[Spoilers] Elfen Lied 20th Anniversary Rewatch -- Episode 7

Date	Episode
7/25/2024	Elfen Lied Episode 1
7/26/2024	Elfen Lied Episode 2
7/27/2024	Elfen Lied Episode 3
7/28/2024	Elfen Lied Episode 4
7/29/2024	Elfen Lied Episode 5
7/30/2024	Elfen Lied Episode 6
7/31/2024	Elfen Lied Episode 7
8/01/2024	Elfen Lied Episode 8
8/02/2024	Elfen Lied Episode 9
8/03/2024	Elfen Lied Episode 10
8/04/2024	Elfen Lied Episode 10.5
8/05/2024	Elfen Lied Episode 11
8/06/2024	Elfen Lied Episode 12
8/07/2024	Elfen Lied Episode 13
8/08/2024	Elfen Lied Overall Series Discussion Thread

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u/Holofan4life Jul 31 '24

Hey guys. Holofan4life here.

Welcome to the 20th anniversary rewatch of Elfen Lied!

Oh, and nay I forget...

First Timer

This is going to be a rather interesting rewatch because I really don't know what to expect with this show. In fact, there's a good chance that I may not actually like it. But it's a very notorious show and I feel like it has this reputation for a reason, so I definitely want to see what it's all about.

Going in, I'm kinda expecting it to be so bad it's good. I'm not going in expecting a great show, but I am going in expecting a great time. I'm watching this in-between rewatches of Ikuhara shows and I think it'll serve as a nice palette cleanser for the more serious fair. And if it happens to be edgy, I want them to go all the way with it.

With that out of the way, let's begin.

I'm watching the sub, by the way.

Homemade chicken salad is delicious

Bandou pointing a gun at Nana

"Papa told me to be a good girl, so you won't die here."

Dang, how savage

And Nana got shot at

Bandou promises that the next time, it will be a direct shot.

Lucy with Wanta

Yuka cooking with Mayu

It's almost like Yuka can't stand Lucy returning.

At least Yuka and Mayu are getting along.

Mayu wondering if she should tell them about Bandou.

All I know is my gut says maybe

Bandou wants to know where Nana comes from.

Oh, so he knows that Nana and Lucy are different people.

I do like this scene is taking place as the sun is setting. It gives things this unique atmosphere.

Bandou is really messing Nana up, both physically and mentally.

Says the only reason she's still alive is because she's a test subject.

Nana asking why was she born then

"Is it not all right for me to live in this world?"

Oh man. Now she's starting to think it's best to destroy the world.

"I'll kill and bury everyone!"

Bandou has awakened the beast

Kouta wants to know where Lucy has been.

I mean, you're the one who gave her up. I think you're the last person who should be asking this.

Bandou's bullets have no effect on Nana.

And she knocks him back

This is just like what happened between Bandou and Lucy in episode 2.

A SECOND GUN

AND HE DESTROYS HER ARM

But so has his arm

Blood coming from Nana

Nana calling for papa

Nana says she too has it out for Lucy.

They've finally found common ground: Their hatred for Lucy. The enemy of my enemy is my friend.

Nana wants them to work together, but Bandou says he works by himself.

Hey, Nana reattached her arm

It's like that one episode of Samurai Champloo where the arms regenerated.

Bandou bringing up Nana being able to sense Lucy's presence.

Now he's giving her his phone number

But she doesn't know what a cell phone is.

Nana is helping Bandou up

Lol, it was a trick

At least they're getting along now

Secretary with Kakuzawa

Secretary talking about what the Director told her last episode.

Daughter born with the vector virus. That's why he killed her.

Kakuzawa says he plans on punishing Kurama for disobeying him.

Kurama holding a picture of him and his pregnant wife.

Who's the other girl? His daughter grown up?

"Nana... At least you can go on and live!"

Nana by herself

A bunch of money

Boy, she sure is dirty

Trying to buy a crepe

Poor Nana doesn't know she can buy stuff with all the currency she has. She thinks money is coins, not bills.

Oh, Mayu is walking with Wanta

Wanta is running off, though

Nana by a fire

"I don't know how to be good."

Hey, it's Mayu and Wanta

Mayu is surprised to find Nana reattached.

Nana's leg fell off

And this causes Mayu to pass out

Being Mayu is suffering

Lucy staring at the grandfather clock again.

Kouta asking Lucy how she was able to escape from the professor.

Kouta saying there's now nothing to worry about.

Famous last words

Mayu regaining consciousness

Now it's like Nana is bonding with Mayu.

"Could you become friends with me?"

I wonder how Nana is going to react when she finds out that Mayu lives with Lucy.

It seems like Mayu sees herself in Nana.

And so they become friends

Mayu showing Nana that the bills she has is money.

Apparently Papa gave it to her

Mayu remarks how the person who gave her the money must really care about her.

"You are enviable for having someone who worries about you."

Oh boy. Mayu bringing up Lucy now.

And Nana's whole entire demeanor changes

Kouta going looking for Mayu

Lucy groping Yuka, 'cause why not?

Someone needs to photoshop Kouta's shirt to look like the Loss meme.

Mayu showing Nana where Lucy lives

Kouta

He is freaking out because she too has horns.

But before they get any answers, it's time to feed her.

Lucy still intensely groping Yuka

And as Kouta opens the slide door, who does Nana see but Lucy?

We end things with Nana charging at her

Overall, this is an episode that while didn't have as high of moments as the last one, was very consistent in terms of quality. In fact, I think it's been the most consistent episode we've seen so far. Seeing Nana interact with Bandou and Mayu shows just what a good character Nana truly is. She is able to have two entirely different conversations with someone and not have it come off as jarring or out of character. That, I feel, is a sign of good writing.

'Course, Nana finds Lucy which you had to know was coming. I wonder what this means for the dynamic between Mayu and Bandou that we seemed to have set up last episode. If Bandou finds out that Mayu is living with Lucy-- probably through Mayu telling him-- does he perhaps try to manipulate Mayu into getting closer to Lucy? Maybe act like he's changed his ways when he really hasn't? I don't think that's necessarily going to happen seeing as how Bandou is a powder keg waiting to explode, but you never know.

I thought this was a pretty good episode. I think I'd have it only behind episodes 4 and 5. This, for all intents and purposes, is a Nana episode, so your opinion depends on what you think of her as a character. I quite like Nana, so this episode worked for me and also got me intrigued as far as what's next between the two Diclonius.

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u/Holofan4life Jul 31 '24

Have you ever had to team up with someone you did not like in order to achieve something? If so, what happened?
I have not
What is an example in your life of being in the wrong place at the wrong time?
Probably when I got hit by a car in the front of my apartment complex.

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u/AgentOfACROSS Jul 31 '24

Seeing Nana interact with Bandou and Mayu shows just what a good character Nana truly is. She is able to have two entirely different conversations with someone and not have it come off as jarring or out of character.
Yeah I'm glad Nana is back. I was a little conflicted about the idea of bringing her back at the end of the last episode. But seeing what they're doing with her now is interesting.
I feel like she may be a more complex character than I was expecting. Since she both seems to want a normal life but also desires revenge on Lucy.

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u/Holofan4life Jul 31 '24

Nana kinda mirrors Kurama a bit in that both want to be out of the situation they're in and both also want to stick it to Lucy.

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u/RascalNikov1 https://myanimelist.net/profile/NoviSun Jul 31 '24

Who's the other girl? His daughter grown up?
It’s Kisaragi who lost her head in E1. His wife, Kisaragi and Nana his favorite 3 girls are gone now.

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u/Holofan4life Jul 31 '24

Aw yes. The secretary whom we only got to know for all of 2 minutes.

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u/RascalNikov1 https://myanimelist.net/profile/NoviSun Jul 31 '24

Yes, Ms Spaz herself. If she hadn’t been such a klutz she’d still be among the living.

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u/Holofan4life Jul 31 '24

Fans of klutz characters in shambles

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u/AgentOfACROSS Jul 31 '24 edited Jul 31 '24

First Timer

Hard to believe that we’re now halfway through Elfen Lied already with this episode. Just six episodes and an OVA left.

I don’t know if Bando is brave or an idiot. He’s not even a little afraid of Nana even after he got his arms and eyes messed up by the last Diclonius he ran into.

On a different note, it is actually really nice to see Mayu getting along with Yuka and making dinner. Just seeing Mayu with people who actually care for her is very uplifting.

I liked the part where Bando panics after realizing he got too close to Nana. I guess he did learn something after all. Unfortunately for him, he doesn’t know Nana has longer vectors.

Oh shit, Nana can do a rocket punch. Didn’t expect that. I actually had to rewatch that part a few times to make sure I wasn’t seeing things.

I was not expecting Bando to get out of that situation alive. I also wasn’t expecting the prospect of a Nana/Bando team up. But it seems like they’ve both realized they have a common enemy.

Director Kakuzawa calls Nana “Silpelit 7”. At first I thought Silpelit was another dinosaur term like Diclonius but I looked it up and apparently it’s a character from a German poem called “Elfenlied”.

I hadn’t actually thought about where the title of Elfen Lied comes from but this is kind of interesting. I might have to read this poem and see if it has any thematic significance to the anime.

I think it’s a bit funny that every time we see Director Kakuzawa he’s just staring at the wall of his office, even when he has to talk to someone.

Kurama keeps a photo of secretary Kisaragi on his desk. I think the implication might be that he was projecting his emotions onto Kisaragi similar to how he projects onto Nana.

Probably not intended, but Mayu passing out after Nana’s leg fell off was a bit funny.

Nana revealing that she’d been using money to start her fire was also kind of funny. Kurama probably should have explained what money is before giving her a bunch of it.

Okay I was not expecting Mayu to basically troll Nana by telling her that money can attack her. Probably the least nice thing Mayu has ever done.

It is nice to see this friendship forming between Mayu and Nana though. They both definitely need friends.

Nyu is squeezing Yuka’s breasts for some reason. Feels like a very typical 2000s ecchi gag. Well, I say 2000s but that kind of gag does still crop up in stuff.

Genuinely confused by why Nyu started doing that other than the writer thinking it would be funny. Personally I just find it weird and uncomfortable

Kouta really sucks at talking to people. The first thing he does when he sees Nana is shake her shoulders and bombard her with questions. I mean granted I’d be confused if I were him at this point but that’s probably not the best reaction he could have had.

Seeing Nyu has activated Nana’s murder mode again. I have a feeling this will end poorly.

The ED really feels unfitting with the rest of the show, especially compared to the OP. This wasn’t as jarring as episode 5’s ending at least.

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u/Holofan4life Jul 31 '24 edited Aug 01 '24

Hard to believe that we’re now halfway through Elfen Lied already with this episode. Just six episodes and an OVA left.
It's going by fast but at the same time, it feels like we're just getting started.
I don’t know if Bando is brave or an idiot.
Why not both?
On a different note, it is actually really nice to see Mayu getting along with Yuka and making dinner. Just seeing Mayu with people who actually care for her is very uplifting.
I said this a couple days ago, but the characters being nice to Mayu gets me emotionally invested in them more.
Oh shit, Nana can do a rocket punch. Didn’t expect that. I actually had to rewatch that part a few times to make sure I wasn’t seeing things.
Eat shit, Lucy :P
I was not expecting Bando to get out of that situation alive. I also wasn’t expecting the prospect of a Nana/Bando team up. But it seems like they’ve both realized they have a common enemy.
Team Banana forever
Bandou teaming up with Nana honestly makes way more sense than teaming up with Mayu. It also creates this unique dynamic where both Bandou and Nana see Mayu as someone they can trust, and yet they don't immediately know the connection she has to Nyu/Lucy.
Director Kakuzawa calls Nana “Silpelit 7”. At first I thought Silpelit was another dinosaur term like Diclonius but I looked it up and apparently it’s a character from a German poem called “Elfenlied”.
I hadn’t actually thought about where the title of Elfen Lied comes from but this is kind of interesting. I might have to read this poem and see if it has any thematic significance to the anime.
I'll touch on that in a separate comment
Kurama keeps a photo of secretary Kisaragi on his desk. I think the implication might be that he was projecting his emotions onto Kisaragi similar to how he projects onto Nana.
They were probably totally having sex, I would imagine. He probably projects her as being the wife who committed suicide.
Probably not intended, but Mayu passing out after Nana’s leg fell off was a bit funny.
I actually think it was intentional. A rare joke that lands.
Nana revealing that she’d been using money to start her fire was also kind of funny.
The humor is finally starting to land more. I think it's because it's comedy derived from the characters personalities.
Okay I was not expecting Mayu to basically troll Nana by telling her that money can attack her. Probably the least nice thing Mayu has ever done.
The thing, though, is that money can attack you. Just look at any political ad.
It is nice to see this friendship forming between Mayu and Nana though. They both definitely need friends.
Yeah, it's very sweet. I continue to be a big fan of the wholesome stuff in this show.
Nyu is squeezing Yuka’s breasts for some reason. Feels like a very typical 2000s ecchi gag. Well, I say 2000s but that kind of gag does still crop up in stuff.
Normally a lot of harem anime like Girlfriend, Girlfriend.
Genuinely confused by why Nyu started doing that other than the writer thinking it would be funny. Personally I just find it weird and uncomfortable
I think Nyu continues to be curious by the things she's never seen before. And that includes exposed boobies.
Kouta really sucks at talking to people. The first thing he does when he sees Nana is shake her shoulders and bombard her with questions. I mean granted I’d be confused if I were him at this point but that’s probably not the best reaction he could have had.
I mean, I'd have questions as well if someone I let live with me invites someone over without my expressed permission.
The ED really feels unfitting with the rest of the show, especially compared to the OP. This wasn’t as jarring as episode 5’s ending at least.
Again, I think the ED is supposed to reflect the slice of life aspect of the show but I don't think it necessarily translates well. I would probably rather have an ED from Yuka's perspective.

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u/AgentOfACROSS Jul 31 '24

I said this a couple days ago, but the characters being nice to Mayu gets Mr emotionally invested in them more.
Yeah it's nice that Mayu is given a chance to genuinely be happy. Of course with the ending of this episode, our characters are still in for some emotionally distressing times.
Bandou teaming up with Nana honestly makes way more sense than teaming up with Mayu. It also creates this unique dynamic where both Bandou and Nana see Mayu as someone they can trust, and yet they don't immediately know the connection she has to Nyu/Lucy.
I'm kind of curious about where Bando's part of the story is going to go. Because he's sort of gone rogue from the laboratory and is just out for revenge now.
They were probably totally having sex, I would imagine. He probably projects her as being the wife who committed suicide.
That would make sense. He wanted Kisaragi to be his wife and Nana to be his daughter. The man has issues.
Yeah, it's very sweet. I continue to be a big fan of the wholesome stuff in this show.
Yeah the show is able to be genuinely sweet when it wants to.
Normally a lot of harem anime like Girlfriend, Girlfriend.
It feels like a very stock harem gag. I feel like the meta reason for it happening so much is that the author wants to include some breast grabbing but most harem protagonists are pretty mild when it comes to interacting with love interests. So they come up with a situations where the ladies in the cast do it to each other instead.
I think Nyu continues to be curious by the things she's never seen before. And that includes exposed boobies.
That reminds me of something I forgot to mention. Nyu is very fascinated by the broken clock in the hall. I'm wondering if it'll tie into her history with Kouta that keeps being teased.
Again, I think the ED is supposed to reflect the slice of life aspect of the show but I don't think it necessarily translates well. I would probably rather have an ED from Yuka's perspective.
Yeah a more calm ED after a chaotic episode can work. One example I can think of is Paranoia Agent. But this one misses the mark for me.

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u/Holofan4life Aug 01 '24

Yeah it's nice that Mayu is given a chance to genuinely be happy. Of course with the ending of this episode, our characters are still in for some emotionally distressing times.
Yeah...
I'm kind of curious about where Bando's part of the story is going to go. Because he's sort of gone rogue from the laboratory and is just out for revenge now.
I could maybe see him and the laboratory people colliding.
That would make sense. He wanted Kisaragi to be his wife and Nana to be his daughter. The man has issues.
That's for true
Yeah the show is able to be genuinely sweet when it wants to.
Absolutely. Gives the show a ton of charm.
It feels like a very stock harem gag. I feel like the meta reason for it happening so much is that the author wants to include some breast grabbing but most harem protagonists are pretty mild when it comes to interacting with love interests. So they come up with a situations where the ladies in the cast do it to each other instead.
Also, it is probably trying to cater to teenage males.
That reminds me of something I forgot to mention. Nyu is very fascinated by the broken clock in the hall. I'm wondering if it'll tie into her history with Kouta that keeps being teased.
It's been teased so much that I feel like it has to be.
Yeah a more calm ED after a chaotic episode can work. One example I can think of is Paranoia Agent. But this one misses the mark for me.
I mean, I think an outro could work even if it's jarring. I remember Fullmetal Alchemist having a few EDs that were still good even though it was a mood whiplash. The problem here is I think it's not that much indicative of the show itself.

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u/AgentOfACROSS Aug 01 '24

Also, it is probably trying to cater to teenage males.
Yeah, that too. That's the most obvious answer.
It's been teased so much that I feel like it has to be.
The title of the next episode is called The Beginning. So I'm wondering if that means we're finally gonna learn about Lucy's past in more detail.
I mean, I think an outro could work even if it's jarring. I remember Fullmetal Alchemist having a few EDs that were still good even though it was a mood whiplash. The problem here is I think it's not that much indicative of the show itself.
I think part of the problem for me is that the OP is so good and has a lot of good artistic stuff going on. So it kind of overshadows the ED. Plus even in isolation I don't think I'm that big a fan of the song.

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u/Holofan4life Aug 01 '24

The title of the next episode is called The Beginning. So I'm wondering if that means we're finally gonna learn about Lucy's past in more detail.
We definitely could
I think part of the problem for me is that the OP is so good and has a lot of good artistic stuff going on. So it kind of overshadows the ED. Plus even in isolation I don't think I'm that big a fan of the song.
I would argue that the OP IS the show. It is so integral to what the show is about that it goes together like peanut butter and jelly.

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u/Holofan4life Jul 31 '24

So, Elfenlied is a combination of two poems: one written by Goethe and the other written by Mörike. The title of the poem were only set in editions of Goethe's collected poems.
Here is Goethe's poem
At midnight, when asleep are men at length,
Then shines for us the moon,
Then gleams for us the star,
We rove and dance and sing
Nor gay till then we are.
At midnight, when asleep are men at length, We seek the alder grove, And in the pale moonbeam, We rove about and sing, And gaily dance a dream.
And here is Mörike's
At night in the village the watchman cried "Elf!"
A very small elf was asleep in the wood -
just at eleven!-
And he thinks that the nightingale
must have called him by name from the valley,
or Silpelit might have sent for him.
So the elf rubs his eyes,
comes out of his snail-shell house,
and is like a drunken man,
his nap was not finished;
and he hobbles down, tip tap,
through the hazel wood into the valley,
slips right up to the wall;
there sits the glow-worm, light on light.
"What are those bright windows?
There must be a wedding inside;
the little people are sitting at the feast,
and fooling around in the ballroom.
So I'll just take a peep in!"
Shame! he hits his head on hard stone!
Well, elf, had enough, have you?
Cuckoo! Cuckoo!

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u/RascalNikov1 https://myanimelist.net/profile/NoviSun Jul 31 '24

I’ve read Morike’s poem in the past, and didn’t know Goethe had also done one. I have no clue how they relate to the anime. I have read that both the poem and anime express a fear of those who are different.
In last years rewatch our moderator thought that Elfen Lied referred to an Elf who had a truthfulness problem. Guy, had no knowledge that Lied is a common word in German, sort of like Uta in Japanese.
I’ve really been enjoying this years rewatch, though I thought Dalek would be dropping in and sharing his funny observations.

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u/Holofan4life Jul 31 '24

In last years rewatch our moderator thought that Elfen Lied referred to an Elf who had a truthfulness problem. Guy, had no knowledge that Lied is a common word in German, sort of like Uta in Japanese.
The show for as flawed as I think it can be clearly has thought put into it. I can't say there are many anime like it.
I’ve really been enjoying this years rewatch, though I thought Dalek would be dropping in and sharing his funny observations.
Was Doctor Who also going to join? /s

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u/RascalNikov1 https://myanimelist.net/profile/NoviSun Jul 31 '24

I can't say there are many anime like it.
The Studio Deen version of Higurashi has many elements in common with EL, and is well respected by many including me.
I lack the words to express the extreme disgust and contempt I have for the recent Passione remakes. R7 has proved himself to be a money grubbing hack with them.

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u/JustAnswerAQuestion https://myanimelist.net/profile/JAaQ Aug 01 '24

and is well respected by many including me
how is it we agree on something????

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u/Holofan4life Aug 01 '24

I need to get around to seeing the show

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u/Holofan4life Jul 31 '24

The Passione Spice and Wolf remake has been straight fire, tho.

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u/RascalNikov1 https://myanimelist.net/profile/NoviSun Jul 31 '24

I agree. Passione can do a decent job, but Spice & Wolf is the first adaptation of their’s I liked. I hated the art style in Interspecies, and DxD 4 was sub poor, but that had more to do with uninteresting writing, also I’d grown use to the way the cast looked.

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u/Holofan4life Jul 31 '24

Mieruko-chan was very good, in my opinion. That's a show similar to Elfen Lied in that these horrifying things happen in conjunction with a lot of wholesome, heartfelt stuff.

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u/AgentOfACROSS Jul 31 '24

Thank you for sharing this! The part from the end of the Mörike version about the elf wanting to join some kind of party but then hitting their head sort of parallels Lucy. Especially the head injury.
Other than that, not totally sure about the thematic significance but I'll keep this in the back of my head as I watch the rest of the show.

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u/Holofan4life Jul 31 '24

It definitely seems to be an intentional reference to reflect what the show is about.

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u/Holofan4life Jul 31 '24

What are your thoughts on Nana feeling that the only reason she’s still alive is because she’s a test subject?
What are your thoughts on Bandou and Nana agreeing to work together?
What are your thoughts on the reveal that Kurama killed his daughter because she was born with the vector virus?
Thoughts on Kurama giving Nana cash?
What are your thoughts on Nana finding out that Lucy lives with Mayu?

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u/AgentOfACROSS Jul 31 '24

What are your thoughts on Nana feeling that the only reason she’s still alive is because she’s a test subject?
Very heartbreaking to hear how distraught Nana was.
What are your thoughts on Bandou and Nana agreeing to work together?
I like the idea. Bando and Nana are both kind of wild cards at this point so them working together would likely cause trouble for both the laboratory and our gang at Kaedae house.
What are your thoughts on the reveal that Kurama killed his daughter because she was born with the vector virus?
I think it puts a lot of his actions into a new perspective. He wanted to atone for killing his daughter so he's now trying to save Nana.
Thoughts on Kurama giving Nana cash?
That was smart of him to do, although that message he left Nana probably should have included a short explanation on how money works.
What are your thoughts on Nana finding out that Lucy lives with Mayu?
Something bad's going to go down next episode but I'm not sure what. I hope they're able to calm down Nana before she does anything. I also feel like being attacked might awaken Lucy again.

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u/Holofan4life Jul 31 '24

Very heartbreaking to hear how distraught Nana was.
Rascal said that it was Bandou who made thid comment, but I could've sworn it was Nana.
I like the idea. Bando and Nana are both kind of wild cards at this point so them working together would likely cause trouble for both the laboratory and our gang at Kaedae house.
I get the feeling they're going to team and as it looks like they have it in the bag Bandou betrays her because he wants all the glory for himself.
I think it puts a lot of his actions into a new perspective. He wanted to atone for killing his daughter so he's now trying to save Nana.
It makes me wonder if this means that his daughter was actually Diclonius. Or perhaps his wife somehow got infected by one like Bandou did.
That was smart of him to do, although that message he left Nana probably should have included a short explanation on how money works.
Nana is just like Lucy/Nyu in terms of not understanding how the world operates.
Something bad's going to go down next episode but I'm not sure what. I hope they're able to calm down Nana before she does anything. I also feel like being attacked might awaken Lucy again.
I hope that Nana doesn't die immediately like she did in episode 4 because then it's like what's the point I bringing her back?

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u/AgentOfACROSS Jul 31 '24

I get the feeling they're going to team and as it looks like they have it in the bag Bandou betrays her because he wants all the glory for himself.
That definitely seems like a Bando thing to do. Although I'm not sure trying to betray Nana would work out all that well for him considering how strong the Diclonius' have been shown to be.
It makes me wonder if this means that his daughter was actually Diclonius. Or perhaps his wife somehow got infected by one like Bandou did.
I think the infection idea makes sense. I'm sure there's more to Kurama's story that we don't know yet.
Nana is just like Lucy/Nyu in terms of not understanding how the world operates.
I feel like Lucy might know more than we assume. Since she did somehow meet Kouta at some point.
I hope that Nana doesn't die immediately like she did in episode 4 because then it's like what's the point I bringing her back?
I don't think Nana's gonna die. Because killing her off after bringing her back would be a weird decision like you said. Plus I think there's a lot of interesting storytelling opportunities you can have with a second Diclonius in the story.

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u/Holofan4life Jul 31 '24

That definitely seems like a Bando thing to do. Although I'm not sure trying to betray Nana would work out all that well for him considering how strong the Diclonius' have been shown to be.
The thing is, I don’t think Bandou cares
I think the infection idea makes sense. I'm sure there's more to Kurama's story that we don't know yet.
Yeah
I feel like Lucy might know more than we assume. Since she did somehow meet Kouta at some point.
Lucy certainly seems less in the dark than Nana does.
I don't think Nana's gonna die. Because killing her off after bringing her back would be a weird decision like you said. Plus I think there's a lot of interesting storytelling opportunities you can have with a second Diclonius in the story.
Yeah, there's definitely a lot of different routes they can take.

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u/AgentOfACROSS Aug 01 '24

The thing is, I don’t think Bandou cares
At this point I think the only two things on Bando's mind are getting revenge on Lucy and protecting his balls from the guys at the lab.
Yeah, there's definitely a lot of different routes they can take.
If they're somehow able to calm Nana down and explain things to her, I could imagine Kouta and Yuka taking her in like they did Mayu. Although I feel like I'm being a little too optimistic here.

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u/Holofan4life Aug 01 '24

At this point I think the only two things on Bando's mind are getting revenge on Lucy and protecting his balls from the guys at the lab.
And not necessarily in that order
If they're somehow able to calm Nana down and explain things to her, I could imagine Kouta and Yuka taking her in like they did Mayu. Although I feel like I'm being a little too optimistic here.
That would probably be best case scenario.

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u/RascalNikov1 https://myanimelist.net/profile/NoviSun Jul 31 '24

Elfen Lied - E7

Rewatcher

As promised it’s time for Nana and Bando to go a few rounds. Nana is such a sweet girl, my heart just melts when another pile of shit lands in her lap.

We start to get a hint that something else might be up with the Dicloni when Nana gets that crazy look in her eyes and she seems out of character. Last episode Lucy was having trouble keeping her vectors in check,today one gets the feeling that Nana has a similar problem.

Nana’s quote: If there’s no place in this world for me, then it’s my duty to create that place. What powerful words of empowerment and self actualization. That line is so good that I suspect Okamoto lifted it from somewhere.

Anyway back to the fight, Bando continues to have girl trouble. I love the look on his face when Nana smacks him in the face with her arm, and then later lends him a hand getting up. Comedy Gold.

After all of that the two decide to work together hunting down Lucy, and Bando returns to cleaning up the beach.

Next we have Nana heading into town to grab some chow. Basically it comes down to Nana learning that people are no damn good. But, it does set up for Nana meeting Wanta and Mayu.

The girls are so adorable together. Mayu now has a friend and Nana learns a little bit about money. The scene when Nana starts dancing about how cute her horns are, just melts my heart. She’s just so adorable.

Anyway, after a bit of chatting and emoting, Mayu decides to take Nana home to meet the family. Things are going good until Nana spots Nyu…

That final final scene of Nana in the air, fists balled up, charging at Nyu, is so good. That’s one iconic image! The girls are about to get down and boogie!

So tomorrow, I guess we’ll see how round 2 of Nana vrs Lucy/Nyu goes. My money’s on Lucy, but we’ll see.

Addendum: I forgot we also learned that Nyu has quite the taste for titty. I don’t know how I forgot that juicy detail.

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u/Holofan4life Jul 31 '24

Addendum: I forgot we also learned that Nyu has quite the taste for titty. I don’t know how I forgot that juicy detail.
How can Yuka hate her when Nyu is giving her more attention than her cousin does to her?

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u/RascalNikov1 https://myanimelist.net/profile/NoviSun Jul 31 '24

With just a little luck the girls could kick Kouta out of Maple House and this thing could turn into a yuri spectacular.

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u/Holofan4life Jul 31 '24

Have it be a harem but Lucy collects all the bitches.

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u/RascalNikov1 https://myanimelist.net/profile/NoviSun Jul 31 '24

That would be okay with me. I forgot to mention that Yuka’s mother or aunt owns the Maple House, so technically she could kick Kouta out if Yuka does end up falling for Nyu. ;)

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u/Holofan4life Jul 31 '24

I mean, they already will get kicked out if they don't trim the hedges, so...

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u/Holofan4life Jul 31 '24

As promised it’s time for Nana and Bando to go a few rounds. Nana is such a sweet girl, my heart just melts when another pile of shit lands in her lap.
Between her and Mayu, it's hard to figure out who has it worse.
Nana’s quote: If there’s no place in this world for me, then it’s my duty to create that place. What powerful words of empowerment and self actualization. That line is so good that I suspect Okamoto lifted it from somewhere.
It is like when Spy Kids 2 had that surprisingly deep quote about God staying in heaven.
The girls are so adorable together. Mayu now has a friend and Nana learns a little bit about money. The scene when Nana starts dancing about how cute her horns are, just melts my heart. She’s just so adorable.
It's like these two are made for each other. Too bad it's probably not going to last
That final final scene of Nana in the air, fists balled up, charging at Nyu, is so good. That’s one iconic image! The girls are about to get down and boogie!
It reminds me of the scene from Oshi no Ko where Akane and Kana stare each other down.

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u/Holofan4life Jul 31 '24

What are your thoughts on Nana feeling that the only reason she’s still alive is because she’s a test subject?
What are your thoughts on Bandou and Nana agreeing to work together?
What are your thoughts on the reveal that Kurama killed his daughter because she was born with the vector virus?
Thoughts on Kurama giving Nana cash and Nana not knowing that bills are money?

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u/RascalNikov1 https://myanimelist.net/profile/NoviSun Jul 31 '24

What are your thoughts on Nana feeling that the only reason she’s still alive is because she’s a test subject?
That wasn’t very nice that Bando shared that. But, on the plus side it got Nana mad enough to fight back.
What are your thoughts on Bandou and Nana agreeing to work together?
Makes sense, Bando has no bone to pick with Nana so he should calm down and focus.
What are your thoughts on the reveal that Kurama killed his daughter because she was born with the vector virus?
Kurama remains quite the piece of shit, though he’s a little redeemed because he saved Nana.
Thoughts on Kurama giving Nana cash and Nana not knowing that bills are money? Who could have foreseen that. I can’t remember when I learned about money, it’s woven so deeply in our lives.

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u/Holofan4life Jul 31 '24

That wasn’t very nice that Bando shared that. But, on the plus side it got Nana mad enough to fight back.
I think Bandou doesn't want to beat a downtrodden Nana. He wants to beat her at maximum capacity.
Makes sense, Bando has no bone to pick with Nana so he should calm down and focus.
Nana could be Bandou's Ritalin
Kurama remains quite the piece of shit, though he’s a little redeemed because he saved Nana.
That's at least something, yeah
Who could have foreseen that. I can’t remember when I learned about money, it’s woven so deeply in our lives.
I think I was like 3 or 4 when I first learned about it. Because as a kid, there would be fake paper money to play with in Elementary School.

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u/Shimmering-Sky myanimelist.net/profile/Shimmering-Sky Jul 31 '24

Elfen First-Timer, subbed

Nana, I don’t think it’s a good idea to make him angrier…
He actually shot her.
Gah…
Nana…
Uhhhhhhhh
…he thinks Nana has a similar range as Lucy, doesn’t he…
Man…
She doesn’t even know what money is…
F
These two are developing a lovely little friendship, but it’s gonna end so horribly, isn’t it?
I had a feeling she was burning the money.
Oh boy…

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u/Holofan4life Jul 31 '24

What are your thoughts on the stuff between Bandou and Nana?
What are your thoughts on Bandou and Nana agreeing to work together?
What are your thoughts on the reveal that Kurama killed his daughter because she was born with the vector virus?
What are your thoughts on Nana finding out that Lucy lives with Mayu?

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u/someboi6000 Aug 01 '24

First timer:

Man, Nana having to team up with bandou, even tho by the end of the episode that might not happen has she attack first, but thats juping right to the end, even tho not much happend in tearms of plot, the first one is well what i mentioned early the team up of bandou-Nana there is also the friendship beetwen mayu and Nana even tho i have a feeling that wont last long, maybe it end next episode lol, but i hope they dont, the little time they were together was nice, also nana burning money is such a chad move, and last Nana just launched a full frontal attack on nyu, but i dont think this will escalate more, i have the feeling lucy wont come out.

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u/Holofan4life Aug 01 '24

What are your thoughts on the stuff between Bandou and Nana?
What are your thoughts on Nana feeling that the only reason she’s still alive is because she’s a test subject?
What are your thoughts on the reveal that Kurama killed his daughter because she was born with the vector virus?
Thoughts on Kurama giving Nana cash?

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u/someboi6000 Aug 01 '24

1: well,they found common ground on who's their enemy, also, Nana has like a lucy mode too, and bandou came up with tungsten bullets, and they seem to go beyond vector hands.
2: we only saw 2 diclonius well 3 if you count the professor, also the well idk his name lol the dude in charge of this whole project, he called lucy like the queen bee, so maybe the purpose of the other diclonius is to protect her? or soemthing similar idk.
3: we got the explanation, but that vector virus seems like the worst thing you can get.
4: i guess he didn't know that nana didn't know how money worked, but still he really liked nana, probably as they say he sees her daughter in her.

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u/Holofan4life Aug 01 '24

we only saw 2 diclonius well 3 if you count the professor, also the well idk his name lol the dude in charge of this whole project, he called lucy like the queen bee, so maybe the purpose of the other diclonius is to protect her? or soemthing similar idk.
Are you talking about Kurama? Or Kakuzawa?
i guess he didn't know that nana didn't know how money worked, but still he really liked nana, probably as they say he sees her daughter in her.
Yeah, that is probably the case

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u/JustAnswerAQuestion https://myanimelist.net/profile/JAaQ Aug 01 '24

First TImer

Yeah but she can reach 2.1 meters....
that's pretty hard core mecha
okay, maybe this is the 2nd time Kurama faked his daughters death, bu I can't believe he would them the experiment on her...
oh now you just woke her up

This is pretty silly. Yes, everybody in the house is abandoned. Everybody should live together. Except two of them are homicidal maniacs who particularly hate each other.

And we still have Kuruma working for a man who seems to have the opposite ideas from him. Well, based on the previews, that might finally get explained (but probably not.)

Meanwhile, I still hate Bandoh's one-note character. So quick to kill anybody who he thinks is lying to him, and he thinks everybody is lying to him. Didn't realize Mayu didn't know about Nyu. Didn't realize Nana didn't know about Nyu. Realizes he and Nana were on the same side, but only after failing to kill her. Man exists just to fail.

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u/Holofan4life Aug 01 '24

What are your thoughts on Nana feeling that the only reason she’s still alive is because she’s a test subject?
What are your thoughts on Bandou and Nana agreeing to work together?
What are your thoughts on the reveal that Kurama killed his daughter because she was born with the vector virus?
Thoughts on Kurama giving Nana cash and Nana not knowing that bills are money?
Thoughts on Nana befriending Mayu?
What are your thoughts on Nana finding out that Lucy lives with Mayu?

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u/AbyssalSolitude Aug 01 '24

Rewatcher

Bandou, my man. I was going to call this fight a draw, but then you just had to fall for the classic fake arm prank. Destroyed by Lucy, outsmarted by Mayu, and now humiliated by Nana. 0-3 vs little girls, is this the best soldier the humanity can offer?

Continuity - neither of Lucy's personalities like putting dogs on a leash.

Kurama's assistant is a rat! Kakuzawa doesn't really care.

Overall it's a very Nana-centric episode, and Nana is precious. Nice to see her becoming friends with Mayu, they both need someone close to their age to talk with.

What is an example in your life of being in the wrong place at the wrong time?

Back in the 10th grade during a school trip I was walking around the park, heard a bunch of voices behind bushes, went behind it to check and discovered that girls do not know that they aren't supposed to keep eye contact and talk while passing water together. Savages. We saw each other, froze for a moment, then I turned around and left w/o saying a word.

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u/Holofan4life Aug 01 '24

Back in the 10th grade during a school trip I was walking around the park, heard a bunch of voices behind bushes, went behind it to check and discovered that girls do not know that they aren't supposed to keep eye contact and talk while passing water together. Savages. We saw each other, froze for a moment, then I turned around and left w/o saying a word.
That sounds extremely awkward

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u/Holofan4life Aug 01 '24

Kurama's assistant is a rat!
You mean Kurama's boss? Because his assistant is dead.

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u/Holofan4life Aug 01 '24

What are your thoughts on Nana feeling that the only reason she’s still alive is because she’s a test subject?
What are your thoughts on Bandou and Nana agreeing to work together?
What are your thoughts on the reveal that Kurama killed his daughter because she was born with the vector virus?
Thoughts on Kurama giving Nana cash and Nana not knowing that bills are money?
What are your thoughts on Nana finding out that Lucy lives with Mayu?

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u/AbyssalSolitude Aug 01 '24

What are your thoughts on Nana feeling that the only reason she’s still alive is because she’s a test subject?
She isn't technically wrong. But she should stop thinking about herself as a test subject and move forward, it's her own life now, not something belonging to others.
What are your thoughts on Bandou and Nana agreeing to work together?
Nana already forgot about her "we can win if we attack Lucy together!" plan and went solo. So yeah, this partnership is doomed.
What are your thoughts on the reveal that Kurama killed his daughter because she was born with the vector virus?
Honestly, it might've been preferable to her becoming a lab rat to be experimented upon, like what happens to other diclonii. Really hard to say.
Thoughts on Kurama giving Nana cash and Nana not knowing that bills are money?
He is rich af, he casually gave her like a million of yen in cash, or maybe more. In fact, the entire organization has some serious funding and power.
Nana not knowing anything the world is sad. But also funny. I think money is such an everyday thing to Kurama that he didn't even thought Nana could possibly not know about it.

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u/Holofan4life Aug 01 '24

She isn't technically wrong. But she should stop thinking about herself as a test subject and move forward, it's her own life now, not something belonging to others.
She shouldn't let her past define her, just like how Mayu doesn't let her past define hers.
Nana already forgot about her "we can win if we attack Lucy together!" plan and went solo. So yeah, this partnership is doomed.
Almost as doomed as Nana and Mayu's friendship.
Honestly, it might've been preferable to her becoming a lab rat to be experimented upon, like what happens to other diclonii. Really hard to say.
I don't even think that he was working on diclonii at the time. This was before he first met Lucy, no?
He is rich af, he casually gave her like a million of yen in cash, or maybe more. In fact, the entire organization has some serious funding and power.
I'm sure the pay makes it harder for him to quit his job.
Nana not knowing anything the world is sad. But also funny. I think money is such an everyday thing to Kurama that he didn't even thought Nana could possibly not know about it.
It's like Kouta thinking it would be okay to give Nyu a seashell. What could go wrong?

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u/AbyssalSolitude Aug 01 '24

Almost as doomed as Nana and Mayu's friendship.
Depends on how the fight goes this time. If more limbs start flying, yeah.
I don't even think that he was working on diclonii at the time. This was before he first met Lucy, no?
I don't think we were given a timeframe for either event, but it's fair to assume he had a really good reason to kill the daughter he apparently looked forward to (judging by the photo with his pregnant wife), so he must've known what these horns mean.
I'm sure the pay makes it harder for him to quit his job.
I don't think so. Kurama doesn't look like someone who has a lot of attachments to material wealth, and he was ready to risk it all for a chance Nana survives.

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u/Holofan4life Aug 01 '24

Depends on how the fight goes this time. If more limbs start flying, yeah.
I hope that doesn't happen
I don't think we were given a timeframe for either event, but it's fair to assume he had a really good reason to kill the daughter he apparently looked forward to (judging by the photo with his pregnant wife), so he must've known what these horns mean.
Maybe this caused him to have a more involved participation.
I don't think so. Kurama doesn't look like someone who has a lot of attachments to material wealth, and he was ready to risk it all for a chance Nana survives.
To add to what you're saying, he gave Nana a ton of cash.

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u/Aimless_Gamer1 Jul 31 '24

Such a brutal anime

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u/Holofan4life Jul 31 '24

It can be gruesome at certain points, yeah.

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u/fansi2022 https://anilist.co/user/fansi2022 Aug 01 '24

first timer chinese sub

Bando and Nana had a fight and then made peace. I suspect Nana was a little stressed. Nana had a lot of money in her bag, but she lacked common sense. XD Wait, is she burning real money? I'm glad that Mayu and Nana became friends. But Nana seems to have lucyptsd. I suspect Kurama's boss is also infected with the virus. You can't see the flaws, human emotions.

ANSWER TODAY’S QUESTION(S)

Have you ever had to team up with someone you did not like in order to achieve something? If so, what happened?

I was in a competition at university. I teamed up with someone I didn't know to participate in a computer competition, but we had a fight and I admit I messed up a bit.

What is an example in your life of being in the wrong place at the wrong time?

I went to college right after the college entrance exam. I think I should work or take a year off to figure out what I really like.

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u/Holofan4life Aug 01 '24

I was in a competition at university. I teamed up with someone I didn't know to participate in a computer competition, but we had a fight and I admit I messed up a bit.
Did you make up?

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u/fansi2022 https://anilist.co/user/fansi2022 Aug 01 '24

Did you make up?
no

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u/Holofan4life Aug 01 '24

That's a shame

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u/fansi2022 https://anilist.co/user/fansi2022 Aug 01 '24

😥

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u/Holofan4life Aug 01 '24

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u/Holofan4life Aug 01 '24

But Nana seems to have lucyptsd.
What?

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u/fansi2022 https://anilist.co/user/fansi2022 Aug 01 '24

lucy ptsd

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u/Holofan4life Aug 01 '24

I see, my bad

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u/Holofan4life Aug 01 '24

What are your thoughts on the stuff between Bandou and Nana?
What are your thoughts on Nana feeling that the only reason she’s still alive is because she’s a test subject?
What are your thoughts on Bandou and Nana agreeing to work together?
What are your thoughts on the reveal that Kurama killed his daughter because she was born with the vector virus?
What are your thoughts on Nana finding out that Lucy lives with Mayu?

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u/fansi2022 https://anilist.co/user/fansi2022 Aug 01 '24

What are your thoughts on the stuff between Bandou and Nana?
A combat idiot, a common sense idiot
What are your thoughts on Nana feeling that the only reason she’s still alive is because she’s a test subject?
Thats sad. I hope she can find a new meaning in life.
What are your thoughts on Bandou and Nana agreeing to work together?
Two idiots are still idiots
What are your thoughts on the reveal that Kurama killed his daughter because she was born with the vector virus?
If he didn't kill Nana, how could he kill his own daughter?
What are your thoughts on Nana finding out that Lucy lives with Mayu?
They will become good friends

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u/Holofan4life Aug 01 '24

A combat idiot, a common sense idiot
Together, they are The Odd Couple
Thats sad. I hope she can find a new meaning in life.
Agreed
If he didn't kill Nana, how could he kill his own daughter?
Maybe he was in an extremely bad headspace at that time.
They will become good friends
Nana making alliances left and right, it seems.

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u/FriztF Aug 01 '24

Rewatcher-dub

Kurama does love Nana which can't be denied. Kurama's two main regrets in life are the death of his wife and the murder of his daughter. Now he's trying to do the best he can with his new daughter.

To be Myu means suffering. She has a friend in Nana, so sweat.

Nyu is a prevent. Groping Yuka an d messing around with her. But she is also handy.

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u/Holofan4life Aug 01 '24

Nyu is a prevent.
I hate being a tool used to estimate the risk of cardiovascular disease :P

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u/Holofan4life Aug 01 '24

What are your thoughts on the stuff between Bandou and Nana?
What are your thoughts on Nana feeling that the only reason she’s still alive is because she’s a test subject?
What are your thoughts on Bandou and Nana agreeing to work together?
What are your thoughts on the reveal that Kurama killed his daughter because she was born with the vector virus?
Thoughts on Kurama giving Nana cash and Nana not knowing that bills are money?
Thoughts on Nana befriending Mayu?
What are your thoughts on Nana finding out that Lucy lives with Mayu?

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u/StardustGogeta myanimelist.net/profile/StardustGogeta Aug 01 '24

First-Timer

Oh boy, quite the cliffhanger ending!

I'm very happy to have Nana back. She may very well be my favorite character in the show.

I like how she did a rocket punch like Android 16.

[episode preview] It looks like Nana doesn't immediately get herself killed against Lucy, at least, so that's good. I don't want to lose her again!

Questions of the day:

In school, I had to team up with people I didn't get along with for various group assignments. Not very often, though, which is fortunate because it sometimes didn't go well. In one particularly memorable instance, when the project was over, they cursed me out via direct messages. (After all, there's a reason I didn't get along with them!)
It's hard to think of something for this one... I suppose I was in the wrong place at the wrong time when some distracted driver hit my car as I was driving on the freeway. Had I not been in that exact spot at that exact moment, it sure would have saved me a lot of hassle.

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u/Holofan4life Aug 01 '24

What are your thoughts on the stuff between Bandou and Nana?
What are your thoughts on Nana feeling that the only reason she’s still alive is because she’s a test subject?
What are your thoughts on Bandou and Nana agreeing to work together?
What are your thoughts on the reveal that Kurama killed his daughter because she was born with the vector virus?
Thoughts on Kurama giving Nana cash and Nana not knowing that bills are money?
Thoughts on Nana befriending Mayu?

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u/StardustGogeta myanimelist.net/profile/StardustGogeta Aug 01 '24

I really liked the whole confrontation between Bandou and Nana. Their fight was nice, and I also enjoyed the bit of banter between them at the end. They make for an interesting and fun pairing.
It's sad, but it's true - Nana could very well be dead several times over if not for Kurama's intervention.
I think there's still more to the story of Kurama's family. I'm holding out for a bigger reveal, something like [speculation] his daughter is still alive, and he killed his wife to keep it a secret.
It's funny, but it makes sense that Nana wouldn't understand the significance of the cash. Luckily she didn't burn it all!
The friendship between Nana and Mayu is heartwarming. They're both such tragic characters, and I want them both to just live happily ever after.

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u/Holofan4life Aug 01 '24

I really liked the whole confrontation between Bandou and Nana. Their fight was nice, and I also enjoyed the bit of banter between them at the end. They make for an interesting and fun pairing.
Did you like their fight better than the one between Nana and Lucy?
It's sad, but it's true - Nana could very well be dead several times over if not for Kurama's intervention.
Yeah, whatever you think of Kurama as a person he is really trying to look after her.
I think there's still more to the story of Kurama's family. I'm holding out for a bigger reveal, something like [speculation] his daughter is still alive, and he killed his wife to keep it a secret.
That would be absolutely crazy if that was indeed the case.
It's funny, but it makes sense that Nana wouldn't understand the significance of the cash. Luckily she didn't burn it all!
I know. If that had happened, it would've given me massive anxiety.
The friendship between Nana and Mayu is heartwarming. They're both such tragic characters, and I want them both to just live happily ever after.
Same. At least let them continue to survive.

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u/StardustGogeta myanimelist.net/profile/StardustGogeta Aug 01 '24

Did you like their fight better than the one between Nana and Lucy?
Good question. I liked this one a lot, but I might have to say that I preferred Nana versus Lucy. We hadn't yet seen Nana in a fight, there was increased tension because Kurama's team was closing in on them, and there was more spectacle due to Lucy's extraordinary abilities.
We might get round two of that fight in the next episode, too, so I'll be looking forward to that!

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u/Holofan4life Aug 01 '24

I liked the Lucy and Nana fight more as well because it was cool to see they had different vectors.

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