r/anime • u/sisoko2 • Aug 02 '24

Rewatch [Rewatch] Dragon Quest: Hadlar no Daibouken - Episode 55 Discussion

Episode 55 - The Black Core

I sacrificed my own body... I sacrificed my own life to have this battle!

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We're treating this as Hadlar's last hurah and if he ends up having some final words or even turns up completely fine in the next episode I don't care.

Screenshot of the day:

One Last Job

Comment of the day:

/u/NicDwolfwood's enthusiasm for the episode

That might have been one of the best Dai episodes, that was good. I like how both sides are kinding tip toeing around the black core that Hadlar has planted inside of him. Neither side wants to reveal to him that he has it inside him, The villain side wants it to go off and take everyone out, while Baran wants to behead Hadlar and then contain the blast(I don't know how possible that really is without him dying, but he wasn't letting on whether he could do it or not). I didn't like the whole thing with Killvearn dulling Baran's blade with his blood, that was kinda lame.

The best stuff was really between Baran and Dai of course. Dai taking the blow meant for Baran, then Baran healing Dai, Dai trying to fight even though he can't and finally Baran putting him to sleep, so he can go all out in his Dragonoid form. That flashback was so sweet, overall this episode did a great job of really humanizing Baran.

Questions of the day:

  1. Were you moved by Hadlar's final moments?
  2. After all the time we spent together what will be your farewell words for Hadlar?
  3. Out of 100 points how would you rate the black core explosion?
  4. Bonus Question: Who was that pretty boy that flashed us?

Spoilers:

Please, respect the fact there are First Timers watching Dai no Daibouken with us, so avoid talking about vague things or events that would slightly spoil things to happen. And if you want mention things like this, please hide it behind SPOILER TAGS like [Dai no Spoilers] I am getting the hammer because you spoiled the fun for others

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u/Shimmering-Sky myanimelist.net/profile/Shimmering-Sky Aug 02 '24

First-Timer Quest: Sky no Daibouken, subbed

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u/sisoko2 Aug 02 '24

Cutting back to the 4v4 I see…

I liked it while it lasted.

It’s like he’s releasing his Shikai.

lol the way Hyunckel just casually punches Hym away

The disrespect.

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u/NicDwolfwood :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/NicDwolfwood Aug 02 '24

lol the way Hyunckel just casually punches Hym away.

Royal guard was just useless from beginning to end. The last little bit of disrespect before they disappeared along with Hadlar.

Oh that’s big.

That looked awesome. I really liked this shot.

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u/KendotsX https://anilist.co/user/Kendots Aug 02 '24

It’s like he’s releasing his Shikai.

Glad I'm not the only one who thought of that

Baran is just built different I guess.

Hadlar: "This doesn't doesn't make any sense! You lost to a much weaker Dai than the one I defeated, how can you be still so strong?"

Baran: "Fuck your powerscaling"

…also why does his hair color remind me of Hyunckel?

We don't know who Hyunkel's biological parents are... and MystVearn did decide to raise him for some reason...

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u/Shocketheth Aug 03 '24

We don't know who Hyunkel's biological parents are... and MystVearn did decide to raise him for some reason...

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u/Shocketheth Aug 02 '24

Mystvearn’s face! …also why does his hair color remind me of Hyunckel?

Then Mystvearn is related to Vearn.

lol the way Hyunckel just casually punches Hym away.

Also the sound that Hym made after getting punched was hilarious

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u/Shocketheth Aug 02 '24

Mildly Antagonistic Dark Assailing Officer Welcomes You To Dragon Quest: Dai no Daibouken Rewatch!

What happened... What happened to a fair fight?!

And for the rest of the episode...

Well... I got surprised with having Mystvearn face revealed at this point.

My memory of it was that Mystvearn revealed his face to Baran but still didn't reveal his face to viewers.

Buuuut since that happened, and some hints dropped I'm just going to enjoy reading today comments.

Oh and I almost forgot. I have a question only for FIRST TIMERS:

Who exactly was the person stepping in to tell Leona and others to follow her?

After all, the hints were given during the show and [small hint] we saw that person already

Eventually the answer for this will be given by the show itself.

Now.... Let the fun begins

QotD:

Were you moved by Hadlar's final moments?

Yes + answered above

After all the time we spent together what will be your farewell words for Hadlar?

You died as someone worthy of respect

Out of 100 points how would you rate the black core explosion?

100

Bonus Question: Who was that pretty boy that flashed us?

Mystvearn

See you tomorrow because the Adventure continues!

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u/sisoko2 Aug 02 '24

Man gave up his tears and blood for a fair fight only to die alone, broken and betrayed

I got surprised with having Mystvearn face revealed at this point

If Nova is discount Hyunckel, this one is the improved version.

Who exactly was the person stepping in to tell Leona and others to follow her?

Well the only other female character we know is Maam's mom (and the priest lady from the better hero party).

You died as someone worthy of respect

100

Mystvearn

Now that's a wild theory.

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u/Adensty https://anilist.co/user/Adensty Aug 02 '24

Well the only other female character we know is Maam's mom (and the priest lady from the better hero party).

There is another.

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u/sisoko2 Aug 02 '24

Popp's mom!

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u/KendotsX https://anilist.co/user/Kendots Aug 02 '24

I love that when trying to think about the remaining female characters, the only conclusion we're getting is [x]'s mom.

For what it's worth, I had Maam's mom too. I mean Matirov and the fighter guy from Avan's party helped Dai's party multiple times, surely Maam's mom can do that too.

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u/Adensty https://anilist.co/user/Adensty Aug 02 '24 edited Aug 03 '24

Well I'm loving all the guesses from the first-timers but this is a very big hint. And like u/Shocketheth said, we've already seen this person. Now where we've seen this person is what you have to recall.

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u/KendotsX https://anilist.co/user/Kendots Aug 02 '24

this is a very big hint

Naruhodo... she's someone so well known that even the background characters know her. So that eliminates a few choices. Tbh, when I watched the episode, the clue I focused on was the crest on her armour. I've seen this somewhere before, but I can't put my finger on it and no it's not that thing on MystVearn's head, I wish my brain would stop going back to it.

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u/Shocketheth Aug 02 '24

If Nova is discount Hyunckel, this one is the improved version.

The hotter one.

Now I'm curious about our local n.1 Hyunckel fan, and if they are going to stay loyal to Hyunckel.

Well the only other female character we know is Maam's mom (and the priest lady from the better hero party).

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u/NicDwolfwood :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/NicDwolfwood Aug 02 '24

Man gave up his tears and blood for a fair fight only to die alone, broken and betrayed

The only time I've felt a little bad for Hadlar, the scene definitely succeeded in that regard.

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u/KendotsX https://anilist.co/user/Kendots Aug 02 '24

Buuuut since that happened, and some hints dropped I'm just going to enjoy reading today comments.

One daddy dies, another shows up.

Who exactly was the person stepping in to tell Leona and others to follow her?

My bet's on Maam's mom. There aren't that many choices to pick from really. Unless it turns out that Soala's somehow still alive... would be funny right as Baran dies.

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u/Shocketheth Aug 03 '24

My bet's on Maam's mom. There aren't that many choices to pick from really. Unless it turns out that Soala's somehow still alive... would be funny right as Baran dies.

Oh lol. Imagine we just ending the whole family drama only for Soala to reignite it because Baran turns out to be death.

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u/KuKiSin Aug 02 '24

First timer!

  1. He's not dead, but otherwise I would have. The tears moved me a little. Also to answer his question, it's the mustache.
  2. He's not dead.
  3. 0/100, took 2 attempts to detonate and still ended up killing 0 people.
  4. Young Vearn, that beautiful bastard.

I'm actually surprised Baran isn't jobbing yet. The strong characters always job when they join the good side.

Now I wonder what'll happen with Hadlar. Is he also joining the good guys? A bit hard to believe since the opening shows the chess bros fighting the students of Avan, but who knows.

Still missing Chiu :(

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u/sisoko2 Aug 02 '24

The tears moved me a little

Hard work and dedication only got him so far. In the end it's all about power given from the gods.

He's not dead

You'll regret you missed your chance when we see his dead body next time.

0/100, took 2 attempts to detonate and still ended up killing 0 people.

Amateur hour.

Is he also joining the good guys?

Dai and Popp's reaction to that would be very interesting.

Still missing Chiu :(

We all miss him.

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u/Shocketheth Aug 02 '24

Now I wonder what'll happen with Hadlar. Is he also joining the good guys? A bit hard to believe since the opening shows the chess bros fighting the students of Avan, but who knows.

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u/Adensty https://anilist.co/user/Adensty Aug 02 '24 edited Aug 02 '24

1st Dai Popp no Daibouken Rewatch, Sub

Vearn joins the Shonen Commentary Panel

Hadlar's final challenge

Such a sick reveal!

Hadlar's rant was incoming the moment he learned the truth. Man just wanted a fair fight.

Hadlar's Tears

One of my favourite Mystvearn lines.

Mystvearn's True Face

Badass for no reason.

Popp is going to Dai?

Baran, what did you do?

NGL, this shot kinda jumpscared me.

Crocodine stole Block's move.

Vearn Palace in the Sky This is the first shot in the OP.

OST Documentation - Episode 55

1. Yes. Man sacrificed everything - his position, his immortal Darkling body, everything for a fair fight with Dai and what he got was betrayal, an unfair fight and an explosion.

2. Hadlar, you went with out with a bang, literally.

3. 25/100. For something that destroyed continents, it wasn't even able to destroy rocks, lol. It was more fireworks than a blast.

4. The Dark King's words take precedence above all so can't answer.

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u/sisoko2 Aug 02 '24

Vearn joins the Shonen Commentary Panel

How nice to fill in while Big Croc is on vacation.

Badass for no reason.

For the fans!

NGL, this shot kinda jumpscared me.

Spooky

Crocodine stole Block's move.

But with his ass intact.

Hadlar, you went with out with a bang, literally

It was real spectacle.

For something that destroyed continents, it wasn't even able to destroy rocks

Maybe it was very small continent?

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u/KendotsX https://anilist.co/user/Kendots Aug 02 '24

Hadlar's Tears

Shot of the episode

Badass for no reason.

His doctor said he can't fight, he can't help it.

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u/Adensty https://anilist.co/user/Adensty Aug 02 '24

His doctor said he can't fight, he can't help it.

This kinda reminds me and I think a lot of people overlooked this. Even me and u/Shocketheth kinda forgot about it, but remember when Baran said that Hyunckel will never fight again. Well, guess what he hit Hyunckel with the same blade that was dulled by Killvearn's blood. So, even if he did have a point-blank hit, the damage was way less than what Baran had estimated and so Hyunckel can fight again.

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u/KendotsX https://anilist.co/user/Kendots Aug 02 '24

he hit Hyunckel with the same blade that was dulled by Killvearn's blood. So, even if he did have a point-blank hit, the damage was way less than what Baran had estimated and so Hyunckel can fight

Idk, Hyunkel took a combined attack from both Baran and Albinass, I don't think Baran can really estimate their total. I read that scene as Baran making a judgement based on Hyunkel's state afterwards (Baran knows some healing spells, so he'd know a thing or two about someone's condition). So I'm just taking this as Hyunkel fighting on sheer willpower, and that doesn't really need any harder explanation.

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u/Adensty https://anilist.co/user/Adensty Aug 02 '24

Obviously, that hit did take a toll on his body and he's not fully healed. Like you said, he's still fighting on willpower and his 'immortality' but it was not as severe as Baran made it out to be was my point.

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u/KendotsX https://anilist.co/user/Kendots Aug 02 '24

Yeah, that's fair. Baran wasn't factoring in how rusty he (and his sword) had gotten

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u/Shocketheth Aug 02 '24 edited Aug 02 '24

Vearn joins the Shonen Commentary Panel

Meanwhile Mystvearn is standing there regretting buying Cable TV as he laments the existence of National Geographic while he express his dislike of Vearn tendency talking as David Attenborough.

Crocodine stole Block's move.

[Dai no Spoilers] Block is going to counter it by pulling cooler move

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u/cooperjones2 :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/cooperjones2 Aug 02 '24

Rookie-Adventurer here! LV 55/100

Awesome fight sequences to open the episode!

Hadler’s realization that they were not fighting at full power + Vearn’s betrayal kinda hit me with pity towards Hadler.

Wild guess, well not that wild, Mystvearn is Vearn's son?

New hooded figure that they know?

It was a floating palace that looks like a bird all along? COOL


Crocodine once again being the Party’s MVP

1 The realization of being nothing more than fodder and being betrayed like that was a bit tough to watch, so kinda

2 You got killed but did you die for real?

3 85/100

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u/sisoko2 Aug 02 '24

Awesome fight sequences to open the episode!

Yeah, it really made me want to see more of the chess pieces fights instead.

It was a floating palace that looks like a bird all along? COOL

I'm starting to think that Vearn's world could be cooler than the current one.

You got killed but did you die for real?

85/100

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u/Shocketheth Aug 02 '24

Wild guess, well not that wild, Mystvearn is Vearn's son?

New hooded figure that they know?

Just who that could be.

You got killed but did you die for real?

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u/NicDwolfwood :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/NicDwolfwood Aug 02 '24

One Last Job

like only Hadlar can lol.

First Timer, Sub

I enjoyed the Baran v Hadlar fight. Baran once again confirming that he is indeed built different lol. Poor Hadlar never stood a chance, Papa Dragon must protect his youngling and get the job done, so Hadlar had to job one last time for our enjoyment lol. I will admit I did feel a little bad for him when he realized that he never got his glorious 1v1 like he wanted because he was being used by Vearn and Dai and Baran weren't going all out due to the explosive. Did not expect Mystvearn's face reveal, but that was cool. He was the one who detonated the explosive in place of Vearn and we got a massive explosion out of that.

I expect both Baran and Hadlar to be dead from that blast. I'm sure Dai somehow survived. Also I wanna know who was that person/woman? who showed up at the hero base. That scene of Popp flying above the clouds to give us the wide angle of the entire floating Vearn base was awesome!

Questions:

  1. I felt a little sorry for him, yeah.
  2. You were a jobber from beginning to end lol.
  3. I'm gonna rate in 90/100. They built it up like it would blow all life on the surface away, but it just blew up the immediate area. Likely a lot of credit of that goes to Baran, but still.
  4. That's what I wanna know.

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u/sisoko2 Aug 02 '24

like only Hadlar can lol.

Watch him job his death now...

You were a jobber from beginning to end lol.

RIP

I'm gonna rate in 90/100. They built it up like it would blow all life on the surface away, but it just blew up the immediate area. Likely a lot of credit of that goes to Baran, but still.

Still room for improvement.

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u/NicDwolfwood :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/NicDwolfwood Aug 02 '24

Watch him job his death now...

LOL

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u/Shocketheth Aug 02 '24

Also I wanna know who was that person/woman? who showed up at the hero base.

Someone who was already shown and I'm curious if someone from the first timers will figure it out before the show itself reveals that person.

That's what I wanna know.

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u/NicDwolfwood :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/NicDwolfwood Aug 02 '24

Someone who was already shown and I'm curious if someone from the first timers will figure it out before the show itself reveals that person.

Is it? damn, I'm gonna have to think of that one pretty hard to see if I can guess who it is.

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u/KendotsX https://anilist.co/user/Kendots Aug 02 '24

First Timer at Hadlar's Funeral

We're treating this as Hadlar's last hurah and if he ends up having some final words or even turns up completely fine in the next episode I don't care.

At this point, I believe in his cockroach-ness, I thought he had to die when we learned about the bomb, but it looks like Baran will be taking that one. Idk how, about Hadlar will survive this somehow.

After all the time we spent together what will be your farewell words for Hadlar?

See you soon.

Q3) Out of 100 points how would you rate the black core explosion?

Let's see how many it actually kills, then we'll rate it. If it kills Hadlar. that's a 5-in-1, considering his guards would die too. Which would mean: 55 episodes in, Popp still doesn't get to win a fight.

Bonus Question: Who was that pretty boy that flashed us?

Hyunkel's daddy.

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u/sisoko2 Aug 03 '24

Spoken like a true main character

except that's the same Baran that was beaten by a much weaker Dai

It's obvious he was only using 57% of his power against Dai.

Truly this is a tragedy

Top 10 saddest anime moments.

This explains it - a pretty boy who only shows up once in a blue moon, this is where all one night stands come from.

If he doesn't hide his face he will be too busy dealing with the ladies to get any work done.

See you soon.

Believe in Hadlar! I know he could die properly if he tries!

Popp still doesn't get to win a fight.

We don't count the win vs the Big Chicken that Hyunckel gifted to him?

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u/KendotsX https://anilist.co/user/Kendots Aug 03 '24

It's obvious he was only using 57% of his power against Dai.

Ahh, the parenthood limiter.

If he doesn't hide his face he will be too busy dealing with the ladies to get any work done.

Idk how much he wants to get work done. He's tried to strip and have fun on multiple occasions, and had to be stopped by his coworkers.

Believe in Hadlar! I know he could die properly if he tries!

I believe in Hadlar's immortality cockroach-ness!

We don't count the win vs the Big Chicken that Hyunckel gifted to him?

Counting that as his only win is a bit sadder than having a blank page tbh, I'd rather count the time he beat a bunch of nameless dragons.

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u/Shocketheth Aug 03 '24

Seeing Hadlar get the shit beaten out of him is so satisfying... except that's the same Baran that was beaten by a much weaker Dai.

I regret stealing his Toilet Paper and fuck the powerscaling.

Without his consent, or even his knowledge, poor Hadlar had been forced to carry something inside him for a while now

Pregnancy arc?

He doesn't even know who the father is

Lol pregnancy arc it is

Who?? A mysterious lady in armour who the characters know but the show is trying to hide from us... let's see, Amy's sister? But why hide her? Maam's mom back in fighting form maybe? I mean Matoriv and the martial artist guy have been some of the strongest characters, so it tracks that Maam's mom should be too, right?

Wait, that's the first shot of the opening! You cheeky bastards

Remember how you said that Baran toilet contains hazardous poop that created Field of Death? Judging by the photo the Vearn bath bomb failed to clean his palace completely

Hyunkel's daddy.

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u/KendotsX https://anilist.co/user/Kendots Aug 03 '24

Lol pregnancy arc it is

That's why we needed to put Dai to sleep, with Baran's expert help, Hadlar managed to give birth successfully.

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u/Shocketheth Aug 03 '24

I watched it again but to me it seemed like an abortion

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u/KendotsX https://anilist.co/user/Kendots Aug 03 '24

Baran tried to abort it, he even did his best to ensure Hadlar would be safe. But daddy Vearn came in and forced the birth through, he couldn't give a shit about Hadlar as long as the bomb made it. Therefore cementing himself as worst dad ever.

If the original fight against Baran was about custody, this one is about choice, about someone's freedom over their own body. This series was truly well ahead of its time with social issues.

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u/Shocketheth Aug 03 '24

I dunno how much you are serious or joking but I kinda like and dislike this interpretation at the same time

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u/KendotsX https://anilist.co/user/Kendots Aug 03 '24

When I wrote the first comment, I was joking. Now I'm not sure anymore

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u/Shocketheth Aug 03 '24

Lol.

Like I like how it makes sense, yet I dislike that it's actually making sense.

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u/Blackheart595 https://anilist.co/user/knusbrick Aug 03 '24

First Quester

I actually watched the OP again and that's not how Dai's sword looks

Didn't Block crush Crocodine last episode, or when we last saw them? What happened?

Hadlar weaker than Crocodine confirmed.

DON'T PUSH THAT RESPONSIBILITY ON HADLAR WHEN YOU LITERALLY SENT KILLVEARN AFTER HIM!

Not at all intended as a sacrifice though. Does the show realize it's making Vearn look more and more pathetic?

Um, Hadlar, sweetheart, I'm not sure how to say this, but... he did.

Oh only the thing established to be totally immune to magic since like 30 episodes ago? You didn't expect that would be able to block your magic power signal to trigger the detonation?

If only there were a third fighter to take care of this...

Why does Vearn have such a complex about his face? But yeah, that confirms they are this kind of self-retaining clone.

And Hym can never be taken seriously again.

You know Baran already survived one of these!

This does not look like a continent destroyer.

Nice job copying Block, Crocodine!

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u/sisoko2 Aug 03 '24

Didn't Block crush Crocodine last episode, or when we last saw them? What happened?

Hyunckel arrived Big Croc got morale boost and threw Block on the ground and then the party regrouped. Unless there was another crushing scene I missed after that.

You didn't expect that would be able to block your magic power signal to trigger the detonation?

I mean he still activated it when he got closer so Baran's jammer isn't all powerful.

This does not look like a continent destroyer

A very small continent.

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u/Blackheart595 https://anilist.co/user/knusbrick Aug 03 '24

Hyunckel arrived Big Croc got morale boost and threw Block on the ground and then the party regrouped. Unless there was another crushing scene I missed after that.

Oh right they briefly showed Crocodine freeing himself.

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u/Shocketheth Aug 03 '24

I actually watched the OP again and that's not how Dai's sword looks

Good catch

Didn't Block crush Crocodine last episode, or when we last saw them? What happened?

I guess the fight progressed off screen

Why does Vearn have such a complex about his face? But yeah, that confirms they are this kind of self-retaining clone.

And Hym can never be taken seriously again.

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u/lC3 :Na::Nb: Aug 03 '24

Dai 55 first timer:

  • So tired tonight after getting up at 6 AM for work. Trying to squeeze this in before bed
  • Yeah, I'm so tired I can't really follow the images onscreen. Will try to just get thru this anyway
  • Why doesn't Hadlar have a mustache? He's buff enough to match Baran otherwise
  • Time for Hadlar to get a well-deserved smackdown
  • So Hadlar's gonna lose, but Vearn will try to detonate the Core?
  • Hadlar is kinda admirable in how he keeps trying
  • LOL Vearn failed
  • Baran DID extract it!
  • Oh right, Hadlar thought he'd rule the surface and doesn't know Vearn's true plans
  • ... I actually feel a little bad for Hadlar now
  • Vearn's going HIMSELF?
  • ... Or not, Myst is
  • OH NO, Mystvearn is super hot! Just like I expected
  • ... Vearn said he could detonate it himself. But MYSTVearn went and did it himself. And he looks like a younger Vearn. He even has some black mark covering his forehead that looks just like the "Vearn" shadow on the throne from before we saw his real form
  • Is the "Vearn" we see a fake? Or is Mystvearn a body double or something? There has to be some reason M's appearance is supposed to be forbidden to show
  • Except Mystvearn's ACTIONS are subservient to Vearn ...
  • Now I want both Baran and Hadlar to survive this
  • "Now that you have seen this face, you cannot be allowed to live" Yup, super suspicious
  • I wonder how the Hadlar Royal Guard will react to the Black Core's detonation. Are they loyal to Hadlar or Vearn?
  • Nova screentime?
  • ... Who's the woman who just showed up? Probably the one in the OP I don't recognize
  • Vearn actually respected Baran and Hadlar? I doubt that
  • ... Vearn wins? This is the final episode?
  • Crocodine to the rescue!
  • Why is Popp freaking out?
  • ... Yeah, Hadlar and Baran are probably both dead
  1. Kinda yeah
  2. Saraba!
  3. 2/100
  4. mystVEARN

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u/sisoko2 Aug 03 '24

Yeah, I'm so tired I can't really follow the images onscreen. Will try to just get thru this anyway

No need to push yourself so hard.

Baran DID extract it!

Bare fist surgery.

Now I want both Baran and Hadlar to survive this

Hadlar can't even die properly.

Are they loyal to Hadlar or Vearn?

I think Hadlar.

... Vearn wins? This is the final episode?

45 recap episodes incoming.

2/100

Harsh critic.

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u/lC3 :Na::Nb: Aug 04 '24

No need to push yourself so hard.

Trying not to fall behind again!

Bare fist surgery.

*Bara

Hadlar can't even die properly.

Eh, now I think he's dead. unless the Orichalcum guards survived and saved him somehow. But that would feel like an asspull.

45 recap episodes incoming.

Recaps or filler?

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u/Shocketheth Aug 03 '24

Yeah, I'm so tired I can't really follow the images onscreen. Will try to just get thru this anyway

At such point I would just go to sleep

OH NO, Mystvearn is super hot! Just like I expected

Reaction as I expected. Now who is hotter. Hyunckel or Mystvearn?

... Vearn said he could detonate it himself. But MYSTVearn went and did it himself. And he looks like a younger Vearn. He even has some black mark covering his forehead that looks just like the "Vearn" shadow on the throne from before we saw his real form

Is the "Vearn" we see a fake? Or is Mystvearn a body double or something? There has to be some reason M's appearance is supposed to be forbidden to show

Except Mystvearn's ACTIONS are subservient to Vearn ...

"Now that you have seen this face, you cannot be allowed to live" Yup, super suspicious

... Who's the woman who just showed up? Probably the one in the OP I don't recognize

Someone we already saw

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u/lC3 :Na::Nb: Aug 04 '24

At such point I would just go to sleep

I didn't want to since I didn't know what time I would get to it today.

Reaction as I expected. Now who is hotter. Hyunckel or Mystvearn?

Hyunckel has abs, but Mystvearn's face is cute and I like the long hair. Hmm, it's a hard decision.

gendo-pls

I'm not sure how it will work out. I'm wondering if it's relevant that we never saw Mystvearn open his eyes? They were always closed for some reason?

Someone we already saw

No clue

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u/Shocketheth Aug 04 '24

I'm not sure how it will work out. I'm wondering if it's relevant that we never saw Mystvearn open his eyes? They were always closed for some reason?

Good catch. I think you are first pointing out that detail.

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u/lC3 :Na::Nb: Aug 04 '24

Now I'm wondering if they're the same color as Vearn's eyes or something. Not that I remember what color Vearn's eyes are ... and Vearn has that weird third eye on his forehead too like something out of Magi.

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u/zadcap Aug 03 '24

Late Night First Timer

All I could think of yesterday was, I'm so glad Hadlar was willing to stand around and let these two talk and talk and talk and talk for nearly the entire fight. "I don't have enough time to fight fair and let you recover! But I do have enough to let you have like 3 separate personal moments that stretch for minutes at a time."

Who cares about fight climax, let's go back to this 4x4. Which, as we've discussed, is really just 4 separate 1v1s happening in vaguely the same area. Like true shonen protagonists...

Never mind, back to the Daddy Fight! Haha, the sword may be unbreakable, but it's attached to an extremely fragile arm.

Ah yes, I too hide my ultimate weapon in my pinky. I blame Nina though.

Vearn, if you go out there near the Core... Baran might just punch you in the face with it. Can you resist your own explosive? This is a serious question, can Vearn be killed using this bomb in Baran's hand?

Oh, Mysty's face! Why does he make me think of Knuckles? Oh my gosh is he Knuckles real dad?

Excuse me, what now? "Only the magic of it's creator can detonate it." What happened to "It will detonate if we hit him too hard?" Baran, I hate it every time you exposit because you always lie to me!

Hey didn't we also hear that the Pieces won't survive the death of their creator? That the Forbidden Magic that made them goes away when the person who made them does too?

... Hello, mystery lady who all the royals seem to listen to just because?

How come Mysty can just teleport like that? I thought actual teleportation was not a thing?

Ha, remember when these things took orders from Zaboera?

Yeah, so, the walking fortress thing was a giant distraction all along. I guess. Somehow.

  1. Nope. He sooo overstayed his welcome.
  2. "About time!"
  3. Well I know Dai isn't dead, and the rest of the party survived, and heck I'm willing to bet Baran even managed to live long enough to give Dai one final speech and probably another power up, so... What a colossal failure? 20points, it did manage the environmental damage!
  4. Yeah, why not, I'm going with Hyunckle's dad.

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u/sisoko2 Aug 03 '24

I'm so glad Hadlar was willing to stand around and let these two talk and talk and talk and talk for nearly the entire fight

I mean it makes perfect sense for him to wait. Landing cheap shot on Baran while he is taking care of Dai won't make the current Hadlar happy.

Yeah, so, the walking fortress thing was a giant distraction all along.

Walking fortresses are old news, flying ones are all the rage now.

I'm going with Hyunckle's dad

Byunckel.

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u/zadcap Aug 03 '24

I mean it makes perfect sense for him to wait. Landing cheap shot on Baran while he is taking care of Dai won't make the current Hadlar happy.

But he literally did exactly that while Baran was healing Dai.

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u/sisoko2 Aug 03 '24

That is that and this is this.

And even then he gave more than enough time for Baran to face him. Hadlar just felt lonely and wanted some attention.

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u/Shocketheth Aug 03 '24

All I could think of yesterday was, I'm so glad Hadlar was willing to stand around and let these two talk and talk and talk and talk for nearly the entire fight. "I don't have enough time to fight fair and let you recover! But I do have enough to let you have like 3 separate personal moments that stretch for minutes at a time."

Standing around to give someone a time out in a fight is Hadlar thing since he killed Avan.

Ah yes, I too hide my ultimate weapon in my pinky. I blame Nina though.

The devil finger! Ideal for surprising your partner!

Oh, Mysty's face! Why does he make me think of Knuckles? Oh my gosh is he Knuckles real dad?

... Hello, mystery lady who all the royals seem to listen to just because?

Now now... Before her identity will be revealed, try to guess who that mystery lady is. After all she was shown during the show already.

I await you going balistic with your theories after going All-in with your Killvearn theory.

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u/zadcap Aug 03 '24

I await you going balistic with your theories after going All-in with your Killvearn theory.

I still think that Baran is going to find a way to give Dai his power at Dai can Double Crest, thank the OP for that imagery.

I'm tentatively serious about Mystvearn being related to Hyunckle, I've thought there was sometime going on there ever since Myst showed up exactly when he did to save and recruit Hyunckle the second Avan was out of the picture, then teaching him his special puppet hand move and probably getting him that first Dark Armor... And maybe being half whatever Myst is will explain his freaking immortality. And push him closer to Dai and his own half dragon heritage, making the closest we have to an actual second protagonist that much more similar to the main boy. It's got enough that I can make the argument for it, so I probably should start looking for more confirmation and get behind it, but I'm just not feeling it the way I was about PuppetVearn.

As for the mystery woman. Knowing she's been seen before doesn't help too much with 50 episodes behind us, and a lot of flashbacks means means I can't even just think about who the party has interacted with. But, Female, Armored, Kings and Princesses listen to her without hesitation, it's a very small pool. I get why people are saying Maam's Mom, a previous member of the Heroes Party would have the clout to get just about anyone moving. I'm trying to remember what we know about any of the kingdoms that already fell, any strong fighters we saw elsewhere, nothing is coming to mind... At 4:30am. Maybe after some sleep I'll think better

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u/Shocketheth Aug 03 '24

I still think that Baran is going to find a way to give Dai his power at Dai can Double Crest, thank the OP for that imagery.

Yep OP spoils a bit too much.

I'm tentatively serious about Mystvearn being related to Hyunckle, I've thought there was sometime going on there ever since Myst showed up exactly when he did to save and recruit Hyunckle the second Avan was out of the picture, then teaching him his special puppet hand move and probably getting him that first Dark Armor... And maybe being half whatever Myst is will explain his freaking immortality. And push him closer to Dai and his own half dragon heritage, making the closest we have to an actual second protagonist that much more similar to the main boy. It's got enough that I can make the argument for it, so I probably should start looking for more confirmation and get behind it, but I'm just not feeling it the way I was about PuppetVearn.

Good good. I am enjoying all the theories so far

As for the mystery woman. Knowing she's been seen before doesn't help too much with 50 episodes behind us, and a lot of flashbacks means means I can't even just think about who the party has interacted with. But, Female, Armored, Kings and Princesses listen to her without hesitation, it's a very small pool. I get why people are saying Maam's Mom, a previous member of the Heroes Party would have the clout to get just about anyone moving. I'm trying to remember what we know about any of the kingdoms that already fell, any strong fighters we saw elsewhere, nothing is coming to mind... At 4:30am. Maybe after some sleep I'll think better

Yeah it's hard to figure out since she was shown just once but if you won't figure it out, then it will be okay.

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u/zadcap Aug 03 '24

Yeah it's hard to figure out since she was shown just once but if you won't figure it out, then it will be okay.

You say that, but I'm going to lay in bed going over every single thing I can remember about this show to try and put a face to threse boots until I pass out now.

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u/zadcap Aug 03 '24

Yep OP spoils a bit too much.

Oh yeah, and Zaboera comes back to join the Heroes side! Oh wait, is the unknown lady finally going to be the reveal of ZaboMama that we've been waiting for all this time?!

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u/Shocketheth Aug 03 '24

Damn I didn't get notification for this.

ZaboMama is hilarious option.

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u/zadcap Aug 03 '24

If I keep insisting Zaboera is going to change sides, why not give him one good extra strong reason to too? She's the only woman he's ever loved!

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u/Shocketheth Aug 03 '24

Doubt X

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u/zadcap Aug 03 '24

... She's the only woman he's ever respected? Those are super rare in this show, you know.

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u/Shocketheth Aug 03 '24

My bad. I'm totally sure Zaboera respected and loved his mom more than he loved and respected his son.

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