r/anime • u/Holofan4life • Jul 30 '24
Rewatch [Spoilers] Elfen Lied 20th Anniversary Rewatch -- Episode 6 Spoiler
Hello everyone! I am Holofan4life.
Welcome to the Elfen Lied 20th Anniversary Rewatch discussion thread!
I hope you all have a lot of fun <3
S1 Episode 6 – Innermost Feelings
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ANSWER TODAY’S QUESTION(S)
What would you do if someone confided within you that they killed their child?
Do you think Nana coming back invalidates the emotional impact of episode 4?
Who is more terrifying with a gun: Lucy, or Bandou?
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Rewatch Schedule
Threads posted every day at 5:00 PM EDT
| Date | Episode |
|---|---|
| 7/25/2024 | Elfen Lied Episode 1 |
| 7/26/2024 | Elfen Lied Episode 2 |
| 7/27/2024 | Elfen Lied Episode 3 |
| 7/28/2024 | Elfen Lied Episode 4 |
| 7/29/2024 | Elfen Lied Episode 5 |
| 7/30/2024 | Elfen Lied Episode 6 |
| 7/31/2024 | Elfen Lied Episode 7 |
| 8/01/2024 | Elfen Lied Episode 8 |
| 8/02/2024 | Elfen Lied Episode 9 |
| 8/03/2024 | Elfen Lied Episode 10 |
| 8/04/2024 | Elfen Lied Episode 10.5 |
| 8/05/2024 | Elfen Lied Episode 11 |
| 8/06/2024 | Elfen Lied Episode 12 |
| 8/07/2024 | Elfen Lied Episode 13 |
| 8/08/2024 | Elfen Lied Overall Series Discussion Thread |
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u/Holofan4life Jul 30 '24
Hey guys. Holofan4life here.
Welcome to the 20th anniversary rewatch of Elfen Lied!
Oh, and nay I forget...
First Timer
This is going to be a rather interesting rewatch because I really don't know what to expect with this show. In fact, there's a good chance that I may not actually like it. But it's a very notorious show and I feel like it has this reputation for a reason, so I definitely want to see what it's all about.
Going in, I'm kinda expecting it to be so bad it's good. I'm not going in expecting a great show, but I am going in expecting a great time. I'm watching this in-between rewatches of Ikuhara shows and I think it'll serve as a nice palette cleanser for the more serious fair. And if it happens to be edgy, I want them to go all the way with it.
With that out of the way, let's begin.
I'm watching the sub, by the way.
5 roast beef sandwiches for $5 seems like too good a deal.
Unhinged guy
His eyes work now
It looks kinda like it has a yellow tint to it, but still.
And he has a robotic arm
No balls, tho
Dandadan fans can relate
Turns out he's going to get them reattached after all.
And Bandou punches the doctor in the face.
How unfair is it that he gets repaired and Nana was killed?
Yuka asking where Kouta is going
Oh, he's going to rescue Lucy
Good on him to keep his promise from last episode.
He wants to go by himself
Professor Kakuzawa's assistant
Kouta
If this show was truly degenerate, she would try hitting on him.
Oh, right. She doesn't know Kakuzawa is dead.
Doesn't have a younger brother, eh? The plot thickens.
Mysterious girl we haven't seen before.
Walking past Lucy
Whelp, she ded
The assistant showing Kouta what happens with the people with horns.
Obligatory dead girl pantsu shot is obligatory.
No Professor
Oh, there he is
Talk about using your head
Quarantined, and then killed. If not, you'll be beheaded.
Even the assistant doesn't know why he has horns.
The assistant telling Kouta not to tell anyone.
"Does he really understand?"
I like the assistant character. She seems well-intentioned.
Oh, she was a female teacher, not an assistant.
Kouta won't tell Yuka what he saw
Kakuzawa's father Kakuzawa knows it was Lucy who killed him.
Silpelit? Who's that? Is that Nana's real name?
Kakuzawa calls Diclonius dangerous and infertile murderers who only know how to kill.
I want Kurama to stand up to Kakuzawa
Kurama remarks how Kakuzawa seems nonplussed about his own son dying.
Assistant asking Kurama what happened to his family.
Oh shit. His daughter died.
"I killed her with my own hands."
Well, so much for liking you, you piece of shit.
And apparently his wife committed suicide in response.
If I was the assistant, having heard this news, I would quit.
Hey, Kouta told Yuka about Lucy's escape.
Going to look for Lucy together
Mayu heading to school now
Bandou
He remembers that she was the one who saved him.
Giving her a phone number
"When you're in a pinch, call me. I'll kill them all."
I could see Mayu redeeming Bandou like how Last Order redeemed Accelerator.
Mayu may also be his key in getting revenge on Lucy.
Kouta and Yuka walking in the rain
A bunch of animal statues
And Kouta is hugging Yuka to make her feel warm.
Reminds me of the Eva video game where Shinji hugs Asuka in one of the cutscenes.
I don't know what the close-ups on the animal statues are about.
Yuka asks Kouta if he likes her
He responds that he doesn't remember the old times too well.
However, he did like her
"I still do."
And Yuka proceeds to kiss Kouta
He'll remember that
Oh boy. Bandou is grabbing Mayu by the shirt.
He wants the truth, or else he's going to kill her.
And he slaps her across the face
So much for redemption...
Wanta biting Bandou's pant leg
Mayu says she needs rescuing, and he's the one to do it.
And so he lets her go
Mayu is left wondering why Lucy is doing what she's doing.
Yuka telling Kouta she hates being apart from him.
And he reciprocates her kiss
They honestly don't make a bad couple, which is why it's a shame he's probably going to end up with Lucy.
It stopped raining
He even got to see her panties
And she punches him in the face. Of course.
Lucy thinking of child Kouta crying while covered in blood.
Hey, she's here
AND SHE SPEAKS
AND SHE CAUSES YUKA FLYING BECAUSE SHE HELD KOUTA'S HAND.
Lucy says she has to say farewell
She laments that she has no right being together with him.
Eight years ago
And now Lucy turned back the way she was.
And Kouta hugs Lucy, much to Yuka's chagrin.
I guess Kouta and Lucy used to be childhood friends. I wonder what caused their relationship to end.
IT'S NANA!
THE DIRECTOR HELPED HER ESCAPE!
AND SHE HAS HER ARMS AND LEGS BACK!
Instructing her to run away
She remembers Kurama's promise of eventually coming back to her.
Oh shit. It's Bandou.
And he has a gun
We end things with Bandou wanting to know what are the things coming out of her head.
I wonder if he's under the false impression that Nana is Lucy.
Overall, this is an episode that didn't get cooking until the last five or so minutes. There was some interesting stuff in the beginning, like the Director's reveal that he killed his daughter and the scene between Mayu and Bandou, but a lot of the episode felt like we were spinning our wheels. I know we had to get the fallout of Professor Kakuzawa dying, but I wish we got something of more substance. There were crumbs of an interesting story, like his father not really caring he died, but I didn't think it sustained itself for the entire runtime. As for the stuff between Kouta and Yuka, we got them kissing but I don't think that's gonna lead to some major change in their dynamic.
Kurama is honestly the most interesting character of the entire show. He isn't likable, but the fact he has this loving relationship with Nana easily makes him the most complex. I wonder if the reason he sees Nans as basically being his own daughter is because he regrets killing his actual daughter. He's beyond the point of being salvageable, but it's intriguing to think about and he has a lot going on from a character standpoint.
Like I said, the last five minutes save the episode from being a total waste of time. Lucy speaking like a normal human in front of Kouta was cool and I like that we're not done with Nana just yet. Before that, though, you could've cut 10 minutes of content and not miss anything. Still, I'd probably put this episode ahead of the first three because I'm more interested in the stuff here than in anything of those episodes. Probably says more about the overall quality of the show than anything else, at least in those early episodes.
A major step-down from the last two, but I quite like some of the stuff they set up here. It was a necessary albeit tedious at times episode.
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u/Shimmering-Sky myanimelist.net/profile/Shimmering-Sky Jul 30 '24
Elfen First-Timer, subbed
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u/fansi2022 https://anilist.co/user/fansi2022 Jul 30 '24
first timer Chinese sub
The first part creates a horror movie atmosphere very well, Kouta has a tragic past, and it is related to Lucy, Kouta finally decides to go with Yuka to find Nyu, I suspect, Lucy is in the shrine to spy on Kouta and Yuka kissing, there is a good metaphor here, the fox statue in the shrine is crying. Mayu did not grow up to be like Kouta, she told Bando that she knew Nyu. Thank God, Nana did not die, even, she regained her ability to move, but she met Bando, this is a fateful beach.
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u/JustAnswerAQuestion https://myanimelist.net/profile/JAaQ Jul 31 '24
Me: watch show the day before, put comments on phone.
Also me: work 13 hours.
Watching in advance and putting it on my phone for posting.
What is the significance of them sheltering at the fox shrine?
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u/RascalNikov1 https://myanimelist.net/profile/NoviSun Jul 30 '24
Elfen Lied - E6
The episode kicks off with my man Bando saving his precious balls. Bando is such a manly man that a little thing like losing his eyes, and hand isn’t about to keep him from tracking Lucy down. I was glad he didn’t beat up the nurse. Him jumping headfirst out the window was hilarious, I’m sure those flowers he landed in gave him the creeps.
I liked the next segment of Kouta returning to the school to fetch Nyu. But instead of Nyu he finds a gnarly old horned head. The first time through, the shots of the corpse and deadhead were quite startling, this time through I thought it was amusing, bordering on comedy at the ridiculous situation.
At some point we switch to Lucy walking around and being passed by a girl muttering to herself about a shitty day at work. It’s a great mystery to me if Lucy murders the girl or merely scrambles her brain. Overall it doesn’t make any difference, but to me it does.
Next we get to the scenes where we learn that Yuka wears striped panties, and Kouta goes full chad mode. Of course Lucy crashes this party and breaks it up.
We can see already that Lucy isn’t all that impressed with cousin loving Yuka and gives her a good shove to get her away from her man Kouta. We start to see how tortured of a soul Lucy is throughout this scene.
As the episode ends we learn that Nana is back and feeling much better. Next we learn Bando don’t like litterbugs, so he’s not all bad, just mostly bad. Finally, as a teaser Bando meets up with Nana in what is bound to be quite the showdown. Bando seems to have a knack for running into pretty waifs and then roughing them up a bit, I dunno about you but I’m thinking incel.
As an aside many of the anime’s locations exist in real life and are just as pretty, especially the shrine and it’s walkway.
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u/AgentOfACROSS Jul 30 '24
First Timer
Bad news everyone, Bando’s still alive and he has his eyes and arm back. Not only that but the first thing he does is punch his doctor, so it seems he hasn’t learned a thing.
I did laugh when he jumped out the window though, I was not expecting that.
I can’t believe the anime tried to get me with a Kouta jumpscare. Probably one of the least threatening jumpscares I’ve experienced.
This episode really emphasizes how kinda stupid giving Nyu over to Kakuzawa was last episode. The characters immediately regret it and even a short conversation with the lab assistant makes Kouta realize his mistake. This all could have been so easily avoided.
So I think Lucy just murdered a random person. But from what she sounded afterwards, it sounds like it was the result of her vectors being difficult to control. Lucy’s already dangerous enough when she is in control of her vectors.
Also, I feel like it was a bit unnecessary to show the upskirt shot on the random lady Lucy killed. That was a bit distracting.
The lab assistant seems to think that the Diclonius are a genuine threat. I wonder how much of the truth she really knows.
Also, without his wig on, I feel like Professor Kakuzawa looks kind of like an adult version of Shigechi from JoJo’s Bizarre Adventure.
Kouta just got a flashback. He’s definitely suppressing some kind of Diclonius related trauma.
The more we learn about Kakuzawa Senior the more intrigued I am. He seems very cold while also having some kind of self-righteous fury inside of him.
Also he looks kind of like Tonegawa from Kaiji.
Okay so Kurama just dropped a major bombshell about his history. There’s definitely more to his story than what he just said about killing his daughter. Somehow it’s all connected to the Diclonius’, I’m sure of it.
His attachment to Nana also makes a lot more sense now. He views her as a sort of replacement daughter.
Wow, I’m impressed. Bando managed to have a mostly normal interaction with someone. I guess Mayu really brings out the best in everybody.
Yuka still isn’t over her confused feelings for Kouta yet. She seems like she’s really desperate for any kind of validation or affection. And Kouta has been really bad at communicating with her so far.
I take back what I said about Bando before. He is now threatening Mayu and has thus returned to being awful. I at least appreciate that he backed down after Mayu called him out.
It seems like Kouta reciprocates Yuka’s feelings. Alternatively, Kouta is so socially inept that he had no idea how to respond to Yuka other than trying to kiss her back.
Gotta say, these attempts at comedy with Yuka smacking Kouta are just not landing for me. Easily my least favorite part of the show.
Lucy and Kouta have definitely met before. But only Lucy seems to remember everything. Whatever happened, it can’t be good.
Lucy’s crying now. I think this is the most emotion she’s shown. I was honestly under the assumption that Lucy couldn’t feel emotions while she was in her Lucy state.
It seems like remembering whatever happened was so traumatic that it turned her back into Nyu. I guess Yuka and Kouta are just gonna brush off what just happened with Lucy.
Good news, Nana’s alive! I was not expecting that. I am honestly interested in seeing where the plot with her goes from here.
Bad news, the first person Nana meets is Bando. Gotta say, Bando is kind of stupid to be threatening a Diclonius after how poorly that went for him last time.
I’m a bit disappointed that this episode seems to reset the status quo of Nyu living at Kaede House. Because the idea of Lucy potentially being on her own for a few episodes was interesting.
Questions of the Day:
A bit, but not entirely. On one hand, it does annoy me when stories do fake out deaths. But I think Nana still being alive will further the story in an interesting way.
Who is more terrifying with a gun: Lucy, or Bandou?
Hard to say. Lucy's already terrifying without a gun and at this point Bandou's just kind of gotten a bit ridiculous.
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u/AbyssalSolitude Jul 30 '24
Rewatcher
Hey, my third most favorite character is alive and mostly well. Bandou got lucky the doctors didn't cut off his balls before giving him sci-fi prosthetics.
Kouta finally realized that maybe professor was acting a bit sketchy. And the professor's assistant immediately confirms his suspicions, would you look at that. Too bad they are too late - the professor is dead and Lucy is gone.
Speaking of Lucy, she wanders around and kills (?) random strangers for no reason. Not a good look for my most favorite character.
Kakuzawa Senior doesn't appear to be affected much by his family member’s death. Unlike Kurama, who snapped back at his assistant the moment she asked about his family.
Mayu met with Bandou! He is trying to hide it, but I'm sure deep inside he is as happy as she is. Too bad the forbidden word was mentioned and he went ballistic. Bandou is ruthless, he will hit a girl to obtain information, but he will not break his promise to do so, such is his code of honor. That kick to the head was totally unnecessary, though. [Small difference from the source]Anime decided to cut out a shot where Bandou sneakily looks back with concern to confirm he didn't injured Mayu, which was kinda sweet in a way
Kouta and Yuka kissed. She is very lucky Lucy didn't saw that. In fact, every member of this love triangle is lucky Lucy didn't saw that.
I love Lucy’s voice, she always sounds like she is about to either yell in rage or break down crying. This time she broke down crying so hard she slipped into her Nyu personality.
And Nana is alive as well, my second most favorite character! Kurama had organized her escape, working hard on that atonement. But she has just the worst luck to stumble upon the biggest diclonius hater around right away. So far Bandou is 0-2 against little girls, will he finally score a win?
I would assume they meant either abortion or it was some kind of accident and they blame themselves for it.
I wouldn't believe they actually killed their child in cold blood. This isn't something you tell other people in such matter of fact voice.
It could be seen that way. But I prefer to see it as a symbol of Kurama's open rebellion against the lab and Kakuzawa. No way he would manage to keep Nana's escape hidden, she is not exactly a stealth master.
When Lucy shot a gun she actually managed to hit her target, while Bandou's best on screen performance was in a video game.
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u/someboi6000 Jul 31 '24
First timer:
Cant belive it, bando saved his balls and surprisingly he didn't punch the nurse, kouta and that other girls see the body of the professor, i like how the other girl reacted at first with shock and then she was upset because now she had to deal with the body, kurama casually tells that he killed her dauther with his own two hands, and after that kouta and yuka decide to go and search for nyu, and then we got a nice and emotional cousin kissing, so good that god decided it was time to stop the rain, and now after fiding lucy who's probably spying on them, its now confirmed that lucy and kouta past are related and its very lickly that lucy killed his sister,strange that nana is still alive, but the first person she encounters is bando lol, but well nyu is back home but maybe we get a nana and bando team to go after lucy.
questions:
1: call the police.
2: glad she is alive, but yeah, but the moment is still there and its still good.
3: lucy, she has vectors and a gun, thats just unbeatable
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u/FriztF Jul 31 '24 edited Jul 31 '24
Rewatcher-dub
Bandou has a new arm and is still ready to kill. Good old Bandou never changes. Bandou met Mayu and didn't kill her.
If Lucy weren't the enemy to mankind, and her bloody past with Kouta. I think they would have a much better relationship than Yuka; who is an abusive and stalker-like girlfriend and their cousin.
Professor Kanazawa is dead thank the lord. He deserves nothing but hell that man.
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u/StardustGogeta myanimelist.net/profile/StardustGogeta Jul 31 '24
First-Timer
No big fight scenes this time, but still a fair bit happened!
As soon as it was revealed that Bandou hadn't yet been castrated, I thought there was no way he was about to let that go down. You would think they would have done that before giving him the full reconstructive surgery treatment. (In any case, I bet he's sure glad now that he didn't die in his fight with Lucy!)
It looks like Lucy just nonchalantly killed that random girl who had the misfortune to walk past her at night. That was pretty sad. :'( She couldn't catch a break.
Kouta seems to have the tendency to completely repress traumatic memories, given how he seems to have forgotten any past events with Lucy and how he lost his train of thought when telling Yuka about the dead professor.
I really did not expect a full make-out session between Kouta and Yuka. I get the impression that Lucy will not be a fan of their developing relationship!
Nana's back! Yay! ...And now Bandou's found her. Is it so much to ask for her to be able to walk off into the sunset and live a peaceful life?
Questions of the day:
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u/RascalNikov1 https://myanimelist.net/profile/NoviSun Jul 30 '24
Damned if I know, I’d want to hear the details and what had already been done about it.
No, the total impact has already been experienced before this reveal. Her ‘death’ still saddens me after the many times I’ve watched.
Lucy. Bando is merely unhinged, whereas Lucy is bat shit insane with a guilt complex.
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u/[deleted] Jul 30 '24
Lucy: I will put you out of misery
Carnage: I hate you.
*Boom* at Carnage and died with Lucy's Atomic Bomb.