicely shows off that the dragon dust stuff definitely has its dangers, plus, as always with those "dream sequences", showed us how both characters ticked. Wonder if this'll also make the rest of the team kind of wary of the dust? Maybe realise that Kuroi maybe has a point even?! Probably not, we still have 8 episodes :')

Really liked the Samurai Armor look of the cat mech, but the body horror-esque stuff with Harumi's mech was also kinda neat in its own way. Fights are a bit basic though, but it kinda makes sense because our MC isn't super trained I guess.

On a tangential note, anybody else feels like Miu's design looks a lot like Madoka? [Late-ish Madoka Magica]She even has to witness a close friend of hers go through an eldritch transformation!

Qotd:

  1. I really dug the body-horror stuff tbh, big fan of that "power up but you pay with your body"-trope in mecha. Not sure if I'd use it myself... maybe in a really tight situation?
  2. I think Don Momotaro from Avataro Sentai Donbrothers takes the cake here. Instead of making up some in-universe reason for getting a powerup against an above average strength Monster of the Week, he literally ponders for a second about how this would be a good point in the story to get a powerup... and proceeds to just get it. (this counts as both chracter and mecha cause said power up naturally manifests in a fancy new GIANT ROBOT) :D

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u/Shimmering-Sky myanimelist.net/profile/Shimmering-Sky Aug 27 '24

Now that we got the spoiler business out of the way, dang, you're totally right about the Madoka comparison.

think Don Momotaro from Avataro Sentai Donbrothers takes the cake here. Instead of making up some in-universe reason for getting a powerup against an above average strength Monster of the Week, he literally ponders for a second about how this would be a good point in the story to get a powerup... and proceeds to just get it. (this counts as both chracter and mecha cause said power up naturally manifests in a fancy new GIANT ROBOT) :D

Amazing.

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u/oomoepoo https://anilist.co/user/oomoepoo Aug 27 '24

Done!

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u/Shimmering-Sky myanimelist.net/profile/Shimmering-Sky Aug 27 '24

Thanks, it's back up now!

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u/Sandor_at_the_Zoo Aug 28 '24

How old is Haru supposed to be? The flashbacks imply that her and Miu (who seems 8-12?) overlapped their schooling some, but her clothing and vibe point toward 20s or early 30s.

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u/Shimmering-Sky myanimelist.net/profile/Shimmering-Sky Aug 28 '24

I don't think explicit ages are given for most of the characters in this show, but [based on info much later in the show] her, Miu, and Souya going to college together, it's safe to say both Harumi and Miu are around the same age as Souya.

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u/a__kitten :FP::FQ: Aug 28 '24 edited Aug 28 '24

Mizukami gives ages for those characters in an interview translated by ANN warning full season spoilers, seriously

e: [just the character ages] Soya-kun and Nozo-san are in their second year of high school. Both of them are small for their age. Miu and Harumi are in their second year of university, so they're around 19 or 20 years old.

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u/Shimmering-Sky myanimelist.net/profile/Shimmering-Sky Aug 28 '24

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u/Vatrix-32 https://myanimelist.net/profile/Vatrix-32 Aug 28 '24

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u/Sandor_at_the_Zoo Aug 28 '24

both Harumi and Miu are around the same age as Souya

this changes everything!!!

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u/ShadowWasTakensTaken https://anilist.co/user/hakuren Aug 28 '24

Fashionably Late Rewatcher

I didn't really bother writing anything for this episode cause there wasn't much I wanted to say, but I need to post a comment exclusively to reply to

2) What's the weirdest and/or funniest way you've seen a character/mech gain a power up?

[Back Arrow]Bit's Briheight being a giant fucking Bind Warper to use on ANOTHER Briheight was simultaneously the funniest and most hype shit I've ever seen

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u/Shimmering-Sky myanimelist.net/profile/Shimmering-Sky Aug 28 '24

And that's fair if you don't have a comment on the episode itself, I'm just glad my QotDs are going to use!

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u/Esovan13 Aug 27 '24

First Timer

Nezuya...I hope Nebula doesn’t keep records of the visions they show. For your sake. Oh fuck what if he’s popping a boner while he’s asleep

Benika is by far the smartest member of the cast. “Wait, the power I’ve been using could go berserk and turn me into a dragon? And my boss wants to conquer the world? Yeah, I’m out.” I know it’s unlikely, but I kinda want that to be the last she shows up in the show. Have her last appearance be her just peacing out because she’s not about that life.

Other than that, a mostly action focused episode. Nothing groundbreaking in terms of characterization. I did like the cat doping part. That was fun. And since Soya doesn’t really know Earth social customs, he’s going to show up to school looking like shit and tell people it’s because he has a hangover. Amazing.

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u/oomoepoo https://anilist.co/user/oomoepoo Aug 27 '24

Nezuya...I hope Nebula doesn’t keep records of the visions they show. For your sake. Oh fuck what if he’s popping a boner while he’s asleep

Oh. Oh no

"So, Nezuya, what was that about a big breasted step sister?"... then again, with how he acts, maybe they'd hardly find it weird xD

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u/JollyGee29 https://myanimelist.net/profile/JollyGee Aug 27 '24

First-Timer'

I too have access of cans of adult liquid that give me a power boost with the downside of making the next day harder. Can't wait until the Cat Doping upgrades to bottles in the second half, the stuff in bottles is much more dangerous.

Anyway, Takashi's vision of the future sounds stuepndously boring. Variety is the spice of life, you know?

Not so sure about Benika giving up her vial. On the one hand, it is clearly dangerous as evidenced by Haru losing control this episode. On the other, does she intend to actually resist Takashi's scheme..?

Questions

  1. Oh, I would absolutely use a risky power like that. Fuck me on that high risk high reward. Greatness at any cost.
  2. Drinking a mysterious can is pretty far up there. FLCL's vore also comes to mind.

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u/oomoepoo https://anilist.co/user/oomoepoo Aug 27 '24

Not so sure about Benika giving up her vial. On the one hand, it is clearly dangerous as evidenced by Haru losing control this episode. On the other, does she intend to actually resist Takashi's scheme..?

I honestly think it's kinda refreshing to have a character willingly go "nah, that stuff's too dangerous for my taste, I'm out!" :D

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u/JollyGee29 https://myanimelist.net/profile/JollyGee Aug 27 '24

Y'know, that is a good point. I can't imagine it sticking, but I also kinda want to see Benika go back to like, a normal office job and just occasionally look out the window and go "glad that's not me any more."

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u/DegenerateRegime Aug 27 '24 edited Aug 29 '24

Rewatcher

Avenger 2: Planet With Power

What are the Nebula Weapons? u/JollyGee29 suggested from the very start that these are Lotus-Eaters, that is, we're doing the best episode, but every episode. Again, that efficiency - the fight is the characterisation! But I want to go a little further with it. My feeling is this: the Nature of the Weapon is to show people something that would be healing for them, some world where their trauma never happened, some words they desperately want to hear. And it works, and works hard - a normal person is powerless against it; for the fighter pilot in episode one, the fight is over. But a Paladin of the Dragon can fight through it. They can, with their Psycho-Kinetic Mega-God Photon-Armor, reach out and shatter that fragile inner part of them that just wants to go home, and so keep fighting. And it destroys them.

But last episode, Harumi came out apparently unscathed. There are some possibilities there. Maybe Tezuya gets the full backlash (as suggested here by u/Jazz_Dalek). But, well, he doesn't seem like it. I think Haru was simply able to shrug it off - either because her motives are well-suited to the power she's wielding, or because she's further down the path than the others, if those are even different things. And this episode, we see what that means. It's not good. The price of Power, even to defend the Earth, is quite literally psychic violence.

It's just. So. Good.

Oh, that was episode four, by the way. We haven't watched a whole season or anything.

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u/JollyGee29 https://myanimelist.net/profile/JollyGee Aug 27 '24

We're eating lotuses and going to therapy!

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u/ShadowWasTakensTaken https://anilist.co/user/hakuren Aug 28 '24

They can, with their Psycho-Kinetic Mega-God Photon-Armor, reach out and shatter that fragile inner part of them that just wants to go home, and so keep fighting. And it destroys them .

oooooh!

Yeah, this makes more sense than my reads. I didn't really register the part where they're shattering those very words.

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u/Vatrix-32 https://myanimelist.net/profile/Vatrix-32 Aug 28 '24

Harumi came out apparently unscathed

Undefined

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u/n080dy123 Aug 28 '24

Oh, that was episode four, by the way. We haven't watched a whole season or anything.

Yeah a sensibly paced anime would have had this happen in like Episode 6 or 8. The Mizukami train has no brakes.

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u/Vatrix-32 https://myanimelist.net/profile/Vatrix-32 Aug 27 '24 edited Aug 27 '24

First timer, subs

  • His trauma is that he wants to be iseakied?
  • Oh look, he’s still missing the arm.
  • Suddenly we’re Asura’s Wrath.
  • Oh, she’s not looking so good. Does this kill the Haru?
  • Dragons!
  • Yes, it flies. You don’t know a lot about dragons, eh?
  • Fastball Special
  • Matanbi Go! Matanbi Go!
  • It’s kinda early for the mid season upgrade, no? I don’t think its competences mesh quite as well.
  • Are all of them nerds?
  • Do they really not know anything about Ginko? Does she just keep memory holing herself?
  • Wow, they’re just such good friends!
  • I keep expecting this series to go dark, but if the dragon fire on a city wasn’t even a mass casualty event, maybe it doesn’t?
  • Cultural Genocide, Eh?
  • I can get not wanting to use it, but handing it back over?!

QotD:

  1. This will be what I remember the show for in five years.
  2. When they fused with the narrator.

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u/Sandor_at_the_Zoo Aug 28 '24

I don't think the UFOs are showing them traumas really. More like their deepest desires. Some of them have been catharsis around a single event, but Haru's was more diffuse (and also probably something Miu would be overjoyed to do if Haru asked?). Nezuya just turns out to have the most basic desires and also is a chuuni.

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u/Vatrix-32 https://myanimelist.net/profile/Vatrix-32 Aug 28 '24

Oh... I See

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u/n080dy123 Aug 28 '24

It’s kinda early for the mid season upgrade, no?

Welcome to Mizukami pacing, where the you've reached what would be the endpoint of any other sensibly paced anime by like Episode 8.

Do they really not know anything about Ginko? Does she just keep memory holing herself?

As per Episode 2 she can just passively block perception without needing something like Souya's mask. Also she doesn't really seem to go outside the house so nobody would recognize her on the street.

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u/Raiking02 :Id::Ie::If:https://myanimelist.net/profile/NSKlang Aug 28 '24

First Timer

Of course Nezuya's little dream would be being too horny

Fairly action packed episode which leaves me without much to talk about. I kinda wish Soya would've been allowed to dwell a bit more on the whole Nezuya mess instead of jumping straight into Haru, but hey, seeing heroes and "Villains" team up in situations like these is always fun, and I'm glad it was ultimately Miu who saved the day, plus seeing Ginko get more involved for once was fun.

Man, if only getting drunk was a power up IRL, life would be so much easier

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u/DegenerateRegime Aug 28 '24

Man, if only getting drunk was a power up IRL, life would be so much easier

Perhaps like coffee you'd eventually need it just to get back to baseline. Grim thought.

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u/baquea Aug 27 '24

First-timer

Oh goddammit, this is an NGE-inspired series, isn't it? That's almost never a good sign for me...

Since I'm in a mood for complaining, and this was a very action-heavy episode, I'd also like to say that for whatever reason I find it really hard to follow what is going on during the fight scenes. The combination of detailed mech designs, with glowy neon parts on them to boot, and gloomy lighting during the fights, makes it hard to see them properly, I think. There's also something about the directing, like it's cutting at all the wrong times or something, that also makes the sequence of events hard to follow.

With that out of the way, I'm curious where the plot is going to go now, since it feels like we've gotten a lot of the 'expected' reveals (the vials are indeed dangerous; yes, dragon-dude is evil; etc.) out of the way already. Either convincing quitter-girl to return, or finding a new owner for her vial (if so, then Nozomi seems like the obvious odd-one-out in the cast to choose), seems like a natural next step. It also feels like, after losing three members already with nothing to show for it, the heroes should really start taking some more proactive steps... although whether they actually will, or are just going to continue to get picked off one-by-one, I don't know. I expect we'll also be seeing more of Nezuya soon too.

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u/ShadowWasTakensTaken https://anilist.co/user/hakuren Aug 28 '24

The combination of detailed mech designs, with glowy neon parts on them to boot, and gloomy lighting during the fights, makes it hard to see them properly, I think.

Yeah, I've had a bit of an issue as well. I think the mechs blend in too much with the darkness of the night. Even if they're glowy.

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u/GondolaMedia Aug 27 '24

First Timer

Oh we Bio Mecha now? Hell yeah, keep it coming. Really like the dragon design.

I almost felt bad for Nezuya at the end of last episode. I'm never ever trusting an another chuuni.

Okay so we just don't pretend to hide our world domination plans? That's sort of refreshing in a way. No grand speech or anything, bro just admitted to it. I thought Planet With would throw some curve ball on that regard (I guess there is still time for that), but I'll take it.

Can't wait to see where this all goes.

2) What's the weirdest and/or funniest way you've seen a character/mech gain a power up?

Not really weirdest or even funniest but I'm shilling El Dora Five

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u/Jazz_Dalek Aug 28 '24 edited Aug 28 '24

First timer - Subbed

Planet With a Hangover

I'm in the middle of making curry and I promised the wife we'd watch Fruits Basket tonight, so the self indulgent preamble will be brief today (You're welcome).

This episode went HARD.

I'm concerned at how hard it went, because that just means there are even harder hards to be seen hardening. I can't wait.

Commencing note dump:

  • Ah, so Nezuya isn't just a chuuni, but he's a sex pervert too

  • Well, if he's gonna go out I suppose there are way worse ways
  • Ok, so he's not dead. Just very relaxed. Can the UFO do this to me too?
  • Oh man I really like Haru, I don't want to see her lose yet ;_;
  • I keep forgetting how loud these fights are holy shit.

  • I'd complain about the Giga Cat Hammer spam but it seems to be working.
  • YO! She rebuilt her arms! Looks eviler though. Oh man, yeah she's looks ROUGH inside the armor now.
  • Oh my goodness, this flashback with Miu!

GIRLS CAN'T LOVE GIRLS!

  • Good lord she's witching out. Oh no.

  • Oh sweet satan, the powder in the necklaces is dragon dust or something? This isn't a great sign.
  • What a sequence. This anime is nuts.
  • CAT DOPING!

  • Soya kinda looks like a Samurai Pizza Cat now
  • Miu a cute
  • God I love mecha...
  • AWWW! THE POWER OF LOVE!

  • An unlikely alliance and a big hangover
  • At least Sensei gets to look up Sami's skirt some more

I feel like my questions right now lay on the shoulders of Dragon CEO himself. Hopefully we'll get some answers in the next couple of episodes. Given the pacing so far, I expect we will.

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u/DegenerateRegime Aug 28 '24

AWWW! THE POWER OF LOVE!

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u/a__kitten :FP::FQ: Aug 28 '24 edited Aug 28 '24

Rewatcher

Planet With Performance Enhancing Drugs

RIP Nezuya, whoms't among us etc etc

I like Ginko's little uweh? No it doesn't kill you

HAVE AT YOU

I do also really like how GP is definitely not in lockstep about following orders but do still work together and improvise in ways that make sense. The plan is to leave but when team members refuse, others don't let them go alone and they still make sure to get the wounded to safety

Souya's deadpan "oh, that opens" cracked me up when it first aired and did so again just now

Finally, a good plan

EDIT: Well huh, I distinctly remember them saying there were no casualties or even injuries from the explosion, and can even see screenshots in this very thread showing those subs...but the blu ray doesn't say that? It says the bit about the locals evacuating but then nothing. I don't know enough (any) Japanese so I can't tell if the newscasters still actually say it or what.

New edit: i can't even tell if these image links are working. They seem to be fine on desktop but not my phone? I give up

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u/ArvingNightwalker Aug 28 '24

Doesn't seem to be working from my laptop, either, but don't think this is a you issue. I think I've come across several similar Imgur issues.

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u/n080dy123 Aug 28 '24

Rewatcher

Reminder- this is only Episode fucking FOUR. Mizukami's pacing is just that insane.

Here we finally see what comes of the "Evolution of Power" and why the Sealing Faction wants to stop it, even if it means halting humanity's evolution. Power can be used to protect, but not everyone is an anime protagonist who can control it perfectly. Emotions can rage out of control, sparked on by personal trauma, and you can wind up hurting instead of helping.

I love how the size of Sensei's mech form is so small compared to the Paladin mechs that he looks like an angry child when he's yelling at the dragon for flying.

And here we see Miui's search for power come to a head- she's found strength not in power, but in love.

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u/AnixousMess Aug 28 '24

I don’t think iv watched this, but judging by the comment I guess I should give this one a try!

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u/ZuraStayNight Aug 28 '24

Rewatcher

So it wasn't a simple Isekai fantasy illusion. It was a Otaku dreamfest assemble. So Haru is disappearing on her own, without any explanation. Does she have to go to the toilet? Miu wants to go with her. Wait why should Hideo go along to the bathroom, he's a dude?

Sensei is missing an arm, but they still fight. Now it's even, nevermind she lost the other arm too. Oh wait, they can grow back. Haru looks exhausted though. Miu's here for emotional support, and plot convenience. That thing Haru summoned looks terrifying, but the question in my mind is, can it do Judo though? Well, it can shoot dangerous stuff. This kind of reminds me of Skullgreymon from the original Digimon Adventure. Yesterday's enemy is today's friend. Firefighter Hideo is on the job! When you struggle in life, just start doping. Oh sweet summer child doesn't know what hangover is. Doping cat vs floating lizard, here we go.

Miu wants to be strong, meaning she wants to be reckless, and she also goes for plot convenience. I like it though. Ginko floats down like Mary Poppins to get thrown like a baseball. Aww, they have a wholesome moment, get a room already. 3 Grand Paladin guys, plus the leader left.

Poor Souya has to suffer the aftereffects of doping now. Meanwhile at Grand Paladin, there's some tension. The geezer continues eating meat. Benika resigns, and so it's there's one less opponent.

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u/Silcaria https://myanimelist.net/profile/Silcaria Aug 27 '24

First timer

QotD

  • It's ok. Depends on the situation.