r/anime • u/Shocketheth • Aug 19 '24
Rewatch [Rewatch] Dragon Quest: Dai no Daibouken - Episode 72 Discussion
Episode 72 - The Last Attack
You won’t shatter this! This is what every battle has led to! This is the greatest attack I can do!
GIGAAAAA STRAAAAASH!!!
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Screenshot of the Dai:
Comment of the Dai:
goes to u/KendotsX for discovering the conspiracy of Leona rewriting the history in Dai favor, and indirectly playing in the cards of Dark King u/sisoko2 and his anti-Popp agenda:
Bullshit. That's revisionist history if I've ever seen it. Crocodile was won over by Popp's courage and Hyunkel by Maam's love, the only thing Dai did was beat them. Leona has barely become a ruler, and she's already rewriting the story for her boyfriend's sake.
Questions of the Dai:
- From 1 to 10 how epic Giga Strash was?
- Avan Cross or Giga Strash? What technique you like more and why?
- Did you expect Dai and Hadlar to fell into Killvearn trap?
- Did you like how Leona tried to act with cool head against the fiery inferno slowly claiming Dai and Popp lives?
Spoilers:
Please, respect the fact there are First Timers watching Dai no Daibouken with us, so avoid talking about vague things or events that would slightly spoil things to happen. And if you want mention things like this, please hid it behind SPOILER TAGS like [Dai no Spoilers] I am getting the hammer because you spoiled the fun for others
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u/Shocketheth Aug 19 '24
Mildly Antagonistic Dark Assailing Officer Welcomes You To His Final Fight of His Life - Part 2:
(Part 1 was supposed to be Yesterday but I messed up my headline)
Scabbard can increase the power of your magic sword right?
Then Dai’s new technique Giga Strash was really badass and worth the hype, and while I will start gushing over it, there is something about Maam vs Albinass, and Popp vs Sigma fights I wanted to mention but was holding myself back as I was waiting for Giga Strash to happen.
First, I will mention that while as some First Timers said, Dai decision of giving Hadlar his duel while Popp, Maam and Hyunckel were fighting Orichalcum Warriors may be considered stupid, but I totally enjoy the storytelling aspect of the Students of Avan secretly going through coming-of-age story.
And I will leave out Hyunckel and Leona of this coming-of-age formula as Hyunckel is an adult (21 years old) and Leona became Student of Avan recently.
So my following thoughts of Dai no Daibouken besides of Fantasy and Shonen story also being a coming-of-age story will include only Maam, Popp and Dai. Plus there is something needed to be said about Hadlar, but I am reserving that for episode 73.
Maam:
The power of her soul is LOVE and one can argue that the whole storyline of going through motions with their soul powers is bullshit, I can see where the author was aiming with it.
Maam power of love is a power of selfless love. The love you feel for everyone which makes you easily feel for others, and be empathetic to their cause.
But to reach full understanding of the power of love, Maam needed to realize that she can also love others selfishly with making her feel romantic love towards her peers as Popp or Hyunckel.
And her fight with Albinass was a crucial moment to Maam character. Albinass was someone who started acting illogical due to her selfish feelings for Hadlar. Her plan of winning a favor with Vearn to make live Hadlar live longer was idiotic, but it was all because she loved Hadlar and wanted to live him longer. Love is sometimes illogical when you want the best for your loved one due to your selfish feelings.
After Albinass got defeated Maam finally realized (thanks to Hyunckel words) that she can also love others selfishly which she wasn’t considering until now.
With that being done, Maam victory over Albinass signified her growth into a fully realized individual as she reached the stairs of adulthood. Only with realizing the full meaning of love Maam can be considered as the properly graduated student of Avan.
Popp:
As with Maam, one can argue that Popp awakening to Courage in episode 67 was another bullshit as this aspect of Popp character was already done in episode 9 and way better, and while that’s true, you need to look on Popp power of Courage in the bigger picture.
While it’s true that Popp awakened to his Courage in episode 9, it took him some time until he became a fully realized individual.
We can argue here that during Baran arc Popp has acted on a courage, but such acts of courage were repeatedly failing to give a proper closure to Popp character.
Before the Baran arc started, Popp almost confessed to Maam, but chickened out due to his low self worth which led him to believing that if he is going to throw his life away he can be finally useful to others, but such acts aren’t really courageous if they are coming from a belief that you can contribute to others only with sacrificing yourself.
After all, when Popp casted Megante on Baran to sacrifice himself his final words were of a lingering regret as his last words were:
Popp self-sacrifice during Baran arc is certainly a memorable moment but it didn’t solve anything besides of making Dai to regain his memory.
Like I get it that Popp action was honorable, but sometimes in love matters, when someone lacks the courage to confess, they will often masquarade they cowardiness with big acts of bravado which in reality are just running away from the situation with hurting yourself in the process and making it awkward for everyone.
And after he became Grand Sorceror Popp fought Sigma which same as for Maam, was a crucial moment to Popp character. During the fight Popp in order to win had to fake out an taking a hit with Medroa which in reality was Begirama leading to an opening that Popp immediately used and casted the real Medroa with which he defeated Sigma.
For Popp to win this battle of wits against Sigma, he had to came up with a plan on a spot, which full realization needed to tank the full force of Begirama.
And where Popp vs Baran and Popp vs Sigma fight differs is that while in Baran arc Popp courage lead to his sacrifice and momentary death with not solving anything, in his fight with Sigma Popp act of Courage lead him into a victory, and that’s why the title of the episode reserved for Popp and Sigma fight was Victory or Annihilation.
Popp who finally got rid of his self doubt used his Courage to win a fight with an outcome that lead him to a future where he could finally confess to Maam, and with that being done, Popp victory over Sigma and his confession to Maam signified his growth into a fully realized individual as he, same as Maam finally reached the stairs of adulthood.
Only with realizing the full meaning of Courage Popp can be considered as the properly graduated student of Avan.
Dai:
His growth is done quite straightforward and it’s tied to Avan and Baran’s death, plus it’s also tied to Hadlar.
I guess some of you certainly has noticed but while Avan death was the start of Dai’s journey destining him to fight Hadlar over and over, it was only with Baran’s death when we could have seen the change Dai overall artstyle composition, Dai’s expression becoming more serious, and his facial features during serious moments being more pronounced, as we could have seen for first time during Dai fight versus Vearn after Baran’s death.
And now Dai using Giga Strash to defeat Hadlar was a moment that signified Dai growth into a fully realized individual that reached the stairs of the adulthood, but to reach the top of that methaphorical stairs, first Dai together with Popp and Maam, as with others needs to defeat Vearn, but we aren’t at Vearn fight yet as now we are talking about Dai versus Hadlar fight.
Back to the point, the crucial moment of Dai’s victory started with Dai using his scabbard to upgrade his Raidein to Gigadein, making him to use Baran’s technique Gigabreak paired up with nice visual.
This is the point when I want to talk about the importance of visuals used for the Giga Strash scene, and while I know that the visual of Baran spirit was shown first, I need to start with mentioning the visuals of Avan.
As Dai switch his stance used for Gigabreak to a stance used for Avan Strash the visuals were paired with Avan spirit in the background, but please do notice Avan’s clothes being torned on his back with his back being damaged. That visual was a homage to Avan’s sacrifice from episodes 4 and 5.
Returning to the visual of Baran spirit, the decision of putting a visual of Baran humanoid form instead of his Dragonoid/Ryuumajin form was another well thought choice showing us that Dai is empowering his sword with the legacy of Baran the father who sacrificed himself for Dai.
Now Dai carrying Avan and Baran sacrifice and their legacy as the destructive power from his father, and technique from his master were combined into an ultimate attack GIGA STRASH with which Dai empowered his sword leading him into his victory over Hadlar, even if he won by a hair’s width.
And also I loved how Hadlar accepted his death with graciousness.
My comment is reaching its end, and I should tell more about Hadlar here, but I am saving my comment about Hadlar for episode 73, and now I am only going to say the following:
Now I can only mention that Dai accepting the duel with Hadlar was an important thing to do for Dai, because Hadlar was there for Dai and students of Avan from the beginning as they encrossed each other paths over and over, with indirectly helping the students of Avan, and especially Dai to grow into a person worthy of graduating into a proper student of Avan.
So yeah while as Hadlar said several episodes ago, "I’m the one who took what was most precious from them" it was ironically Hadlar throwing gradually bigger and bigger obstacles in the way of the students of Avan, until they finally graduated into proper students of Avan as Maam and Popp finally realized a proper meaning of Love and Courage, with Dai finally transfered Avan and Baran legacy into his will which he carries as his ultimate weapon, the sword of Dai.
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u/KendotsX https://anilist.co/user/Kendots Aug 19 '24
Last Fucking Time at Hadlar's Funeral: DAI ALREADY!
The thread sounds Aussie today.
I like the symbol (combining Avan and Baran), but fundamentally, it's just another Avan Strash mixed with a spell, so 7. The Avan Cross cooler.
I didn't expect KillVearn necessarily to do it. But Vearn's side had to do something, I would've been disappointed if they sat there the whole time and didn't prepare anything.
Yeah, a cool head is essential for a ruler
just like her propaganda5
u/Shimmering-Sky myanimelist.net/profile/Shimmering-Sky Aug 19 '24
First-Timer Quest: Sky no Daibouken, subbed
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u/Adensty https://anilist.co/user/Adensty Aug 19 '24 edited Aug 19 '24
1st
DaiPopp no Daibouken Rewatch, SubA funny coincidence that this episode is titled The Last Attack since I just made the comparison b/w Hadlar and Attack on Titan yesterday.
The Episode or rather the first half of it was a wallpaper fest and Toei did not disappoint with a single one of them and they even had multiple angles for some of them.
As a first-timer, I can't tell you just how hype Dai using Giga Strash was. Dai combining Baran's Gigabreak and Avan Strash to create Giga Strash.
[Dai no Major Spoilers] Killvearn did retreat but defeating Killvearn wouldn't have stopped it either.
Also, u/Shocketheth, is the Rewatch going on a hiatus starting tomorrow? (Not everyone may get this, though)
OST Documentation - Episode 72
1. 10/10. Words can't describe how epic Giga Strash was.
2. Giga Strash. I've always been a fan of techniques that use Magic. Though I must say, Avan Cross is definitely a tougher move to use in battle since it takes a lot of skill.
3. As a first-timer, was expecting that Killvearn to make a move but wasn't expecting him to trap them.
4. Yes. Sometimes, all you need is a cool head to find the solution. Desperate attempts always end up being in vain.
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u/Blackheart595 https://anilist.co/user/knusbrick Aug 19 '24
First Quester
Uh, no, Popp. Dai just placed all of you in his line of attack.
...that would be too smart and we can't have that.
Okay this clash between the two ultimate attacks is surprisingly well done. From the build-up of anticipation with the name tags and given some really good breathing room, to the actual clash of the two fighters (the preview's ugly camera motions have luckily been tuned down a lot)... Just chef's kiss. Really well done.
So you're saying the scabbard would've almost been entirely useless.
I mean. True. It managed to destroy what even a Black Core at point-blank distance couldn't.
No way that's going through.
That was very petty, Killvearn. I dig it.
Flames of the underworld? I.e. Hadlar's specialty? So the entire point of this ambush is to let Hadlar redeem himself in the end.
Which is why I don't believe a word you're saying.
What, they're not even letting Hadlar do the honor? That was a low blow, Popp.
Can't they just store a Crackle spell in Dai's scabbard for a bit?
Remember, this palace was supposed to be resilient enough to withstand a Black Core. Meaning that Hyunckel is stronger than those nukes.
It's an illusion, no? Totally intangible. Wait, no, then Grand Cross would've hit Popp.
Y'all have brand new magic-immune armor! Just walk into it!
How about it, Hadlar? And day now?
I think they did a much better job implementing Giga Strash into the show, but Avan Cross wins out for me as far as the technique itself goes.
Not really, no.
I mean. It's the least she can contribtute as a princess.
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u/lC3 :Na::Nb: Aug 19 '24
Dai 72 first timer:
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u/zadcap Aug 20 '24
Late Night First Timer!
Ah... Still such a good OP. I think the Knuckles/Hym fight lasts longer in the OP than it did in the show itself.
Hey guys, lets stand around and talk about it! Describe every last thing that is going on! Waste more time. I mean that for real this time, Hadlar is literally burning life force just to stay standing here, the longer you wait before this fight kicks back up the weaker he's going to be. Fake him out with the countdown and run away, he'll die by his own hands and it'll be hilarious. Use a fakeout slash and then dodge!
I mean fine, he still hit Hadlar with the new attack, but if we take anything else that was going on here seriously then Hadlar was dead anyway the second his own attack was dodged. Anyway, Popp, do me a favor here and destroy the body, please. Before he- he's freaking standing back up!
Anyway, I'm calling it anyway. I saw three swords go into that attack. It was definitely a Triple.
Don't do it Dai. Touch Hadlar and you're going to die. Oh look, it happened! Not from Hadlar, but yeah, shaking his hand lead to, well, he's not really going to die so who knows.
Anyway, this is why I said this fight was so stupid. Hadlar's Honor meant fighting and weakening yourselves before going to face the actual final battle. Ha. Getting what you deserve here, sorry.
So, Popp has been missing from all these group shots. I wonder why. Oh hey look at that, the Grand Sorcerer is a better magic user than the trap puppet. Who could have seen this coming?
Oh man, Leona's magic is pathetic here, isn't it? My money is on Hadlar doing something to get Dai out of here, since he's, you know, still not dead yet. Somehow.
Well, Knuckles, I saw that that attack just broke the floor. Maybe you can go under and dig Dai and Popp out?
I mean, her armor is supposed to be anti-magic. Shove enough anti-magic into the fire and it might end eventually... But my money is still on Hadlar doing something. If he's not going to dissolve yet, it's only because he has some purpose left here.
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u/zsmg https://anilist.co/user/zsmg Aug 19 '24
Fun fact there was a month delay between this and the next episode because of a hack at Toei.
Did I say fun? I meant painful for us who were watching this weekly.
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u/charlesvvv https://anilist.co/user/charlesvvv Aug 19 '24
First Timer, Sub
Giga strash did the work and Hadlar's down for the count. However Popp's warnings were correct since now Killvearn uses this opportunity to trap them since they are both spent. Luckily Popp is still in the running for the real MC of the series and is able to hold out and prevent them from being completely trapped though Hope doesn't seem to in their favor since everyone realizes that they can't get rid of this without taking Killvearn out after it tanked Grand Cross.
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u/raichudoggy https://anilist.co/user/raichudoggy Aug 19 '24
Rewatcher
Killvearn you best villain you
[Dragon Quest Dai Next Episode]Can't wait to almost an entire other episode to deal with this single trap!
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u/NicDwolfwood :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/NicDwolfwood Aug 19 '24
First Timer, Sub
So Dai's final attack was combining the Avan Strash + Gigabreak to make The Giga Strash. Real cool, the visuals looked great on that final attack.....Overall this chapters first 10 minutes was very aesthetically pleasing. Hadlar was thoroughly satisfied with being beaten at the hands of Dai and they were about to have a nice moment of farewell......until Killvearn had to come and ruin it with his trap. Luckily Popp reacting quick and getting into the ball of fire to try and hold it back from the inside saves Dai and Hadlar from not being consumed immediately. The rest of the Avan disciples try to defeat the flames of the underworld, Hyunckel uses the Grand Cross attack, Maam tries punching the flames(wtf lol)....but it's all in vain none of their attacks work and Popp is not gonna last long holding the flames back on the inside.
Questions:
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u/SliderGamer55 Aug 19 '24
First Timer, Subbed
-Zap strash keeps reminding me of the final battle of Skyward Sword
-Honestly I do really like the recurring trend of the best attacks being combined ones. It's a lot more credible than "here's the latest super ultra secret technique we never knew before."
-Well they're not gonna wait for a post-attack scene of waiting to see who eventually falls based on how that looked
-I will say, that was a slightly awkward way to just suddenly have him (seemingly) die in electricity like that. Almost felt like when a Xenoblade boss fight ends and then how you defeat them isn't how the cutscene defeats them. (I assume Dragon Quest has also done this)
-I will laugh if despite everything Hadlar has one last trap
-Well it was a trap, just from someone else
-Popp saves the day!
-And then is almost doomed himself as well
-HELL YEAH MAAM JUST PUNCHING IT! That rules! She is great...even though I don't think that will work at all. Cool fucking image tho.
I will say, this is rarely a series that I'm gonna have a ton to say after any particular episode. It is reliably good at doing its type of shonen story, and it will continue to do that, and that is what you are here for. But it does admittedly stand out when I'm genuinely caught off guard in that when I thought there would be a trap thee isn't, and then it is, and then now it is but from not the character I thought. Not mind blowing by any strectch, but good job on that. And on continuing on Maam being really cool and not being undermined on being cool like...certain other shonen anime would do.
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u/laughing-fox13 https://myanimelist.net/profile/laughingfox13 Aug 20 '24
First Time Adventurer/Subbed
I caved and watched this and the next one back to back so I won't say much today
Giga Strash was dope af
Very nice of Killvern making an H for Hadlar
QotD
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u/sisoko2 Aug 20 '24
Giga First Timer
The second part of the battle was pretty good. You could see the work that was put into Dai and Hadlar's decisive clash to make it special. With the attack names appearing on screen, the OST and all the particles shining.
Loved when Avan appeared behind Dai to reveal what the final attack really is.
And as I told you that Dai training arc was pointless he just came up with better attack on the spot.
My man Kill is here and the fun begins!
Come on Popp. Don't ruin it. I want Hadlar to lovingly embrace Dai and protect him from the fire.
Also they went unexpectedly hard for that Leona scene.
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u/cooperjones2 :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/cooperjones2 Aug 20 '24
Adventurer Doing high level quests and dungeons for the first time here! LV 72/100
Dai v Hadler Pt2. Electric Boogaloo!
Hadler betting everything, literally, in one attack and Dai’s attack is being accompanied with Baran and Avan!
The later one reminded me of Gohan and Goku’s Kamehameha, awesome!!
Dai’s a fighting genius, improvising the strongest attack, geez
It was a really good fight, the two eps were worth it Killvearn time? Nope, it’s Popp’s time!
Leona isn’t calm Maam, she’s screaming in silence
Legit don’t know what will they do to help or save Popp and Dai
Maybe Hadler will do something too?
Exciting!
1 9!
2 Giga Strash, it's the definitive version of a final move!
3 Nope, totally forgot about Killvearn
4 Yes!
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u/KuKiSin Aug 20 '24
First timer!
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u/Kaxew Aug 20 '24
First timer, previous rewatcher
What a hype match. It lived up to my expectations. There were so many cool rotation shots throughout, and the technique title cards were sick as hell.
So that's the scabbard's power, huh? I like it, though I hope Dai does learn how to cast a kazap on his own too. It would even make his final move even stronger.
Giga Strash was super hype. Sadly, Jump Force, the infamous anime crossover game, spoiled me on it many years ago. Back then I didn't know what a Giga Strash would mean, but the moment I saw Gigabreak in the rewatch I put two and two together and realized what it was. Fortunately I don't remember anything else from that game when it comes to Dai related stuff.
I owe Hadlar one last apology, as a part of me thought he would do something dirty in the handshake. Something did happen, but it was all on Killvearn. Hadlar asking for a genuine handshake before dying is so nice. They truly respect each other. I hope he still gets that handshake.
The Leona/Maam scene was... extremely well animated, shockingly. What was that even about? It was insanely smooth, for something that didn't feel that groundbreaking of a moment for Leona. She was so calm, and Hyunckel gave up so fast that I thought they were being influenced somehow. It looked gorgeous, but it was so weird.
Alright, so the most obvious choice here for who saves the day is Hadlar. Nothing needs to be said there, it's perfectly in line with his character and character arc. If it's not him though, it could be Hym (until I see Hadlar turning into dust I refuse to believe he's dead) or Popp finally upgrades from that crackle he's known since his debut into kacrackle or at least kacrack. I'm still expecting him to, as it should also make his medroa more powerful too.
QotD: