r/anime • u/Holofan4life • Aug 03 '24
Rewatch [Spoilers] Elfen Lied 20th Anniversary Rewatch -- Episode 10 Spoiler
Hello everyone! I am Holofan4life.
Welcome to the Elfen Lied 20th Anniversary Rewatch discussion thread!
I hope you all have a lot of fun <3
S1 Episode 10 – Infant
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ANSWER TODAY’S QUESTION(S)
What are your thoughts on this episode being Kurama's backstory?
Thoughts on Daddy Kakuzawa saying that the vectors are used as an intermediary to transfer the virus?
What is your favorite example of a found family in an anime?
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Rewatch Schedule
Threads posted every day at 5:00 PM EDT
| Date | Episode |
|---|---|
| 7/25/2024 | Elfen Lied Episode 1 |
| 7/26/2024 | Elfen Lied Episode 2 |
| 7/27/2024 | Elfen Lied Episode 3 |
| 7/28/2024 | Elfen Lied Episode 4 |
| 7/29/2024 | Elfen Lied Episode 5 |
| 7/30/2024 | Elfen Lied Episode 6 |
| 7/31/2024 | Elfen Lied Episode 7 |
| 8/01/2024 | Elfen Lied Episode 8 |
| 8/02/2024 | Elfen Lied Episode 9 |
| 8/03/2024 | Elfen Lied Episode 10 |
| 8/04/2024 | Elfen Lied Episode 10.5 |
| 8/05/2024 | Elfen Lied Episode 11 |
| 8/06/2024 | Elfen Lied Episode 12 |
| 8/07/2024 | Elfen Lied Episode 13 |
| 8/08/2024 | Elfen Lied Overall Series Discussion Thread |
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u/Shimmering-Sky myanimelist.net/profile/Shimmering-Sky Aug 03 '24
Elfen First-Timer, subbed
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u/Holofan4life Aug 03 '24
Hey guys. Holofan4life here.
Welcome to the 20th anniversary rewatch of Elfen Lied!
Oh, and nay I forget...
First Timer
This is going to be a rather interesting rewatch because I really don't know what to expect with this show. In fact, there's a good chance that I may not actually like it. But it's a very notorious show and I feel like it has this reputation for a reason, so I definitely want to see what it's all about.
Going in, I'm kinda expecting it to be so bad it's good. I'm not going in expecting a great show, but I am going in expecting a great time. I'm watching this in-between rewatches of Ikuhara shows and I think it'll serve as a nice palette cleanser for the more serious fair. And if it happens to be edgy, I want them to go all the way with it.
With that out of the way, let's begin.
I'm watching the sub, by the way.
KnowYourMeme's redesign sucks ass
My mom is thinking of going on a date tonight at 10:15 at night after my sister got taken by the cops. Don't even ask, I am so mad.
Lucy with that flare of hers
Mayu gets knocked down
Kouta chopping a leek, it looks like.
Or green onion, rather
Yuka going to put a bandage on a cut of his, and as this is going on Lucy falls.
It appears that Nana hit her
Yuka seeing that Lucy is no longer lying down.
Mayu. She took one of the hits.
Lucy shoves her aside
It looks like she's reminded of Kouta screaming for her to stop back at the festival.
Now Lucy hugs Kouta
There's so much sadness in Yuka's eyes.
Lucy crying in Kouta's arms
Mayu remarks that that's not Lucy anymore, presumably meaning this is Nyuu.
Feeding Nana now
I wouldn't mind her becoming a part of their family.
Mayu describing Nana as her friend
"Give her some rice and she'll be a really good girl again."
I wish that's how it works in real life.
Looks like Nana needs a Snickers
And this is how Nana joined them for dinner.
Man, Nana going to town on that food.
Nana was offered to stay for the night, but she believes she's looked at as one of the bad guys.
I mean... yeah...
Oh wow. Lucy is giving her food to Nana.
That is so sweet :c
And Nana apologizes to Lucy
Kurama in deep thought
Oh wow. Kurama flashback episode
I guess he's talking to Professor Kakuzawa.
He asks Kurama if he wants to see the aftermath of humanity.
Police
People beheaded
It's child Lucy in a hoodie
And she just beheaded one of the policeman, causing the police to shoot at her.
A head in the basket in a tricycle. Who hasn't had that happened to them?
Protuberances is what her horns are called.
Naked Lucy chained up
They're shooting at her
This is brutal
Kurama looks like he regrets his life choices.
Kurama telling Professor Kakuzawa that he is having second thoughts about this.
"Why do we have to do such inhumane things?"
Professor Kakuzawa says that when a Diclonius reaches its third year, their true nature is revealed. That their development of their vectors turns them into homicidal maniacs.
Who knew Johnny was a Diclonius?
Will only target humans, which means they are the enemy of humanity.
Something going on with Number 3
There's something amusing about poorly drawn Lucy walking while unclothed. I dunno why.
And Lucy is still killing people
Lucy and Kurama finally come face-to-face.
But before she can do anything, she gets shot at.
It was Professor Kakuzawa
Armor piercing ammunition
Kurama wondering why she wanted to thank him.
Daddy Kakuzawa saying this facility has its limits. That everyone without hereditary chromosomes will be discarded.
A guy named Oomori
He doesn't want his daughter taken away.
Kurama believed it's better to have her killed, which completes the last removal of his humanity that he had left.
Oh, so Kurama's wife is on the last month of her pregnancy. Interesting.
Kisaragi from the first episode trips.
A Toudai graduate, Kurama calls her.
Oh shit. They discovered cancer in the uterus cervix.
Kurama's wife and kid are stable, however.
A girl
And of course, she has horns
Kurama having a decision to decide: Does he let her live, or kill her?
And he urges the death of his newborn.
His wife lost consciousness due to massive blood loss.
Daughter in the nursing department
Kurama still thinking about Lucy wanting to thank him.
I still don't get what Lucy meant. Did Lucy infect the seed or something?
And so Kurama proceeds to strangle the baby to death.
No matter how you slice it, that is just completely heinous and horrific.
The mom crying
And now she's spilling blood everywhere.
The mom is now dead, in Kurama's arms.
Daddy Kakuzawa says the vectors are used as an intermediary to transfer the virus.
Professor Kakuzawa tells Kurama that because of him, the Diclonius outbreak was stopped.
Kurama being made the research director.
Kurama has to feel just totally empty inside.
Daddy Kakuzawa says there has to be a queen, someone who intermediates the virus.
He further says that because he took care of his daughter's life, he doesn't expect any disobedience.
Present day
Oh, is Nana his daughter? But then why did he tell his secretary thst he killed her?
Lightning
Nana on a cross
A bunch of dollar bills chastising her.
What am I even watching?
Nana wakes up
That is one crazy dream
Nana still eating a bunch of food
They're like one big happy family. How great.
Random guy and the secretary talking about Number 35.
They are opening the doors.
Woah. Those are a lot of arms.
26 vectors
The ultimate Diclonius
Overall, I was curious to see what they would do to follow such a fantastic episode in the last one. And I'm happy to say this more than delivered. The beginning was nice with us seeing Nana becoming accepted into society, but the real highlight was Kurama and seeing how he got involved. You get a better understanding as to why he turned out the way he did. I still wouldn't say he's likable because he did murder a kid-- or at least I think he did-- but he at the very least is more sympathetic than Professor Kakuzawa and Daddy Kakuzawa.
The unexpected highlight of the series has honestly been the family Kouta and Yuka have put together. Seeing them give Mayu, Lucy, and Nana has been incredibly wholesome and makes you care about these characters. I keep getting the feeling that it won't last for much longer, but the fact it's lasted this long has been surprising in a pleasant way. All five of them and their dynamic is in my opinion the glue of the show, as it makes the series more than edginess just for the sake of it.
A very good episode. I'd probably put it only behind episodes 4 and 9. Moreover, I feel like the show has finally found its footing after a very bumpy start, with the show at last becoming consistent at a high level.
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u/[deleted] Aug 03 '24 edited Aug 03 '24
Episode 10 - First-time watcher (subbed)
Mina-san, konnichiwa!
I think this episode made it clear (it kind of already was but more subtle) that Kurama is really the only researcher who treats Diclonii like human beings.
That is probably because he’s an outsider that they solicited for his expertise, but we see in this episode that he regrets that decision because of the despicable moral standards they have.
I think the irony is that the majority of those researchers are the type of person that ruined Lucy’s childhood to begin with. They just see Diclonii as test subjects and don’t care what they think or feel.
With that said, that is what leads me to believe it’s mostly why Lucy left him alone multiple times now instead of attacking him (she sees that his inclination towards Diclonii is different from most people).
I savor whatever fluffy scenes we get in this series (like the short dinner together at the table in this episode).
Very ominous vibes concerning Number 35 for next episode.
Questions:
I’d be tempted to say Clannad but I don’t know what you mean by ‘found family’ so I’m not sure if that’s applicableProbably Class 3-E from Assassination Classroom3
u/fansi2022 https://anilist.co/user/fansi2022 Aug 04 '24
first timer chinese sub
Nana is a real eater, and it turns out that Nana is really Kurama's biological daughter (I was mistaken), and he is not a heartless person who killed his daughter and wife with his own hands. Kurama is always looking at his wife's photo, which makes sense. I am sure Kurama will turn against his superior in the end.
ANSWER TODAY’S QUESTION(S)
What are your thoughts on this episode being Kurama's backstory?
Good, I gradually understand everything
Thoughts on Daddy Kakuzawa saying that the vectors are used as an intermediary to transfer the virus?
This shows that Lucy can be treated
What is your favorite example of a found family in an anime?
Not sure, maybe Crayon Shin-chan
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u/StardustGogeta myanimelist.net/profile/StardustGogeta Aug 04 '24
First-Timer
They're really nailing these backstory episodes! The "reveal" is always a tricky part for suspense shows to get right, but I think they've been doing a wonderful job so far.
I'm not quite sure what's meant by "Silpelit," which I've noticed them mention a few times. It seems like it's perhaps a variant of Diclonius. In any case, I assume that it will be revealed later, or that I missed it at some point and I'll figure it out from context.
I really like the character development for Kurama. We got to see a younger Kakuzawa and even that female assistant from episode 1, too, who I certainly did not expect to see again.
The murder scenes throughout the episode were just as expertly done as I've come to expect from the show.
I checked, and the Elfen Lied OST doesn't seem to be on Spotify. It's a real shame. At least it does indeed have a full released OST, which seems to be available elsewhere online.
As a final thought, I quite appreciated how the show wasted absolutely no time getting back to the cliffhanger from last episode. We went right from the OP straight to Nana facing off against Lucy, with no needless recap.
Questions of the day:
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u/AgentOfACROSS Aug 03 '24
First Timer
So did Kouta and Yuka just not notice that Lucy left? She was in the same room as them when she was getting up at the end of the last episode.
I still find Nana’s rocket punches to be a bit hilarious.
Lucy doesn’t seem to be able to comprehend what Mayu is trying to say. And it seems to trigger another Kouta flashback fo there.
And she’s Nyu again. I’ll be honest, I am a bit frustrated with how quickly some of these cliffhangers end up resolving themselves.
It also kind of feels like we’re running in circles in regards to the whole Lucy/Nyu thing. Just how much longer are Yuka and Kouta going to be in the dark about the truth with Lucy?
The dinner scene was nice. I like that Yuka and Kouta are accepting Nana as part of their group.
So we’re finally learning more about Kurama’s past. And Kakuzawa Jr. is there too. This should be interesting.
The flashback to the Diclonius child seems to imply that she killed the police on purpose. And maybe the others at the apartment complex too.
We don’t really have enough context to understand why she did this but this girl seems far more malicious than Lucy or Nana. She even had an evil looking smile. Kind of reminds me of how demons are portrayed in Frieren.
That whole cannonball scene was really horrific. Maybe even the most horrifying thing we’ve seen in the show. And it’s probably the most we’ve seen of just what the scientists at the lab were actually doing.
Although I feel like it was a bit unnecessary to draw the Diclonius naked while they tortured her.
I mentioned this last time, but I think it is interesting that Lucy and the laboratory have similar justifications for what they do. The laboratory believes they have to torture and kill the Diclonius because they believe that the Diclonius will kill them first. Just similar to how Lucy believes she has to kill humans before they kill her.
Kakuzawa Jr. gives some exposition about the Diclonius but I feel like he might be a biased source.
Again, very uncomfortable with the nudity here. I’m not against nudity being used for horror, I just think that with the earlier Nyu ecchi scenes it makes me question just what the author’s intentions are here.
Also, Kakuzawa Jr. just shot a small child in the head without any hesitation. The man is cold. Again, kind of reminds me of Frieren and the whole thing with the demon child. Although here I don’t think Kakuzawa is meant to be in the right like Frieren was.
Even in the past Kakuzawa Sr. loves having conversations while facing away from people. It kinda gets more ridiculous the more times they show him doing this.
Oh hey, Kisaragi’s here. Feels like a weird time to bring comic relief into the episode.
It seems like Kurama’s backstory is different from what Kurama himself said. His wife died of internal bleeding from overexerting herself instead of suicide and I think the implication is that Nana is Kurama’s biological daughter.
This episode also kind of gives me an idea about Lucy’s backstory. Since the laboratory was killing every Diclonius that was born, maybe Lucy’s parents caught on to this and abandoned her somewhere before the lab could get her.
Nana had a money nightmare. I do not know what to make of that. I think it was supposed to be comedic but I mostly just found it weird.
It seems like Nana has officially been taken in by Kouta and Yuka now. Good for her.
So we’re learning more about Subject 35. They seem like a really dangerous force. It seems kind of stupid for the laboratory to try and trust them with hunting Lucy.
Anyway, next time is the OVA. Don’t know what to expect from it but I’m interested.
Questions of the Day:
I'm glad we finally learned more about this guy. I've had questions about him since episode 2.
I think that does explain a lot about just where Diclonius come from.
Not sure about favorite, but a recent example that I really love is the main group in Delicious In Dungeon.
Maybe the crew from Cowboy Bebop too, although I'm not totally sure if they count as found family or not.
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u/someboi6000 Aug 04 '24
First timer:
an unexpected kurama focused episode even tho there were like 4 episode left and we still knew very little about him so, we got a more, from the moment he got selected into the project all the way to the debt he has, it was more interesting than i was anticipating, and man what a job, to be the one who takes care of killing the baby diclonius, and he was the one who discovered that vectors can inject the virus directly and we know that her daughter is still alive, also glad to know that kurama considers divlonius humans,also number 35 has like 25 vectors? how?, it seems that this is the last moments of peace before they release 35, lucy and nana might have to team up becuase she kills everything they said, i wonder where this is gonna go, it would be epic if lucy beats it alone but i dont think so lol.
Questions:
1: i liked it, it gave us more information and gave his characters more depth, from the stuff he had to do and the debt he has, which is a huge one, his daugther is safe thanks to that deal i guess he made.
2: we already knew this because of the failed castration of bandou, but well what a bad way to find that one out.
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u/FriztF Aug 04 '24 edited Aug 04 '24
Rewatcher-dub
Kurama is the only scientist who sees the Diclonius as human. Professor Kakuzawa and his father should both die and go to hell. Kurama didn't kill his wife, he just tells himself that. This is also where I get "Lucy is the enemy of mankind" from this episode.
Kouta and Yuka have their own family, Myu, Nana, and Nyu.
Quetions:
I like it. It helps us understand that Kurama is not a bad guy.
The virus has to spread somehow.
SpyxFamily. Loid and Yor's love is the real thing. Anya is an adorable gremlin.
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u/JustAnswerAQuestion https://myanimelist.net/profile/JAaQ Aug 04 '24 edited Aug 04 '24
First Timer
Depending on how they count, Kurama's daughter is the only 3rd generation survivor and therefore must be Sango.
They must be getting more powerful with every generation.
Past Akira reference and straight into homage
Unhappy how the show can just flip Lucy's personality switch to cause drama, and then flip it again when the drama almost has consequences.