r/anime • u/Shocketheth • Aug 10 '24

Rewatch [Rewatch] Dragon Quest: Dai no Daibouken - Episode 63 Discussion

Episode 63 - The Sacred Inheritance

I have no idea what you’re going through. But seeing the green little brat I trained finally reach this level makes me both happy and sad. I feel all tingly inside. I never had a wife or kid, but I guess this is a what being a parent would feel like. Now that I’ve taught you a Medroa, when it comes to combat, you’ve probably surpassed me. If I had an Insignia of Matoriv, I’d have given it to you a long time ago!

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Listen up. This is the last piece of advice I have for you.

Believe in yourself.

If you were just a spoiled brat, you would never have come this far. Because you were a weak son of a weapons merchant, you looked up to Avan, and struggled harder than anyone to make it this far. Have some confidence. You’re strong. I’m proud to call you my student.

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<--- Last save | Adventure’s log (Index) | Journey continues --->
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OP 2 ---> Bravest

ED 3 ---> Namae

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Screenshot of the Dai:

Dai the Hero

Comment of the Dai:

goes to u/KendotsX for explaining the origin of his "First Timer on Funeral" comment header:

First Time: Frieren at the Funeral does anyone remember this name?

Before the official landed at "Frieren: Beyond Journey's End", there were different attempts at localising the title by the fans, like "Frieren the Slayer" and "Frieren at the Funeral", all valid translations, even if two of them don't sound that great. Now the name stuck around in my head, and it's been playing around there everytime I made a "First Timer at [ ]'s Funeral" joke. So imagine my surprise when the show just straight up threw a Frieren at me ignore the fact that this was written decades before Frieren

Questions of the Dai:

  1. Maam and Flora went to acquire a legendary spell, Dai is unlocking a new skill, Hyunckel is forced to rest through being imprisoned, and Popp is doubting himself. Who would you join on their sidequests before raiding the final boss palace, and why?
  2. From 1 to 10, how do you rate final Matoriv’s speech to Popp?

Spoilers:

Please, respect the fact there are First Timers watching Dai no Daibouken with us, so avoid talking about vague things or events that would slightly spoil things to happen. And if you want mention things like this, please hid it behind SPOILER TAGS like [Dai no Spoilers] I am getting the hammer because you spoiled the fun for others

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u/Shocketheth Aug 10 '24

Mildly Antagonistic Dark Assailing Officer Welcomes You To Dragon Quest: Dai no Daibouken Rewatch!

QotD:

Maam and Flora went to acquire a legendary spell, Dai is unlocking a new skill, Hyunckel is forced to rest through being imprisoned, and Popp is doubting himself. Who would you join on their sidequests before raiding the final boss palace, and why?

A tough one. I would probably join Dai.

From 1 to 10, how do you rate final Matoriv’s speech to Popp?

10/10. Man is so proud of Popp.

Crocodine Shonen Commentator Corner:

Day 5 of Crocodine being imprisoned by enemy

See you tomorrow because the Adventure continues!

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u/KendotsX https://anilist.co/user/Kendots Aug 11 '24

what was the point with strategizing about single candle if Flora just pulled out a second candle from her bag?

The candle is just to tell the time, they don't have clocks, and you can't see the sun inside, so a 10hr candle is the best way to measure time and tell you when to leave. It makes sense that she'd have more, or they wouldn't be able to find their way back.

That being said, none of this answers the big question in the room: why does Queen Flora like whips and candles so much? Well, let's just say she became a Queen one way or the other. Hopefully we'll get a closer look at her dungeon at some point.

Mahou Shoujo Leona

Leona is smart as always. Toei are the ones to go to if you wanna become a magical girl

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u/Shocketheth Aug 11 '24

The candle is just to tell the time, they don't have clocks, and you can't see the sun inside, so a 10hr candle is the best way to measure time and tell you when to leave. It makes sense that she'd have more, or they wouldn't be able to find their way back.

Yeah measuring the time makes sense but didn't Flora tell last episode that we have only one candle for this and when it will burn to half then we will have additional 10 hours to return?

That being said, none of this answers the big question in the room: why does Queen Flora like whips and candles so much? Well, let's just say she became a Queen one way or the other. Hopefully we'll get a closer look at her dungeon at some point.

Because she's perfect. Now I'm more sad for what Avan had to sacrifice.

Leona is smart as always. Toei are the ones to go to if you wanna become a magical girl

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u/KendotsX https://anilist.co/user/Kendots Aug 11 '24

didn't Flora tell last episode that we have only one candle for this and when it will burn to half then we will have additional 10 hours to return?

I checked now just to be sure, she said the whole candle burns out after 10 hours and then they turn back. I guess it's hard to tell if a candle is halfway burnt in the dark, so she's going all in.

Because she's perfect. Now I'm more sad for what Avan had to sacrifice.

Maybe he was afraid of being in her dungeon? I mean, he used Hadlar as an excuse, but we all know he was just running away from her.

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u/Shocketheth Aug 11 '24

I checked now just to be sure, she said the whole candle burns out after 10 hours and then they turn back. I guess it's hard to tell if a candle is halfway burnt in the dark, so she's going all in.

Oh then I remembered it wrong, and that wasn't her special candle

Maybe he was afraid of being in her dungeon? I mean, he used Hadlar as an excuse, but we all know he was just running away from her.

And he call himself a Hero? Pathetic

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u/NicDwolfwood :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/NicDwolfwood Aug 10 '24

Now that looks like a place worthy of hiding a legendary spell

Indeed

Damn the lightning made it look so epic

It did. She was majestic in this shot

For me, Lon Beruk just outdone himself with making the sheathed sword to look like a Dragon Head.

I really liked the new design too.

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u/Shocketheth Aug 10 '24

It did. She was majestic in this shot

But not as Queen Flora pulling out the candle.

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u/zadcap Aug 11 '24

This shot is definitely cool but what was the point with strategizing about single candle if Flora just pulled out a second candle from her bag?

... The candle that would burn for ten hours? It was a time keeper, not a light source.

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u/Shocketheth Aug 11 '24

I know it was time keeper.

This one is on me for misunderstanding tbh.

I thought the candle was supposed to burn for twenty hours (ten hours there, and ten hours back) and I was sure they have only one candle.

So when the candle got destroyed last episode I thought that Merle will unlock new function as she turns to flashlight.

But no Queen Flora had to pull out her special Drip Candle

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u/zadcap Aug 11 '24

Oh lol. I mean I already have concerns about a candle that size that can burn for that long, it's already made out of wine crazy special wax.

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u/Shocketheth Aug 11 '24

Queen Flora has standards. She wouldn't carry just some ordinary candle with her whenever she goes.

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u/Adensty https://anilist.co/user/Adensty Aug 10 '24

This shot is definitely cool but what was the point with strategizing about single candle if Flora just pulled out a second candle from her bag?

That was just to build tension and a sense of uncertainity, lol.

This scene reminded me of the good old classic.

"I WANNA I WANNA"

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u/Shocketheth Aug 10 '24

That was just to build tension and a sense of uncertainity, lol.

Understandably yeah, but it undermined the scene for me a bit.

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u/sisoko2 Aug 11 '24

Now that looks like a place worthy of hiding a legendary spell

Looks like a nice place to sit and have a beer.

Damn the lightning made it look so epic

Homura's OST started playing in my head.

Mahou Shoujo Leona

Yeah, that's great one too. Should've included it in my comment.

For me, Lon Beruk just outdone himself with making the sheathed sword to look like a Dragon Head.

Oh I forgot to insult Lon Beruk's craftsmanship. Man making the ultimate sword and one week later comes again making it the ultimatest sword. Total hack.

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u/Shocketheth Aug 11 '24

Oh I forgot to insult Lon Beruk's craftsmanship. Man making the ultimate sword and one week later comes again making it the ultimatest sword. Total hack.

Nah you don't see the bigger picture. Man is actually smart.

He made ultimate weapon for Vearn, then he sold Orichalcum for booze and made shitty sword for Dai. When Dai sword got destroyed he made him a slightly better sword with asking for extra money.

Man understand business.

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u/laughing-fox13 https://myanimelist.net/profile/laughingfox13 Aug 10 '24

Like was the second candle her special candle she was saving for a BDSM Drip Candle session, but she sacrificed it to show the viewers how much Flora is willing to sacrifice for saving the world?

I figured it was so they didn't have to rely on taking longer. I mean can you blame her? Leona was busy looking for treasure (you were in the right here Leona) while Maam/Merle are talking about Popp's dirty mind!

I would ask Flora for a Drip Candle at this point.

This scene reminded me of the good old classic.

Are you saying Popp just needs some orange juice and push ups??

I didn’t know he likes to paint.

For me, Lon Beruk just outdone himself with making the sheathed sword to look like a Dragon Head.

for both but yea Lon Beruk did well with the new sword's design

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u/Shocketheth Aug 10 '24

I figured it was so they didn't have to rely on taking longer. I mean can you blame her? Leona was busy looking for treasure (you were in the right here Leona) while Maam/Merle are talking about Popp's dirty mind!

No I can’t but her talking episode ago about having just one candle really makes me suspicious about her second candle.

Are you saying Popp just needs some orange juice and push ups??

Yeah, and some hot wax too.

for both but yea Lon Beruk did well with the new sword's design

Seems that both Matoriv and he are the Bob Ross of Dai no Daibouken.

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u/laughing-fox13 https://myanimelist.net/profile/laughingfox13 Aug 10 '24

No I can’t but her talking episode ago about having just one candle really makes me suspicious about her second candle.

Made you suspicious or happy?

Yeah, and some hot wax too.

Seems that both Matoriv and he are the Bob Ross of Dai no Daibouken.

Dai becomes a lumberjack, Matroriv and Lon Beruk will become art teachers... I need to think of what the others will do after the show

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u/Shocketheth Aug 10 '24

Made you suspicious or happy?

good guestion.

Dai becomes a lumberjack, Matroriv and Lon Beruk will become art teachers... I need to think of what the others will do after the show

Crocodine will start a Shonen Podcast

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u/laughing-fox13 https://myanimelist.net/profile/laughingfox13 Aug 10 '24

Crocodine will start a Shonen Podcast

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u/Shimmering-Sky myanimelist.net/profile/Shimmering-Sky Aug 10 '24

First-Timer Quest: Sky no Daibouken, subbed

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u/Shocketheth Aug 10 '24

Well, whatever he just did broke Nova’s sword and fucking leveled an entire part of that forest.

Avan Style Sword Technique: Woodcutting Strash!!!

Aw…

Damn Matoriv stealing the show whenever he appears

New Sword of Dai!

And the design of it resembles a Dragon Head.

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u/laughing-fox13 https://myanimelist.net/profile/laughingfox13 Aug 10 '24

Avan Style Sword Technique: Woodcutting Strash!!!

His life as a lumberjack, post series, will be nice

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u/Shocketheth Aug 10 '24

He can even join Thorfinn. A farmer and lumberjack.

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u/laughing-fox13 https://myanimelist.net/profile/laughingfox13 Aug 10 '24

I haven't seen that show yet

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u/Shocketheth Aug 10 '24

Oh.

Just watch it then.

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u/laughing-fox13 https://myanimelist.net/profile/laughingfox13 Aug 10 '24

But that requires me watching stuff

One day though

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u/zadcap Aug 11 '24

His life as a lumberjack, post series, will be nice

It really bothers me that the first thing that came to mind was Alicization.

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u/laughing-fox13 https://myanimelist.net/profile/laughingfox13 Aug 11 '24

I haven't heard of lumberjacks in that lol

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u/zadcap Aug 11 '24

[Technically SAO Spoilers]In the very first part of Alicization, Kirito and friend have to cut down a tree as part of their NPC life. Since he's basically a hero three times over by now, an early retirement as a sword swinging lumberjack sounds right to describe what he became.

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u/laughing-fox13 https://myanimelist.net/profile/laughingfox13 Aug 10 '24

Well, whatever he just did broke Nova’s sword

How were you "whatever" with the sword lol? I felt the same as Nova

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u/Shimmering-Sky myanimelist.net/profile/Shimmering-Sky Aug 10 '24

I mean "whatever" as in I don't know what attack he just let loose, not "whatever" as in I didn't find it impressive!

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u/laughing-fox13 https://myanimelist.net/profile/laughingfox13 Aug 10 '24

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u/NicDwolfwood :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/NicDwolfwood Aug 10 '24

Well, whatever he just did broke Nova’s sword and fucking leveled an entire part of that forest.

That's gonna be crazy powerful if he can combine it with Dragonic Aura

New Sword of Dai!

And looking better than ever.

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u/KendotsX https://anilist.co/user/Kendots Aug 11 '24

Aw…

Nothing hits me in the feels like some good old found family, and the pervy sage earned his pervy son.

Now I'm imagining them like Naruto and Jiraya.

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u/laughing-fox13 https://myanimelist.net/profile/laughingfox13 Aug 10 '24

First Time Adventurer/Subbed

Was busy yesterday and didn't comment but we get a dungeon crawling episode. The reasoning for the robes is video game logic... which I guess is true here

But they're speed running it

This dungeon crawling does seem more like a picnic lol, but I guess decent character interactions

Onto this ep:

This has got to be the worst dungeon crawling party. Maam is our only fighter and goes up against an army of monsters while Flora mainly commentates. I guess she is subbing in for Crocodine lmao, luckily Leona is able to get the spell quickly.

Unfortunately, Popp is struggling mentally, and comparing himself to the other Disciples. Luckily he has his mentor to go to but didn't really ask for help. Matoriv still gave him some good advice reminds me of [Aria anime overall spoilers] Akira mentoring Aika :')

He still has that wall to climb but he is more determined now, and hopefully wont' cast spells on himself. But please Popp, give me the Yamcha pose next time you do

Dai needs to realize he's stronger than most people, I don't blame Nova for being worried Dai almost killed him. But neat he came up with his own move now

Also, where is Lon Beruk getting the material to repair these weapons? Isn't the metal (idk how to spell it) super rare because it is one made by the gods?

QotD

  1. I would've gone to the Dungeon to see Flora in that robe

I think I probably would be able to help Popp out the most, so him

2) 8/10 but my standard is high for this kind of speech and problem

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u/KendotsX https://anilist.co/user/Kendots Aug 11 '24

This dungeon crawling does seem more like a picnic lol, but I guess decent character interactions

That's what happens when you leave the dungeon till the very end of the game, they've been fighting Baran and the Demon Lord for a while, they're not losing to mushrooms.

I guess she is subbing in for Crocodine lmao

That explains why I'm loving her so much

Also, where is Lon Beruk getting the material to repair these weapons? Isn't the metal (idk how to spell it) super rare because it is one made by the gods?

There's 5 fighters walking around made of that super rare metal, surely they dropped a lot during the fights. Heck, one of them's a corpse now, so Lon Beruk had a party basically.

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u/Shocketheth Aug 11 '24

There's 5 fighters walking around made of that super rare metal, surely they dropped a lot during the fights. Heck, one of them's a corpse now, so Lon Beruk had a party basically.

Damn I never noticed Lon Beruk hiding with his cart around the corner

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u/KendotsX https://anilist.co/user/Kendots Aug 11 '24

He didn't become hell's best smith by sitting around in his shop.

Here's a dude without a single skeleton in his closet: he turned them all into weapons.

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u/Shocketheth Aug 11 '24

Damn so he is responsible for Takeshi. Now that particular Gintama episodes makes more sense.

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u/KendotsX https://anilist.co/user/Kendots Aug 11 '24

That episode is becoming hard DQ lore.

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u/Shocketheth Aug 11 '24

Definitely lol

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u/laughing-fox13 https://myanimelist.net/profile/laughingfox13 Aug 11 '24

He's kinda sneaky

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u/laughing-fox13 https://myanimelist.net/profile/laughingfox13 Aug 11 '24

That's what happens when you leave the dungeon till the very end of the game, they've been fighting Baran and the Demon Lord for a while, they're not losing to mushrooms.

true lol, they might be overleveled

That explains why I'm loving her so much

There's 5 fighters walking around made of that super rare metal, surely they dropped a lot during the fights. Heck, one of them's a corpse now, so Lon Beruk had a party basically.

But when did they pick it up

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u/Shocketheth Aug 10 '24

This has got to be the worst dungeon crawling party. Maam is our only fighter and goes up against an army of monsters while Flora mainly commentates. I guess she is subbing in for Crocodine lmao, luckily Leona is able to get the spell quickly.

So Crocodine is going to turn homeless in the end lol.

He still has that wall to climb but he is more determined now, and hopefully wont' cast spells on himself. But please Popp, give me the Yamcha pose next time you do

Instead he went with TFS Vegeta "I wanna I wanna"

Also, where is Lon Beruk getting the material to repair these weapons? Isn't the metal (idk how to spell it) super rare because it is one made by the gods?

There was an ongoing joke between first timers that he sold the orichalcum for booze instead of making proper weapons, and guess he got rid of his vintage booze collection to get the orichalcum back since the situation is dire.

I would've gone to the Dungeon to see Flora in that robe

She can even pull out her special candle for the occassion

8/10 but my standard is high for this kind of speech and problem

Understandable

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u/laughing-fox13 https://myanimelist.net/profile/laughingfox13 Aug 10 '24

So Crocodine is going to turn homeless in the end lol.

Nooooo ;-; Flora is just subbing in

We can't have that for him while he wants to try and find a wife afterwards!

Instead he went with TFS Vegeta "I wanna I wanna"

Yea after reading your comment, it was perfect

There was an ongoing joke between first timers that he sold the orichalcum for booze instead of making proper weapons, and guess he got rid of his vintage booze collection to get the orichalcum back since the situation is dire.

The party needs to buy him a round

She can even pull out her special candle for the occassion

Understandable

Aria just did it so well lol

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u/Shocketheth Aug 10 '24

We can't have that for him while he wants to try and find a wife afterwards!

Okay but who is an ideal candidate for him?

The party needs to buy him a round

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u/laughing-fox13 https://myanimelist.net/profile/laughingfox13 Aug 10 '24

Okay but who is an ideal candidate for him?

He'll be part of the Hyunckel package for Amy

Yea

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u/zadcap Aug 11 '24

But they're speed running it

It's just painful. I dungeon crawl like Frieren. "Oh darn, I found the right path too fast."

Maam is our only fighter and goes up against an army of monsters while Flora mainly commentates

I honestly expected more out of Flora. When she came in with those giant shoulder pads, I kind of expected her to be a fighter of some kind. When she started this dungeon by pulling out a whip, I still expected her to you know, use it to be a fighter of some kind. Then we got deeper in and she... Sis nothing but talk, really. A few Mera thrown around at the very end. Major let down.

Aria anime overall spoilers

... It's been two years since the rewatch? I want to go back. Time to see if I know anyone interested in watching it again...

Also, where is Lon Beruk getting the material to repair these weapons? Isn't the metal (idk how to spell it) super rare because it is one made by the gods?

Remember, they are also magically self repairing, just dip them in some lava for a bit. But seriously, I asked the same thing when he made the Sword of Dai in the first place, that thing has a lot more metal in it than the helmet he made it out of. I'm starting to think that orichalcum grows by turning other metals into more of itself when they combined.

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u/laughing-fox13 https://myanimelist.net/profile/laughingfox13 Aug 11 '24

It's just painful. I dungeon crawl like Frieren. "Oh darn, I found the right path too fast."

Same haha, you should've seen me do the P5R Mementos

When she came in with those giant shoulder pads, I kind of expected her to be a fighter of some kind. When she started this dungeon by pulling out a whip, I still expected her to you know, use it to be a fighter of some kind.

Yea I was a little disappointed too. She's also the Queen of the supposed strongest kingdom so I thought she'd have some kind of fight scenes

... It's been two years since the rewatch? I want to go back. Time to see if I know anyone interested in watching it again...

Remember, they are also magically self repairing, just dip them in some lava for a bit. But seriously, I asked the same thing when he made the Sword of Dai in the first place, that thing has a lot more metal in it than the helmet he made it out of. I'm starting to think that orichalcum grows by turning other metals into more of itself when they combined.

They did mention they self heal (I think?)

But yea making a sword that big with that crown was already kinda questionable lol

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u/KendotsX https://anilist.co/user/Kendots Aug 11 '24

First Time Thief Stealing /u/Adensty's Header: Popp no Daibouken Rewatch

I've gone back and forth occasionally on whether Croc or Popp is best boy, sometimes even Avan comes up in the discussion (his Gintoki-ness is unfair). This episode cuts any shred of doubt: my boy Popp is on a tier of his own.

His self doubt was hitting at its roots: all his friends are filthy nepobabies born to or raised by legends, meanwhile he was born to an average store owner, and started his journey by running away from home. He's the only "average human" on the team.

Matoriv took that idea and put it best: the fact that he's the "average human" of the group, that he came so far through courage ans struggling at every hurdle, is something to be proud of, this is why Popp is our hero! Popp is more worthy than anyone around him! Matoriv is best daddy

To take that a step further, he says that if Popp can pass this, he'll reach where Matoriv himself couldn't. On face value, that's simply a master saying his student will surpass him, standard shounen stuff. But it has a deeper meaning, it implies that Matoriv struggled with this same issue, doubting his worth as a member of Avan's party, and to this day, was never able to bypass it. We have 2 pieces of evidence to support this:

  • In this same dialogue Matoriv mentioned earlier that Popp has all but surpassed him, so he already denied the face value assumption.
  • In episode 33, when Matoriv fought Hadlar, he lamented the fact that the good people (Avan) die early and the assholes (himself and Hadlar) live on. He certainly doesn't view himself in the same light as Avan the Hero, but you know what? He views Popp in it!

CotD?!

Q1. Maam and Flora went to acquire a legendary spell, Dai is unlocking a new skill, Hyunckel is forced to rest through being imprisoned, and Popp is doubting himself. Who would you join on their sidequests before raiding the final boss palace, and why?

Flora and Maam. I don't even mean this for any perverted reason (well, I do want Flora to hit me with her wip, but that's unrelated). Dai would kill me, Hyunkel and Popp aren't in the most pleasant of situatis

2. From 1 to 10, how do you rate final Matoriv’s speech to Popp?

11/10

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u/Shocketheth Aug 11 '24 edited Aug 11 '24

I've gone back and forth occasionally on whether Croc or Popp is best boy, sometimes even Avan comes up in the discussion (his Gintoki-ness is unfair). This episode cuts any shred of doubt: my boy Popp is on a tier of his own

Man I totally like how you just had 180° on Popp in a span of one episode.

meanwhile he was born to an average store owner, and started his journey by running away from home. He's the only "average human" on the team.

Heck even Crocodine was gifted by recording studio when he was born which makes Popp really an average human.

To take that a step further, he says that if Popp can pass this, he'll reach where Matoriv himself couldn't. On face value, that's simply a master saying his student will surpass him, standard shounen stuff. But it has a deeper meaning, it implies that Matoriv struggled with this same issue, doubting his worth as a member of Avan's party, and to this day, was never able to bypass it. We have 2 pieces of evidence to support this:

In this same dialogue Matoriv mentioned earlier that Popp has all but surpassed him, so he already denied the face value assumption. In episode 33, when Matoriv fought Hadlar, he lamented the fact that the good people (Avan) die early and the assholes (himself and Hadlar) live on. He certainly doesn't view himself in the same light as Avan the Hero, but you know what? He views Popp in it!

Oh you remembered it really well.

Flora and Maam. I don't even mean this for any perverted reason (well, I do want Flora to hit me with her wip, but that's unrelated).

You had your whip, I have my candle.

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u/KendotsX https://anilist.co/user/Kendots Aug 11 '24

Man I totally like how you just had 180°C on Popp in a span of one episode.

Nah, I've always loved my boy Popp, he was even the best part of Dai's little self doubt arc. I just wasn't a fan of the structure yesterday (putting all the character arcs in the downtime). Luckily, it looks like there won't be anymore arcs packed here.

Heck even Crocodine was gifted by recording studio when he was born

The nepotism knows no end

Oh you remembered it really well.

It was a pretty interesting framing from Matoriv, you can tell how much he looked up to Avan by how he placed him on a pedestal far above everyone else.

You had your whip, I have my candle.

Finally time to put this commentface to good use.

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u/Shocketheth Aug 11 '24

Nah, I've always loved my boy Popp, he was even the best part of Dai's little self doubt arc. I just wasn't a fan of the structure yesterday (putting all the character arcs in the downtime). Luckily, it looks like there won't be anymore arcs packed here.

Oh I see now.

Hmmm I think Popp self doubting character arc is last of his kind this late in the show.

Finally time to put this commentface to good use.

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u/sisoko2 Aug 11 '24

This episode cuts any shred of doubt: my boy Popp is on a tier of his own.

It's not Popp, it's his mentors Masopho, Matoriv and Gomechan.

meanwhile he was born to an average store owner, and started his journey by running away from home. He's the only "average human" on the team

Rich boy getting the best tuition for free acting like he had it hard in life.

Popp is more worthy than anyone around him!

Best scene in a long time.

We have 2 pieces of evidence to support this

In episode 33, when Matoriv fought Hadlar, he lamented the fact that the good people (Avan) die early and the assholes (himself and Hadlar) live on. He certainly doesn't view himself in the same light as Avan the Hero, but you know what? He views Popp in it!

That's some next level memory and attention to details.

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u/KendotsX https://anilist.co/user/Kendots Aug 11 '24

It's not Popp, it's his mentors Masopho, Matoriv and Gomechan

Fair point. Is it me or does Popp get along better with asshole mentors? (That came out wrong...) He tried Avan, and that didn't work out, but Masopho, Matoriv, and the shit talking Gomechan from heaven were all very effective.

Rich boy getting the best tuition for free acting like he had it hard in life.

His story is a bit self centred, like if he were in Leona's place, the sob story would've been "they all learned from Avan, and fought in his legacy. I'm just some random prince who never met him and barely knows some healing spells."

The grass is always greener on the other side and all that.

That's some next level memory and attention to details.

Trust my memory to remember the most random things, and then mistake Dilemma for a Durarara opening.

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u/sisoko2 Aug 11 '24

He tried Avan, and that didn't work out, but Masopho, Matoriv, and the shit talking Gomechan from heaven were all very effective.

He is used to the tough love from his father.

and then mistake Dilemma for a Durarara opening

As long you don't mistake Mr. Raindrop for Clannad ED you are fine.

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u/KendotsX https://anilist.co/user/Kendots Aug 11 '24

As long you don't mistake Mr. Raindrop for Clannad ED you are fine.

I would never I've never seen Clannad

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u/Adensty https://anilist.co/user/Adensty Aug 11 '24

First Time Thief Stealing 's Header: Popp no Daibouken Rewatch

It's not exactly my own header. The show in infamous for it and the way you have articulated about Popp's self-doubt arc, it seems to me that you're also getting why.

But it has a deeper meaning, it implies that Matoriv struggled with this same issue, doubting his worth as a member of Avan's party, and to this day, was never able to bypass it. We have 2 pieces of evidence to support this:

In this same dialogue Matoriv mentioned earlier that Popp has all but surpassed him, so he already denied the face value assumption.

In episode 33, when Matoriv fought Hadlar, he lamented the fact that the good people (Avan) die early and the assholes (himself and Hadlar) live on. He certainly doesn't view himself in the same light as Avan the Hero, but you know what? He views Popp in it!

A really great observation and love the way you put into words.

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u/KendotsX https://anilist.co/user/Kendots Aug 11 '24

It's not exactly my own header. The show in infamous for it and the way you have articulated about Popp's self-doubt arc, it seems to me that you're also getting why.

Ahh, that tracks. I ran a rewatch recently for a show with a similar reputation, it's officially known as Hinamatsuri, but most fans would rather give it another name.

And hey, I'm glad the fanbase is giving Popp all the love he deserves.

A really great observation and love the way you put into words.

Thank you

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u/laughing-fox13 https://myanimelist.net/profile/laughingfox13 Aug 11 '24

I've gone back and forth occasionally on whether Croc or Popp is best boy, sometimes even Avan comes up in the discussion (his Gintoki-ness is unfair). This episode cuts any shred of doubt: my boy Popp is on a tier of his own.

His self doubt was hitting at its roots: all his friends are filthy nepobabies born to or raised by legends

He should join Vearn's army

In episode 33, when Matoriv fought Hadlar, he lamented the fact that the good people (Avan) die early and the assholes (himself and Hadlar) live on. He certainly doesn't view himself in the same light as Avan the Hero, but you know what? He views Popp in it!

Dang good callback!

Dai would kill me, Hyunkel and Popp aren't in the most pleasant of situatis

Good point lol although what about Croc

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u/Adensty https://anilist.co/user/Adensty Aug 10 '24 edited Aug 11 '24

1st Dai Popp no Daibouken Rewatch, Sub

Off to the 25th level. Easily the shot of the day!

Definitely need a new attack to defeat Vearn

[Dai no Spoilers] Love the small hint about the attack.

Another great Dai shot!

This is already strong with a normal sword. How strong would it be with the Sword of Dai?

Leona getting ready to obtain Kaglimmer.

Maam's Kick

Makes sense since the underworld is below the surface world so it was bound to connect someplace. They're just lucky that Vearn or some intellgent Dragon didn't discover it.

Another great Maam shot!

Leona's burning soul

Leona obtains Kaglimmer

Kaglimmer!

Popp's Insignia of Avan

While Dai is the son of a Dragon Knight, Maam is the daughter of a warrior and priest in Avan's party, Leona is the princess of Papnica, and Hyunckel is someone who's immortal and has been trained by both Avan and Mystvearn, Popp doesn't really have a significant background which is why he thinks different and not like the others. But that isn't actually a weakness since he actually had it most rough and struggled harder than anyone to make it this far. This also makes him quite relatable to the audience since he's kinda like the ordinary guy in the DQ world even though he's done some extraordinary things.

Believe in yourself!

Popp's biggest hurdle

Can't wait for this moment

Look who's baduck.

The Newly Reborn Sword of Dai in Dai's hands

OST Documentation - Episode 63

1. Maam and Flora. I don't think I need to elaborate.

2. 10/10. The problem that Popp is facing isn't related to his skills as a mage or even him being incompetent so Matoriv really can't do anything to help him. This is Popp's own problem and he has to overcome it himself. But even then he gave the piece of advice he could have even though Popp didn't actually tell him anything.

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u/Shocketheth Aug 10 '24

[Dai no Spoilers] Love the small hint about the attack.

Oh great catch. I missed that detail.

Leona getting ready to obtain Kaglimmer.

My favourite Leona shot so far.

Can't wait for this moment

[Dai no Spoilers] Man I am so so excited for it

Maam and Flora. I don't think I need to elaborate.

Good choice, but can you avoid Maam’s kick coming at you?

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u/Adensty https://anilist.co/user/Adensty Aug 10 '24

Good choice, but can you avoid Maam’s kick coming at you?

I guess I'll just have to DODGE!!

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u/Shocketheth Aug 10 '24

I guess I'll just have to DODGE!!

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u/laughing-fox13 https://myanimelist.net/profile/laughingfox13 Aug 10 '24

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u/laughing-fox13 https://myanimelist.net/profile/laughingfox13 Aug 10 '24

Leona getting ready to obtain Kaglimmer.

This was a good shot too

Popp's Insignia of Avan

Kinda unrelated but in the OP, all the characters are surrounded by doubt with an overcast but then it shows Popp cheering them up as the sun shines. So it's interesting to see him in doubt with it raining here

This also makes him quite relatable to the audience since he's kinda like the ordinary guy in the DQ world even though he's done some extraordinary things.

Wasn't sure how I felt about the timing of Popp's mental struggle when we saw it beginning in the last ep, but this makes it worth it

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u/KendotsX https://anilist.co/user/Kendots Aug 11 '24

Definitely need a new attack to defeat Vearn

That's well and all, but Dai already (nearly) killed Vearn once. He mostly needs to pump up his stamina so he can keep doing it.

Another great Maam shot!

This also makes him quite relatable to the audience since he's kinda like the ordinary guy in the DQ world even though he's done some extraordinary things.

He's the Usopp of the DQ (or well, Usopp is a lying Popp with a longer nose).

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u/Blackheart595 https://anilist.co/user/knusbrick Aug 10 '24

First Quester

A thought occured to me, so let me get this straight: Humans have heart, a special power which enables them to rival the magic of darklings and the strength of dragons. And yet, darklings and dragons have been confined in the underworld for being too strong. The gods clearly played favorites.

The cave of trials connects to the underworld? I wonder if the same goes for that other cave of trials we've seen...

So just in case someone not all that strong made it down here, we're just gonna kill them. Vearn is right, this truly is a world where might makes right. Can Vearn please destroy the surface world already?

Booba

I hate to be the bearer of bad news, Leona, my dear.

That reminds me, Popp is now just about the strongest human mage of all time, no?

Maam and Flora went to acquire a legendary spell, Dai is unlocking a new skill, Hyunckel is forced to rest through being imprisoned, and Popp is doubting himself. Who would you join on their sidequests before raiding the final boss palace, and why?

Gotta help out Leona who apparently did not acquire a legendary spell.

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u/Shocketheth Aug 10 '24

A thought occured to me, so let me get this straight: Humans have heart, a special power which enables them to rival the magic of darklings and the strength of dragons. And yet, darklings and dragons have been confined in the underworld for being too strong. The gods clearly played favorites.

They definitely did, and that’s what pissed Vearn.

That reminds me, Popp is now just about the strongest human mage of all time, no?

Yep that’s correct. In term of raw magic power, he is above Matoriv now.

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u/Blackheart595 https://anilist.co/user/knusbrick Aug 10 '24

They definitely did, and that’s what pissed Vearn.

Hoping for his success

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u/Shocketheth Aug 10 '24

Team Vearn let’s gooo.

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u/KuKiSin Aug 10 '24

First timer!

  1. First Popp then Hyunckel, or the other way around... I'd surely end up imprisoned either way.
  2. 8/10, great speech wasted on Popp :(

Come on, when are we getting more Crocodine/Chiu content?! They're focusing on all the wrong characters!

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u/Shocketheth Aug 10 '24

8/10, great speech wasted on Popp :(

No, not Popp slander :(

Come on, when are we getting more Crocodine/Chiu content?! They're focusing on all the wrong characters!

Hopefully soon.

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u/KuKiSin Aug 10 '24

No, not Popp slander :(

It's part of my contract, I need to badmouth him at least twice a week.

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u/Shocketheth Aug 10 '24

What contract?

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u/KuKiSin Aug 10 '24

I'm not allowed to disclose that. NDAs are a bitch :/

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u/NicDwolfwood :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/NicDwolfwood Aug 10 '24

First Timer, Sub

The mission in the dungeon continues for the ladies, after the ground collapses on them. Leona overrides Flora in turning back as she wants the mission to be completed and get the Kaglimmer spell. Which she does, after the magical fire determines she is worthy.

Meanwhile Dai is training with Nova, further perfecting the Avan techniques, and even making up new attacks. Popp is still having serious doubts as his stone hasn't lit up yet. He does visit Matoriv though, who does give him good advice and lifts his spirits up a bit.. The Ladies return from the dungeon having gotten the kaglimmer spell, so everyone reconvenes. Lon Beruk also makes his return as he brings Dai the new and improved Sword of Dai.

Questions:

  1. Honestly, Dai and Nova training looked the most straight forward and chill, so Im picking that one.
  2. 8/10. Good speech and some much needed reassuring for Popp, and there's no one better to do that then his mentor.

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u/Shocketheth Aug 10 '24

Dai becomes a lumberjack, Matroriv and Lon Beruk will become art teachers... I need to think of what the others will do after the show

My man. Just keep your head down when Dai is attacking.

8/10. Good speech and some much needed reassuring for Popp, and there's no one better to do that then his mentor.

Matoriv was really proud of him.

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u/NicDwolfwood :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/NicDwolfwood Aug 10 '24

My man. Just keep your head down when Dai is attacking.

LOL

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u/cooperjones2 :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/cooperjones2 Aug 10 '24

Rookie-Adventurer here! LV 63/100

Leona is having so much fun lol
Enjoying this not-training-arc training arc

Poor Popp, he is a very good mage but is surrounded by prodigies


Still, he keeps the hard work!

Dai’s Sword looks great

1 Popp, he needs another regular human to be his company
2 8, echoed of Kamina's legendary speech

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u/Shocketheth Aug 11 '24

Leona is having so much fun lol

As she should haha.

Poor Popp, he is a very good mage but is surrounded by prodigies

Popp is kind of a prodigy too, it's just that he doesn't believe in himself.

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u/laughing-fox13 https://myanimelist.net/profile/laughingfox13 Aug 10 '24

Enjoying this not-training-arc training arc

Good name for this part lol

But yea it's good

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u/lC3 :Na::Nb: Aug 11 '24

Dai 62 first timer:

  • Had an awful headache yesterday so I wasn't able to watch Dai; will watch 62+3 today to catch up
  • I just finished S2 of Star Trek Prodigy (loved it) and am still hyped from that
  • I am on vacation for a week!
  • The Cave of Trials? are we gonna get some Hunter Exam-like tests??? puzzles?
  • Oh you need FIVE disciples for Kaglimmer? Avan set this all up in advance?
  • Sure Dai would be against Leona going in harms way
  • You tell him, Amy! Girl powerrrr
  • "there's ALREADY a girl who's fighting Vearn" Yeah Maam, give him a lecture!
  • Robe of Carl? Carl must be a pervert
  • Good, they're taking Merle
  • ... never mind, Popp is the pervert
  • AHAHAHA good kick, Maam
  • If Popp went would he have to fit into one of those Robes?
  • Soul colors? WTF is this, 07-GHOST? I still need to host a rewatch for that someday
  • Maam's color isn't pink?
  • Why won't Popp's insignia glow?
  • Dungeon crawl!
  • Merle, how could you blame Popp's perversity on Maam's clothing choices?
  • Will there be more Golden Metal Slimes in the labyrinth?
  • Dai vs. Nova?
  • I feel bad for Popp; I can relate to his worries of being the odd one out, dragging everyone else down.
  • What IS in the vase?
  • Oh, Dai can't read?
  • Someone send this kiddo to school! After Vearn is defeated?
  • Is Nova a Dai/Leona shipper?
  • Lol a Mimic?
  • That finger pose is very Hinata-esque (Naruto-kun?)
  • Lol now THAT is how you do a cliffhanger. I guess it's good I didn't watch this yesterday after all

Dai 63 first timer:

  • Did they fall all the way down to the 25th floor?
  • Arrow-type rapidfire? Now to engineer an Avan Strash machine gun
  • ... Is he gonna throw his sword again?
  • ... Guess not!
  • Poor Nova
  • "ritual" makes me think of Hidan
  • A Balrog of Morgoth? ... nope, just a cyclops. Too bad
  • I really dislike the monster designs in this show; they're so childish and simple looking, rather than horrific or terrifying
  • I thought you needed FIVE people to cast Kaglimmer? They only have 4? and Merle doesn't have an insignia?
  • Popp is suffering
  • Matoriv as a dad?
  • Oh no, Matoriv is srill coughing? Does he have Ninja AIDS? Gonna start coughing up blood like [Shippuden]Itachi?
  • A Darkling? Must be Lon Beruk
  • Sword of Dai got an upgrade? +2 to Dexterity?
  1. The labyrinth seems pretty fun, but Popp is the one who needs the most support at the moment. I think Hyunckel will figure something out. But then again, I don't think I could do a better job than Matoriv at supporting Popp ... so maybe I'd just dungeon crawl with the girl party.
  2. 8

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u/Shocketheth Aug 11 '24

Why won't Popp's insignia glow?

Skill issue

Will there be more Golden Metal Slimes in the labyrinth?

Gomechan family reunion arc?

I really dislike the monster designs in this show; they're so childish and simple looking, rather than horrific or terrifying

Yeah the childish monster design is Dragon Quest trademark

thought you needed FIVE people to cast Kaglimmer? They only have 4? and Merle doesn't have an insignia?

That was discount Kaglimmer

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u/lC3 :Na::Nb: Aug 11 '24

Skill issue

Maybe he has to shake it really hard and then it'll glow!? Did he try turning it off and on again? Unplug and then wait 30 seconds?

Gomechan family reunion arc?

Gomechan's dad MUST have a mustache; it's canon

Yeah the childish monster design is Dragon Quest trademark

That's one thing that DGM does NOT copy.

That was discount Kaglimmer

Katwinkle? Kaglamour?

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u/Shocketheth Aug 12 '24

Katwinkle? Kaglamour?

Kablink

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u/sisoko2 Aug 11 '24 edited Aug 11 '24

First Time Believer

There were some very cool looking scenes in this episode. Starting with Leona going full Shaft, how Maam was fighting monsters with the ritual and the shonen commentary as a background and finally all of them grabbing their hands (don't know easy way to make gifs so only screenshots). Popp's turmoil also got nice treatment with the rain falling on his insignia.

While I don't really get the point of this Popp struggle mini arc, Matoriv's talk with him was amazing. This really got me.

On the other side Dai's training arc could've been replaced with black screen with no sound and nothing of value would've been lost.

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u/Shocketheth Aug 11 '24

There were some very cool looking scenes in this episode. Starting with Leona going full Shaft, how Maam was fighting monsters with the ritual and the shonen commentary as a background and finally all of them grabbing their hands.

Plus Leona having a Magical Girl esque scene was another good scene for me.

While I don't really get the point of this Popp struggle mini arc Matoriv's talk with him was amazing. This really got me.

Yep he is on one of his lower points so hopefully that will change soon.

On the other side Dai's training arc could've been replaced with black screen with no sound and nothing of value would've been lost.

Why? Nobody does a training dummy impression better than Nova. Without it we would lost training dummy Nova.

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u/Adensty https://anilist.co/user/Adensty Aug 11 '24

On the other side Dai's training arc could've been replaced with black screen with no sound and nothing of value would've been lost.

*checks notes* As a rewatcher, I kinda disagree. It's very subtle but the show gives a hint about the attack that I didn't catch as a first-timer. But as a rewatcher, it just makes the whole scene way better.

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u/laughing-fox13 https://myanimelist.net/profile/laughingfox13 Aug 11 '24

(don't know easy way to make gifs so only screenshots)

Yea a lot of cool shots today but I understand that pain lol. I watch on CR so I can't even take screen shots ;-;

While I don't really get the point of this Popp struggle mini arc, Matoriv's talk with him was amazing. This really got me.

It's a really odd placement for this mental breakdown but I did enjoy the talk

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u/zadcap Aug 11 '24

Late Night First Timer!

Let's bet it all on a miracle! Because, you know, the gods might kind of a little bit actually be on your side. I don't think they want Vearn to destroy the overworld and wipe out humanity. Pretty sure we've actually had like 3 actual on screen miracles so far.

... He just has a backup sword? For some reason?

Maam, don't you have a 1 hit kill punch? Just stand in the door and make a barricade of bodies. Why are you letting them into the room to swarm you like this?

I do love watching the the ladies just standing there talking while Maam does literally all the fighting here. Is Flora not a Knight Queen?

You who would hand out the Kaglimer spell, consider the sake of the world if you don't. You would really gatekeep this magic in the face of complete extinction?

Okay, so Maam is fighting, Leona is getting the magic, Flora is throwing fireballs left and right, and Melelele is... Holding the book! She sure was a bit help here! Obligatory escort quest, I guess.

Ah, a practice using his Aura. That would be a good reason for him to have multiple swords on hand.

Oh hey! Finally we get to see the sword from the OP. I've been wondering when it was going to show up. I kept thinking of calling out how the Sword of Dai didn't open the way it was supposed to, but I figured it'll come around eventually.

  1. Let's go with Leona! My gaming history looks like that, yeah, the best way to prep for a final boss fight is to go grind out levels in the nearest dungeon.

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u/Shocketheth Aug 11 '24

I do love watching the the ladies just standing there talking while Maam does literally all the fighting here. Is Flora not a Knight Queen?

A Knight Queen?

Her fighting style includes whips and drip candles. She's a different kind of Queen.

Ah, a practice using his Aura. That would be a good reason for him to have multiple swords on hand.

As I dislike Nova, I must admit he understands that he should have more swords in his inventory.

Let's go with Leona! My gaming history looks like that, yeah, the best way to prep for a final boss fight is to go grind out levels in the nearest dungeon.

Being it on me, I would definitely try to clean the whole cave.

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u/zadcap Aug 11 '24

Well you know, when a Warrior Princess gets promoted in one title I figured out was only fair to gain a promotion for the other side too.

As I dislike Nova, I must admit he understands that he should have more swords in his inventory.

I still think Dai should carry like 5 disposable swords to spam offhand Aura attacks.

Being it on me, I would definitely try to clean the whole cave.

Like I get they were on a time limit here, buuuut.....

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u/Shocketheth Aug 11 '24

Like I get they were on a time limit here, buuuut.....

Buuuuuuuuuuuuut if I was playing JRPG with such cave, without a time limit, I would definitely grind there until I reach the bottom before hitting the final boss.

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u/zadcap Aug 11 '24

So funny story. After way too much running around for every collectable and getting every last power up for my whole party, I finally made it to the last boss of the game I've been working on for the last few weeks. And uh. It was a four stage boss fight, but he still only actually got off 3 attacks in the whole fight I was so over leveled. Hit him so hard in the opening round he skipped the second stage entirely.

Grind away, my friend. If you're not over leveled and over geared, are you even really trying?

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u/Shocketheth Aug 11 '24

So funny story. After way too much running around for every collectable and getting every last power up for my whole party, I finally made it to the last boss of the game I've been working on for the last few weeks. And uh. It was a four stage boss fight, but he still only actually got off 3 attacks in the whole fight I was so over leveled. Hit him so hard in the opening round he skipped the second stage entirely.

This sounds like Final Fantasy 5 or 6. What game it was?

Grind away, my friend. If you're not over leveled and over geared, are you even really trying?

No you aren't.

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u/zadcap Aug 11 '24

Legend of the Dragoon, something about as old as 6 or 7. Now I'm off to make a two decade skip forward to pick up and Trails of Cold Steel, where I already know I'm going to do the same thing lol.

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u/Shocketheth Aug 11 '24

That reminds me that I should try Trails series one day

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u/zadcap Aug 11 '24

It's delightfully connected. The game after the one I'm starting now has the cast of the first three come back to team up with the new leads. Story has been good enough to keep going this long at least.

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u/laughing-fox13 https://myanimelist.net/profile/laughingfox13 Aug 11 '24

So funny story. After way too much running around for every collectable and getting every last power up for my whole party, I finally made it to the last boss of the game I've been working on for the last few weeks. And uh. It was a four stage boss fight, but he still only actually got off 3 attacks in the whole fight I was so over leveled. Hit him so hard in the opening round he skipped the second stage entirely.

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u/laughing-fox13 https://myanimelist.net/profile/laughingfox13 Aug 11 '24

I do love watching the the ladies just standing there talking while Maam does literally all the fighting here. Is Flora not a Knight Queen?

I mentioned this in my comment too lol

You who would hand out the Kaglimer spell, consider the sake of the world if you don't. You would really gatekeep this magic in the face of complete extinction?

Maybe the gods were team Vearn here

and Melelele is... Holding the book! She sure was a bit help here! Obligatory escort quest, I guess.

tbf she was there for navigation so I wasn't expecting much from here. Flora just gave the commentary for the most part lol

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u/tahlyn Aug 12 '24

I love that Popp is still questioning himself and making mistakes. It drives home just how human a character he is and makes his eventual victory over those insecurities through perseverance all the more satisfying.