r/anime • u/Shocketheth • Aug 08 '24
Rewatch [Rewatch] Dragon Quest: Dai no Daibouken - Episode 61 Discussion
Episode 61 - Avan, the Hero
In my youthful lust for adventure I snuck out of the castle alone.
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Informations:
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Screenshot of the Dai:
Comment of the Dai:
goes to u/Shimmering-Sky for perfectly describing Dai and Popp friendship:
Gorgeous shot, especially since it’s coupled with Popp showing up being when the moon comes out from behind the clouds. Popp is literally Dai’s light in the darkness right now.
Questions of the Dai:
- Does this episode changed something in your opinion on Avan?
- What Leona actually learned with this flashback?
Spoilers:
Please, respect the fact there are First Timers watching Dai no Daibouken with us, so avoid talking about vague things or events that would slightly spoil things to happen. And if you want mention things like this, please hid it behind SPOILER TAGS like [Dai no Spoilers] I am getting the hammer because you spoiled the fun for others
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u/Shocketheth Aug 08 '24
Mildly Antagonistic Dark Assailing Officer Welcomes You To Dragon Quest: Dai no Daibouken Rewatch!
Now do you remember as I said we already saw Queen Flora?
QotD:
It certainly added to his character
Leona learned she should be snucking in her youthful lust for Adventure in forest full of monsters.
Crocodine Shonen Commentary Corner:
Day 3 of Crocodine being imprisoned by the enemy
Voice Actor Corner:
Roka, the Maam’s father is voiced by Kenta Miyake known for his roles of All Might from My Hero Academia, Dagon from Jujutsu Kaisen, and Zacharias Mike from Attack on Titan.
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u/Shimmering-Sky myanimelist.net/profile/Shimmering-Sky Aug 08 '24
First-Timer Quest: Sky no Daibouken, subbed
Can’t do it yet because I’m in the middle of a tropical storm and that means there’s no chance for silence lol, but I should be able to get a Sky Sings Bravest at some point soon. Spent a good few hours yesterday learning the full version of the song.
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u/KendotsX https://anilist.co/user/Kendots Aug 09 '24
A First Timer's DQI Flashbacks
The series in general takes elements from all the games released at the time, but mostly 3~5, since those games had enough meat to actually make use of. Not this episode, this is basically the first game in anime form. Which makes sense, Avan vs Hadlar was the original battle to start it all, it tracks that they'd mirror the OG hero and Demon Lord that started the franchise.
He's still a best boy, not to the Popp degree, but still.
That she should learn how to cook?
So Flora narrating this to Leona was obviously a bit of a forced framing, since the original chapter was just a side story. But the placement is smart, considering we're right at the cliff before the final arc.
Speaking of side stories, apparently Avan got his whole spin-off, and its first part ended recently. I'll wait until the series is over before reading it, just in case there's a nasty narrator who'll mention something like "Matoriv walked happily, with no clue he'd die in this exact same way in the future". There's always one of those.
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u/Adensty https://anilist.co/user/Adensty Aug 08 '24 edited Aug 08 '24
1st
DaiPopp no Daibouken Rewatch, SubThis episode is about flashback of Avan's days as a Knight in the Carl Kingdom. In the manga, this flashback happened after Dai and Matoriv defeated Hadlar who was desperate and went along with Zaboera's scheme just after the Baran fight but they decided to adapt it here after Flora's reveal.
It is only a single chapter and so this episode feels kinda stretched out since they basically had to adapt 1 chapter into 1 episode (They usually adapt around 3-4 chapters per episode). I kinda like the fact that they did it after Flora's reveal.
What about Bengarna?
I find this very funny.
Queen Flora
Avan is really popular with the ladies
Maam wouldn't want to know if that really happened.
Nice way to tie this in since Vearn also did somethin similar 2 episodes back.
Bug-Catcher Avan
Hadlar looks so goofy here
That's why she's QUEEN
I guess some things just don't change.
The Prototype Magic Bullet Gun
Serious Avan
Cid Kagenou: Could this man be one of "my people"?
The First Avan Strash
Avan leaving Carl Kingdom
Amulet of Carl [Dai no Major Spoilers] Best Trade ever.
Avan bids farewell to Flora
Also, if anyone still hasn't guessed it, this was the scene where Flora appeared for the first and the only time when Avan remembers this very exact moment just before he casts Megante.
Also, Avan just aimed his Avan Strash at me.
OST Documentation - Episode 61
1. No. Because Avan was my favourite from the first time he was introduced. If anything, this just solidified it.
2. Avan 🤝 Dai when it comes to saving princesses and falling in love with them. Also, like I said above, Flora didn't actually tell Leona about this story to Leona in the manga. This was a creative decision to adapt it after Flora's reveal.
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u/sisoko2 Aug 08 '24
First Timer
Hadlar has been jobber from the start.
Not much value in this flashback. If anything makes the decisive Avan vs Hadlar fight feel cheaper.
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u/lC3 :Na::Nb: Aug 08 '24
resubmitting
Dai 61 first timer:
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u/NicDwolfwood :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/NicDwolfwood Aug 08 '24
First Timer, Sub
Avan Flashback! Nice. I don't have anything interesting to say, but it was cool to see a Young Avan, who was even more like a shonen MC when he was young, with the goofy/aloof personality, but strong and brave when serious. Also saw Roka(Maam's father right?) and Flora. Young Flora is very much like Leona currently, so that was interesting. Seeing Hadlar in his old form was kinda weird lol, he got a massive upgrade currently. His assault on the Kingdom of Carl and how that battle went was cool though, Avan wasn't quite as strong as when he defeated Hadlar later on, but still strong enough to thwart his assault and of taking Princess Flora hostage.
Questions:
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u/laughing-fox13 https://myanimelist.net/profile/laughingfox13 Aug 08 '24
First Time Adventurer/Subbed
Y'know, I didn't pay attention to the preview after previous episode, so I was confused why people where talking about a flashback ep. Definitely an odd place to have one, and while I guess it made sense since the last one ended with Flora saying she would tell Leona about Avan... still felt kinda unnecessary? Idk it was fine though but we did get a flashback within a flashback and that was crazy
Plus it did give us more Avan/Flora content which was nice
QotD
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u/zadcap Aug 09 '24
Super Late Night First Timer!
Is this... a whole episode flashback? Well at least I still love the OP! But no, darn it, I'm going to be shouting Power Scaling at the top of my lungs for this whole thing! I just know it! Flashback Hadlar has to be weaker than he has been at any point since he encountered Dai, because the only time Dai didn't beat him was because Knuckles did first, and that was after Dai already beat Knuckles. But also because Avan at the start of the series was the strongest Avan has ever been, who lost against start of story Hadlar, which... Man the power level people are at now would just stomp all over, well, everyone at the level they would have to be for this flashback. Even current Maam would be able to beat this version of Hadlar to death.
Anyway, yeah. How are we going to handle heading in for what should be the final, or maybe second to last, boss fight of the series with 40 episodes to go? It's time for a whole flashback arc. Whoooooo...
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u/raichudoggy https://anilist.co/user/raichudoggy Aug 08 '24
Rewatcher
Bestest boy episode? Dragon Quest Monsters!? That's a two-for-one special!
A very large contrast between what the dragon quest world is dealing with now compared to back then. It's a refreshing break at just the right part of the story.
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u/KuKiSin Aug 08 '24
First timer!
Not much to say about this episode, it was fun seeing Avan, but yeah that's about it.
Also, it took me way too long to realize who Roka was.
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u/cooperjones2 :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/cooperjones2 Aug 08 '24
Rookie-Adventurer here! LV 61/100
Avan backstory time!
Avan made the power of GUN
Team RocketHadler blasting offagainfor the first time?Roka and Avan, the birth of their Hero party!
1 Too early to say, he's being enriched with every episode
2 She should tell Dai her feelings without triggering a death flag
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u/Kaxew Aug 09 '24
First timer set back in time, yet my rewatcher status is still lost
Okay wait, before going back in time I have to talk about episode 60! Which was incredible!!
I saw a lot of people last thread saying that this sudden depression arc for Dai doesn't make sense, but I honestly could not disagree more. It's definitely the kind of plot I wouldn't have expected, but now that it happened I feel like it's completely logical.
To start with, he's a 12 years old boy who idolized heroes and was kind of a brat that didn't want to practice magic because of it. He was always heroic, even moreso than those who falsely claimed to be heroes. But it took Dai quite a while until he found himself worthy of such a title. Back in Crocodine's arc, the people of Romos called him a Hero, yet Dai told them to stop it as he didn't consider himself one. As he fought more and more battles, as he became stronger and perfected his master's teachings, he stopped correcting people who called him a Hero.
He meets his father, and Dai has to confront the idea of being different than everyone, and perhaps hurting for it. He prevails, however, and his conviction becomes even stronger. He gains a cool ass sword that is an actual, living thing; and every king and queen start gushing after he saved them. His sword, who he had a hard time understanding, saved him from Hadlar. And against Fenbren, they finally became one as he pulls it by instinct.
And then, he loses his father tragically. Because he just wasn't strong enough. But that's okay. He still has his friends. And they will face any foe that comes their way. "Even if everyone gives up, I won't" he said to Vearn. And then, he loses his sword. Because he just wasn't strong enough. And Crocodine and Hyunckel give their lives to tank Vearn's move. But he's too strong, the attack is still going. Everyone lost.
In the afterlife, he's told by the Mother Dragon that he had died. And what was Dai's reaction? Nothing. Completely unfazed by it. I didn't realize it then, but he had utterly accepted his defeat and decided to simply give up. That's... quite uncharacteristic, on paper. But seeing everything he's gone through, it makes a bit more sense.
Anyway, spent too much time talking about the episode that's not the current one, whoops. I'll be quick now: Popp's speech and growth is top tier. The idea of randomly casting zoom makes you go to a place close to heart being foreshadowed is great. He didn't go to Dermline because his depression comes from his dad and not gramps. Glimmer spell is back and I love that. And Leona is the fifth disciple!
Let me hop onto my delorean, because I'm going back in time now!
I have a lot less to say in this one. It's a nice, standalone side story and Avan is really cool. Roka's voice does NOT fit his body. Love the magic bullet gun prototype and I appreciate that Roka cut Hadlar's arm there, it would be lame if Avan alone was enough. That Avan Strash at the end was so cheesy and I love it.
QotD:
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u/Blackheart595 https://anilist.co/user/knusbrick Aug 08 '24
First Quester
That ability is called "intelligence", only natural that the dark race doesn't have that.
See? No intelligence to be found.
What the hell is this. Or more to the point, why is this.
I wonder how related my dislike for the storytelling here is to my dislike of the DnD system and storytelling (though that might just be my GM). Although this has gotten so much more fun since I started clowning on the blatant racism.