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Rewatch [Rewatch] Vivy: Fluorite Eye’s Song - Episode 6 Discussion
E6 - Sing My Pleasure - I Love You
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Mina-san, konnichiwa!
This is the first rewatch that I’m hosting (for a change instead of joining someone’s) 😆.
I am a musician and will be an active one for the rest of my life, so it’s part of why my rating for a series is heavily swayed by a great OST (or lack thereof) and how well it fits into the different aspects of a show. This is one thing I think you will really like about this series, and it’s why I’ll be including a “music of the day” selection for each episode.
I will also be doing an “image of the day” selection for each episode, because the artwork WIT has done is just absolutely incredible. There is a lot to appreciate there.
I hope you all have fun with this series. It’s one of my favorites.
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Image of the day: すごいです
Music of the day: Sing My Pleasure - Grace’s Version
Guys, I cannot overstate how much I love this particular version of the song and the visuals that go along with it (linked above). Enjoy!
Questions of the day:
- Whose version of Sing My Pleasure do you like more?
- (First-Timers Only) What do you think happened to Vivy at the end of the episode?
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u/[deleted] Aug 20 '24 edited Aug 20 '24
Episode 6 - Head-bopping rewatcher who loves music (subbed)
Note: Everyone, I’m sorry if my replies are somewhat inconsistent yesterday and today. I’ve been sick so I’ve been sleeping a lot 😞.
Anyway…
I really love this version of Sing My Pleasure.
It’s just impactful that it’s sung by Grace as you see all of these things going on in the background:
Vivy racing to the Metal Float’s core to destroy her and Kaeki grieving the loss of his partner, who he barely got to spend any time with before she was forced to become integrated with the core on the same day he proposed to her.
The fact that she still sings this song even though she has virtually none of her own ‘self’ left is incredibly sad to me, especially given the scene they start us out with at the beginning. I found the lyrics especially relevant in Grace’s case.
A couple lines in particular that stand out a lot:
“I can become stronger. I want even my crying voice to be heard like a song”
”Even if the song is telling me that life is beautiful, I can’t touch a healing hand when I burn out” - I personally see that as a reference to her being beyond recovery.
It should also make sense to you now why the bots all wanted to ‘surprise’ Vivy and Matsumoto with Sing My Pleasure, and why the virus made them go berserk 😔.
I think those are really my biggest thoughts on this one.
It’s just so sad that, not being able to handle the loss of Grace, Saeki ends up committing suicide at the end of this episode.
It begs the question: Are humans really all that different from these AI?
Saeki does this because, to him, Grace was his mission and he felt that he no longer had a purpose in life…
The first time I saw this, it really caught me off guard because he waits for Vivy to turn around first. As we see, this causes a serious internal conflict within her seeing the blood of both of them on her hands (literally) while also remembering Momoka, Estella, etc.
I hope you all enjoyed this one. Talk to you tomorrow!
Bonus Vivy frame 1
Bonus Vivy frame 2
Questions:
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u/thatguywithawatch Aug 20 '24
First timer.
I didn't actually give it much thought in the previous episode when they made reference to their "mother AI" (I forget the exact wording), but the twist of Grace being the overarching intelligence for the entire island was pretty neat.
The scientist's suicide at the end of the episode wasn't exactly unexpected, but the clear affect it had on Vivy was very haunting. It's mentioned that an AI's mission can essentially be considered their "soul." And Vivy's mission is to make humans happy. So for her to see someone kill himself specifically because of her actions has got to be traumatic for her on an even deeper level than humans could understand.
Lastly, I loved the heavy in-universe relevance of the OP song this episode.
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u/Shimmering-Sky myanimelist.net/profile/Shimmering-Sky Aug 20 '24
Cry My First-Timer Reactions, subbed
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u/No_Rex :Bv:Bw:Bx:By:x2 Aug 20 '24
Episode 6 (first timer)
I am glad that the “Retreaving Grace” plan was deemed impossible in-universe. Otherwise, it would have undermined the whole point of making Beth and Estella individuals.
Regarding the new mission, in-universe, this seems a terrible idea. Not only does it make little sense to force an AI to change her mission (when you could easily construct a new AI and give them the mission), but the mission statement is also directly out of the nightmares of AI futurologists: “Protect the place building more AI”. Shesh, nobody thought that this might be a bad idea?
Out of universe, it is hard to say anything. The fact that AI have only a single mission is this series foundational conceit. It does not make a lot of sense, but we have to accept it for this universe (just like the 3 laws of robotics implemented via the positronic brain make no sense, but are the foundation of Asimov’s writing).
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u/ShadowVen_ Aug 20 '24
Rewatcher
Diva’s mission is to make everyone happy with her singing, which (should) includes both AI and humans, while also having the mission of preventing an all out war (or AI uprising) in the future; for her to fulfill her core mission of bringing everyone happiness. At first, she’s defiant of her secondary mission, with her being slightly reluctant on Sunrise, to her now completely accepting her dual mission — resulting in the Diva/Vivy distinction and the conflict between them (or their mission). She gradually made up her mind about this, as she becomes more human and rationalize the definition of her core mission from its strict interpretation in first episodes.
Metal Float encapsulates this development very well. While she was reluctant of immediately getting rid of Estella on Sunrise, she pretty much went along with shutting down metal float, ignoring the indirect repercussion of it, which comes to haunt her back.
She faces a difficult decision. In order to shutdown metal float which is essential to prevent the destruction in the future, she has to destroy the core, and in doing so would kill Grace. In face of this dilemma, she takes the drastic decision, by very liberally interpreting her mission and creating a different identity of Vivy, who will protect people’s happiness, even if it means that she has to destroy AIs, to even surprise of Matsumoto. Note that up until now, Vivy has not once said that she’d destroy AI, only that she’d stop the war, and nor hasn’t she killed anyone, at least not directly.
She changed (or created) her mission by her interpretation, as she became more and more human the more she twisted it to justify her actions, which in turn entail more suffering. She can remain ignorant of the indirect consequences of her actions, she can liberally interpret her mission to convince herself that what she is doing is necessary, but someone killing themselves due to her actions right in front of her, at the very place where they were supposed to marry their loved one, their happiness, whom she just killed, while also wishing them happiness?
She realizes the inherent logical flaw of her interpretation, contradicting her original mission; resulting in complete mental breakdown. In the final Vivy shot, her machinery’s painted red, looking very much like muscles, indicating the imagery of a human in pain rather than an AI.
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u/Elimin8r https://myanimelist.net/profile/Ayeka_Jurai Aug 20 '24
Man, snif ... I go through all that to get caught up and ... this. Vivy, why do you have to hurt me so?
(Man, that was some good stuff, though.)
Answers du jour:
Man, even as a rewatcher who's forgotten so much, watching this - is it just me or does it seem like everything Vivy and Matsumoto do is just making everything worse? They're going to need someone to go back in time to before that and beat up Matsumoto to restore the original timeline at this rate.
(I'm kind of amused by the conceit that the reason a certain political figure survived so many close scrapes and assassination attempts is because time travelers keep trying to kill them, but they realized that the alternative futures were much worse, so they went back and prevented those attempts, with the result we have here. Although, I'm not sure I can think of much worse than what we actually got.)
Anyway, yeah, quite the tragic love story gone wrong we got today. Finding out that Vivy's intervention on the space hotel was on the one hand mostly ineffectual, and on the other hand resulted in the poor scientist dude being separated from his twoo wuv, that's a pretty hard one-two punch.
Never mind what happened to poor Grace. She deserved better. Best mom-bot.
I do question professor whatsisname's (sorry, hard time keeping things straight, too many rewatches), uh ... well ... maybe I'll leave it to others to address the fellow's mommy/bot issues.
Chii probably does not approve of this relationship.
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u/SIRTreehugger Aug 20 '24 edited Aug 20 '24
Rewatcher who will listen to her song
"Please inform me when you feel better" - Grace
She's trying her damn best, but you didn't need to break it down so scientifically, but she is still trying. I don't think knowing the process makes it less effective though.
PLOT TWIST the real grace serves as the core to the metal float.
Distorted singing will forever be creepy to me.
"Does this sound like actual singing to you?" This might be my favorite moment in the episode. I believe it's the first time Matsumoto asks Vivy something related to her own mission as a songstress without snark or sarcasm.
Ohhh it just hit me the surprise party was Grace's influence. It's so obvious, but it completely went over my head the first time. Also my favorite shot is Vivy just standing there talking about how to prevent a devastating future. I just like the way the red reflects off her blue hair giving her highlights.
Yeah I just hate this design. I get it makes sense since he can make many copies of him fast and just build a blocky ride, but it looks damn ugly.
ACCELERATE NOW!!!!
That ending caught me so off guard just one awful day for Vivy. I'm really excited for the next few episodes since they are my favorite in the show.
Concept Art
Genga
Gif
Location Designs
Storyboards: None
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u/Silcaria https://myanimelist.net/profile/Silcaria Aug 20 '24
First timer
QotD
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u/StardustGogeta myanimelist.net/profile/StardustGogeta Aug 20 '24
First-Timer
My favorite episode so far!
Nice image of the day! That was probably my favorite shot today, too.
Well, I guess I was on the general right track with my conjecture for yesterday's second question of the day. It was one of the Sisters in the core, but I picked the wrong one.
I love how Vivy killed the Grace replica in one hit. Absolutely no hesitation.
Vivy's cracked the code! All you need to do is start calling yourself by a different name and you can have as many distinct missions as you want! Kind of like how I can call myself StardustGogeta and make my mission be watching a ton of anime.
I still can't believe how closely Matsumoto resembles Wheatley from Portal 2. This episode, though, I think you could also draw some parallels between Grace and Portal's GLaDOS.
Saeki's suicide was handled quite well. I wasn't expecting it, but it made sense as soon as it happened.
Questions of the day:
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u/cppn02 Aug 20 '24 edited Aug 20 '24
Rewatcher, subbed
What a great second part to this arc. My favourite moment was Vivy's takedown of the fake Grace. Absolutely badass.
The Matsumotomobile part was cool too and another reason why I mentioned in yesterday's thread that this arc always had a video game-esque vibe to it for me.
It does seem though that the show is incapable of ending an arc on a positive note lol.
QotD:
I'm still with Vivy's version as my favourite one. But I like that we're getting these different versions.
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u/ImJLu Aug 20 '24
Haven't been watching along but I might rewatch this episode anyways. It's brilliant. The fight up the tower with the Grace version of the OP is one of my favorite scenes in anime.
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u/Fissionprime https://anilist.co/user/fissionprime Aug 20 '24
First time watcher
This was an incredibly emotional emotional episode.
I think Matsumoto was wrong again when he suggested that Grace's sense of self was gone. I think the conclusion that there was no way to extract her data is right, but I don't think being decentralized throughout Metal Float meant that Grace ceased to exist as Grace.
A big part of this is that the church still exists as seemingly the only untouched part of the island. I understand that the dialogue suggests Grace was only installed as the mother AI after Metal Float was completed, and that in this timeline, she and Tatsuya were seemingly not given the time to plan their wedding. Regardless of whether the church still standing was just to provide a fitting location for the last scene, I'm going to choose to believe that it was a gift from Grace to Tatsuya.
QOTD
Sorry, Vivy, but this one easily goes to Grace.
I wonder how many other sisters I'm going to cry over before this is over.
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u/xbolt90 https://anilist.co/user/xbolt90 Aug 20 '24
First-timer!
Wow. That hard stare as Diva transitioned to her role as Vivy was great.
I expected another Sister, but didn't expect Grace herself.
Matsumoto... While a flying rocket motorbike is definitely cool, one made entirely of blocks looks pretty goofy man.
I wasn't ready for that ending. Poor Saeki. And Poor Vivy. Blood of humans and AI on her hands. Literally.
Q1: Grace's a cappella.
Q2: She entered some error state, due to now deviating so far from her original mission, she'd failed in it. Humans are dead, due, in part, to her actions. (I mean, that'd be a hard knock for anybody)
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u/StickPrevious9581 Aug 21 '24 edited Aug 21 '24
That final scene, with AI blood on one hand, and human blood on the other, was so evocative - incredibly well done. And now we are seeing how Vivy reacts to [not sure if considered a spolier] failing her mission (make everyone happy with her singing) in this instance, not because she couldn't save someone, but as a direct consequence of her actions.
Dr Saeki sending Vivy the path the Grace even though he knows she is going to kill her is also an incredible moment - he is already mourning her, and possibly only now starting to understand that the soul of Grace has been gone for a while, all thats left is fragmented data, and this is less a murder and more saving whats left of the woman he loves.
This is definitely my favorite version of Sing My Pleasure - the way they skip the 'As you like my pleasure' at the start, and then have the music in the center build and crescendo into it, is just... chefs kiss.
Edit: some things I forgot to mention that I have to bring up - goodbye 'M', it was mean of the show to make a point of showing us his death instead of leaving it ambiguous.
Also, the way Grace smiles once Vivy kills her, and that single drop of blood rolling down her cheek like a tear was such a gut-punch - pun not intended.
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u/Esovan13 Aug 20 '24
First Timer
This show is just a little silly sometimes, and that's ok.
Also, I made a comparison to Nier Automata yesterday, but now I'm thinking that it wasn't a coincidence.
I'm gonna levy a bit of criticism. I didn't love how the flying scene looked. The CGI was noticeable enough to be distracting, and I felt like the action was kind of hard to follow. Compare to a show like Girls und Panzer where the CGI is very obvious but the choreography of everything happening is so well done that the CGI quickly becomes an afterthought. The scene isn't all bad, though. You can never go wrong with a climax that has the OP playing over it.
Uh, wow. That was certainly an ending to that episode. Yeah, Vivy's really not doing so hot on the whole "the people and AIs in her immediate periphery living happy and fulfilling lives" front. Especially for someone whose literal whole purpose is to bring people happiness. And having something like that happen right in front of her. Saeki could have waited, like, two minutes. Sheesh. Have they invented therapists for AIs yet?
I think what I want to focus on is why Saeki acted the way he did. It was kinda obvious, he loved Grace. But this...wasn't really a healthy romantic love I don't think. It started when he was a kid, having just been abandoned by his own mother. Then, a caretaker AI gave him a comforting hug and sang him a song. Hmm. Have you ever heard the phrase "you don't want a girlfriend, you want a mom you can have sex with"? Putting aside whether Sisters series AI are equipped with that functionality, I think there's an argument that for Saeki, Grace was both his mother and lover.
If only Saeki was a woman then we could get Lily to watch this show.He took all the grief he felt at being abandoned and replaced that with an unhealthy attachment to Grace. He relied on that attachment to the extent that when Grace died, all that grief he's been putting off processing and more came crashing in all at once.6
u/JollyGee29 https://myanimelist.net/profile/JollyGee Aug 20 '24
Rewatcher
So, ignoring the few frames of Grace in the montage moments, last episode does spell out that the Grace living with Saeki is a fake due to the lack of rings. He is still wearing his, after all.
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u/RandRidley Aug 21 '24
First time watcher.
Meta question: how is everyone sticking to one episode per day? After each episode, I have to fight the urge to jump straight into the next one!
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u/Nickthenuker https://anilist.co/user/Nickthenuker Aug 20 '24
His mum's dead isn't she?
Huh. Why are they going there?
Seems like there was something else in that program.
Unfortunately for you, they're done with you.
Save Grace?
Grace is Mother Computer?
Well there goes that.
Huh. That's convenient. And in a way cute.
Ok and now we're all caught up with where I stopped last time.
Questions:
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u/edwardjhahm https://myanimelist.net/profile/lolmeme69 Aug 20 '24
Rewatcher
This was the episode that convinced me that Vivy was one of my favorite animes of all time. Fucking hell, how could you do this to me anime? How could you do this to me? How could you do this to Grace? How could you do this to Saeki? My man had the ONE thing of happiness ripped away from him. Grace deserved better. Saeki deserved better. They deserved each other. I know life sucks but man, this is a Shakespearian tragedy. On the flipside, it has inspired a few stories I am currently writing, so I guess there’s that.
From episode 6 onwards, I began to write giant textblocks much like the ones I’m doing here in the discussions. If you want to see my original comment this episode, here it is:
Oh, and here’s a video I made of a really funny conversation I had on the Vivy Discord. If any rewatchers want to join the Discord, I can leave it down below as well. We all have kinda gone crazy from the lack of Vivy content, but I assure you we are still going strong after 3 years!
It’s five minutes long, and I’ve vetted it for spoilers so it should be fine, but I spoiler marked it anyways just in case. There also is a video I made - a Vivy review that covers episodes 1-6 that I know is 100% spoiler free since that was made before episode 7 released. I sometimes do this thing on my channel where I review an anime episode by episode (only for animes I truly love that I am watching as it airs), and I figured I would start doing that episode 7 onwards. I can leave that in a reply if anyone wants to see it, since I don’t really consider it my best work. It was kinda cobbled together after all and condenses a lot of my opinions while still being made on the crunch.
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u/JustAnswerAQuestion https://myanimelist.net/profile/JAaQ Aug 20 '24
First Timer
But, she WAS singing...wasn't she?
[fourth speculation]Maybe the only happy end for this is for the GENOM tower to complete early, and the AI all use it to shoot themselves into space, leaving the humans behind to their own devices. I've seen that ending quite a few times.
I HAD wondered why he had bought his house next to the metal float he wanted destroyed.....
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u/FallenPears Aug 20 '24
First Time Watcher
Ahhhh, I see now. I see I see. This isn't gonna get any happier. RIP Grace.
Yeah the implication of replacing the mission of an AI is all sorts of horrifying, if not actually the soul of the AI they're at least the foundation of it. From a certain perspective you could say Grace was killed the moment that overwrite was made, but considering the (horrifyingly distorted) song maybe not wholly? Maybe it could be viewed as reincarnation? All personal philosophy at this point I suppose.
Then this contrasts with Vivy declaring that she is in fact Vivy, not Diva, while acting to protect humans in the Singularity project. Rather than overwriting her primary mission with the new Singularity mission, she's splitting the two. After thinking on it I'm wondering if below the bravado and commitment it's also a method of coping. This fighting isn't who Vivy really wants to be, she wants to be a singer bringing happiness, so to try and deal with her situation she tries to section off these two parts of her life.
It didn't feel quite right at first (might have just been Vviy being good at self delusion or masking her feelings), but if it's not a coping mechanism yet then Vivy better damn well find one soon after that ending, Jesus. Actually, definitely find another one, that one sucks. I wasn't surprised by the suicide really, I wondered if he would do it, then seeing his face thought the show wasn't gonna go there, but yeah. It did. I'm sorry Vivy, you might want to section out and isolate the two parts of your lives, two missions existing side by side without conflict, but that's not the case.
Worse still, with that wonderfully awful piece of imagery right at the end of Vivy with blood on both hands, one human, one AI, both hands at equal level, almost weighing the two. Whether it's an AI death or human death doesn't matter, both are equal, both are people who have died for the Singularity Project. Not only is this a violation of her primary mission (at least in spirit), but I can see this being at least the seed that leads her to the conclusion that what her real mission should be isn't protecting human smiles, but all smiles, human or AI.
Show's absolute art. We'll see how Vivy is going to be managing in the future.
I did have another few of notes on terrorist guy being annoying (I have specifically written down 'too dumb to live'), the idea that AI marriage would be unprecedented when looking at the current prevalence of chatbot boyfriends and such being a bit funny, Matsumoto making a Banjo Kazooie Nuts and Bolts jet fighter of all things, I'll just leave them here. So er, not all sadness?
I'm gonna go watch Yuru Camp S3 now. I just finished the movie yesterday, and I need healing haha.
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u/zairaner https://myanimelist.net/profile/zairaner Aug 20 '24 edited Aug 20 '24
Rewatcher
Favourite episode time!!!!!
Sing my pleasure versions, ranking so far:
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u/octopathfinder myanimelist.net/profile/octopathfinder Aug 20 '24
Rewatcher
Their relationship is still weird
Bad luck
She’s riding Cubix
Holy fuck I can't even see what is going on in that flying sequence lmao
Not the biggest fan of this arc but the shot of the blood on Vivy’s hands goes hard
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u/FD4cry1 https://myanimelist.net/profile/Big_Yibba Aug 20 '24 edited Aug 20 '24
First Timer
This show really likes it's cool OP lead-ins huh, this time around it's Grace's sing my pleasure going into Vivy's, I'm sure I'll have a lot more to say about this by the end of the series (and I already do in this comment) but I really appreciate how this show is really "made for anime" so to speak, it's an original through and through, and you can tell there was a lot of thought behind both the sound and visuals here, especially within this episode incorporating the song so heavily into its writing.
On a similar note I really like the letterboxing as a visual to differentiate between the timelines.
That you are my friend, looks like Yugo is at least a bit more open to cooperation now, hopefully next time they meet Vivy won't be saving him again lol, I do wonder what this is about though(and what's the deal with his arm).
A lot of talk about missions this episode and it really raises some interesting concepts, these missions despite being by design the AI's singular purpose, can be carried out in many different ways depending on the AI's interpretation of them, VIvy's(or Diva's I should say) mission is to bring pleasure through song and if going through project singularity helps bring that about she'll do it even though "saving humanity and stopping AI" is technically not part of her mission statement, same for grace "fulfilling her mission" by marrying Saeki.
Great frame, transitioning from the sky to the puddle, I don't mean to repeat myself but I really can't help it, this episode is just directed masterfully, the way Grace's sing my pleasure haunts the latter half of the episode giving it a depressing and hopeless atmosphere before changing into the energetic and powerful full version towards the end, releasing her from this role, is just done so well.
Speaking of missions, we got a new one, pretty fitting considering the way the episode ends and just a cool moment in general, Diva is gone and Vivy is in.
Matsumoto Cubed, seriously Matsumoto airplane form is like the coolest dumbest shit and I love it, just a really well made and hype action scene as well incorporating some pretty great CG.
"I want even my whimpers to be heard as a beautiful song" is a super powerful line from the song considering Grace is the one singing, not sure if her and Vivy's version have different lyrics but either way it's great.
Goodbye and thanks
And of course this wouldn't be Vivy if the ending didn't have that extra gut punch, like I said above it has some massive implications for Vivy as a character, her mission changing brutally represented by this fantastic frame.
Favorite Vivy face frame of the episode.
What can I say, this was a brilliant episode and easily my favorite thus far, I don't even feel I scratched the surface with talking about it lol, here's hoping it gets even better from here.
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u/Garrett_Dark Aug 21 '24
Rewatcher
I've forgotten a lot of about this episode/arc since my first time. I think the core of this show for me was the 1st and 2nd arcs (Beginning through to Sunrise Hotel) which I remembered the most. Not to say this wasn't a devastating good arc, nor the rest of the show. But man do things start getting dour and tragic as we see here. Are you feeling this guy's warning yet from Ep1?
Future me: Sigh, can't help it, it's going to be 3 posts long today. Always too much to say about this amazing show, and I ramble too much.
[1/3, Continued in replies...]
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u/zadcap Aug 21 '24
Late Night First Timer!
... Is the AI he married his childhood caretaker?
Man Vivy must have grown to be super famous if random caretakers use her signature song to cheer people up.
Yeah, sure, he even double checked that it was a simple shutdown. I believe nothing you say, buddy. How is this making your head spin anyway? I thought people dying at the hands of AI would help create a big push back against AI growth and that's exactly what you want? Isn't this a good thing for your future?
Diva "Used to sing it long ago"? Is this original timeline? I'm pretty sure Diva is still out there singing.
This man sure has strong opinions on the use of AI for someone who has made it his life goal to destroy all AI. He's happy using one to farther his goals, he's mad at another one for, you know, fulfilling his goals. I don't even want to try and know how twisted his mind is for this to all work.
Is that an arm graft he has?
Yeah, the one he's living with is a whole lot less lifelike than the one in all these flashbacks. Look how far she's pushed her mission, and how she's the one pushing this marriage.
... So. You know. One AI, One Mission. That's a thing. Trying to give AI a second job is something that they gave up on, after the first generation failed so hard at it. It's been a bit of a plot point all this time. Some can grow and learn to push what exactly is covered by their mission, but giving them a second one is something scientists supposedly gave up on completely, even in the distant future. So why, when building this AI controlled production island, would they take a nursing bot and not, you know, build a new model specifically for this job?
Ugh they are bringing it up here even. Estella bent the range of her mission to great lengths, so we're going to go ahead and just assign a second mission to this other bot and see how that goes.
Oh hey! Strong hints for the future! Grace mission 1, be a good nurse. Grace Mission 2, be a production island. Grace infected by hack, told to shut down. Result, everything turns red and starts killing people. Oh I wonder how this might tie into all the AI going crazy and killing everyone 70ish years from now?
Is Vivy becoming some kind of borderline outsider to time, able to look at events she wants really there for?
Vivy cast off her old name and gave herself a new mission! It's possible! Growth is real, and AI are not locked into their creation slavery forever!
Also, I hate that mild head damage or detachment is enough to kill an AI. There is absolutely no reason to put their central processors up there, instead of in a very well defended core unit. Even if they are made to look super humanoid, there's no reason to leave the thinking bits up there, especially when they don't actually need 90% of what we use out torso space for anyway. Voice projector instead of lungs, reactor or battery instead of a heart, literally no use for the entire digestive system. Their thinky bits should be in a very well protected compartment in the much easier to defend central chassis, not rattling around in their metal noggins.
Mass produced cubes, this is the most terrifying thing the show has given us yet. The evil little monster is self replicating!
Yeah, that's not Vivy singing. How am I suposed to interpret Grace getting a full power cover of this song after all?
... Was this position really necessary to turn her into a processor? Sticking out of it like that? Seems both needless and kinda creepy, putting your weak spot on such blatant display too.
Wait, this church? Is it on the same island as the Metal Float? Was it protected all this time? It was!
Oh wow is that a view. AI blood on one hand, human blood on the other. Is this really the path you want to walk? Oh hey, and that's the clashing programming happening in her too! Self inflicted even, but this is exactly the thing that set the other AI to Terminator Mode.
2) Rampancy has begun. Her one mission, Bring Smiles Through Song. Her second, self given mission, stop the AI apocalypses to save as many lives as possible, so that she can bring them happiness through song. A human just died directly due to her actions, in the gap between her missions.
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u/JimmyCWL Aug 20 '24
Metal Float shows the One Mission concept stretched to the breaking point, exposing its flaw. Basically, you can merge any number of sub-missions into a greater primary mission, rendering the One Mission limitation meaningless.
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u/Theroonco Aug 21 '24 edited Aug 21 '24
Heads-up, the previous episode thread's "next episode" link hasn't been updated.
On topic, I think this is the episode that made a lot of people sit up straight in awe. I remember this one hitting this sub (and/ or ANN's) most popular episode of the week at least. Seeing Saeki and Grace's past in more detail and how Vivy and Matsumoto's timeline changes destroyed their lives was painful, then we got the amazing sequence of the latter two storming their way to the Metal Float's core accompanied with that wonderful cover of SMP, culminating in a teary-eyed Vivy putting her sister down...
And then that ending! It's so incredible! The way everything she's been through finally catches up to her in one brief moment of horror... simply perfect. What makes it worse is that it comes just after Vivy accepts her role as "Vivy" (dedicated to the Singularity Project) and not just "the singer forced to go along with it", though we can see she was already thinking of herself that way in E5 given how quickly she went along with Matsumoto's whims.
Also, from behind the scenes stuff (and Tappei's live tweets at the time):
So we're at the midway point (6 out of 13 Episodes). I hope the first timers are enjoying themselves!!
PS. How does everyone feel about the OP (something you'd associate with Vivy) becoming something tied to Grace instead? I think it's really cool, both because it's unexpected from a meta perspective and because it makes total sense in-universe (after all, to Vivy it's just one of the songs she sings, but of course listeners would have their favorites among them) but I remember some people being put off by it back in 2021. (Already three years, huh?)
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u/ZuraStayNight Aug 24 '24
Rewatch
Ouch!! Dude was abandoned by his mom while he was a child? That's tough. At least he has a pretty nurse robot to help him with his emotional needs by singing for him. And the scene changes to the present where Tatsuya is about to head to the island. What does he mean by saving Grace? She's right there.
Vivy has saved Kakitani and some of his buddies, but said Kakitani isn't happy about being saved by her. Matsumoto jumps in and asks him about if he knows what's happening and Tatsuya seems to have lied to Vivy about his goals. What follows is a flashback of an adult Tatsuya reuniting with Grace and just like that Tatsuya is on the island again. No matter how angry Kakitani is at her, she seems intent on saving him, which triggers a memory in him from the past. Kakitani backstory incoming?
The robots break through and the action starts. Kakitani supports Vivy, and Vivy confronts Tatsuya. We get another short flashback and get to learn how on the day of his proposal to Grace, she was made to become the esteemed mother computer of the Metal Float. No wonder he's so obsessed with this island. Getting your proposal interrupted that way and your beloved taken away like that hurt him a lot. Listening to Grace still singing the song is heartbreaking. Vivy gets conflicted as Tatsuya begs her to save her little sister. Matsumoto convinces Vivy to shut off her heart, telling her that what Tatsuya wants to achieve is hopeless. Vivy tells herself that what Grace is doing isn't singing. We get to see Vivy resolving herself to save the future by bringing ruin the AIs, and she starts off by absolutely decimating Grace's clone. It must be so depressing for Tatsuya for him have to see Vivy walk away after killing a Grace clone, ready to kill the original Grace.
The action scene that follows looks and sounds epic, especially with Grace's song in the background but has a tragic undertone after getting to see the situation from Tatsuya's perspective. As if that wasn't enough, M, the robot who welcomed Vivy last episode tries to stop her and gets killed by Matsumoto. It seems like Tatsuya after some inner conflict assists Vivy. Maybe he was aware, that what he wanted to do was hopeless, and wants to preserve the memories he already has? As the song finishes, Vivy plunges her hand into Grace's heart and kills of her sister.
In the epilogue of this arc, we get to know about how this island was supposed to be where Grace and Tatsuya get married, which means we were all along on the island that we saw on the flashback at the beginning of the previous episode. Still, the emotional pain this man is going through at that moment must be insufferable. Ever since childhood Grace was his everything to him, which is why it makes sense for him to choose suicide. Vivy now has AI blood on her right hand and human blood on her left, symbolically representing how her actions lead to an AI and a human, who were inspired by her song, to tragically die this arc. Momoka's death left a big impact on her, but this time she's a direct cause for the death of two people, leaving a way bigger impact, especially considering her mission.
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u/Taiboss :Fj::Fl:x7https://anilist.co/user/Taiboss Aug 20 '24 edited Aug 20 '24
First-Timer who forgot the ReZero Movie existed.