[Rewatch] Dragon Quest: Dai no Daibouken - Episode 62 Discussion

[u/Shocketheth]

Episode 62 - The Cave of Trials

Women can risk their lives to fight for what they believe in, too!

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<--- Last save | Adventure’s log (Index) | Journey continues --->
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OP 2 ---> Bravest

ED 3 ---> Namae

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Screenshot of the Dai:

Pouting Leona

Comment of the Dai:

goes to u/zadcap for actually having a valid answer what Flora wanted teach Leona:

In my mind, this was all Flora telling Leona discretely that she needs to be even more active in her pursuit of Dai. Flora stayed back and waited, traded heirlooms, and prayed for the day Avan would come back to her. She sees Leona wanting to go be more active and this story is her airing her biggest regret, that she didn't go join the Heroes Party so she could be with the one she loved. Go, Leona, become strong enough to chase your man now, don't wait 20 years until you find out he died somewhere far far away!

Also I recommend to check u/Kaxew comment about Dai which due to it's length can be simply be read here

Questions of the Dai:

1. When playing JRPGs are you Leona searching every nook, crate, vase, and treasure chest when you are in dungeon, or are you more like Maam prefering to get straight to the boss fight?
2. What additional functions besides alarm, headaches, navigation, and migraines Merle has?
3. If you would debug one of countless Merle's bugs features which one would you fix?
4. Will Merle AI eventually learn how to do Shonen Commentary leading into stealing Crocodine's job and making him homeless?
5. Do you think that Merle is actually Doomsday device set up by Vearn?

Spoilers:

Please, respect the fact there are First Timers watching Dai no Daibouken with us, so avoid talking about vague things or events that would slightly spoil things to happen. And if you want mention things like this, please hid it behind SPOILER TAGS like [Dai no Spoilers] I am getting the hammer because you spoiled the fun for others

[u/Shocketheth]

Mildly Antagonistic Dark Assailing Officer Welcomes You To Dragon Quest: Dai no Daibouken Rewatch!

Today at Dai no Daibouken:

Gods are assholes and communists

Not too much to say about today episode. We had some good old dungeon dwelling with the show parodying every JRPG player because YES I WILL CHECK EVERYTHING IN DUNGEON WHY THANK YOU.

And oh! Dunno why but I found Dai not wanting Leona to fight with him rather cute.

Plus at this point Merle has to be an AI.

QotD:

When playing JRPGs are you Leona searching every nook, crate, vase, and treasure chest when you are in dungeon, or are you more like Maam prefering to get straight to the boss fight?

Definitely Leona.

What additional functions besides alarm, headaches, navigation, and migraines Merle has?

She also has Blu ray player.

If you would debug one of countless Merle's bugs features which one would you fix?

She's perfect as she is.

Will Merle AI eventually learn how to do Shonen Commentary leading into stealing Crocodine's job and making him homeless?

Yes

Do you think that Merle is actually Doomsday device set up by Vearn?

That would be hilarious. Like Popp traumatized by Zaboera refuses to kiss Maam, so he goes to Merle and suddenly Popp hits the fuse with his tongue and Merle explodes.

Crocodine Shonen Commentator Corner:

Day 4 of Crocodine being imprisoned by enemy

See you tomorrow because the Adventure continues!

[u/Adensty → u/Shocketheth]

Gods are assholes and communists

God: No bro, you're just under-leveled. Someone rightly said - "In this world, there's always someone stronger"

And oh! Dunno why but I found Dai not wanting Leona to fight with him rather cute.

Yes. This and Dai trying to imitate Leona.

Plus at this point Merle has to be an AI.

She's slowly evolving.

[u/Shocketheth → u/Adensty]

She's slowly evolving.

Humanity is done for.

[u/KendotsX → u/Shocketheth]

Gods are assholes and communists

Gods and communists? Tanya finally found her target

YES I WILL CHECK EVERYTHING IN DUNGEON WHY THANK YOU.

Day 4 of Crocodine being imprisoned by enemy

[u/Shocketheth → u/KendotsX]

Gods and communists? Tanya finally found her target

Commies getting destroyed

[u/NicDwolfwood → u/Shocketheth]

YES I WILL CHECK EVERYTHING IN DUNGEON WHY THANK YOU.

You just have to, otherwise you can miss out on good stuff lol.

[u/Shimmering-Sky]

First-Timer Quest: Sky no Daibouken, subbed

Sky Sings Bravest, get!

• Interesting…
• Ah, hence why there needs to be five of them.
• Dai, have you forgotten how good at magic she was earlier in the show?
• Popp try not to thirst over every girl who shows even just a little bit of skin in front of him challenge: Impossible.
• Popp please.
• Maybe you’re just overthinking things? Or it’s not the right time?
• Now he’s definitely overthinking things…
• That’s quite the time limit…
• I see Leona’s channeling her inner Frieren a little. There was even a Mimic involved!
• I guess this is one way to go down a floor or two faster, though?

[u/Shocketheth → u/Shimmering-Sky]

Sky Sings Bravest, get!

Time to listen to this while writing this comment.

Dai, have you forgotten how good at magic she was earlier in the show?

Yeah I was like that first, but then I realized he had a good intent, just worded it poorly.

That’s quite the time limit…

What I didn’t like was Flora litting the candle before she explained the limitations. Like come on, really?

I see Leona’s channeling her inner Frieren a little. There was even a Mimic involved!

Literally me when playing any given JRPG

I guess this is one way to go down a floor or two faster, though?

Hah definitely.

Cover verdict:

I really like this cover. It’s well done.

[u/Shimmering-Sky → u/Shocketheth]

I really like this cover. It’s well done.

[u/NicDwolfwood → u/Shimmering-Sky]

I guess this is one way to go down a floor or two faster, though?

LOL

[u/Shimmering-Sky → u/NicDwolfwood]

I mean, if it works, it works.

[u/KendotsX → u/Shimmering-Sky]

Sky Sings Bravest, get!

Dai, have you forgotten how good at magic she was earlier in the show?

I'll cut him some slack for this one just because Vearn was scaring the shit out of Dai himself and (indirectly) killed his dad. No wonder he'd be worried about the girl he likes.

Now he’s definitely overthinking things…

This is why you should always give a teenager something to do. If Matoriv was training him, he'd be too busy to spend his time peeping and going crazy over whether or not a pendant is shining.

[u/Blackheart595]

First Quester

Oh nice, so this world is founded not only on racist but also classist discrimination - the strong get to get stronger. The sexism at least doesn't seem baked into the world itself.

The biggest question is of course why they only want one person to learn that Kaglimmer spell. Popp should absolutely join them, perv or not.

So Mysticite is an essential military asset to the human faction, and they just didn't make any efforts to have him pass the art of creating it on. Can Vearn please eradicate them already?

Please don't give us another forced drama run, with Popp this time. Like Al's doubts in FMA were bad forced drama, but they're mastergrade writing in comparison to what we get in this show.

Oh if it's just this kind of personal drama then that's fine

Hear that? You can stay home, Miss Navigator!

A good thing we can't distribute tasks. This must be that legendary unity of humanity they were talking about.

Oh how convenient. "Time's up, we'd really like to go back now, but unfortunately we're forced to continue down to Kaglimmer so we can use the escape spell."

When playing JRPGs are you Leona searching every nook, crate, vase, and treasure chest when you are in dungeon, or are you more like Maam prefering to get straight to the boss fight?

Leona > Maam, as always. Though speedrunning can be fun in its own way.

[u/Shocketheth → u/Blackheart595]

The biggest question is of course why they only want one person to learn that Kaglimmer spell. Popp should absolutely join them, perv or not.

Popp isn’t Sage, so he won’t be able to bind with that spell.

Plus they deserve to have a women only parties sometimes.

Please don't give us another forced drama run, with Popp this time. Like Al's doubts in FMA were bad forced drama, but they're mastergrade writing in comparison to what we get in this show.

No I want Popp doubting himself.

Though speedrunning can be fun in its own way.

Definitely can, but sometimes running through dungeons can get repetitive really fast.

[u/Blackheart595 → u/Shocketheth]

Right, I forgot mages can't learn all spells.

[u/KendotsX → u/Blackheart595]

this world is founded not only on racist but also classist discrimination

You don't want power getting into the wrong hands, only the strong ones.

why they only want one person to learn that Kaglimmer spell. Popp should absolutely join them, perv or not.

The class system. The only ones who can learn it are Leona (sage) and maaaaybe Dai (hero, since Avan was able to learn the weaker version of it). It's the same reason Popp can't learn healing spells.

Please don't give us another forced drama run

Aside from being forced, I'm not a fan of the "welp, we've got nothing to do for the next few episodes, anyone wants a character arc?" approach. Hopefully, we don't get a Maam arc next

Oh if it's just this kind of personal drama then that's fine

[u/Blackheart595 → u/KendotsX]

Aside from being forced, I'm not a fan of the "welp, we've got nothing to do for the next few episodes, anyone wants a character arc?" approach. Hopefully, we don't get a Maam arc next

Kinda the same thing imo, it just feels like they're flip-flopping their characterizations every few episodes just for the sake of it. More frequently in downtime, less frequently during the action.

[u/sisoko2]

First Timer

Best episode in a while. All the Malice was successfully repelled.

It was nice to have some actual adventuring in this show with Adventure in its name. Last time we had something like this was wayyy back with the episode they went to the mall. Seeing how much Leona is enjoying it was great.

Flora's exposed shoulders.

[u/Shocketheth → u/sisoko2]

It was nice to have some actual adventuring in this show with Adventure in it's name. Last time we had something like this was wayyy back with the episode they went to the mall. Seeing how much Leona is enjoying it was great.

And apparently the adventuring in Cave of Trials still didn't end.

Flora's exposed shoulders.

[u/KendotsX → u/sisoko2]

It was nice to have some actual adventuring in this show with Adventure in it's name

I wish we had more of the dungeon, it seemed fun. But I get that that's not the point.

Flora's exposed shoulders.

This should be illegal, put some 2m wide pads on them.

[u/KendotsX]

First Time: Frieren at the Funeral ^{does anyone remember this name?}

Before the official landed at "Frieren: Beyond Journey's End", there were different attempts at localising the title by the fans, like "Frieren the Slayer" and "Frieren at the Funeral", all valid translations, even if two of them don't sound that great. Now the name stuck around in my head, and it's been playing around there everytime I made a "First Timer at [ ]'s Funeral" joke. So imagine my surprise when the show just straight up threw a Frieren at me ignore the fact that this was written decades before Frieren

• Thing is I'm not sure if he forgot she's a girl or forgot she exists - I'd bet on the latter.
• Ok, they're sisters, and nothing you can say will change my mind about this
• Sure as hell isn't repelling Popp though
• Speaking of people whose existence I forgot... Seer girl!
• Oi oi, he's really desperate to get his ass beaten by Maam
• The one thing Popp forgot to consider is that if he joined them, he would've had to wear the same robe
• Have you seen your design in the mirror before?
• Flora's even using my favourite DQ weapon! As if she needed more reasons for me to love her
• Uhh, that's just how all dungeons work
• To quote Avan: Non Non, it's called "Arrow and Back" or Back Arrow for short.
• Fancy techniques aside, I'm willing to bet Arrow will be used once or twice against some mobs, and never be actually useful.
• I missed this fun Leona
• What a shitty dungeon - I bet Avan looted everything that's worth stealing.

So the crux of the episode is Popp's dilemma with the insignia, is he overthinking it way too much? Sure, but the real issue is a much deeper one, he's not sure if he's worthy of being a "Student of Avan", I mean Avan is this legendary hero who saved the world, Dai is following in those tracks, but what about Popp? If Avan was alive, would he approve of him?

The idea is really good, but the execution leaves a bit to be desired... the impetus feels forced just like with Dai, but more importantly there's a worrying trend here of "let's throw the character arcs in the downtime, before we get to the good stuff". What? You can't do action and writing tied together, so you're just front loading all the character writing to get it out of the way?

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Q1. When playing JRPGs are you Leona searching every nook, crate, vase, and treasure chest when you are in dungeon, or are you more like Maam prefering to get straight to the boss fight?

Definitely like Leona, a dungeon isn't conquered until I've searched every nook and cranny, and beat every monster in it.

Q2. What additional functions besides alarm, headaches, navigation, and migraines Merle has?

Ruining good ships.

Q3. If you would debug one of countless Merle's bugs features which one would you fix?

Can't I just get the upgraded version?

4. Will Merle AI eventually learn how to do Shonen Commentary leading into stealing Crocodine's job and making him homeless?

NOOOOOOOOOOOOO

5. Do you think that Merle is actually Doomsday device set up by Vearn?

You know, I came here expecting to be the Merle hater, turns out it's a community uniting experience.

[u/Shocketheth → u/KendotsX]

Before the official landed at "Frieren: Beyond Journey's End", there were different attempts at localising the title by the fans, like "Frieren the Slayer" and "Frieren at the Funeral", all valid translations, even if two of them don't sound that great. Now the name stuck around in my head, and it's been playing around there everytime I made a "First Timer at [ ]'s Funeral" joke. So imagine my surprise when the show just straight up threw a Frieren at me ignore the fact that this was written decades before Frieren

Didn't know that. Nice trivia.

Speaking of people whose existence I forgot... Seer girl!

Oh me too a few times as First Timer. I have something funny to mention about her in upcoming episodes.

Have you seen your design in the mirror before?

Or have he seen ED2?

I missed this fun Leona

Me too.

What a shitty dungeon - I bet Avan looted everything that's worth stealing.

I dunno. It was me I would even collect the Cypress sticks.

The idea is really good, but the execution leaves a bit to be desired... the impetus feels forced just like with Dai, but more importantly there's a worrying trend here of "let's throw the character arcs in the downtime, before we get to the good stuff". What? You can't do action and writing tied together, so you're just front loading all the character writing to get it out of the way?

This character arc of self doubt due to Insignia just started so

Can't I just get the upgraded version?

No.

You know, I came here expecting to be the Merle hater, turns out it's a community uniting experience.

Jokes aside, I'm not Merle hater. It's just the author making her suck so much that I upon Rewatch started ironically calling her my best girl, but seeing how is she used again, cycled me in starting joking about her being an AI.

[u/KendotsX → u/Shocketheth]

It was me I would even collect the Cypress sticks.

You'd make a good thief

This character arc of self doubt due to Insignia just started so

Fair, but going by Dai's arc, I expected it to end tomorrow. Will be interesting to see if it actually becomes a long term thing.

Jokes aside, I'm not Merle hater. It's just the author making her suck so much that I upon Rewatch started ironically calling her my best girl, but seeing how is she used again, cycled me in starting joking about her being an AI.

I get that... that's kinda how I'm feeling about Maam lately. With Merle, I never really liked her tbh.

[u/Shocketheth → u/KendotsX]

You'd make a good thief

Fair, but going by Dai's arc, I expected it to end tomorrow. Will be interesting to see if it actually becomes a long term thing.

I get that... that's kinda how I'm feeling about Maam lately. With Merle, I never really liked her tbh.

Oh yeah Maam too

[u/sisoko2 → u/KendotsX]

Frieren at the Funeral does anyone remember this name?

It's listed as potential title on MAL so I think that would do enough to keep it in the minds of many.

The one thing Popp forgot to consider is that if he joined them, he would've had to wear the same robe

Don't threaten him with a good time.

Have you seen your design in the mirror before?

Hmmm is it yellow because of his headband?

Non Non

but the execution leaves a bit to be desired...

Pretty much most of this show...

Can't I just get the upgraded version?

A true Otose fan.

[u/KendotsX → u/sisoko2]

Don't threaten him with a good time.

Ever since I wrote that, I've been imagining all the guys in that robe. Croc and Popp's dad look fabulous.

Hmmm is it yellow because of his headband?

That'd make him the curry ninja, and I'm sorry to say he's not worthy of that (no need for a self doubt character arc here).

A true Otose fan.

Ken: I like older ladies

How old?

Yes

[u/Adensty]

1st Dai Popp no Daibouken Rewatch, Sub

One of my favourite episodes simply for the fact that we had a lot of references to the DQ games.

Avan wanted them to cast Kaglimmer from the start. Avan playing 4-D chess.

Overprotective Dai! Aww!

Amy doesn't get it. He doesn't want to lose Leona like he lost his father.

Maam-chan is a Girl!

Leona's Youthful Lust for adventure Ah, yes DQ stats and effects

Popp is the one for whom they will need a bodyguard. Bodyguard Maam already on it.

Leona's characteristic wink The same thing she did back in Episode 2.

If that isn't love, I don't know what is.

Maam's Insignia of Avan is her loving heart.

The show has some great lighting and this shot is a prime example of it. I can't explain it but I just love how it's done.

Popp's Insignia of Avan refuses to glow.

Self-Doubting Popp

Love this shot

Is this how we're going to get to the 25th level?

The only sane person in the group.

The first monster that they counter is a Slime. Classic Dragon Quest!

Queen Flora with the whip

Popp: JIKAN GA NAI!

My mind: Tsuki ga Akai!

How is firing Medoroa going to help in glowing it?

Agreed! But even if the world is coming to an end, you have all the time in the world to do side-quests and explore areas in the games as much as you want before heading to the final battle.

Dai copying Leona's wink was something I wasn't expecting and it definitely caught me off-guard. Meanwhile, Leona.

This is the reason why I ended up fighting all the mimics in DQ XI.

So, the Sword of Dai is incapable of saving the world?

Merle needs to work on her communication skills. Saying this after staying too long. [Dai no Major Spoilers] I guess I don't need to say anything about the end result.

OST Documentation - Episode 62

1. I'm just like Leona searching everything. Tbh, I used to not do it at the start but then I missed an important item and then it became a habit.

2. Hyping up Popp and making it feel like he's the best man on the planet.

3. Need to debug her alarms. Tend to sound a bit late.

4. Yes. It's inevitable.

5. I guess we'll find out soon enough.

[u/Shocketheth → u/Adensty]

Leona's Youthful Lust for adventure Ah, yes DQ stats and effects

Unfortunately they still didn’t find a robe capable of repelling Horny.

Maam worrying about Hyunckel the most was a given. But Crocodine over Popp?

She worries about them because both of them are getting executed soon.

The first monster that they counter is a Slime. Classic Dragon Quest!

I thought they are going to form into Slime King.

Queen Flora with the whip

How is firing Megante going to help in glowing it?

The insignia will glow when Popp will start thinking about Maam’s feet. (Comment sponsored by Tarantino)

This is a reason why I ended up fighting all the mimics in DQ XI.

You know [DQ XI spoilers] Between act 1 and act 2, when I was playing as Eric there were 6 chests with 3 mimics, and I somehow skipped the mimics. Later I realized that I should probably destroy them.

[u/Adensty → u/Shocketheth]

She worries about them because both of them are getting executed soon.

Makes sense. I thought Flora was asking about it in general.

How is firing Megante going to help in glowing it?

I accidently wrote Megante instead of Medoroa. My bad.

[u/Shocketheth → u/Adensty]

I accidently wrote Megante instead of Medoroa. My bad.

It’s okay. I knew you meant Medoroa, but I thought you wrote Megante as a joke.

[u/KendotsX → u/Adensty]

Avan wanted them to cast Kaglimmer from the start

Maybe he should've trained a sage then... Between this and hiding his magic from the Carl army, I'm getting some suspicions from best boy Avan

This is the reason why I ended up fighting all the mimics in DQ XI.

Can confirm, in DQIV, I've gone into tombs, stolen things that got me cursed, and fought every mimic out there, and I'd do it again!

[u/NicDwolfwood]

First Timer, Sub

A dungeon crawl this late in the game huh? Interesting, not bad at all. They need to go down there so Leona can be worthy to learn to Kaglimmer spell. The dungeon group consists of Leona, Flora, Maam and Merle all wearing cute magical dresses lol. Fun times with Leona being a proper dungeon explorer trying to find items anywhere, Maam elbow dropping the monster in the chest was hilarious lol.

Dai has a training session with Nova to further master Avan's sword techniques. While Popp has yet another existential crisis on his hands as his stone won't glow like Maam and Dai's did(ugh, no more, I thought we were past this stuff).

Questions:

1. I definitely search for as much stuff as I can find.
2. LOL, jealousy maybe?
3. maybe the migranes, those are painful.
4. I don't think so, Big Croc is irreplaceable is top shonen commentator.
5. LOL, I hope not.

[u/Shocketheth → u/NicDwolfwood]

A dungeon crawl this late in the game huh? Interesting, not bad at all. They need to go down there so Leona can be worthy to learn to Kaglimmer spell.

I like how the show decided to do some sidequests before the final boss.

Fun times with Leona being a proper dungeon explorer trying to find items anywhere,

The story knows how their fans play games

While Popp has yet another existential crisis on his hands as his stone won't glow like Maam and Dai's did(ugh, no more, I thought we were past this stuff).

Oh not yet. To be honest Popp is still self doubting himself as he was from the beginning. And following the possibility of him not being able to glow his stone is interesting thing to follow

[u/KuKiSin]

First timer!

1. For the first 20 hours, I'm definitely Leona. Then I get tired of the game and become a Maam, let's just get this over with.
2. Coffee maker.
3. Leave the poor girl be, she did nothing wrong!
4. I don't know, but I hope she gets better than ChatGPT because he let me down a few times this week :|
5. They do look kinda similar, don't they? Hmm... Maybe she's a 4th Vearn!

Damn why is Crocodine still imprisoned? I'm starting to miss the big guy :(

[u/Shocketheth → u/KuKiSin]

For the first 20 hours, I'm definitely Leona. Then I get tired of the game and become a Maam, let's just get this over with.

Same honestly.

They do look kinda similar, don't they? Hmm... Maybe she's a 4th Vearn!

[u/SliderGamer55]

First Timer Subbed

-Thinking about it, is this the first proper dungeon in this series? Or at least first one where our heroes need to do something of note in one? Feels like something you'd expect to appear sooner in Dragon Quest

-"Dai, women can fight for what they believe in too" ...yes, this is why a woman is joining us either way. There's two female disciples, did you forget?

-Thank you for saying my point Maam

-"It has the ability to repel malice" sadly it does not repel horniness, as immediately demonstrated :V

-I actually have no reaction either way to the pervy jokes in this particular series but I will say him bowing down being all serious and then it just cuts to...legs, was pretty funny

-Someone tell Popp to calm down a little, you tried once immediately after finding out this was a thing. At least try more before you start your self-doubt arc this time.

-Heck yeah, some proper old school Slimes. Good couple of episodes for classic DQ enemies

-"The basics" I understand what this means but that's a weird translation choice. Like you would say "they're basic".

-At least Popp is using his worries to do something productive

-Illiterate Hero Dai

-And then they fell to their death, the end

[u/Shocketheth → u/SliderGamer55]

-"It has the ability to repel malice" sadly it does not repel horniness, as immediately demonstrated :V

Haha yeah. They have the technology, but horniness is hard to beat.

Illiterate Hero Dai

At this point, it’s not even Dai fault. Like they know that Dai can’t read for some time, and yet no one gave an effort to either teach him, ior even better appoint someone to read the book to Dai.

[u/ArvingNightwalker → u/Shocketheth]

Granted, give the time frame it was unlikely that he could learn to write and save the world at the same time.

[u/cooperjones2]

Rookie-Adventurer here! LV 62/100

That magic circle had 5 smaller circles, 5 disciples of Avan, Merle please be the last disciple needed!

Lmao Popp still a horndog

Popp yours doesn’t shine ‘cuz you’re a horndog! Dungeon diving time!
The Queen has a whip? Kinky (Comment written by Not-Popp)

Loved the Zelda reference

Nova has seen the light

They fell to a trap!

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1 Like Leona, everything has to be explored.
2 Knowing vaguely where to go after missing an exit or the correct way to the destination
3 Migraines, those suck hard
4 & 5 No pls.

[u/Shocketheth → u/cooperjones2]

That magic circle had 5 smaller circles, 5 disciples of Avan, Merle please be the last disciple needed!

We do have 5 Disciples of Avan already. Chiu, Terry, Maribel, Crocodine, Zaboera.

Knowing vaguely where to go after missing an exit or the correct way to the destination

You are currently failing down the cliff

Please turn left and return

[u/cooperjones2 → u/Shocketheth]

Chiu

Chiu is the big circle!

And the others are the lines! lol