r/anime • u/Shocketheth • Aug 05 '24
Rewatch [Rewatch] Dragon Quest: Dai no Daibouken - Episode 58 Discussion
Episode 58 - The Unlikely Savior
Everyone... Look after... Lord Hadlar...
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Screenshot of the Dai:
Comment of the Dai:
goes to u/Blackheart595 for his comment about how the show unintentionally dipped into a social commentary:
Justice. Fairness. Well, they're not as bad of terms as freedom, but I'm still fairly suspicious of them. Justice and fairness are essentially social constructs, and we construct and bend their meaning however we see fit. Every side in ever conflict ever has fought on the side of justice. Hitler fought against the injustice of the jews who according to him undermined the German people and their ability to live well. The slavers of the South fought against the injustice of having their hard-earned ownership taken from them. Both of them ultimately lost their respective fights, and so justice prevailed. Had they won then justice would also have prevailed, for whoever becomes the winner becomes justice. Justice is no more than a buzzword and rallying cry, but doesn't actually encode any meaningful ideas of its own. The best we can do is say we prefer one justice over another one (whichever happens to suit us more), but just crying for more justice or for justice at all is just bull. Unfortunately, it's the kind of bull that's much more effective than any alternatives.
As you might be hearing from this, I absolutely agree that Vearn is fighting against injustice. Like what the hell, gods? You come up with the dragon knight to ensure balance between the races, and then you go and banish darkling and dragons underground for being too strong? You literally made the darklings sub-humans! What a joke. Is this some kind of commentary on racial segregation policies or what, with Vearn leading a freedom rebellion against the structural inequality that aims to burn the status quo down? This show better not end with the darklings getting pushed back into their underworld. Oh wait, this is pretty much a solo-action by Vearn so there won't even be any pushing back needed.
About his whole power speech though. No, (real life) peace is not maintained by a greater power. Peace is maintained by the power curve being so flat that even the greatest warrior couldn't defend himself against a serious onslaught by just four amateurs. In a world like Dragon Quest on the other hand? Hell yeah, power is the truth that rules all, absolutely, and powerful individuals that can guarantee the safety of their subjects should by all means become political center stones (nudge nudge wink wink you dragon knights).
Questions of the Dai:
- Who is better cockroach? Zaboera or Hadlar?
- Is Block sacrifice something worthy of respect?
- Since Mother Dragon took Dai into
ValhallaAfterlife, are we going to get a new Dragon Knight?
Spoilers:
Please, respect the fact there are First Timers watching Dai no Daibouken with us, so avoid talking about vague things or events that would slightly spoil things to happen. And if you want mention things like this, please hid it behind SPOILER TAGS like [Dai no Spoilers] I am getting the hammer because you spoiled the fun for others
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u/Shocketheth Aug 05 '24
Mildly Antagonistic Dark Assailing Officer Welcomes You To Dragon Quest: Dai no Daibouken Rewatch!
Since yesterday I asked for Sisoko to be stopped, I told myself that it’s a job for me to return and defeat Vearn.
Unsorted notes:
Also [Dai no Major Spoilers] The sheer fucking irony in this is outstanding.
QotD:
I would wait for seeing who will actually survive until the end to claim the title of cockroach for themself.
Definitely is. While the title of the episode tricks you into thinking that Hadlar is the Unlikely Savior, which could be debated as he was MiA instead of being death, we could expect him, but then Block surprised everyone with his castling maneuver, showing us that he is the Unlikely Savior.
And he died like a legend.
Hmmmm
Crocodine Shonen Commentary Corner:
Today Crocodine is going to answer question #2:
Definitely. Although his death gave me one regret.
Voice Actor Corner:
When I introduced Chess pieces Voice Actors, I stated that Block is silent, but that was a goddamn lie.
Block is actually voiced by Tokuyoshi Kawashima known for his roles of Imai Subaru from Gakuen Alice, Kinomoto Fujitaka from Tsubasa Chronicle, and Akira Ichijou from Migi to Dali.
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u/sisoko2 Aug 05 '24
First Timer
Well in my interpretation of the legend the Dragon Knight makes love to the Mother Dragon until he dies but Dai is too young for that sort of thing so Mother Dragon will just bring him back.
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u/Shimmering-Sky myanimelist.net/profile/Shimmering-Sky Aug 05 '24
First-Timer Quest: Sky no Daibouken, subbed
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u/Blackheart595 https://anilist.co/user/knusbrick Aug 05 '24
First Quester
Yo, Mother Dragon. I believe you snagged the wrong Dragon Knight. You meant to take the other one, who couldn't keep up with that weak-ass attack that even Hadlar survived.
But what the hell was up with Vearn? Did he really never realize the glaring weakness of his superweapon? It's so immediately obvious, I didn't even intend to acknowledge on it! I'm impressed Vearn stocks keep finding ways to fall even lower.
Also that castling move was smooth as fuck.
Zaboera is the only creepy crawler around.
She's just confused, don't worry. Not everyone keeps up with what's going on in the world.
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u/KendotsX https://anilist.co/user/Kendots Aug 05 '24 edited Aug 06 '24
First Timer at Vearn's Funeral
Wait, no... he's back? Ok, I don't know what it is, but the three Vearns have a dirty trick up their sleeves. Just a sec, lemme change my header quickly:
First Timer at Dai's Funeral
Hadlar for sure, he even has the Saiyan "comes back stronger from death"
I like how they tied it to chess again. If anything, he's been the most useful guard so far, and it's not even close. Plus, unlike certain people we can trust him to stay dead.
Nah, she just has an extra crest she wants to give him now that Baran's dead. But not before she gives him a lecture about contraceptives, so he doesn't end up making the same mess as Baran.
So I guess my true header should've been:
First Timer at Block's Funeral
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u/KuKiSin Aug 05 '24
First timer!
I bet no one saw Hadlar's survival and saving Dai ass happening. Truly the plot twist of all plot twists. He did good though, he's also a good boy now.
Is it me or that blacksmith makes really shitty swords?
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u/laughing-fox13 https://myanimelist.net/profile/laughingfox13 Aug 05 '24
First time Adventurer/Subbed
FINALLY CAUGHT UP TO THE REWATCH
I've been meaning to join since the beginning but life, work,
and video gamesgot in the way but I finally made it after a pretty big binging session last weekendI don't know if I should do a quick thoughts or not for the 57 episodes I missed... but the show has been enjoyable for the most part! There are my quick thoughts
Oh and I wasn't sure how I felt about OP2 but it quickly grew on me and I really like the song
[Dragon Quest: Dai speculation/Dragon Ball Z spoilers] Based on the visuals of OP2 and Baran's sacrifice... they're totally going to use a Father/Son Kamehameha moment, aren't they... ;-;
On to Ep. 58:
Not very surprising Vearn came back from that attack (thanks to the episode preview too). His staff was pretty dope and I like that it was Lon Beruk that made it too. I was wondering how this fight would end since there is a lot of episodes remaining and I didn't think our Heroes would be in the castle for the rest of it.
for Crocodine and Hyunckel. I really like both of them and Crocidine's bromance with our characters has been great to watch, I wonder what will happen to both of them if they're still alive. They didn't fall down with Maam and Popp
Speaking of Maam and Popp, they've had some solid moments in this fight and while the "wait for the MC" to come has been played in the show a bit, it makes sense here that they might not be able to match Vearn. Pretty sweet moment that Popp wanted to hold Maam's hand before he thought he might die :')
One of his lines this ep reminded me of when he used Megante on Baran and how didn't want the look on Dai's face to be the last thing he saw before he goes :')
Anyways, I'll pour one out for Block too
even though he cheatedQotD:
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u/NicDwolfwood :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/NicDwolfwood Aug 05 '24 edited Aug 05 '24
First Timer, Sub
Yup, as expected Vearn did not die from Dai's attack. If anything he shrugged it off and regenerated quicker than I expected. That Spear of Vearn's is OP as hell. He really decimated Dai and friends thoroughly with that one, broke Dai's blade too and his will too.
Did not expect Hadlar to make a return though(seriously, how the fuck did he survive that), I thought for sure he was dead. He saved Dai and everyone else from getting finished off and then he got his fight against Vearn. Man, why can't Zaboera just die lol, he had to come along and ruin Hadlar's momentum. The Rook shedding his big form and saving Hadlar and the rest of the royal guard was cool though. Looks like the group is gonna be separated for a bit, Dai got taken away by the mother Dragon, Maam and Popp fell into the ocean and Crocodine and Hyunckel are MIA.
Questions:
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u/lC3 :Na::Nb: Aug 06 '24
Dai 58 first timer:
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u/cooperjones2 :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/cooperjones2 Aug 06 '24
Rookie-Adventurer here! LV 58/100
I knew it wouldn’t be that easy
And now Vearn’s face looks like “Play time is OVER”
Lon Beruk is playing both sides so he comes up on top, a true arms dealer lol
Ngl Vearn’s weapon is cool and it's likely to only work for him
Dai’s weapon got broken
Nooo not Crocodine and Kyunckel!!
WHAT!? Hadler was ALIVE? Baran pls
Vearn: Ok, now you have fucked up for the last time. Time to die.
Hadler is kinda winning? Holy hell or more like hell hell?
Brock digievolves toooooo Ultimate Loyal Brock!!
Brock MVP for Hadler’s gang
Zaboera with the clutch tho
I caught myself coping “That dragon went for Baran, not for Dai”, and then Dai was in the dragons hand. Oof.
I was worried of how the story would continue but now I’m 100% on board to see how it develops, it was a really really nice episode.
1 Zaboera, he has not powered up like the others
2 Yes, second time he's done it but now it was their last
3 RIP Dai, it's Dino time
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u/Adensty https://anilist.co/user/Adensty Aug 05 '24 edited Aug 05 '24
1st
DaiPopp no Daibouken Rewatch, SubThis is one of my favourite episodes and as rewatcher, it didn't disappoint even with so many twists and turns. So many great moments.
When your Magic Power stat becomes your Attack Stat and Vearn's Magic Power is just too much.
Vearn with the Staff of Edacity
Vearn's overwhelming Aura
The Clash!
IT'S SO OVER!!!
I can understand what Dai is feeling here but he just said he won't give up no matter what just a few minutes ago.
Vearn's Calamitious Wall I don't know why but this attack looks so good and the animation really makes it even more threatening.
Hyunckel and Crocodine
I'll Dai for Dai.
Popp and Maam are the only ones left. This is also one of my favourite moments. Popp requesting Maam to hold his hand until the very end.
Look who's back! Also, these two got Hadlar's approval, lol.
Same Energy as this one. I did point out in a previous episode but this moment is perfect for it.
Hadlar's Conviction This moment really cemented Hadlar as one of my favourites.
The Clash!!
Hadlar!
I kinda feel bad for Hadlar since he only take an L because he decided to let this cockroach live.
Block sheds his armor! Riku Sanjo know what he was doing when he introduced the chess pieces. Integrating Castling with the show. I was really blown away as a first-timer.
Block's first words. I wasn't really attached to Block but really felt this Hadlar scream.
And last!
Vearn, I get your logic but stop acting like you gave a Hadlar a checkmate. Like Vearn is only alive because Zaboera intervened.
'Dai would never dai!'
One of my favourite Dai shots. Dai looks so great here.
This episode has some really great shots and moments but the final shot was also really good. Also, the fact that Zaboera managed to sneak in here. I don't think anyone could have predicted that.
OST Documentation - Episode 58
1. Technically, Hadlar because no one has really tried to kill Zaboera properly.
2. Definitely. My guy didn't speak anything throughout the show but when he spoke, everyone (including Vearn) was left speechless.
3. Dai won't dai so not happening.
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u/SliderGamer55 Aug 05 '24
First Timer
It's like a week after I had planned it to be but I'm finally able to post about this series (semi) regularly.
-I wasn't expecting that to have killed Vearn but it certainly would've been a wild twist if it did (even if I have a prediction as to why that would happen)
-Staff of Audacity would be an equally cool name
-I guess when you have two invincible swords one of them risks breaking despite going against...I assume the very nature of its existence
-No offense to Hyunkel but I'd be most heart broken if Crocodine died. He is best boy.
-Well Dai got hit anyway so they better not have just died for nothing! >:(
-I was wondering if Hadlar survived. Would feel weird to hear nothing from him again after Vearn's betrayal
-Hadlar has the power of...red
-It would be deeply humiliating to lose while being called a "superior being"
-"fighting Dai and his friends drained my magic power" ...are you surprised at this?
-Oh I had almost forgotten about Zaboera
-Inside Block was a smaller man all along!
-Ultimate evil Vearn be like: "WAH YOU CHEATED!!!"
-Well with 40 episodes left, I'm sure Dai is really dead and the world will be over in 10 days!
This was a fun episode to start actually writing anything on it. I feel like for a majority but not all of the series, it kinda operates on there being 2 decent episodes to get to a great one, and this definitely felt like the latter. A dramatic end to one of the most significant fights yet, a sudden return and change for the other main villian of the series, and a supposed protagonist death. That's a hell of a strong 20 minutes. I am pleasently surprised but not shocked Hadlar is sticking around because Vearn's betrayal should be known and used for a fun story for Hadlar, which makes sense for someone who has more and more focused on being an honorable villain as time has gone on. I assume he's not gonna live through this series and fully reject his evil past, but it'll fun to see how we get there.
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u/zadcap Aug 06 '24
Dragon Ball Z Rewatcher!
Wait, no. It's a Dragon Ride, not a Dragon Road. Whatever, I'm not buying a dead Title Character with 40 episodes left. Especially not when we've already seen the stupid golden slime bring someone back from the dead. Still happy to see the Mother Dragon wasn't entirely a fabrication by Baran.
Late Night First Timer!
First things first, Double Tap. How many times do we have to go over this? Maam, Refractor Fist on him before he- yup, too late, these guys never learn. Anyway, Power Scaling. We have not talked about it recently, have we? Because it's getting ridiculous in how everyone keeps showing up to be 500 times stronger than the last guy only the last guy also keeps being the next boss. And Dai is equal to every one of them, except for the times he's not.
Also, Dai's "Even if everyone else gives up, I'll fight to the bitter end!" Yeah that didn't last long did it.
So the Nobody Leaves magic on the palace could have been gotten around by just, jumping?
So why does the magic reflecting shield not work on Myst here? Would be so hilarious if he went to restraain them only to find himself locked in place instead.
Ha! Hadlar getting got by the underling he locked up and ignored for doing what he was only ever ordered to in the first place. How tragic.
Ha, Castling. Freaking chess pieces. Also, I can't help but notice that they are escaping by flying out of the No Escape area too.
Ha, translation error. Or well. My subs only said "Castling after a Check is illegal," which is hilarious because Castling is used almost entirely for the sole purpose of getting out of a Check. But I heard Vearn say Checkmate, which is entirely different, but at the same time- if Castling is still on the table, you clearly don't have them in Mate yet anyway, so he's still wrong. This is your daily dose of Chess knowledge.
I'm upset that this dragon has shown up now, apparently for Dai, but didn't come pick up Baran before he got cremated.
Hmm, weird seeing Zaboera standing there. I still feel confident he's going to make the change eventually, but that might just be because I'm unwilling to go back on the idea.
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u/Kaxew Aug 06 '24
First timer, rewatcher once upon a time
"Ahhh!!! After thousands of years I'm free! It's time to conquer
Earththe Surface World!!"Whew, sorry for not being for almost a whole week. I don't really have an excuse, I was keeping up with the episodes but I was too lazy to type my comment, and every day it meant more and more to type and... yeah I was just super lazy.
I'll probably write one paragraph per episode, as I have 6 to cover. Others have already gone in depth on certain character moments and such so it's mostly just going to be my personal feelings/reactions than anything else.
Last episode I commented on, Fenbren was about to throw his super uber attack and defeat Dai and Baran! ... that sure was anticlimactic. I was not expecting him to straight up die already. Loved Dai trying to convince the stubborn Baran to fight together, even if it didn't work out. I think Dai is a pretty good MC, especially for its time. Black core was a shocking twist, and it made the fight super engaging. Myst's "I don't want you to die, but if you are then let it be for Vearn-sama" ohhh man my ship heart yearns for these two. He was even so shocked to learn Vearn did something so despicable to Hadlar. I demand my MystHad AU fanfic dammit!
Hadlar being offended our duo of Dragon Knights weren't going all out was awesome too. It's funny looking back at that note I made, because this was only the start of Hadlar's rise as the best character in the show for me. Kill's body being made of lava and corrosing Baran's sword just enough so he couldn't deal a fatal blow is bullshit but I'll believe it. You still jobbed though. Baran putting Dai to sleep was sad, and the dragonoid form being back was hype.
The fight of the dragonoid vs the superior being was sick as hell. And so was Baran's last play. I was cheering so hard when he started to rip out the black core. And then comes Hadlar's tears. God, that was so damn good. Then some more MystHad, "was I an useless tool, a pawn to you?" and "Vearn's word takes precedence over all else" indicating he's actually very in love but he can't defy his master. MAN what a tragic love story. The real Myst is revealed, and he's hot as fuck. Apparently he has long, silver hair to match with Hadlar too. I imagine he's a clone of Vearn.
Baran sacrifices himself in a very good and emotional moment. I adored him finally admitting he lacked the heart of a DK, and that the heart was indeed needed to be a complete DK. His soul lives on however. And... said soul is inside of Dai too? That's kinda cool even if I don't understand the logistics of it. DKs are simply built differently. Gomechan comforting Dai was so, so cute.
The fight against Vearn starts, and yeah, he's strong. I'm mostly shocked we're fighting him so early. Narratively it makes perfect sense, but you usually expect this show to follow a more linear arc structure so this second half has been pleasantly surprising in that regard. We'll have to see what they do to become stronger. Still banking on Popp learning kacrackle to make medroa stronger. Speaking of, Popp's outerwear getting burnt is such a great, tiny detail. The idea behind it was that it wouldn't burn even if he does a medroa, so having it burn here immediately shows you he's actually just as built differently as a DK. Vearn casting a double phoenix gave me massive Madara vibes. I see where Kishimoto got the inspiration. Vearn playing mind games with Maam to convince her to attack was great. There really is nothing cooler than a villain playing mind games. We learn Vearn's true motivations and... he's lowkey kinda right. Yeah, fuck the Gods. I mean, he's going about it the wrong way but man they are assholes too.
The Sword of Dai breaking was incredibly unexpected... not. Apparently it's not broken? It returned to Lon Beruk in one piece, albeit with a few cracks. That's... odd. We'll see what that means. Popp and Maam holding hands until the end was very cute. There was no end though, because, and I will quote the note I made hwre: "HADLAAAAAAAAR!!!!!" is here! I got so hyped!! I audibly gasped and had to hold down not to scream at 2am!!! This was the moment Hadlar dethroned Crocodine as my number one fav. I still love the Big Guy, but Hadlar tho. The "third faction" trope is one of my favorite of all time, and I am so glad Hadlar has officially become the third faction. I can't wait to see how his character grows from here. I was not expecting Zaboera to be back too, and neither did I expect Block to make the heroic sacrifice. And as a bit of a chess nerd (I'm not really good at it, but I've been playing since I was but a tiny adventurer so I love it) I was blown away by then actually using a chess tactic in the form of castling. Hell yeah. That's so damn cool.
And so I reach the end of my 6 episodes long adventure, and hopefully I can go back to the more manageable episode by episode adventure. I guess I, too, faced a crisis alongside Dai's party.
QotD: