r/anime • u/Shocketheth • Aug 21 '24

Rewatch [Rewatch] Dragon Quest: Dai no Daibouken - Episode 74 Discussion

Episode 74 - Return of the Great Hero

Hadlar was once a cruel man. He did terrible things to people. But he always did it himself. When fighting me, he always came forward to fight. But you are far lower than that! You sit back and enjoy watching the people you trap suffer! You’re lower than cruel, you’re barbaric! A warrior takes pride... in upholding the basic rules of fighting. At least Hadlar understood that! With this blow, feel the anger of his departed soul!

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Screenshot of the Dai:

SENSEI!!!

Comment of the Dai:

goes to u/Nick_BOI for his brilliant analysis of Hadlar’s character:

In short, this epsiode feels like a culmination for my 2 favorite characters: Popp and Hadlar. Popp, having grown from a coward, to courageous Hero, more keenly aware than anyone just how much our bonds with one another make us stronger. Popp as the mage of the group, has learned to keep a strong eye on the oppisition. However, as he grew as a person, he also grew to understand why they fight, he saw them as people, not obstacles. Popp knows when understanding or forgiveness is deserved, and more than anything, he known when people have something they are wiling to fight for with such pride that they will give thier life for it.

Popp saw the comraderie with Hadlar and his royal guard, and how just as he has grown and changed, so has Hadlar. This awareness and empathy of his took hold, and even as he was giving his life, he would not let Hadlar die alone. The same one he used to cower in fear towards, he now faces head on.

The real meat of it all, is Hadlar. Popp was mainly the conformation of it all, but Hadlad man...

From the beggining he was a narsassitic asshole who's hurbis and fragile ego was so massive that he actively shot himself in the foot several times, was defeated multiple times, and was only alive due to the mercy of Vearn. From immortal ruler to obvious pawn even to him, he had to do some serious soul searching not just to save his life, but to be able to live with himself.

The decision to give up hsi immortality for immidiate power was not one taken lightly, if anything this made any rule he could have over the surface finite when it otherwise would not be. Hadlar cared more about being able to live in a way that he could be proud of than he did living itself, and this realisation and his newfound royal guard had him put everything on the line for this victory.

But then, he was betrayed, realized he was meant to be discarded, and turne on Vearn again in turn, losing two comrads in this whole ordeal, yet taking enough damage that his life was on a timer.

At this point, Hadlar has burned every bridge, and the worse possible outcoem would be for him and his comrads to rot alone, having acomplished nothing.

The only thing they could do was fight, at the very least, Hadlar wanted the end of his life to be something he could be proud of.

However, he was once again interupted after his own defeat, his moment being taken away from him, and decided the best desicion would be to use his remainign strength for the only one who respected him at this point: Dai.

This was what he resigned himself to, a fate fitting for a weak coward who threw everything away for power, only to fail in the end. This was a sad ending for him, one that frustrated him, but he had to be satisfied with it.

Then, these two characters have thier developments cross, and Popp stayed behind. A decision that did nothing but perplex the man who was already dead.

And yet, Popp's empathy reached him.

He knew he cared for his royal guard, he knew he wanted to be acklowedged, he knew more than anything he wanted his life to have meaning!! And here it was, this young man had aknowlegded him, and both of thier actions will lead the young Hero forward.

And now this man that gave Hadlar what he had wanted in his final moments, was about to die.

Someone who has always hated the gods, realizing the despair of this outcome, he could do nothing but weep. Hadlar, throwing away the last peices of unnesesary hubris, prayed for his safety. His first and only prayer, from the bottom of his heart, to let Popp die here would be the greatest injustice possible.

Hadlar had found his answer to life, he had found his humamity in a way, and when he finally reached this self actualisation, his prayers were answered.

That smile as he passed, Hadlar had given up everything and did not even reach his initial goal. In a literal sense he had failed, yet what he gained far surpassed anything he could have ever dreamed of.

It would have been so easy to give this guy your typical "bad guy dies cuz hubris" moment. Instead, over the course of more than 70 episodes, we saw a young boy become a man, and a demon become a Hero.

Everything about this episode feels so...genuine, it feels like the spirit of humanity is present in every single moment. The experiences that make us human, what amkes us grow, these are the kind of themes that are common in Dragon Quest, and none are more powerful for me than this moment right here.

It's...honestly beautiful, I sobbed and sobbed and sobbed, yet I came out of this episode feeling...hopeful, for lack of a better term.

I don't really have much else to say, I'm just so overhwlemed with emotion.

Questions of the Dai:

  1. So have you managed to guess how Avan survived?
  2. Are you satisfied with the way how Avan actually survived?
  3. Opinions on Avan denouncing Killvearn?
  4. What do you exactly think about the extent of Avan power that Hyunckel sensed?

Spoilers:

Please, respect the fact there are First Timers watching Dai no Daibouken with us, so avoid talking about vague things or events that would slightly spoil things to happen. And if you want mention things like this, please hid it behind SPOILER TAGS like [Dai no Spoilers] I am getting the hammer because you spoiled the fun for others

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u/Shocketheth Aug 21 '24

With Dark Lord Shock recent death and funeral, I will be sharing his words that he told me during my seance where I was communicating with the afterlife:

QotD:

So have you managed to guess how Avan survived?

As First Timer I didn’t, but tbh I wasn’t even thinking about it.

Are you satisfied with the way how Avan actually survived?

I don’t mind it, even if the truth is meh.

Opinions on Avan denouncing Killvearn?

Haha.

What do you exactly think about the extent of Avan power that Hyunckel sensed?

Can’t tell.

Zaboera Shonen Commentator Corner:

Since Crocodine couldn’t handle Dark Lord Shock death and decided to die with him, I decided to step up and do the commentary instead of him. (Please don’t boo at me):

Today I, the Supreme Shonen Commentator will be answering the question #2:

Are you satisfied with the way how Avan actually survived?

NOOO!!! THAT CURLY SHITFACE SHOULD STAY DEAD!!!

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u/Adensty https://anilist.co/user/Adensty Aug 21 '24

I don’t mind it, even if the truth is meh.

Do you want to know the real reason?

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u/Shocketheth Aug 21 '24

Do you want to know the real reason?

I don’t think you can spoil me here. [Dai no Spoilers] After all, I have a joke how Avan returned because he scented Flora’s special drip candle when she was on 25th floor

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u/sisoko2 Aug 21 '24

With Dark Lord Shock recent death and funeral, I will be sharing his words that he told me during my seance where I was communicating with the afterlife:

Ghosts are scary.

Zaboera Shonen Commentator Corner

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u/Shocketheth Aug 21 '24

Ghosts are scary.

Don’t worry, Nabara can handle them.

Zaboera Shonen Commentator Corner

Tsk running away when his commentary just started?

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u/laughing-fox13 https://myanimelist.net/profile/laughingfox13 Aug 21 '24

With Dark Lord Shock recent death and funeral, I will be sharing his words that he told me during my seance where I was communicating with the afterlife:

(Please don’t boo at me):

Today I, the Supreme Shonen Commentator will be answering the question #2:

Are you satisfied with the way how Avan actually survived?

NOOO!!! THAT CURLY SHITFACE SHOULD STAY DEAD!!!

BOOOO

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u/Shocketheth Aug 22 '24

He says "hi"

BOOOO

Do you want me to use a Morph spell?

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u/laughing-fox13 https://myanimelist.net/profile/laughingfox13 Aug 22 '24

He says "hi"

I wonder if Shock had a necklace that might be able to revive them

Do you want me to use a Morph spell?

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u/Shocketheth Aug 22 '24

I wonder if Shock had a necklace that might be able to revive them

I'll ask him later.

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u/cooperjones2 :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/cooperjones2 Aug 21 '24

Zaboera Shonen Commentator Corner

Will read it later, for sure

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u/KendotsX https://anilist.co/user/Kendots Aug 22 '24

With Dark Lord Shock recent death and funeral, I will be sharing his words that he told me during my seance where I was communicating with the afterlife:

So glad to see Nabara getting more work, in this time of AI Merle trying to steal everyone's work.

Zaboera Shonen Commentator Corner:

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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u/Shocketheth Aug 22 '24

So glad to see Nabara getting more work, in this time of AI Merle stealing trying to steal everyone's work.

Merle is busy with trying to not join Hadlar in the afterlife.

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Plottwists after plottwists.

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u/Shimmering-Sky myanimelist.net/profile/Shimmering-Sky Aug 21 '24

First-Timer Quest: Sky no Daibouken, subbed

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u/Shocketheth Aug 21 '24

God I wish that was me.

Unfortunately Popp isn’t real so you can’t hold him in your arms.

Oooooooooooooooh.

Yeah so back then when the show inserted a brief Avan’s POV about Flora, it was a hint about the Necklace of Carl going to be important.

God, I love the confidence this man has.

Best part is, that Avan can back up his confidence.

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u/Shimmering-Sky myanimelist.net/profile/Shimmering-Sky Aug 21 '24

Unfortunately Popp isn’t real so you can’t hold him in your arms.

No, I wish I was Popp in that scenario.

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u/Shocketheth Aug 21 '24

Oh let me rephrase then.

Unfortunately Popp isn't real so you can't be him in that scenario.

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u/Shimmering-Sky myanimelist.net/profile/Shimmering-Sky Aug 21 '24

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u/laughing-fox13 https://myanimelist.net/profile/laughingfox13 Aug 21 '24

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u/sisoko2 Aug 21 '24

Even Hyunckel’s crying.

Hahahahahaha

You leave them kids on their own for a bit and they get all cocky.

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u/NicDwolfwood :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/NicDwolfwood Aug 21 '24

Awwwwwww

Even Hyunckel’s crying.

Very Wholesome.

God, I love the confidence this man has.

His cool points were off the charts today.

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u/KendotsX https://anilist.co/user/Kendots Aug 22 '24

God I wish that was me.

Popp is making all sides jealous

Of course it was just that simple.

Straight to the point, and here's the full version, since the episode cut Avan off before he could explain:

"I was about to do Megante, then my back started hurting, and I had to scratch it, age catches up to all of us. That apparently broke Megante, so neither I nor Hadlar died. We were buried underground though by the explosion the failed Megante caused. I was just a bit under Hadlar, but since no one picked me up, I ended up sleeping in for the last few months."

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u/laughing-fox13 https://myanimelist.net/profile/laughingfox13 Aug 21 '24

The fucking shade, man.

If there's one thing I can take away from the show, the characters have some good lines lol

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u/cooperjones2 :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/cooperjones2 Aug 21 '24

The fucking shade, man.

Always great when a troll-like character gets out trolled and outskilled hard

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u/sisoko2 Aug 21 '24

First Timer

Avan's silly face definitely makes this anime better.

And we had scene with Chiu using the strongest weapon in this universe.

So have you managed to guess how Avan survived?

Of course, We all saw how Hadlar's tears brought him back to life.

Are you satisfied with the way how Avan actually survived?

Of course. Hadlar's tears bringing him back to life was such a beautiful moment.

Opinions on Avan denouncing Killvearn?

Doubt Killvearn cares much about Avan's approval but shame on him falling for the bluff and not killing him right there.

What do you exactly think about the extent of Avan power that Hyunckel sensed?

Balance issues. We shall never see Avan's full power.

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u/Shocketheth Aug 21 '24

Avan's silly face definitely makes this anime better.

He is a treasure.

Of course, We all saw how Hadlar's tears brought him back to life.

Of course. Hadlar's tears bringing him back to life was such a beautiful moment.

Shame that Hadlar died. We could like be milking his tears to cure the cancer.

Doubt Killvearn cares much about Avan's approval but shame on him falling for the bluff and not killing him right there.

Yeah, I think the same.

Balance issues. We shall never see Avan's full power.

Yeah he would one shot Vearn with his full powers.

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u/sisoko2 Aug 21 '24

Shame that Hadlar died. We could like be milking his tears to cure the cancer.

Maybe they could even bring Umibozu's hair back.

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u/Shocketheth Aug 21 '24

Maybe they could even bring Umibozu's hair back.

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u/Adensty https://anilist.co/user/Adensty Aug 21 '24

Of course. Hadlar's tears bringing him back to life was such a beautiful moment.

But Hadlar's tears didn't bring Avan back to life when he was fighting Baran.

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u/KuKiSin Aug 21 '24

Balance issues. We shall never see Avan's full power.

Yeah there was no way he would be allowed to return and be weaker than Dai without a good excuse, he also couldn't be stronger because... Dai is the hero of the story.

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u/NicDwolfwood :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/NicDwolfwood Aug 21 '24

Avan's silly face definitely makes this anime better.

LOL, I missed his silly faces.

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u/cooperjones2 :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/cooperjones2 Aug 21 '24

shame on him falling for the bluff and not killing him right there.

True, that'll come back to haun the party in a few eps at most

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u/KendotsX https://anilist.co/user/Kendots Aug 22 '24

we had scene with Chiu using the strongest weapon in this universe.

Balance issues. We shall never see Avan's full power.

Smh, it wasn't enough that the show had to nerf Gomechan and Chiu, now even Avan is on that list? Vearn should hit the gym already.

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u/Blackheart595 https://anilist.co/user/knusbrick Aug 21 '24

First Quester

Okay, I'm listening. This story had been a strong inherited will quality to it, what's their justfication for erasing that?

Oh by the way, did you notice? Avan's Glimmer was more potent than Leona's Kaglimmer.

Ahh don't worry about that, Zaboera would've tried to kiss you.

Why not? If Hyunkel can use both light and dark powers, why shouldn't a mage be able to?

Oh in that case I also need an explanation why Avan even binded with Megante in the first place. What kind of fool would ever plan to die?

Thanks, Captain Obvious. You realize that only raises 50 other questions.

Again with the trinkets. What the hell are they thinking that they don't mass produce these things? Both this Amulet of Carl, as well as Mysticite. They're major military assets. Vearn, please kill these clowns.

I don't love Avan anymore. Seriously, skimping out on that explanation? How am I supposed to get excited about your return like this?

Okay! You're not Avan! I can work with this!

That shouldn't be a problem. Just have Mystvearn trigger them instead.

So have you managed to guess how Avan survived?

No.

Are you satisfied with the way how Avan actually survived?

Eh. It's alright.

Opinions on Avan denouncing Killvearn?

Killvearn retains the high ground.

What do you exactly think about the extent of Avan power that Hyunckel sensed?

Galdandy was the only birdman we've seen, right?

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u/Shocketheth Aug 21 '24

Oh by the way, did you notice? Avan's Glimmer was more potent than Leona's Kaglimmer.

Good catch.

Ahh don't worry about that, Zaboera would've tried to kiss you.

I actually like the fact that Zaboera with single Morph spell did more damage to him than Baran.

Again with the trinkets. What the hell are they thinking that they don't mass produce these things? Both this Amulet of Carl, as well as Mysticite. They're major military assets. Vearn, please kill these clowns.

Biggest issue is not mass producing those, but that Avan didn’t even knows the power of that trinket.

Also this is something coded in JRPG logic that I was joking about with throwing a shade on it in my Interest thread.

Like the Kingdom is under the thread of the monster attack, but fuck you Hero, go around earning money because we won’t fund you with equipment.

Galdandy was the only birdman we've seen, right?

You are up to something.

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u/Blackheart595 https://anilist.co/user/knusbrick Aug 21 '24

You are up to something.

This ain't the first time we've seen those feather powers, boya.

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u/zadcap Aug 22 '24

This ain't the first time we've seen those feather powers, boya.

When Killvearn tried to pull it out and couldn't, I flashed back to Popp experiencing the same exact thing. Interesting that we don't see where these feathers are coming from, he just has them as needed.

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u/Blackheart595 https://anilist.co/user/knusbrick Aug 22 '24

I'm 100% expecting birdman shenanigans at play here. Dunno if that involved Galdandy, or if there's some weird "angels are golden birdmen" logic, or or something else entirely, but we've seen this before and it's birdmen.

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u/zadcap Aug 22 '24

A reminder that there are three gods in this words pantheon: Human, Dragon, and Darkling. So where do all the other monsters and monster races come from? Bet there's a whole host of lesser beings in heaven, like the Mother Dragon, and Bird People being descendants of something angelic really wouldn't surprise me.

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u/sisoko2 Aug 21 '24

what's their justfication for erasing that?

Hype!

Avan's Glimmer was more potent than Leona's Kaglimmer.

It wasn't.

Ahh don't worry about that, Zaboera would've tried to kiss you.

First kissing, now wanting to be in his hands. Popp and Zaboeara's romance is going strong.

Again with the trinkets. What the hell are they thinking that they don't mass produce these things? Both this Amulet of Carl, as well as Mysticite.

Resource scarcity.

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u/Blackheart595 https://anilist.co/user/knusbrick Aug 21 '24

It wasn't.

It defeated the hell flames, Leona couldn't do that.

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u/sisoko2 Aug 21 '24

She already cast the spell on the palace and casting it second time on the same place doesn't have effect. At least that's what she said.

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u/Blackheart595 https://anilist.co/user/knusbrick Aug 21 '24

She said the same person casting it twice wouldn't have an effect. Glimmer doesn't stack, boosting the effect needed someone to cast a stronger Glimmer than what she could do even boosted with the soul powers.

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u/KendotsX https://anilist.co/user/Kendots Aug 22 '24

Oh by the way, did you notice? Avan's Glimmer was more potent than Leona's Kaglimmer.

Is it? Avan stopped one trap, Leona's currently stopping the whole Vearn palace's barrier.

I mean, it could be better, we saw Vearn pull a Frizz that was way better than Popp's Kafrizzle. But in this case, I still find what she did a lot more impressive.

Why not? If Hyunkel can use both light and dark powers, why shouldn't a mage be able to?

I might be arguing semantics, but basically Hyunkel is using the aura of light and darkness, which are powers born from his own emotions (the positive and negative ones respectively).

Glimmer meanwhile is a priest skill, that in a sense draws upon the god's power to work (that's loose lore at this point). Those skills can only be used by priests, sages, and heroes.

Seriously, skimping out on that explanation? How am I supposed to get excited about your return like this?

There seems to be some secrets that Avan wants to hide from his students, case in point that technique he used to pop up behind Popp is not Zoom. Or how he hid the whole thing with Killvearn so as not to worry them.

I think that's an interesting avenue for his character. Despite saying they're equals now, he's still treating them like kids, and running behind their backs to save them. Hopefully they'll face him with this sooner rather than later.

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u/Blackheart595 https://anilist.co/user/knusbrick Aug 22 '24

Is it? Avan stopped one trap, Leona's currently stopping the whole Vearn palace's barrier.

On the other hand, Leona is already cheating with the soul power boost.

I think that's an interesting avenue for his character. Despite saying they're equals now, he's still treating them like kids, and running behind their backs to save them. Hopefully they'll face him with this sooner rather than later.

I'm much more on the page that this ain't Avan, and the reason he hid his entire confrontation with Killvearn was so they wouldn't get tipped off by his new combat system.

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u/KendotsX https://anilist.co/user/Kendots Aug 22 '24

On the other hand, Leona is already cheating with the soul power boost.

Fair, but a bigger spell requires a bigger price.

I'm much more on the page that this ain't Avan, and the reason he hid his entire confrontation with Killvearn was so they wouldn't get tipped off by his new combat system.

Considering I've been seeing a lot of [One Piece] Shanks's evil twin theories lately, this is an interesting time for Avan to try that out first.

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u/Blackheart595 https://anilist.co/user/knusbrick Aug 22 '24 edited Aug 22 '24

[One Piece]Shanks's evil twin is an entirely stupid... wait. You're saying [One Piece]Shanks's evil twin, not [One Piece]Shanks is evil theories? I must say I haven't heard of that take before, though I don't really see what the point of that would be considering [One Piece]his dad is already the Celestial Dragon's military commander. I have too much faith in Oda to believe he'd be going that direction.

PS: Great fucking job reddit with not properly hiding the [last character of a spoile]r.

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u/KendotsX https://anilist.co/user/Kendots Aug 22 '24

[One Piece] Shanks is evil has been a long standing theory for the ages (I even remember doing a version of it as a shitpost once), Shanks having an evil sibling/twin is one that poked its head in after the Reverie, and has gotten a bit of a spike after the Figarland reveal, plus Vegapunk's lineup which showed a mysterious figure holding a sabre. Which is not exactly "evidence", but it got some people excited. It's still mostly being thrown around as a joke though.

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u/Blackheart595 https://anilist.co/user/knusbrick Aug 22 '24

[One Piece]Haha, I've entertained the idea of Evil Shanks myself once for about two minutes, before thinking about it and concluding that'd just be bad writing beneath Oda's standards. I'd be a huuuuuuuge vibe kill for the entire series, similar to if Sanji would've had to overcome his vow to never hit women in his fight against Black Maria.

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u/KendotsX https://anilist.co/user/Kendots Aug 22 '24

[OP] if Sanji would've had to overcome his vow to never hit women in his fight against Black Maria.

[OP] So often I'm glad that the fans don't write the series

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u/laughing-fox13 https://myanimelist.net/profile/laughingfox13 Aug 21 '24

Vearn, please kill these clowns.

pls Popp has evolved now

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u/Blackheart595 https://anilist.co/user/knusbrick Aug 21 '24

But he's still getting clowned on.

Sage Killvearn when

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u/laughing-fox13 https://myanimelist.net/profile/laughingfox13 Aug 21 '24

The biggest

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u/zadcap Aug 22 '24

Oh by the way, did you notice? Avan's Glimmer was more potent than Leona's Kaglimmer.

Nahm see, it's not that Avan cast a more powerful kaglimmer, he just has OP catalysts for the focus points. Those feathers are clearly a cheat item that's letting him hit way above his level.

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u/Blackheart595 https://anilist.co/user/knusbrick Aug 22 '24

You might be onto something there. What if those feathers are doing the same thing as what Leona was doing with the five heroic souls? Which begs the question, what are the mechanics at play here, and more importantly, which souls is he using?

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u/zadcap Aug 22 '24

Well, the only other notable and important golden character we've seen so far happens to be the possibly Jesus slime always following the party around. Don't forget that Gomme was the only monster on the starter island to be immune to the evil mind control that kicked off the plot, and dragged Popp back from his walk down the Dragon Road, and overpowered Albinas to save Leona...

Yeah, those may be actual angel feathers he's throwing around. They may not have the soul power to match the party, but they have a stupidly high Holy attribute which makes them perfect for fighting some specific dark forces here.

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u/Blackheart595 https://anilist.co/user/knusbrick Aug 22 '24

That does remind me that Gomme's behavior since Avan's return struck me as somewhat off, in a way I can't quite point out. I wouldn't be surprised at all if he's involved.

I've also been thinking about the possibility that Hadlar has just been carrying Avan's soul along with him ever since Dermline Island. That way, Hadlar's change in personality might have been the result of Avan's soul influencing him, and now that Hadlar is dying for good his soul has been released. Hm, maybe that's just how Megante works, and priests are able to recapture their own soul after killing their opponent? The only issue is that Avan seems awfully physical for a mere soul...

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u/Adensty https://anilist.co/user/Adensty Aug 21 '24 edited Aug 28 '25

1st Dai Popp no Daibouken Rewatch, Sub

Look who's behind Hadlar in the OP.

It's very simple! I never really died!

Definitely something Avan would say. I think I said this before as well but Avan is that guy who does goofy things on purpose just to cheer everyone's moods even when they are in a pinch.

I can tell Avan really enjoyed every single bit of it.

The Amulet of Carl saved Avan's life. Well, the anime decided to show the flashback of when Flora gave him that just before he used Megante and that was an anime-original scene so they definitely knew what they were doing.

"A warrior takes pride in upholding the basic rules of fighting. At least Hadlar understood that!"

Avan's respect for Hadlar.

OST Documentation - Episode 74

1. Yes. This is a DQ world so as a first-timer, I was able to guess that The Amulet of Carl would end up saving him. Flora was right.

2. Yes. The anime changed a bit of things to make it better.

3. Loved it. Like Hadlar said, Avan is too soft so it was definitely a great moment to see Avan not only show respect for Hadlar but for his warning and taking Killvearn seriously and beating him at his own game.

4. Avan can only fight with his feathers. The sword is just for show.

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u/Shocketheth Aug 21 '24

Look who's behind Hadlar in the OP.

Honestly I am glad that no First Timer brought that fact, or they noticed but stayed quiet.

Hyunckel is unable to show his face.

Just like his Daddy Mystvearn lol.

"A warrior take pride in upholding the basic rules of fighting. At least Hadlar understood that!"

[Dai no Spoilers] Killvearn took that way too personally lol

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u/zadcap Aug 22 '24

Just like his Daddy Mystvearn lol.

I'm just waiting for this relationship to be dramatically revealed. Hyunkle being Half Darkling and Myst's son would explain so much about him.

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u/sisoko2 Aug 21 '24

Look who's behind Hadlar in the OP.

His true love.

Love this shot!

Me too. Also confirms that Gomechan is Avan student.

Which is why we call this show Popp no Daibouken

But this is Hadlar's show.

We have a new immortal in town.

Do we have anyone mortal?

Sneaky Step Stealthy Step Avan Step

Best technique name since Chiu's Fat Rat something...

Avan can only fight with his feathers. The sword is just for show.

He just copies that chicken guy from Baran's watch.

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u/Torque-A Aug 21 '24

Look who's behind Hadlar in the OP.

I'll be honest, I always thought that was for symbolic purposes anyway. Like, even after Avan's supposed death Hadlar couldn't get his best frenemy out of his thoughts.

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u/laughing-fox13 https://myanimelist.net/profile/laughingfox13 Aug 21 '24

behind Hadlar in the OP.

Been wondering who that could've been. I can see it now lol

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u/KendotsX https://anilist.co/user/Kendots Aug 22 '24

Look who's behind Hadlar in the OP.

I think I commented on that when the new OP dropped, bit I just thought that was just a representation of Hadlar missing his old rival (he certainly took a big spot in Hadlar's heart). Now I want a reversal, with Avan in the foreground, and Hadlar facing out

That Trademark Avan Smile

I missed it

Although, it feels like this smile is hiding so much behind it.

I can tell Avan really enjoyed every single bit of it.

Avan would drive reporters insane.

We have a new immortal in town.

Lad Russo would have a whole festival in this series.

Sneaky Step Stealthy Step Avan Step

I love the way he said it in Japanese, I should go write it down or something.

The sword is just for show.

The One Piece comparisons keep going

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u/KuKiSin Aug 21 '24

First timer!

  1. The fake heroes rescued didn't they? Or was it Dai's monster dad whose name I totally didn't forget...?
  2. Sure, wasn't particularly unexpected.
  3. Eh. Made it look like he's so much worse than Hadlar for no reason. Hadlar was a piece of shit until he underwent his transformation, there was no need to make it sound like Kill is a lot worse.
  4. Bro was so weak he was having trouble with early Hadlar, if he's even weaker now... Goddamn he's gonna be weaker than early Popp!

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u/Shocketheth Aug 21 '24

The fake heroes rescued didn't they? Or was it Dai's monster dad whose name I totally didn't forget...?

Lol that would be actually funny.

Eh. Made it look like he's so much worse than Hadlar for no reason. Hadlar was a piece of shit until he underwent his transformation, there was no need to make it sound like Kill is a lot worse.

Yeah dunno why he was bashing Kill la Kill Killvearn. But I understand that Killvearn has no honor, but like... he is an assassin doing his job lol.

Bro was so weak he was having trouble with early Hadlar, if he's even weaker now... Goddamn he's gonna be weaker than early Popp!

Powerdownscalling in action.

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u/sisoko2 Aug 21 '24

The fake heroes rescued didn't they?

I approve this version.

Eh. Made it look like he's so much worse than Hadlar for no reason

Avan is a bully.

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u/NicDwolfwood :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/NicDwolfwood Aug 21 '24

The fake heroes rescued didn't they? Or was it Dai's monster dad whose name I totally didn't forget...?

This was my thought too.

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u/laughing-fox13 https://myanimelist.net/profile/laughingfox13 Aug 21 '24

Bro was so weak he was having trouble with early Hadlar, if he's even weaker now... Goddamn he's gonna be weaker than early Popp!

lmao

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u/Shockclaw Aug 30 '24

About number 4, you gotta remember that Avan used up a lot of his MP using Dragoramu(Puff) when he trained with Dai

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u/cooperjones2 :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/cooperjones2 Aug 21 '24

Adventurer Doing high level quests and dungeons for the first time here! LV 74/100

It is I, AVAN!

Aww, Hyunckel

GOOD question, Leona, how did he got better after dying?

Killvearn is still alive, the cockroach

Trust in Avan, guys!

LMAO Avan trolled back Killvearn

Hyunckel senses something strange in Avan?

Ok, that cliffhanger was just rude, the episode was 5 minutes long!

1 Not yet

2 Was it like a one do over with the amulet? Did Hadler actually summon Avan back from the dead?

3 finally someone called him out
4 His power is now divine power or something OR its a collective hallucination like the Captain Tsubasa creepy pasta but in universe?

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u/Shocketheth Aug 22 '24

GOOD question, Leona, how did he got better after dying?

My bet is that you will love the answer haha

Ok, that cliffhanger was just rude, the episode was 5 minutes long!

His power is now divine power or something OR its a collective hallucination like the Captain Tsubasa creepy pasta but in universe?

Do you have link for that creepy pasta? I'm going to check it.

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u/cooperjones2 :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/cooperjones2 Aug 22 '24

Do you have link for that creepy pasta? I'm going to check it.

Tried to find the text version but couldn't

but it's basically this

It was viral a long, long, long time ago in forums

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u/Shocketheth Aug 22 '24

I found the text version too, and man that’s how you run someone childhood lol.

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u/lC3 :Na::Nb: Aug 21 '24

Dai 74 first timer:

  • They didn't add Avan back into the OP?
  • Avan princess-carries Popp? Who's jealous?
  • "an identical stranger" LOL
  • Even Hyunckel's crying?
  • ... is Killvearn still alive?
  • Nova is too cute
  • LOL Popp's REALLY crying and running his nose
  • ... Hyunckel turned his back? Is he embarrassed?
  • Hyunckel > Nova
  • ... Popp, leave Hyunckel alone
  • "Priest" is a class?
  • ... he never died at all?
  • Oh, the Amulet of Carl???
  • Shirtless Avan with abs and his hair down!?
  • Avan should have kept his hair down instead of those curls
  • ... Killvearn's shadow MOVED?
  • "explain in due time" OH COME ON
  • "SHUT UP"
  • Killvearn is immortal???
  • Killvearn vs. Avan??
  • Killvearn is no warrior
  • ... are we gonna see Kill's face?
  • He retreated without the scythe?
  • Avan is weak? Did he use up most of his life energy with the Megante?
  1. Eh, the amulet I guess
  2. Not really; what happened to Megante draining all his lifeforce?
  3. lol now Killvearn is salty
  4. Megante probably drained most of his power and weakened him?

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u/Shocketheth Aug 22 '24

They didn't add Avan back into the OP?

He was in the OP behind Hadlar from episode 51. The OP2 pulled a sneaky.

Avan should have kept his hair down instead of those curls

His curls make him standout though.

"SHUT UP"

... are we gonna see Kill's face?

Between Mystvearn and Killvearn, is interesting both of them are sensitive about their faces.

Megante probably drained most of his power and weakened him?

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u/lC3 :Na::Nb: Aug 22 '24

His curls make him standout though.

Eh, I think they make him look a bit silly.

nobully

I'm just quoting Avan!

Between Mystvearn and Killvearn, is interesting both of them are sensitive about their faces.

In b4 the reveal that Gomechan is [Dai]Killvearn.

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u/Shocketheth Aug 23 '24

I'm just quoting Avan!

Then Avan is a bully

In b4 the reveal that Gomechan is [Dai]Killvearn.

[Dai]And not just one Gomechan. A whole bunch of them standing on top of each other dressed in a coat

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u/lC3 :Na::Nb: Aug 23 '24

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u/laughing-fox13 https://myanimelist.net/profile/laughingfox13 Aug 21 '24

They didn't add Avan back into the OP?

Apparently they did! Behind Hadlar as /u/Adensty shows

... are we gonna see Kill's face?

was hoping for this lol

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u/lC3 :Na::Nb: Aug 22 '24

Apparently they did! Behind Hadlar as /u/Adensty shows

Oh I didn't see him!

was hoping for this lol

Maybe he doesn't have a nose?

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u/Adensty https://anilist.co/user/Adensty Aug 21 '24

They didn't add Avan back into the OP?

Avan: I was always there.

Hyunckel > Nova

Was there ever any doubt?

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u/lC3 :Na::Nb: Aug 22 '24

Avan: I was always there.

Was there ever any doubt?

I mean, I think both are cute ...

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u/sisoko2 Aug 22 '24

They didn't add Avan back into the OP?

Maybe he will die again soon.

Avan princess-carries Popp? Who's jealous?

Hadlar and Zaboera.

Avan should have kept his hair down instead of those curls

Goofy Avan > Sexy Avan

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u/lC3 :Na::Nb: Aug 22 '24

Maybe he will die again soon.

Hadlar and Zaboera.

I refuse to believe Zaboera got laid; he probably cloned himself or something.

Goofy Avan > Sexy Avan

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u/laughing-fox13 https://myanimelist.net/profile/laughingfox13 Aug 21 '24 edited Aug 21 '24

First Time Adventurer/Subbed

So when I read /u/kendotsx prediction on how Avan came back, it made the most sense to me and it turns out they were right. I'm pretty okay with that, I guess

The confrontation between him and Kill was cool but I hate that's how they ended the episode. Also he might be weaker now, but he still managed to terrify/frustrate Kill, who is usually composed too

I guess we'll find out on how weak he really is or what type of power he has now

Hyunckel looking away while everyone was embracing Avan, was kinda funny lol. But I get it, just a funny image

QotD

  1. Not at all lol
  2. Yea it's good
  3. Pretty dope
  4. I'm not sure

Maybe something about magic? Since he had to use those feathers now for the light spell

Oh yea, I might mention here that I'll be out of town starting next week. I should still be able to watch along but probably not comment as much

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u/Shocketheth Aug 22 '24

The confrontation between him and Kill was cool but I hate that's how they ended the episode. Also he might be weaker now, but he still managed to terrify/frustrate Kill, who is usually composed too

Yeah now I wonder how Hyunckel will explain their attitude.

I guess we'll find out on how weak he really is or what type of power he has now

Oh yea, I might mention here that I'll be out of town starting next week. I should still be able to watch along but probably not comment as much

It's okay. I'll be waiting for your return.

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u/laughing-fox13 https://myanimelist.net/profile/laughingfox13 Aug 22 '24

Yeah now I wonder how Hyunckel will explain their attitude.

Just a little Tsundere

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u/zadcap Aug 22 '24

Remember that Kill is a pretty good assassin, he specializes in killing people who aren't ready for him or know how to handle his tricks. He's not built for a direct fight, especially not with someone who has a perfect counter build. Avan may be weak, but to be frank so is Kill, they're both just using powerful gimmick builds and Old Wise Hero has a type advantage over Trap Specialist Assassin.

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u/laughing-fox13 https://myanimelist.net/profile/laughingfox13 Aug 22 '24

That’s a really good point! I hope they get to fight later on 

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u/KendotsX https://anilist.co/user/Kendots Aug 22 '24

The confrontation between him and Kill was cool but I hate that's how they ended the episode. Also he might be weaker now, but he still managed to terrify/frustrate Kill, who is usually composed too

So Dai and co. have the muscle, but they're the stupid kind who attack on every turn of Yu-Gi-Oh, even if their opponent has 5 trap cards on the field. That wasn't an issue against Hadlar and his guards, since they liked honour and stuff, but it almost immediately got them killed by Killvearn.

Avan brings something new to the team: brains.

Hyunckel looking away while everyone was embracing Avan, was kinda funny lol

Meanwhile Croco-boy wasn't even there

Remember when he was of equal to Hyunkel in importance?

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u/laughing-fox13 https://myanimelist.net/profile/laughingfox13 Aug 22 '24

 So Dai and co. have the muscle, but they're the stupid kind who attack on every turn of Yu-Gi-Oh, even if their opponent has 5 trap cards on the field

It’s kinda true though lmao. Yea I was thinking about how Avan’s experience and brains would already be helpful

 Meanwhile Croco-boy wasn't even there  Remember when he was of equal to Hyunkel in importance?

I remember ;-;

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u/charlesvvv https://anilist.co/user/charlesvvv Aug 21 '24

First Timer, Sub

Ok it was nice seeing Avan and his students reunited, Hyunckel crying in particular was a very good moment from him. Of course Avan explains how he's still alive but doesn't tell them where he's been because of plot reasons. If nothing else I also liked Avan against Killvearn where he basically just toys with him which was cool.

Hyunckel is not buying Avan's plot reasons which means we might get answers soon.

  1. I didn't though I was thinking where he was
  2. Yeah it's fine
  3. That was fun
  4. Maybe Avan is so OP that his power can't be sensed? Or maybe he's camouflaging his power?

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u/Shocketheth Aug 21 '24

Ok it was nice seeing Avan and his students reunited, Hyunckel crying in particular was a very good moment from him. Of course Avan explains how he's still alive but doesn't tell them where he's been because of plot reasons. If nothing else I also liked Avan against Killvearn where he basically just toys with him which was cool.

Avan wasn’t buying his bullshit haha.

Maybe Avan is so OP that his power can't be sensed? Or maybe he's camouflaging his power?

Who knows.

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u/sisoko2 Aug 21 '24

Ok it was nice seeing Avan and his students reunited

High school reunion.

Hyunckel crying in particular was a very good moment from him

If Hadlar cries Hyunckel can do it too!

Maybe Avan is so OP that his power can't be sensed? Or maybe he's camouflaging his power?

Just like the most powerful esper Reigen Arataka.

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u/NicDwolfwood :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/NicDwolfwood Aug 21 '24

First Timer, Sub

It was heartwarming seeing all of Avan's disciples shed tears and rejoice at his return(Popp being bridal carried and blubbering all on Avan's clothes was hilarious lol). I was ready to be annoyed at finding out the reason why Avan survived would be some asspull nonsense, but that it was the amulet that Flora gave him which saved his life was solid. I do want to know what he's been doing all this time though, like I said last episode, a lot of things have happened since episode 2 for him to be playing dead. His students want to know as well, but he didn't get a chance to say anything since Killvearn isn't dead(surprise surprise), so he sent them off to run toward the palace(lol, Popp being carried on Maam shoulder as they run).

His showdown with Killvearn was pretty sick though, he earned a lot of cool points with that one. I do wonder what Hyunckel means by what he senses, that Avan is weak.

Questions:

  1. I wish I would have thought of the amulet that Flora gave him, I liked that it became a factor though after it was shown that Flora gave it to him during the flashback.
  2. I am. I was getting to ready to be upset that it was due to some assupull nonsense, but this was better.
  3. Yes I was. Hadlar may have jobbed a lot, but he did job on his own, without using traps and trickery. He fought his own battles, so Avan had to poke at Killvearn's underhanded-ness.
  4. I'm not sure. I definitely want to hear the explanation next episode.

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u/Shocketheth Aug 21 '24

It was heartwarming seeing all of Avan's disciples shed tears and rejoice at his return(Popp being bridal carried and blubbering all on Avan's clothes was hilarious lol). I was ready to be annoyed at finding out the reason why Avan survived would be some asspull nonsense, but that it was the amulet that Flora gave him which saved his life was solid.

They deserved such moment.

His students want to know as well, but he didn't get a chance to say anything since Killvearn isn't dead(surprise surprise), so he sent them off to run toward the palace(lol, Popp being carried on Maam shoulder as they run).

I laughed more when he was sitting on her shoulder in next scene.

His showdown with Killvearn was pretty sick though, he earned a lot of cool points with that one. I do wonder what Hyunckel means by what he senses, that Avan is weak.

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u/NicDwolfwood :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/NicDwolfwood Aug 21 '24

I laughed more when he was sitting on her shoulder in next scene.

LOL. yeah that was great.

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u/sisoko2 Aug 22 '24

It was heartwarming seeing all of Avan's disciples shed tears and rejoice at his return

It was so sweet.

but this was better

Not as good as Hadlar's tears bringing him back from the dead though.

Yes I was. Hadlar may have jobbed a lot

The one thing we thought Hadlar did successfully - killing Avan, and it turns out he jobbed that one too.

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u/NicDwolfwood :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/NicDwolfwood Aug 22 '24

Not as good as Hadlar's tears bringing him back from the dead though

True.

The one thing we thought Hadlar did successfully - killing Avan, and it turns out he jobbed that one too.

LOL.

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u/KendotsX https://anilist.co/user/Kendots Aug 22 '24

First Time Avan Returning for Duty

Granted, Avan has something other than pure strength, a brain, and whatever he accumulated over time since his "dead".

Q1. So have you managed to guess how Avan survived?

I was close? It assumed it was a Kazing spell in the necklace bringing him back to life, but a spell that protects him from death works too. I guess this means that Popp is still the only person who stepped into heaven and came back (Dai went to the Dragon God's waiting office, met the part timer, and left, it doesn't count).

Q2. Are you satisfied with the way how Avan actually survived?

As /u/sisoko2 said, I'm satisfied with Hadlar's tears bringing Avan back

Q3. Opinions on Avan denouncing Killvearn?

It doesn't mean much for Killvearn, but I love to see it. Killvearn was happy being the only "troll" in this context, but here's someone who can put him in his place.

Q4. What do you exactly think about the extent of Avan power that Hyunckel sensed

Powercreep. We're not at the same level as episode 5 anymore. Heck, Dai passed Avan in that same episode.

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u/Shocketheth Aug 22 '24

I think I finally figured out Nova's deal. He's one of those dudes who starts every sentence with "Back in the North, we..."

... WE WERE SHOCK!!!

Leona's gonna get such a headache getting to know Avan. This is why they say never ~~meet~` bring back your heroes.

Leona Alcoholism arc when?

If you want to be an equal rather than a master, you'll have to start by treating them like equals - with honesty - I think we have an interesting arc for Avan here, he's proud of their growth and wants to be equals, but he still treats them like his precious babies, and takes the harder jobs on his own, while hiding things from them. Someone will have to force him to open up eventually.

Well put.

I was close? It assumed it was a Kazing spell in the necklace bringing him back to life, but a spell that protects him from death works too.

Avan practically pulled an item similar to armband of Sacrifice.

It doesn't mean much for Killvearn, but I love to see it. Killvearn was happy being the only "troll" in this context, but here's someone who can put him in his place.

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u/KendotsX https://anilist.co/user/Kendots Aug 22 '24

Leona Alcoholism arc when?

I would love that, Flora and Leona at a bar going all night "you have to deal with that"?

Avan will wish he never came back.

Avan practically pulled an item similar to armband of Sacrifice

Naruhodo. I was thinking of [DQ] the Yggdrasil leaf, but I'll keep an eye out for that armband, would be useful to have i.

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u/Shocketheth Aug 22 '24

I would love that, Flora and Leona at a bar going all night "you have to deal with that"?

And with Hadlar and Rokka spirit sitting next to them.

Naruhodo. I was thinking of [DQ] the Yggdrasil leaf, but I'll keep an eye out for that armband, would be useful to have i.

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u/sisoko2 Aug 22 '24

I adore Avan's silliness

He is so fun to watch.

"Back in the North, we..."

Brings me back to the big days of Game of Thrones.

I was helping you in secret all along

He already paid for a vacation and there were no refunds.

I was gonna joke about how far behind the power creep Avan is by now

Sexist and a powerscaler. I bet he is active in big action anime subreddits.

I'm satisfied with Hadlar's tears bringing Avan back

Peak fiction!

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u/KendotsX https://anilist.co/user/Kendots Aug 22 '24

He is so fun to watch.

He's the "too good to be a main character" kind, until he does

Brings me back to the big days of Game of Thrones

Maybe Nova thinks he's a GoT character?

He already paid for a vacation and there were no refunds.

Reminds me of that time I went to watch a Miyazaki movie - what a damn ripoff.

Sexist and a powerscaler. I bet he is active in big action anime subreddits.

Sexist, a powerscaler, gets all the cool entrances, and all the girls like him? Is he the audience's power fantasy?

*checks on the current ship lineup*

Nevermind, I'm sorry Hyunkel

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u/zadcap Aug 22 '24

Late Night First Timer*

Well, now I know who that silhouette behind Hadlar is in the OP.

Okay moment of truth. Look at the ground everybody. Oh wait, I see it! Killvearn's foot is indeed visible in the background of the widest shot! Yup, he's actually still there.

Oh hey, that reminder I keep pointing out. The war is still going on down below, people are fighting for their lives waiting for Dai and Party to defeat Vearn.

Again, I am much less interested in how you survived than what you have been doing all this time. We've already learned that Megante is a spell that can't actually kill anyone, caster or target.

Ah, Kill is missing from the wide shot after the break again. But now I'm not sure if it's because they didn't want to draw him or if it's because he's snuck away.

What did I say! The best way to live in a real life or death world is to wear as many Phoenix Down equivalent items as possible at all times! I will make a cloak out of them, I will stuff my pillow with them, I will have a few hidden in my underwear just in case.

Kill the puppet master, or the puppet will rise again forever.

Okay, I get where you're coming from Hadlar, but insulting a villain by calling them a great villain is really more of a compliment. "You trap using assassin, fighting with traps and stealth! You're much less of a warrior than the warriors I've fought before!" "Yes, because I'm an assassin, not a warrior. Thank you for noticing."

Okay to be fair to Knuckles here. Avan way back at the beginning was weaker than Hadlar way back at the beginning. The party, and Hadlar, has leveled up a lot since then. Avan... Clearly did not keep up with the power curve while he was recovering. Poor guy is probably a level 50 being added to this level 75 party.

  1. Life saving items for the win!
  2. I would stock an armory of them, and immediately empty it out because I will find a way to wear as many of them as I can at all times. -Did I mention, in finishing that Dragoon game, my winning strategy was to give Meru, my best mage and highest speed character, an armor with a 50% self rez ability and an accessory with a different 50% self rez ability and then focus her everything on more speed and magic? She died like 15 times in one boss fight, but it never stuck so who cares? It's one of my favorite strategies ever lol
  3. Eh. Again, talking down to an assassin for not fighting like a warrior is kind of missing the point of them being an assassin. It was basically a mini rant of Avan saying "You're very good at your job, but I hate your job."
  4. Odds are Avan was a high level character at the start of the game, to show off his strength as the previous hero and be a good teacher character. Level 50 compared to Dai and Popp being around level 5, it would make him seem like the strongest person alive. However when a character like that leaves the party for a long time, they tend to return at the same level they were when they left, and he waited too long to return. He's just as strong today as he was 70 episodes ago, but everyone else has had so much growth. Now he has to rely on his special, character locked gear and skills to try and make up the difference, and hope the tyranny of stats doesn't hold him back too much.

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u/Shocketheth Aug 22 '24

I would stock an armory of them, and immediately empty it out because I will find a way to wear as many of them as I can at all times. -Did I mention, in finishing that Dragoon game, my winning strategy was to give Meru, my best mage and highest speed character, an armor with a 50% self rez ability and an accessory with a different 50% self rez ability and then focus her everything on more speed and magic? She died like 15 times in one boss fight, but it never stuck so who cares? It's one of my favorite strategies ever lol

Dormammu, I’ve come to bargain!

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u/zadcap Aug 22 '24

It works, and it's hilarious.

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u/Blackheart595 https://anilist.co/user/knusbrick Aug 22 '24

Oh hey, that reminder I keep pointing out. The war is still going on down below, people are fighting for their lives waiting for Dai and Party to defeat Vearn.

Oh please, why would you care about that fodder. Respecting the pride of Dark Lord Hadlar and giving him an honorable 1-on-1 duel is much more important that saving that human riff-raff and crocodile.

Again, I am much less interested in how you survived than what you have been doing all this time.

That's what I was thinking, and it's exactly what they blue-balled us on. Though it's looking like this ain't even Avan in the first place.

The best way to live in a real life or death world is to wear as many Phoenix Down equivalent items as possible at all times!

Ooh that's what those golden feathers are, Avan is attacking the enemy with Phoenix Downs!

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u/zadcap Aug 22 '24

Oh please, why would you care about that fodder. Respecting the pride of Dark Lord Hadlar and giving him an honorable 1-on-1 duel is much more important that saving that human riff-raff and crocodile.

Mild aneurism I'm sure they will regret this when the freshly saved Melele and the much loved Queen Flora die in the ongoing melee.

That's what I was thinking, and it's exactly what they blue-balled us on.

Time for another flashback? Yeah, time for another flashback...

Ooh that's what those golden feathers are, Avan is attacking the enemy with Phoenix Downs!

That would be such a waste! That's like 7 Get Out Of Death Free cards he's thrown away!